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United Soviet Jason Republic
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Postby United Soviet Jason Republic » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:44 pm

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Well, the engis are still studying the alloys, not to mention they are still wrecks. Nothing in them will work.

The technology and the weapons( metal) will be salvaged and they will study what they can, but I am thinking at the end of this war that the Engi involved themselves in, the Crazy Horses will be a nomadic warrior civilization( or they may go under another name) that despise the Engi for what they did( they pretty much messed with their history and at the end they pretty much ensure the destruction of the Tribal States.)


True, but if i were the warlord i would ask the Engis what they want. I mean the Engis will still try to untie the tribes, but under a government that they want, and that will support them because they would have liberated the other members of the tribes. Not to mention that the studying will take time, as i have gone through the same process.
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Postby Ralnis » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:54 pm

United Soviet Jason Republic wrote:
Ralnis wrote:The technology and the weapons( metal) will be salvaged and they will study what they can, but I am thinking at the end of this war that the Engi involved themselves in, the Crazy Horses will be a nomadic warrior civilization( or they may go under another name) that despise the Engi for what they did( they pretty much messed with their history and at the end they pretty much ensure the destruction of the Tribal States.)


True, but if i were the warlord i would ask the Engis what they want. I mean the Engis will still try to untie the tribes, but under a government that they want, and that will support them because they would have liberated the other members of the tribes. Not to mention that the studying will take time, as i have gone through the same process.

So become a protectorate( or vassal in this case)under the Engi will actually end the Darth War but will have the Tribal States have a strong resentment against the Engi and will go to war against them later on, but it will be united and they will be matched in tech then thanks to the Engi helping the Tribal States rebuild and flourish, but still keeping their warrior culture.
If this is the case then I will accept these terms.
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Postby Imperialisium » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:11 pm

On the Cloning: Actually the Copy can be patched much like software if you have sufficient technology.

Now I believe Jedi should be able to Clone, However the major drawbacks are:

Spaarti Method: Can make a full grown Clone in a couple months (but they typically are shorter lived do to accelerated cloning) and must be extensively trained to make up for the accelerated...everything.

Kamino Method: Takes about a Decade to get an Army of a few Million Clones and are way better than Spaarti..But then again Jedi would have to wait Ten years in IC unless he made massive breakthroughs.

Standard: Takes a lifetime for the Clone to mature.

When the Empire does cloning we typically use something similar to the Kamino method. But thats a different topic and its rare for clones to be made.

On the Rings: I believe Jedi should have them, after all Vor you have four guns that can be put together from little tiny pieces and be powerful. Why can't he have something small as well? if its very fluff related like I think it is then its probably not going to be mass produced. For example, an Imperial Rosarius can protect a full person, hell can protect a fully armored Legionnaire. However Rosarius are expensive to make and are to few to be used by the Guard (instead those Guard units equipped with shielding have larger equipment mounted on the back).

And being Original? Coming from the guy who largely takes from already established franchises (Mass effect) I believe calling someone out on originality is something along the lines of Hypocrisy.

So I say let him have his Cloning and Masaki Rings, I think Jedi knows that he obviously can't spam Clones and Masaki Rings. Just like all of us don't spam any of our stuff.
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The Fallen Jedi
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Postby The Fallen Jedi » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:15 pm

Imperialisium wrote:On the Cloning: Actually the Copy can be patched much like software if you have sufficient technology.

Now I believe Jedi should be able to Clone, However the major drawbacks are:

Spaarti Method: Can make a full grown Clone in a couple months (but they typically are shorter lived do to accelerated cloning) and must be extensively trained to make up for the accelerated...everything.

Kamino Method: Takes about a Decade to get an Army of a few Million Clones and are way better than Spaarti..But then again Jedi would have to wait Ten years in IC unless he made massive breakthroughs.

Standard: Takes a lifetime for the Clone to mature.

When the Empire does cloning we typically use something similar to the Kamino method. But thats a different topic and its rare for clones to be made.

On the Rings: I believe Jedi should have them, after all Vor you have four guns that can be put together from little tiny pieces and be powerful. Why can't he have something small as well? if its very fluff related like I think it is then its probably not going to be mass produced. For example, an Imperial Rosarius can protect a full person, hell can protect a fully armored Legionnaire. However Rosarius are expensive to make and are to few to be used by the Guard (instead those Guard units equipped with shielding have larger equipment mounted on the back).

And being Original? Coming from the guy who largely takes from already established franchises (Mass effect) I believe calling someone out on originality is something along the lines of Hypocrisy.

So I say let him have his Cloning and Masaki Rings, I think Jedi knows that he obviously can't spam Clones and Masaki Rings. Just like all of us don't spam any of our stuff.


Thank you, and i am aware of not Spamming it, but if a Crisis occurs, can i make my Cloning Process faste- oh wait, i have Droid Foundary's, and i agree with the Masaki Rings, but hey, he does not listen.

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Postby Vortukia » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:15 pm

I'm not giving in to his space magic rings, he doesn't need them.

He can clone but he must follow the Genetic laws.

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Postby The Fallen Jedi » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:16 pm

Vortukia wrote:I'm not giving in to his space magic rings, he doesn't need them.

He can clone but he must follow the Genetic laws.


Thats not fair at all.

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The Orson Empire
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Postby The Orson Empire » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:16 pm

I personally think that no one should be able to use magic. This isn't a Fantasy roleplay.

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Postby The Fallen Jedi » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:17 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:I personally think that no one should be able to use magic. This isn't a Fantasy roleplay.


And this is a Future Rp with no earth...

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Postby Vortukia » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:17 pm

The Fallen Jedi wrote:
Vortukia wrote:I'm not giving in to his space magic rings, he doesn't need them.

He can clone but he must follow the Genetic laws.


Thats not fair at all.

No space magic? It's a FT RP not a Fantasy one.

Genetic Laws? Those are universal laws and one of the sets that can't be bent.
No one likes universal laws, really no one does I feel for you there but we have to follow them.

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Postby The Fallen Jedi » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:18 pm

Vortukia wrote:
The Fallen Jedi wrote:
Thats not fair at all.

No space magic? It's a FT RP not a Fantasy one.

Genetic Laws? Those are universal laws and one of the sets that can't be bent.
No one likes universal laws, really no one does I feel for you there but we have to follow them.


Motherfu-, its not space magic.

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Postby Vortukia » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:18 pm

The Fallen Jedi wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:I personally think that no one should be able to use magic. This isn't a Fantasy roleplay.


And this is a Future Rp with no earth...

My god man have you ever been in a FT RP before?
No one has earth because earth is well...boring and incorporates real nations.

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Postby The Orson Empire » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:19 pm

The Fallen Jedi wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:I personally think that no one should be able to use magic. This isn't a Fantasy roleplay.


And this is a Future Rp with no earth...

....Your point is?

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Postby The Orson Empire » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:19 pm

The Fallen Jedi wrote:
Vortukia wrote:No space magic? It's a FT RP not a Fantasy one.

Genetic Laws? Those are universal laws and one of the sets that can't be bent.
No one likes universal laws, really no one does I feel for you there but we have to follow them.


Motherfu-, its not space magic.

Then what is it? Because it looks like magic to me.

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Postby Vortukia » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:20 pm

The Fallen Jedi wrote:
Vortukia wrote:No space magic? It's a FT RP not a Fantasy one.

Genetic Laws? Those are universal laws and one of the sets that can't be bent.
No one likes universal laws, really no one does I feel for you there but we have to follow them.


Motherfu-, its not space magic.

Your rings are not possible.
The amount of energy you want in your rings could not sustain the powers you want, also how were they created?
Power of the 'live energy' and the stars wont cut it.
Also one ring can't shield an entire body.

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Postby The Fallen Jedi » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:21 pm

Vortukia wrote:
The Fallen Jedi wrote:
Motherfu-, its not space magic.

Your rings are not possible.
The amount of energy you want in your rings could not sustain the powers you want, also how were they created?
Power of the 'live energy' and the stars wont cut it.
Also one ring can't shield an entire body.


Yes, it should, and i told you how they were created.

The Masaki Rings were made by the Trans Necrontyr Species for their founder and forged from the heart of the first star, the Founder wore the ten rings and used them to conquer other worlds and planets. During a feast that The Necron Founder prepared, his son, the future Necron guardian of the 10th temple, retrieved the rings and escaped. After being hunted by The Founder for ages, he arrived at a mysterious planet called Coruscant, and found multiple people who was worthy to wear the rings, the names of these people were not yet revealed, but they were the very first Masaki's. They were saviors of their homeland. The Necron Guardian bestowed upon him the ten rings, as well as the Necron seed. The Necron seed altered Masaki's DNA, making them part Necron and allowed them access to the rings' true power. With This Masaki brothers founded the Masaki Dynasty. They conquered all and he saw with his might and grew their dynasty. However, as They saw their children would not use the rings wisely, They wanted to find someone he could pass his rings down to after Their death. So, they scattered the rings to the far corners of the Dark Jedi Realm and designed tests for a direct descendant in his family, one who would be worthy of their ten rings, to pass in order to prove their worthiness, obtain them, and activate their true powers. As a final measure to make sure only the worthiest of his descendants would find all ten rings, they only told his descendants about five of them. However, The Masaki Founders didn't create a temple for the purple ring. They instead left it active and told his descendants to pass it down to their children when they came of age.

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Postby Vortukia » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:24 pm

Seed of the Necron? Did he fuck them and mutate them? Because that is pretty strange he would need some pretty advanced tech to alter DNA.
Heart of the first star....You can't harvest a stars heart. To hot in there
you can harvest it's mass and all that gives you is well...Mass....
10 rings used to conquer...no ring is that powerful.

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Postby The Fallen Jedi » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:26 pm

Vortukia wrote:Seed of the Necron? Did he fuck them and mutate them? Because that is pretty strange he would need some pretty advanced tech to alter DNA.
Heart of the first star....You can't harvest a stars heart. To hot in there
you can harvest it's mass and all that gives you is well...Mass....
10 rings used to conquer...no ring is that powerful.


:meh:

1. ...."No comment at all"

2. not from the heart first star

3. never harvested the mass

4. With an army behind them, it is possible.

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Postby Ralnis » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:26 pm

The Fallen Jedi wrote:
Vortukia wrote:Your rings are not possible.
The amount of energy you want in your rings could not sustain the powers you want, also how were they created?
Power of the 'live energy' and the stars wont cut it.
Also one ring can't shield an entire body.


Yes, it should, and i told you how they were created.

The Masaki Rings were made by the Trans Necrontyr Species for their founder and forged from the heart of the first star, the Founder wore the ten rings and used them to conquer other worlds and planets. During a feast that The Necron Founder prepared, his son, the future Necron guardian of the 10th temple, retrieved the rings and escaped. After being hunted by The Founder for ages, he arrived at a mysterious planet called Coruscant, and found multiple people who was worthy to wear the rings, the names of these people were not yet revealed, but they were the very first Masaki's. They were saviors of their homeland. The Necron Guardian bestowed upon him the ten rings, as well as the Necron seed. The Necron seed altered Masaki's DNA, making them part Necron and allowed them access to the rings' true power. With This Masaki brothers founded the Masaki Dynasty. They conquered all and he saw with his might and grew their dynasty. However, as They saw their children would not use the rings wisely, They wanted to find someone he could pass his rings down to after Their death. So, they scattered the rings to the far corners of the Dark Jedi Realm and designed tests for a direct descendant in his family, one who would be worthy of their ten rings, to pass in order to prove their worthiness, obtain them, and activate their true powers. As a final measure to make sure only the worthiest of his descendants would find all ten rings, they only told his descendants about five of them. However, The Masaki Founders didn't create a temple for the purple ring. They instead left it active and told his descendants to pass it down to their children when they came of age.

That seems like the Makluan Rings from Ironman.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:27 pm

Please just drop it, Fallen Jedi, I have had enough of these arguments.

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Postby The Fallen Jedi » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:28 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:Please just drop it, Fallen Jedi, I have had enough of these arguments.


I just want the Masaki Rings goddammit.

Ralnis wrote:
The Fallen Jedi wrote:
Yes, it should, and i told you how they were created.

The Masaki Rings were made by the Trans Necrontyr Species for their founder and forged from the heart of the first star, the Founder wore the ten rings and used them to conquer other worlds and planets. During a feast that The Necron Founder prepared, his son, the future Necron guardian of the 10th temple, retrieved the rings and escaped. After being hunted by The Founder for ages, he arrived at a mysterious planet called Coruscant, and found multiple people who was worthy to wear the rings, the names of these people were not yet revealed, but they were the very first Masaki's. They were saviors of their homeland. The Necron Guardian bestowed upon him the ten rings, as well as the Necron seed. The Necron seed altered Masaki's DNA, making them part Necron and allowed them access to the rings' true power. With This Masaki brothers founded the Masaki Dynasty. They conquered all and he saw with his might and grew their dynasty. However, as They saw their children would not use the rings wisely, They wanted to find someone he could pass his rings down to after Their death. So, they scattered the rings to the far corners of the Dark Jedi Realm and designed tests for a direct descendant in his family, one who would be worthy of their ten rings, to pass in order to prove their worthiness, obtain them, and activate their true powers. As a final measure to make sure only the worthiest of his descendants would find all ten rings, they only told his descendants about five of them. However, The Masaki Founders didn't create a temple for the purple ring. They instead left it active and told his descendants to pass it down to their children when they came of age.

That seems like the Makluan Rings from Ironman.


You are right on so many levels.

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Postby Vortukia » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:29 pm

The Fallen Jedi wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Please just drop it, Fallen Jedi, I have had enough of these arguments.


I just want the Masaki Rings goddammit.

Ralnis wrote:That seems like the Makluan Rings from Ironman.


You are right on so many levels.

You are not getting them.

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Postby The Fallen Jedi » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:29 pm

Vortukia wrote:
The Fallen Jedi wrote:
I just want the Masaki Rings goddammit.



You are right on so many levels.

You are not getting them.


Then you can go to hell for all i care.

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Postby Equalsun Empire » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:30 pm

Vortukia wrote:Seed of the Necron? Did he fuck them and mutate them? Because that is pretty strange he would need some pretty advanced tech to alter DNA.
Heart of the first star....You can't harvest a stars heart. To hot in there
you can harvest it's mass and all that gives you is well...Mass....
10 rings used to conquer...no ring is that powerful.

Okay, my two cents:

Advanced tech to alter DNA? We can do that in modern times, for pete's sake!
Very advanced technology!
Nuclear reactions enough to fuel countless planets and the void beyond. Just saying.
They can be if they're, well, powerful enough.

This is just my two cents. Since hades cannons already run on space magic, I can't see why these cannot.
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Postby Vortukia » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:30 pm

The Fallen Jedi wrote:
Vortukia wrote:You are not getting them.


Then you can go to hell for all i care.

Jedi....go calm down.

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Postby The Orson Empire » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:31 pm

The Fallen Jedi wrote:
Vortukia wrote:You are not getting them.


Then you can go to hell for all i care.

Jedi, please stop the flaming.

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