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[United States of Devonta]

Can I join,despite being Communist (technically),as I am Democratic and Anti-Fascist and such? My ideology is with the freedom and equality of Lenin,combined with the Glasnost,Perestroika,and Democratic Socialism of Gorbachev.So,can I?

Poor RP records and that your civil rights and political freedom ratings are very below our standards, no

Seconded.

[Transoxthraxia]

I was under the impression that this is a defensive alliance, actually. Perhaps you think the idea of safeguarding democracy is to forcefully suppress other political beliefs, but I don't. I see no threat to the integrity of any present Western Coalition member, so there is no direct threat, is there? Of course, the xenophobic reactionism within one's self immediately hears the word "facism" and rushes to "defend" the country oppressed by it. Yet you get all offended when someone speaks out against a hard-left alliance. Interesting, indeed.

Hard left? A Fascist is a Fascist no doubt about it. Remember Muzz(Might of been Gib) told us the already started killing there own people. Not acceptable to any WC nation to do. It is i the WC sphere of influence. On the "all offended" part. He said left leaning so I thought he meant normal Liberals, Then when I figured out it was hard leaning commies I said this... Oh yes please don't get offended over the slightest things and drop the "Interesting" thing.

Okay. Sorry about the misunderstanding we need to keep an eye on all commies and fascist.

Firstly, don't dodge my defensive point.

Predjudice against one political ideology because of past nations under the guise of the same name is a piss-poor way to judge a nation or an ideology. And while I certainly do agree that killing your own civilians is completely unwarranted (OOCly), a brief glimpse at the Aftermath of the August 21st Coup in Transoxthraxia (Which I don't actually have in my factbook yet.) would tell you that Transoxthraxia's national character supports the killing of civilians that may be hostile to the regime, especially if the regime is set out to create the best possible scenario for the majority of the people within the nation.

In the sphere of influence? I wasn't aware that a loose alliance of defensive states had a sphere of influence outside of the nations within alliance. You're sounding more and more imperialistic, Devonta. Also, don't tell me what I can and can't say. I do, however, concede to your point on the leftist alliance, however. I missed that post.

[United States of Devonta]

Hard left? A Fascist is a Fascist no doubt about it. Remember Muzz(Might of been Gib) told us the already started killing there own people. Not acceptable to any WC nation to do. It is i the WC sphere of influence. On the "all offended" part. He said left leaning so I thought he meant normal Liberals, Then when I figured out it was hard leaning commies I said this... Oh yes please don't get offended over the slightest things and drop the "Interesting" thing.

Firstly, don't dodge my defensive point.

Predjudice against one political ideology because of past nations under the guise of the same name is a piss-poor way to judge a nation or an ideology. And while I certainly do agree that killing your own civilians is completely unwarranted (OOCly), a brief glimpse at the Aftermath of the August 21st Coup in Transoxthraxia (Which I don't actually have in my factbook yet.) would tell you that Transoxthraxia's national character supports the killing of civilians that may be hostile to the regime, especially if the regime is set out to create the best possible scenario for the majority of the people within the nation.

In the sphere of influence? I wasn't aware that a loose alliance of defensive states had a sphere of influence outside of the nations within alliance. You're sounding more and more imperialistic, Devonta. Also, don't tell me what I can and can't say. I do, however, concede to your point on the leftist alliance, however. I missed that post.

So know your calling me an imperialist? Or at least said I heading in that direction. How does "sphere of influence" turn into imperialism?(I guess it can see Crimea and Putin). I think a nation in the WC should be protected by such human rights abuses as killing of its own people. We are suppose to fight for democracy and when one of our own is violating that right we need to intervene. "loose alliance" I would not call us a "loose alliance" we are very united. We voted 9-1-1 to intervene in some way. I think if your nation warrants the killing of citizens(Don't know if you still do) you should not be in coalitions like the WC.

As to the drop it comment. Sorry. But understand it does rub off on people and not just that it was a arrogant remark that ended up being wrong.

[Transoxthraxia]

Firstly, don't dodge my defensive point.

Predjudice against one political ideology because of past nations under the guise of the same name is a piss-poor way to judge a nation or an ideology. And while I certainly do agree that killing your own civilians is completely unwarranted (OOCly), a brief glimpse at the Aftermath of the August 21st Coup in Transoxthraxia (Which I don't actually have in my factbook yet.) would tell you that Transoxthraxia's national character supports the killing of civilians that may be hostile to the regime, especially if the regime is set out to create the best possible scenario for the majority of the people within the nation.

In the sphere of influence? I wasn't aware that a loose alliance of defensive states had a sphere of influence outside of the nations within alliance. You're sounding more and more imperialistic, Devonta. Also, don't tell me what I can and can't say. I do, however, concede to your point on the leftist alliance, however. I missed that post.

So know your calling me an imperialist? Or at least said I heading in that direction. How does "sphere of influence" turn into imperialism?(I guess it can see Crimea and Putin). I think a nation in the WC should be protected by such human rights abuses as killing of its own people. We are suppose to fight for democracy and when one of our own is violating that right we need to intervene. "loose alliance" I would not call us a "loose alliance" we are very united. We voted 9-1-1 to intervene in some way. I think if your nation warrants the killing of citizens(Don't know if you still do) you should not be in coalitions like the WC.

As to the drop it comment. Sorry. But understand it does rub off on people and not just that it was a arrogant remark that ended up being wrong.

Yes, I am. Any nation or organization which has held a sphere of influence is/has been imperialist. You are free to think as such. This is where I will bring your two arguments into one. While it is true that we are certainly a united coalition, we are a decentralized one. There are no laws forcing me to do anything, so I have quite a bit of autonomy, which is the very definition of decentralization. Fortunately for this decentralization, you and I can disagree on what is and what isn't an international crime. So I am not forced to do anything about a situation I don't think is intervention-worthy.

The nation's idea is mainly this: If you woke up one day, and a man had a gun pointed at you, yelling "I plan to kill you", would you, if you had the chance, point a gun back at him and pull the trigger first? Any Transoxthraxian, Right-wing, Left-wing, no matter, would answer yes, without thinking they'd pull that trigger and stop the man from killing them. Now apply that situation to a nation-wide level. If there are tons of riots that begin forming into a coherent revolution, which plan to overthrow and cleanse the nation of the previous regime, if you had the decision, would you put down those revolts? Or ywould you idly stand by as you and your government are massacred by the masses?

Don't try to say the revolutionaries would be merciful. There is not a single case in which they ever have, historically. The deadly fanaticism of a successful revolution causes the cries of blood to unanimously sing nation-wide.

[Zionist State of North Israel]

An awful disease has been discovered in West Africa. Travelers have been alerted to plan their trips accordingly to avoid Southern West Africa.

Put that in the western coalition news forum

[The United Remnants of America]

Yea, im curious why?

Because their like Commies man.

Woah now, Bro.

Socialism is NOTHING like communism.

You're just grump-fluffled because they wouldn't allow you in and you're probably still grump-fluffled with me because I had the PBA stay out of a conflict due to you and Lolloh fighting on either side.

I thought we are suppose to be in this together. No offense do't join a military coalition if you don't wont to get involved in unwanted conflicts, Majority rules.

I think countries should have the right to decide which conflicts they want to fight in, were large enough that we don't have to worry about not having a large enough force to oppose our enemies.

As for Remenents I say we should let him join as long as he puts our alliance before any other alliances

Can do. Well, except for the PBA. I'll be putting my alliance before any other alliance, as I'd expect any founder in my own alliance to look after their nest before looking after mine.

[Transoxthraxia]

Because their like Commies man.

Woah now, Bro.

Socialism is NOTHING like communism.

You're just grump-fluffled because they wouldn't allow you in and you're probably still grump-fluffled with me because I had the PBA stay out of a conflict due to you and Lolloh fighting on either side.

I think countries should have the right to decide which conflicts they want to fight in, were large enough that we don't have to worry about not having a large enough force to oppose our enemies.

As for Remenents I say we should let him join as long as he puts our alliance before any other alliances

Can do. Well, except for the PBA. I'll be putting my alliance before any other alliance, as I'd expect any founder in my own alliance to look after their nest before looking after mine.

I still don't really like the concept of socialism. Tough titties that I'm in here too, huh?

[The United Remnants of America]

Woah now, Bro.

Socialism is NOTHING like communism.

You're just grump-fluffled because they wouldn't allow you in and you're probably still grump-fluffled with me because I had the PBA stay out of a conflict due to you and Lolloh fighting on either side.


Can do. Well, except for the PBA. I'll be putting my alliance before any other alliance, as I'd expect any founder in my own alliance to look after their nest before looking after mine.

I still don't really like the concept of socialism. Tough titties that I'm in here too, huh?

Well, I still don't really like the concept of a dictatorial authoritarian regime.

[Transoxthraxia]

I still don't really like the concept of socialism. Tough titties that I'm in here too, huh?

Well, I still don't really like the concept of a dictatorial authoritarian regime.

Good thing there's none of those in here.

[The United Remnants of America]

Well, I still don't really like the concept of a dictatorial authoritarian regime.

Good thing there's none of those in here.

"Benevolent Dictatorship"

[Transoxthraxia]

Good thing there's none of those in here.

"Benevolent Dictatorship"

Oh, we've got another Columbion. He was the one who refused to understand that there's a difference between IC and NS right?

My NS category does not define my IC category. ICly I'm a moralistic, socially conservative republic.

[The United Remnants of America]

"Benevolent Dictatorship"

Oh, we've got another Columbion. He was the one who refused to understand that there's a difference between IC and NS right?

My NS category does not define my IC category. ICly I'm a moralistic, socially conservative republic.

I know there's a difference.

Just making sure, because for some people, it's the same.

Like me.

My IC is a projection of my NS is a projection of me.

[Zionist State of North Israel]

"Benevolent Dictatorship"

Oh, we've got another Columbion. He was the one who refused to understand that there's a difference between IC and NS right?

My NS category does not define my IC category. ICly I'm a moralistic, socially conservative republic.

I keep my NS and IC the same just cause I think that's how it should be

[The United Remnants of America]

Oh, we've got another Columbion. He was the one who refused to understand that there's a difference between IC and NS right?

My NS category does not define my IC category. ICly I'm a moralistic, socially conservative republic.

I keep my NS and IC the same just cause I think that's how it should be

It's also easier to follow so as not to get in the wrong mindset for one or the either.

[Zionist State of North Israel]

I keep my NS and IC the same just cause I think that's how it should be

It's also easier to follow so as not to get in the wrong mindset for one or the either.

Yah that's why I keep them the same

[Imperial Avantia]

Firstly, don't dodge my defensive point.

Predjudice against one political ideology because of past nations under the guise of the same name is a piss-poor way to judge a nation or an ideology. And while I certainly do agree that killing your own civilians is completely unwarranted (OOCly), a brief glimpse at the Aftermath of the August 21st Coup in Transoxthraxia (Which I don't actually have in my factbook yet.) would tell you that Transoxthraxia's national character supports the killing of civilians that may be hostile to the regime, especially if the regime is set out to create the best possible scenario for the majority of the people within the nation.

In the sphere of influence? I wasn't aware that a loose alliance of defensive states had a sphere of influence outside of the nations within alliance. You're sounding more and more imperialistic, Devonta. Also, don't tell me what I can and can't say. I do, however, concede to your point on the leftist alliance, however. I missed that post.

So know your calling me an imperialist? Or at least said I heading in that direction. How does "sphere of influence" turn into imperialism?(I guess it can see Crimea and Putin). I think a nation in the WC should be protected by such human rights abuses as killing of its own people. We are suppose to fight for democracy and when one of our own is violating that right we need to intervene. "loose alliance" I would not call us a "loose alliance" we are very united. We voted 9-1-1 to intervene in some way. I think if your nation warrants the killing of citizens(Don't know if you still do) you should not be in coalitions like the WC.

As to the drop it comment. Sorry. But understand it does rub off on people and not just that it was a arrogant remark that ended up being wrong.

What's wrong with Putin & Imperialism?

[Liberated Counties]

So know your calling me an imperialist? Or at least said I heading in that direction. How does "sphere of influence" turn into imperialism?(I guess it can see Crimea and Putin). I think a nation in the WC should be protected by such human rights abuses as killing of its own people. We are suppose to fight for democracy and when one of our own is violating that right we need to intervene. "loose alliance" I would not call us a "loose alliance" we are very united. We voted 9-1-1 to intervene in some way. I think if your nation warrants the killing of citizens(Don't know if you still do) you should not be in coalitions like the WC.

As to the drop it comment. Sorry. But understand it does rub off on people and not just that it was a arrogant remark that ended up being wrong.

What's wrong with Putin & Imperialism?

Putin me no gusta. Reminds me too much of Stalin.

[Transoxthraxia]

What's wrong with Putin & Imperialism?

Putin me no gusta. Reminds me too much of Stalin.

He's closer to Alexander II

[Veroxia]

Due to all of this debating and all sorts, how about we stage a vote to see if Remnants is allowed into the WC or not?

About Putin, he sorta reminds me of Hitler in some way. They both used nationalism in some form and made excuses for basically the same reason. Hitler wanted the Sudetenland because there were German people being "oppressed". Putin said Ukrainian people "oppressed" the Russian people in Crimea, in which shows history repeats itself.

[Bashria]

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=289866

Any way this threaten your interests?

[Transoxthraxia]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=289866

Any way this threaten your interests?

Yes, indeed. Religious fundamentalism is a threat to everyone.

Also ICly Transoxthraxia doesn't exactly have the best history with Muslims.

[The United Remnants of America]

Due to all of this debating and all sorts, how about we stage a vote to see if Remnants is allowed into the WC or not?

About Putin, he sorta reminds me of Hitler in some way. They both used nationalism in some form and made excuses for basically the same reason. Hitler wanted the Sudetenland because there were German people being "oppressed". Putin said Ukrainian people "oppressed" the Russian people in Crimea, in which shows history repeats itself.

Well, I vote me in. If mein vote counts.

As for Putin.... What makes him any different than basically any other Russian leader? Authoritarians are more the rule than the exception there.

[Transoxthraxia]

Due to all of this debating and all sorts, how about we stage a vote to see if Remnants is allowed into the WC or not?

About Putin, he sorta reminds me of Hitler in some way. They both used nationalism in some form and made excuses for basically the same reason. Hitler wanted the Sudetenland because there were German people being "oppressed". Putin said Ukrainian people "oppressed" the Russian people in Crimea, in which shows history repeats itself.

Well, I vote me in. If mein vote counts.

As for Putin.... What makes him any different than basically any other Russian leader? Authoritarians are more the rule than the exception there.

I can't name a single democratic Russian leader unless you count Boris Yeltsin. Which is iffy at best.

[The United Remnants of America]

Well, I vote me in. If mein vote counts.

As for Putin.... What makes him any different than basically any other Russian leader? Authoritarians are more the rule than the exception there.

I can't name a single democratic Russian leader unless you count Boris Yeltsin. Which is iffy at best.

Putin's democratic though.

He won with, like, 97.8% of the vote.

There was Kruschev. He was "Western," which is close enough.

[Darwinish Brentsylvania]

What happened to my membership?