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Ralnis
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Postby Ralnis » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:19 pm

United Soviet Jason Republic wrote:
Ralnis wrote:Ok, I am still not that knowledgeable with the canon you guys have established so give me a benefit of a doubt when it comes to your weaponry and hull.

I was also thinking that the Crazy Horses are known by the Engi and said its time to make a crusade of vengeance against the Engi for what they did, plus I hope some of them will go down and if the Crazy Horses do win this, you may take the rebels as refugees in order to make the plan with the confederation.


Sure, a ship will be put out of action, i guess, and i will take a few to try to make an alliance. Besides for that i plan to arm the rebels, and maybe send in more engi ships.

Also, Vortukia, weren't we going to have a joint research center?

Thanks, it will advance the Crazy Horses' technology just because of the advance technology the Engi have( and the Architect alloy metal on the ship.)
This account must be deleted. The person behind it is a racist, annoying waste of life that must be shunned back to whatever rock he crawled out from.

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Vortukia
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Postby Vortukia » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:19 pm

Vortukia wrote:I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THIS TO REST.
CLONING IS SHIT VERY VERY VEEERY SHIT.

1. When you make a clone it's just that persons DNA, so when you have a problem in the original
it is present in all of the others.
2. That person will be nothing like the original, think about who your cloning real hard. And all the training, events and everything
that have made them who they are are not present in the clone. Memories can not be cloned.
3. When you clone someones DNA you clone their DNA, DNA with years of wear and tear to it. For example if you clone a 50 year old man who will live to 100. That clone will have 50 year old DNA, and live 50 years. But keep in mind you will also when you clone, clone a child. Age speeding up? Guess what even shorter life span.
4. They come out like monkeys with guns, they have no training, no skills you are basically giving babies guns and telling them go shoot things. Sure you can give them training but have you ever tried to train a baby? Not easy.
5. Health Problems, when you clone the person, you do not clone the Immune system, so all those infections you get as a kid builds up your immune system. A clone doesn't get that and is forced with a terrible immune system....

I can go on and on.

So Clones are very very VERY terrible troops.

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Vortukia
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Postby Vortukia » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:19 pm

Ralnis wrote:
United Soviet Jason Republic wrote:
Sure, a ship will be put out of action, i guess, and i will take a few to try to make an alliance. Besides for that i plan to arm the rebels, and maybe send in more engi ships.

Also, Vortukia, weren't we going to have a joint research center?

Thanks, it will advance the Crazy Horses' technology just because of the advance technology the Engi have( and the Architect alloy metal on the ship.)

Engi depends on what you want to.

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The Fallen Jedi
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Postby The Fallen Jedi » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:22 pm

Vortukia wrote:
Vortukia wrote:I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THIS TO REST.
CLONING IS SHIT VERY VERY VEEERY SHIT.

1. When you make a clone it's just that persons DNA, so when you have a problem in the original
it is present in all of the others.
2. That person will be nothing like the original, think about who your cloning real hard. And all the training, events and everything
that have made them who they are are not present in the clone. Memories can not be cloned.
3. When you clone someones DNA you clone their DNA, DNA with years of wear and tear to it. For example if you clone a 50 year old man who will live to 100. That clone will have 50 year old DNA, and live 50 years. But keep in mind you will also when you clone, clone a child. Age speeding up? Guess what even shorter life span.
4. They come out like monkeys with guns, they have no training, no skills you are basically giving babies guns and telling them go shoot things. Sure you can give them training but have you ever tried to train a baby? Not easy.
5. Health Problems, when you clone the person, you do not clone the Immune system, so all those infections you get as a kid builds up your immune system. A clone doesn't get that and is forced with a terrible immune system....

I can go on and on.

So Clones are very very VERY terrible troops.


Thats current cloning, if it exists.

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Vortukia
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Postby Vortukia » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:24 pm

The Fallen Jedi wrote:
Vortukia wrote:


Thats current cloning, if it exists.

It does exist, and I don't know if you are joking.
But that is ALL cloning based on the laws of Genetics.

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The Fallen Jedi
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Postby The Fallen Jedi » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:24 pm

Vortukia wrote:
The Fallen Jedi wrote:
Thats current cloning, if it exists.

It does exist, and I don't know if you are joking.
But that is ALL cloning based on the laws of Genetics.


And it begins....

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Veroxia
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Postby Veroxia » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:25 pm

That civil war was a great idea.
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Vortukia
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Postby Vortukia » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:26 pm

The Fallen Jedi wrote:
Vortukia wrote:It does exist, and I don't know if you are joking.
But that is ALL cloning based on the laws of Genetics.


And it begins....

Because I'm trying to explain to you cloning,
and why it is a terrible Idea so you can work to
make your army better.

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Postby The Fallen Jedi » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:28 pm

Vortukia wrote:
The Fallen Jedi wrote:
And it begins....

Because I'm trying to explain to you cloning,
and why it is a terrible Idea so you can work to
make your army better.


Cloning Experts can make it much more easier, which my Faction is.

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Vortukia
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Postby Vortukia » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:29 pm

The Fallen Jedi wrote:
Vortukia wrote:Because I'm trying to explain to you cloning,
and why it is a terrible Idea so you can work to
make your army better.


Cloning Experts can make it much more easier, which my Faction is.

You may be able to mass clone,
but those things I listed are laws of genetics that can not be bent or broken.
You can clone but be wary of all the problems.

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Ralnis
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Postby Ralnis » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:30 pm

Veroxia wrote:That civil war was a great idea.

Where you talking about the Darth War?
This account must be deleted. The person behind it is a racist, annoying waste of life that must be shunned back to whatever rock he crawled out from.

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The Fallen Jedi
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Postby The Fallen Jedi » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:30 pm

Vortukia wrote:
The Fallen Jedi wrote:
Cloning Experts can make it much more easier, which my Faction is.

You may be able to mass clone,
but those things I listed are laws of genetics that can not be bent or broken.
You can clone but be wary of all the problems.


This is fucked up, i'm using all Star Wars Cloning Setup, and Cloning a Force Sensetive, they will have memory flashes.

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Vortukia
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Postby Vortukia » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:32 pm

The Fallen Jedi wrote:
Vortukia wrote:You may be able to mass clone,
but those things I listed are laws of genetics that can not be bent or broken.
You can clone but be wary of all the problems.


This is fucked up, i'm using all Star Wars Cloning Setup, and Cloning a Force Sensetive, they will have memory flashes.

Memory flashes are impossible, as you can not clone memories, you can store them in data in theory.
But you can never inject that data into a living person .
Just because you are trying to make yourself just like star wars doesnt mean you can.
Be Original.

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The Fallen Jedi
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Postby The Fallen Jedi » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:32 pm

Vortukia wrote:
The Fallen Jedi wrote:
This is fucked up, i'm using all Star Wars Cloning Setup, and Cloning a Force Sensetive, they will have memory flashes.

Memory flashes are impossible, as you can not clone memories, you can store them in data in theory.
But you can never inject that data into a living person .
Just because you are trying to make yourself just like star wars doesnt mean you can.
Be Original.


And that is my version of being original...

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United Soviet Jason Republic
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Postby United Soviet Jason Republic » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:34 pm

Ralnis wrote:
United Soviet Jason Republic wrote:
Sure, a ship will be put out of action, i guess, and i will take a few to try to make an alliance. Besides for that i plan to arm the rebels, and maybe send in more engi ships.

Also, Vortukia, weren't we going to have a joint research center?

Thanks, it will advance the Crazy Horses' technology just because of the advance technology the Engi have( and the Architect alloy metal on the ship.)


Well, the engis are still studying the alloys, not to mention they are still wrecks. Nothing in them will work.
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Vortukia
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Postby Vortukia » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:34 pm

The Fallen Jedi wrote:
Vortukia wrote:Memory flashes are impossible, as you can not clone memories, you can store them in data in theory.
But you can never inject that data into a living person .
Just because you are trying to make yourself just like star wars doesnt mean you can.
Be Original.


And that is my version of being original...

Well you have to follow genetic laws.

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The Fallen Jedi
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Postby The Fallen Jedi » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:35 pm

Vortukia wrote:
The Fallen Jedi wrote:
And that is my version of being original...

Well you have to follow genetic laws.


Which do not apply in the Future..

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Vortukia
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Postby Vortukia » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:37 pm

The Fallen Jedi wrote:
Vortukia wrote:Well you have to follow genetic laws.


Which do not apply in the Future..

:palm:
They're genetic laws they would apply at all times, they are just like the laws of physics,
just the genetic laws can not be bent.

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Postby The Fallen Jedi » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:38 pm

Vortukia wrote:
The Fallen Jedi wrote:
Which do not apply in the Future..

:palm:
They're genetic laws they would apply at all times, they are just like the laws of physics,
just the genetic laws can not be bent.


Now this time, my Logic is greater than yours, the Genetic Laws are broken when Cloning takes place you daft fool.

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Vortukia
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Postby Vortukia » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:39 pm

The Fallen Jedi wrote:
Vortukia wrote: :palm:
They're genetic laws they would apply at all times, they are just like the laws of physics,
just the genetic laws can not be bent.


Now this time, my Logic is greater than yours, the Genetic Laws are broken when Cloning takes place you daft fool.

No this time your Logic is even worse than before, you can't break Genetic laws, I think you need to go to high school, At the very least.

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United Soviet Jason Republic
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Postby United Soviet Jason Republic » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:41 pm

Vortukia wrote:
The Fallen Jedi wrote:
Which do not apply in the Future..

:palm:
They're genetic laws they would apply at all times, they are just like the laws of physics,
just the genetic laws can not be bent.


Well, if one was to alter the proteins that prevent the ends of DNA from becoming smaller, the age won't matter. Not to mention the proteins that prevent the DNA from replicating after a certain number of divisions. I don't now the number of how many divisions, but yes, our cells have death programmed in them.
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Ralnis
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Postby Ralnis » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:41 pm

United Soviet Jason Republic wrote:
Ralnis wrote:Thanks, it will advance the Crazy Horses' technology just because of the advance technology the Engi have( and the Architect alloy metal on the ship.)


Well, the engis are still studying the alloys, not to mention they are still wrecks. Nothing in them will work.

The technology and the weapons( metal) will be salvaged and they will study what they can, but I am thinking at the end of this war that the Engi involved themselves in, the Crazy Horses will be a nomadic warrior civilization( or they may go under another name) that despise the Engi for what they did( they pretty much messed with their history and at the end they pretty much ensure the destruction of the Tribal States.)
This account must be deleted. The person behind it is a racist, annoying waste of life that must be shunned back to whatever rock he crawled out from.

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The Fallen Jedi
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Postby The Fallen Jedi » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:42 pm

Vortukia wrote:
The Fallen Jedi wrote:
Now this time, my Logic is greater than yours, the Genetic Laws are broken when Cloning takes place you daft fool.

No this time your Logic is even worse than before, you can't break Genetic laws, I think you need to go to high school, At the very least.


When it comes to Sci-Fi movies, your logic is completely off, i suggest you take a break from Military... Whoops, i always have a loose mouth when i'm angry.... :twisted:

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The Orson Empire
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Postby The Orson Empire » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:42 pm

Enough with the flaming, please.
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Vortukia
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Postby Vortukia » Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:42 pm

United Soviet Jason Republic wrote:
Vortukia wrote: :palm:
They're genetic laws they would apply at all times, they are just like the laws of physics,
just the genetic laws can not be bent.


Well, if one was to alter the proteins that prevent the ends of DNA from becoming smaller, the age won't matter. Not to mention the proteins that prevent the DNA from replicating after a certain number of divisions. I don't now the number of how many divisions, but yes, our cells have death programmed in them.

Scientists have looked into what you are suggesting, it has been proposed but all it will do is corrupt the DNA and accelerate it.

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