"Infinitus Dominium" Grand OOC

[Vaxon]

15-20 can easily fit 3 trillion. Especially when each system is predicted to have 5-10 planets. This means I have about 200 planets, more or less.

@Yal. You're correct. We can terraform any planet, as long as it's over/under a certain size. If it's bigger than jupiter, we can't do anything with it.
If it's smaller than Venus, we can't do anything with it.

Let's put it this way. 428 Earths would be needed to make a population of three trillion, and with 7 billion on our planet, there are widespread food shortages, environmental catastrophes, poor living conditions, and overall crowding.

Can i use Star Wars Terms such as Sith, Jedi, Geonosians and all that?

It's probably best if you stay somewhat original... this is OP's decision.

It seems we have two general categories of nations in this group at this point, 5-50 billion and 1.5-3 trillion. The interplay should be interesting to say the least.

Wrong, I'm the middle link with 120 billion.

Not really, considering it's moons counter-act most of the gravity.
And remember, I said we can breathe underwater as well. Vaxon is 80% water. Our capital is an underwater paradise.
The water also helps counter the gravity.

...wat.

Water counter acts gravity. And so do moons. If it weren't for Earth's moon, wherever there was day light would be under miles of ocean because only the sun would be effecting the water. The moon also counter acts some of Earth's gravity as well. Vaxon has about 5 moons, and being near-completely made of water, it's paradise for us.

[Old Sarthal]

Let's put it this way. 428 Earths would be needed to make a population of three trillion, and with 7 billion on our planet, there are widespread food shortages, environmental catastrophes, poor living conditions, and overall crowding.



It's probably best if you stay somewhat original... this is OP's decision.



Wrong, I'm the middle link with 120 billion.




...wat.

Water counter acts gravity. And so do moons. If it weren't for Earth's moon, wherever there was day light would be under miles of ocean because only the sun would be effecting the water. The moon also counter acts some of Earth's gravity as well. Vaxon has about 5 moons, and being near-completely made of water, it's paradise for us.

That's not how it works... at all...

Water on a planet would only add to its mass, and thus its gravitational pull. As for moons "counter acting gravity", I'm not sure where you even came up with that claim.

[Caecuser]

Just reporting my app now that's done.

Civilization Name: Nungiir Ancestry
Civilization Age: ~3 104 000

Government Type: Theocratic/Technocratic Multiplicity
Government Information: A joint bureaucracy composed of religiously-operating Nungiir-Oracles and an expansive network of both physical and virtual artificial lifeforms cooperatively monitor and maintain the superstructure of the divine Ringworld and its multitudinous population of Nungiir sub-species, the system is highly effective through a combination of chemically-induced commands to biologically inferior citizens and the indoctrinated upbringing of religious authority and adulterated education effectively both suppressing and wielding the entire population to ensure unification across such a huge volume of space within the Capital System.
Government Status: Total control and efficiency has been the previous standard of government influence across Doth Major and its five daughter-systems but under recent centuries rebellious Nungiir-herds have formed in limited sections of the Ringworld with a growing influence that defies the current system of rule - the general population is still subservient though and loyal for the most part, unaware of the climactic wars taking place along the edges of their Capital.
Population: ~1 103 450 000 000

Home World/Capitol: Capital System; Doth Major, Capital World; "The Ringworld"
Capital Status: The Ringworld is one the largest and most populous artificial settlements in the entire Galaxy and therefore one of the Official Seven Wonders of the Galaxy -
Notable Locations and Such: N/A
Founding Species: Nungiir; an ancient and revered meta-species covering numerous physically and mentally altered sub-species fulfilling unique roles within the Ancestry applied either within the modern day set-up of the futurist society or historical remnants from previous eras carried forward not through necessity.
Other Species: Artificial Lifeforms / Intelligences

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Society and Cultural Information: N/A
Society Status: A dual-hierarchy exists for the two mutually-inhabiting species of the Ringworld - one is the biologically-based Nungiir system with the highly-intelligent and dominant species receiving the greatest wealth and social status within the population; Breeders and Oracles are amongst the highest-ranking of the subspecies. The biomechanical hierarchy is far more complex though with massive varieties existing between both the complexity and magnitude of their artificial designs and rapid, fluid nature as opposed to relatively stable organic life.
Languages: Nungish; a relatively stable language spread throughout the Ringworld and the five other systems of the Ancestry, developed however into hundreds of local dialects and accents which differ across the Ringworld making communication technically feasible but difficult for different
Economy: ~7.8
Industry: ~ 8
Production/Construction: ~ 10

Soopah Powah: Mega-Structure Construction / Production; ever heard of the phrase "Robots building robots"? Well, the Ancestry is so industrially focused that they have factories producing factories - they have manufactories, monofactories, nano- / micro-factories and meta-factories, for the most part on automated construction rates and all assisting each other across the Ringworld in construction of vehicles, tools, starships, warships, satellites, stations, buildings and parts and pieces for other factories to utilize.

Specialties/Advanced Sciences: Materials Sciences and Nanomachinery, Picotechnology + Bio/Mechanical Interfaces
Strengths: Large population / military + Production and Logistics to support it. Reasonably high miltech / tech.
Weaknesses: Few territorial locations, volume of Capital means it is highly indefensible, poor treatment of civilians / bad interstellar image.

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Map Claim Size: 1
Grid Coordinates: WIP
Map Claim Color: Gold

Holdings/Territory: One Capital System + Five Daughter-Systems

Colonization/Expansion: The Nungiir Ancestry in non-expansionary due to the vast resource-gathering machines loosed in it's five daughter-systems and the practically unlimited territory within their own Capital System in the form of the Ringworld. If ever a seventh system was to be taken then it would be in the form of an enormous cargo-freighter patrolling the targeted system and completing a total scan of the local volume over a period of decades in order to be thorough. A hyperspace-lane would be stabilized and marked and ensure a steady stream of people and equipment to the target system in exchange of harvested resources and power.

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Foreign Policy: The Nungiir are not a benevolent people and ordinarily would consider their own personal safeties and profits before others - applying this to an interstellar scale and you'll find that the Ancestry almost never sends foreign aid, makes trade routes at extortionate rates and is both rash and apathetic to its general decisions regarding other species and systems that it comes across. They are more likely to plunder a floundered vessel than help it and are quick to retaliate with direct action if threatened.
Diplomacy: N/A

Technological Age: N/A
FTL Capabilities: Hyperspace Lanes; maintainable for temporary periods of time due to energistic input from starships through a fourth-spacial dimension these lanes connect to different locations in the third-spacial dimension allowing for travel speed relating to the amount of energy pumped through and the distance in hyperspace ranging from slower-than-light to instantaneously. These can be permanently maintained between systems and as such only a few of these exist in the Nungiir Ancestry.
Inter-Planetary Travel A rarity but accessible amongst the five daughter-systems due to only a single world and occasional asteroid being inhabited there; Doth Major however has no planetary bodies and very few asteroids within the system so all inter-planetary travel is confined to traveling from one side of the Ringworld to the other or between stations and satellites.

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Military Information: The military is of course divided into two equal parts of the Army and the Naval Warfleets and a few subspecies of Nungiir fall into both as will be explained later. The Nungiir have been militarized since their species conception millions of years ago and though they have known long moments of peace both on their original planetary stage and the later galactic stage they've never demilitarized their people entirely and have always maintained an armed force. The militarism was strong enough to affect their evolutionary history by incorporating Hunter-species and later Soldier-species into their long list of various sub-species. Mechanoids, bio-mechs, drones and other artificial creations are used to enhance the capabilities of the military and provide direction and systemic control of individual ships and battlefields though organic Nungiir are always kept in the loop and maintain absolute control.
Doctrine: The basic strategy of the Nungiir is containment and overwhelming force - they possess large numbers of infantry and supporting vehicles that they can field but the top desire is to contain the target planet of section of planet with an orbital force and maintain supremacy through bombardment and threats.

Army: Nungiirtok is the basic title afforded to those of the Soldier-class and they will be detailed upon later in the species app, needless to say they form the bulk of the ground troops and anti-boarding troops aboard stations and starships. They form militias to defend towns and cities along the Ringworld and are amongst the most loyal of the sub-species to the Breeders and Oracles. The Hunter-species originally gathered meat for the carnivore sub-species and now serve the role as scouts, assassins and assistants to both Soldiers and Engineers. Exact numbers are unknown for both sub-species but they form a solid block of roughly five percent of the species at a minimum.

Navy: The Naval Warfleets of the Ancestry are as standardized as the Army with perhaps ten classes of starships total covering both civilian and military applications of space travel. Roughly two hundred ships of varying classes defend the five daughter-systems each with roughly five thousands defending the Capital System. Will be detailed upon later.

Strengths: High standardization of weaponry and vehicles lessens training requirements, large population to draw new legions from, refinement of weaponry design and production, etc.
Weaknesses: Lack of efficient control / relations between the upper military leading groups and the general army of Nungiirtok Soldiers. Nungiirtok are generally not very well trained and can only use rudimentary tactics, surprising maneuvers by the enemy will catch them off guard often.

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NS Activity: Daily.
Technological Bases: N/A
Prior RP links: N/A

[Viraliz]

(Insert Nation Flag/Insignia here)
Civilization Name: Corpus Umbrae
Civilization Age: 4572 Of lost hope

Government Type: They have a caste based society that could be compared to the society described by Plato in his Republic. They have three castes that run different parts of their society and they leaders of the castes act as the three rulers of the Corpus. These castes are the workers, the soldiers, the explorers. However what is important to know is that ones caste isn't set in stone and one can shift between them at will, but their society focuses on that one should know their limits and focus on their strengths. As such their society is highly ordered and efficient and can quickly focus on objectives their leaders set for their society. For example if they were to declare war their entire society would quickly shift into a total war style of warfare.
Government Information: The most important people in their government are the three leaders. Leader of the soldiers are Dominus Miles Leto, their workers are Dominus Scolaris Caius and finally we have the leader of the explorers which is Dominus Inventore Quintus. They are a rather divided group as they all have different views on how to run their society, however they still try to compromise as much as possible.
Government Status: Stable but with some bickering among leaders.
Population: 1 billion.

Home World/Capitol: None their homeworld was destroyed by a meteor and since then most of their society lives on a spaceship/city called Asticus Magna
Capital Status: Has begun to be overcrowded and therefore they have begun a large expansion of their ship.
Notable locations and such: Their bazaar. Hydroponics and docks.
Founding Species: Arakh
Other Species: None
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Society and Cultural information: As a society they view themselves as superior and don't have any problem with capturing other races as slaves to be used or sold. Yet they will often trade with other races to get resources they can't produce on their own. As such they can seem to be hypocritical, but for them it just about the profits they stand to gain. Besides their slaver ways they sometimes raid undefended colonies to steal resources that can be traded. What many governments hate about the Corpus Umbrae is that they will trade anything with anyone including harmful substances, weaponry and the like aslong as they make a large profit.
Society Status: A highly ordered society that will trade with everyone given they chance.
Languages: Corpurian
Economy: For their size a 7 but for other races 1-2
Industry: Large production of illegal substances that are sold to drug lords. Are mostly merchants with a low production base so they usually buy cheap in one place and sell it expensive in other places.
Production/Construction: Makes several drugs made from a plant called Vitae that is highly addictive, apart from that they are excellent shipwrights and salvagers.

Soopah Powah: Highly mobile due to their wormhole drives. Also they are very secretive and very few people have seen them directly and even fewer know that they are a race.

Specialties/Advanced Sciences: Wormhole drives. Master of ship, since they spend most of their lives on spaceships they are good at building, maintaining and salvaging ships.
Strengths: Nomadic. Will trade with everyone with anything.
Weaknesses: Unable to colonize efficiently. Centered population, if their capitol was to be destroyed then they would be practically extinct.
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Map Claim Size: 1 (Scale 1-10 1 being small 10 being huge)
Grid Coordinates: none
Map Claim Color: Black, grey or red in that order if available

Holdings/Territory: Qan system, where their capitol is currently stationed.

Colonization/expansion: They problem with they Corpus Umbrae is that they can't colonize an entire planet regardless of atmosphere. All Arakh suffers from an inherited illness that makes it impossible to live in an atmosphere without Vitae plants. Vitae plants release a chemical into the air where they grow which most races from the Arakh homeworld have a symbiotic with. For example the Arakh don't need sleep and have a fast metabolism and have a rather large muscular density, but Arakh born without the Vitae present are all stillborn and very weak. And to make matter worse if an Arakh is deprived or Vitae they will gradually grow weaker until their hearts simply stop. As such they few colonies they have are isolated buildings where there is a constant flow of Vitae gas.
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Foreign policy: As weaker races that are to be used and enslaved. But they know they are currently weak and therefore exercise caution. (How you view and treat other nations.)
Diplomacy: None yet.

Technological Age: Mass effect period except different ftl drives and weapons tech. (Rough estimate,  feel free to use terms if you like, but not to limit options, it can be based loosely on Earth years, or at least a relative benchmark or comparison)
FTL Capabilities: Their ships can generate a wormhole to any point in the galaxy and travel there, but depending on distance and energy spent the travel time will change. Therefore most ships dock with their Capitol before making a long distance jump.
Inter Planetary Travel: Often used for trading and raiding.
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Military Information: The Corpus Umbrae military strategy relies mostly on it's advanced spaceships and infantry when conducting military campaigns, but this is just when the war commences. Before a war will begin they will start to support dissidents and terrorist inside the target nation, giving them weapons and supplies in exchange for doing what the Corpus want from time to time. This allows them to eliminate enemy leaders, infrastructure before the war begins. When the battle begins the Corpus will utilize all means possible to end the war quickly and lower their own causalities, since they have an extremely small population.
Doctrine: At first they will a orbital superiority and start orbital bombardments on all strategic objectives. Then their infantry will be dropped onto key locations with their dropship acting as gunships and providing aerial superiority.

Army: All army groups are grouped in squads of then and then assigned a dropship with minor FTL capabilities. All squads are trained to the level of most special forces and often has greater experience as they quite often serve as mercenaries for other species.

Navy: The Corpus navy is based on high speed and high damage style of combat with them dropping out of their wormhole making a swift attack then leaving again. As such many find them highly annoying to fight as engagements with them can last for quite some time before.

Strengths: Very strong individual soldiers. Top class space ships. Total War.
Weaknesses: Need re-breathers to survive of their ships. Low population.
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NS activity: Has been missing for some time but have begun to comeback again.
Technological Bases: None really, maybe mass effect quarians but most from my head.
Prior RP links: None that still exists, but have played Rp on roleplaygateway.

[Yalos]

In regards to the recent arguments of population/population density, whatever would like to just make a note about population size in terms of this RP. I am no FT expert; in fact, I’ve only been doing FT for the past few months that I’ve been on a Starwars-40k high, but I’ve noticed a few trends and patterns that we might want to take care to avoid or think about. I also did quite a bit PMT and FanT on a different nation in the past, so I feel that I might have some authority.

Read this, don’t read it, take it with a grain of salt, whatever, but I would really like to explain my beliefs on population balancing, especially in terms of this RP. I am no sage, so I might be working on fundamentally flawed logic or rhetoric, but hear me out, and/or give me criticism on my views of FT as a general genre of Role playing. As such, I'm going off what I know. Just as a disclaimer, once again, I say that you don't have to listen to me.

Remember that any government trying to control a large amount of people is always going to be hard pressed. Larger nations, on average, should expect less stability, and thus more mob violence and criminal activity. They should not be able to control all aspects of their citizen’s lives, because any system that wants to probably could break off and force the mother nation into a very difficult war. Taking the example of the modern world, the US and China don’t exactly have as much stability and orderliness as Finland or Norway. Sure, China is more totalitarian, but it has major issues trying to control its population, which continuously engages in finding ways past government mandates. Take that, and bloat it into the trillions. Can you see what kind of problems you would face?

Inversely, somebody with a swarm or AI command might argue that they can control a massive population, no problem, but then, they must realize that their nation is just as fragile. With a single processing system for the entire nation, the larger it is, the less responsive and organized it should be. Or if that’s not the case either, it’s very likely that said nation will lack innovation and creativity that free minded nations do. Large population, while attractive at first, is actually a curse in the long run.

Also, think about reputation and balance. I know personally when somebody jumps in with a utopian alien civilization with 4 trillion citizens, an army full of super soldiers, and super advanced tech and medicine that means that nobody dies, I get irked, and I’m certain everyone else does too. It’s important to realize that balance is not only important; it’s essential to building OOC relationships. A person who is fair, and keeps themselves from throwing around masses of troops because they can, is more likely to be popular. I’ve learned this the hard way.

Another thing is motivation. Why do you want 3 trillion citizens? Are you in the massive population neighborhood simply to curb stomp everyone, or is it actually necessary for the story you hope to write? All of these 15 billion citizen nations are prosperous enough, wealthy enough, and have exactly what is needed to RP successfully and happily. I personally want a population in the trillions just so I CAN have less stability, so that crime CAN reign supreme and so that rebel factions can constantly spring up and decimate entire systems in a massive galactic civil war. On a similar note, Steel Confessors NEEDS trillions of soulless warriors to launch mighty expansive crusades for the glory of mankind. If all you want to do is expand and trade and engage in the casual war here and there, it might be better if you limited your population. Everyone would surely appreciate it.

Of course, I am being a hypocrite. I have the third largest nation in the RP, who am I to blabber about and tell you what you should and should not do in terms of population? I’m not ordering however, this is merely being written to help you consider what you actually want. Do you simply want to show off your power, or are you in this to contribute the best you can to what will be a collective story in which all of our nations will play its part? In which epic duels and passionate romances will take place amongst battles in the stars, where entire legions will be decimated at the press of a button, and where single individuals will be destined with the fate of trillions.

Have a nice day, all
-Yalos

[Veroxia]

Mother of god,how do you pull these up?

[Vaxon]

Water counter acts gravity. And so do moons. If it weren't for Earth's moon, wherever there was day light would be under miles of ocean because only the sun would be effecting the water. The moon also counter acts some of Earth's gravity as well. Vaxon has about 5 moons, and being near-completely made of water, it's paradise for us.

That's not how it works... at all...

Water on a planet would only add to its mass, and thus its gravitational pull. As for moons "counter acting gravity", I'm not sure where you even came up with that claim.

You float in water. Therefor, it counter-acts gravity. And the Earth's moon stops the sun's gravity from making a 7 mile high wave of water from circling the planet and constantly destroying everything over and over.
So, 3 moons should pull the water up just enough to make sure the sun won't destroy what little land is there, and should also help us swim around.

[Daskoxian]

That's not how it works... at all...

Water on a planet would only add to its mass, and thus its gravitational pull. As for moons "counter acting gravity", I'm not sure where you even came up with that claim.

You float in water. Therefor, it counter-acts gravity. And the Earth's moon stops the sun's gravity from making a 7 mile high wave of water from circling the planet and constantly destroying everything over and over.
So, 3 moons should pull the water up just enough to make sure the sun won't destroy what little land is there, and should also help us swim around.

This has got to be satire.

[Vaxon]

You float in water. Therefor, it counter-acts gravity. And the Earth's moon stops the sun's gravity from making a 7 mile high wave of water from circling the planet and constantly destroying everything over and over.
So, 3 moons should pull the water up just enough to make sure the sun won't destroy what little land is there, and should also help us swim around.

This has got to be satire.

What do you mean?

[The Orson Empire]

Re-done App:

Civilization Name:
The Vorkon Conglomerate
Civilization Age:
circa 20,000 years
Government Type: Democratic Republic
Government Information: The current government has been established for 512 years. It is the result of a massive planetary-wide war on Scion, the Vorkon's home-world, between all of the planet's major nation-states. The war ended with the deaths of nearly 1 billion Vorkon, the complete destruction of several nation-states and economic, political, and social disaster. Fortunately, as the Vorkon rebuilt, the survivors of the war decided to create a single government, a conglomerate of all nation-states into one giant alliance. A new government was established to each of the former nation-states best interests. Now, most of Scion has been rebuilt, and the Vorkon have entered the space age, recently discovering the FTL drive and constructing their first FTL-capable star-ships.
Government Status: Stable
Population: 3 billion Vorkon
Home World/Capitol: Scion
Capital Status: A temperate, jungle world orbiting a red dwarf star. Scion is still covered in the destroyed remains of cities from the world war, however, several sections of the planet have been fully rebuilt. The capital city of Scion is District One.
Notable locations and such:
Scion- capital of the Vorkon Conglomerate and 2nd world in the Vorkon's home star system.
Thanatus- A desolate planet with a thin atmosphere of Carbon Dioxide. It is the 3rd planet in the star system. The Vorkon have set up research colonies on the world to find any valuable minerals and search for signs of life.
Grungus- A blue gas giant at the end of the star system. There are space stations set up in orbit around Grungus, and government sponsored and private voyages have been taking place on Grungus's moons.
Founding Species: The Vorkon
Other Species: N/A
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Society and Cultural information: The Vorkon have a rather stable society. It is not known whether any Vorkon worship dieties, but it is assumed that some do. Discrimination is rather rare, and all Vorkon are treated equally.
Society Status: Present
Languages: Vorkon Conscript
Economy: 7
Industry: Manufacturing.
Production/Construction: High
Soopah Powah: Military superpower, particularly our army.

Specialties/Advanced Sciences: Computer science, space science
Strengths: Military, manufacturing ability
Weaknesses: Vorkon Navy is still very weak, as FTL technology has been discovered only recently.
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Map Claim Size: 1
Grid Coordinates: Alpha Quadrant, U-K
Map Claim Color: Purple

Holdings/Territory:

Colonization/expansion: The Vorkon have not expanded into other star systems yet, and thus do not have a clear method of colonization.
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Foreign policy: Willing to form an alliance with any species they meet. However, they also have a "you mess with me, I mess with you" policy.
Diplomacy: Good
Technological Age: circa 7,000 years
FTL Capabilities: Ships can travel 200 light years in a day.
Inter Planetary Travel Frequent
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Military Information: The Vorkon have had some form of a military ever since antiquity. The military is made up of mostly volunteers and some conscripts.
Doctrine:
The Vorkon tend to use attrition warfare, as well as guerrilla warfare when necessary.

Army:
The Vorkon Army has three ranks: drones, officers, and commanders. Commanders can control entire legions. Officers control sections of legions. Drones are pretty much all of the other soldiers.
Navy:
The Vorkon currently only have 20 ships in their navy, and all of them are frigates.
Strengths: Powerful army
Weaknesses: Weak Navy
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NS activity: Active
Technological Bases: My imagination, Star Wars and others
Prior RP links:
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=218477&hilit=Oceara
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=259040

Species Name: Vorkon
Appearance: See Anatomy
Biology and anatomy: The average Vorkon height is seven feet tall. They have six completely black eyes and a crest shaped forehead which thins out and becomes circular at the back. They have various shades of green skin, with red sprinkled in all over their body. Their skin is semi-scaly and is very thick and coarse. They have two hands, each with four fingers and a thumb, and two feet, each with five toes. They do not have a tail. They have a single mouth with two sets of very sharp, tough teeth. They normally have two pairs of each of the main organs- two hearts, four lungs, two livers, etc. but only a single brain.
Height: Average is 7 feet tall.
Weight: Average is 150-200 pounds.
Relative survivability: High.

Natural Defenses/Abilities: They have the capability of seeing in infared vision, as well as pysonics
Unnatural abilities: Augmentations
Respiratory Gas: Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide
Base composite Element: Silicon

Base Form and Ethnic Variations: See anatomy.
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Life Span: 200 years
Reproduction: Sexual reproduction.
Intelligence Level: High
Traits/Behavior/Disposition: Vorkon are naturally cold, hostile beings.

Type: Avian
Aggression: 5
Society and Cultural information: N/A

Important Characters:
Archo Totalis- The current president of the Vorkon Conglomerate

[Yalos]

That's not how it works... at all...

Water on a planet would only add to its mass, and thus its gravitational pull. As for moons "counter acting gravity", I'm not sure where you even came up with that claim.

You float in water. Therefor, it counter-acts gravity. And the Earth's moon stops the sun's gravity from making a 7 mile high wave of water from circling the planet and constantly destroying everything over and over.
So, 3 moons should pull the water up just enough to make sure the sun won't destroy what little land is there, and should also help us swim around.

[Pavlostani]

That's not how it works... at all...

Water on a planet would only add to its mass, and thus its gravitational pull. As for moons "counter acting gravity", I'm not sure where you even came up with that claim.

You float in water. Therefor, it counter-acts gravity. And the Earth's moon stops the sun's gravity from making a 7 mile high wave of water from circling the planet and constantly destroying everything over and over.
So, 3 moons should pull the water up just enough to make sure the sun won't destroy what little land is there, and should also help us swim around.

Flotation in water deals with density and/or hydrogen bonding. That's entirely different from gravity.

[Old Sarthal]

That's not how it works... at all...

Water on a planet would only add to its mass, and thus its gravitational pull. As for moons "counter acting gravity", I'm not sure where you even came up with that claim.

You float in water. Therefor, it counter-acts gravity. And the Earth's moon stops the sun's gravity from making a 7 mile high wave of water from circling the planet and constantly destroying everything over and over.
So, 3 moons should pull the water up just enough to make sure the sun won't destroy what little land is there, and should also help us swim around.

...

Whether or not something floats is a density issue, not a mass issue, and near the solid surface of any Jupiter-size world the sheer pressure the water would be under due to its own weight would crush any organic being, with a rocky planet of that size only multiplying the problem. The 7 mile wave of water you seem to be so fond of is simply utter bullshit, and unless you are referring to tides the Earth's moon does not "counter act gravity" in any noticeable way.

[Equalsun Empire]

Any IC's up that I could join?

[Daskoxian]

This has got to be satire.

What do you mean?

So then, with your reasoning, a planet made solely of mercury should have no gravity at all, as everyone floats on mercury. Even cannonballs.

[Yalos]

Any IC's up that I could join?

MINE!

[Equalsun Empire]

Any IC's up that I could join?

MINE!

Link? The Eldar would be happy to participate, as we are currently bored.

[Pavlostani]

Any IC's up that I could join?

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=262710
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=262555#unread

I can't seem to find G-Tech's.

[Yalos]

MINE!

Link? The Eldar would be happy to participate, as we are currently bored.

forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=262555

[Yalos]

Any IC's up that I could join?

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=262710
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=262555#unread

I can't seem to find G-Tech's.

G-Tech's
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=262407

[Vaxon]

You float in water. Therefor, it counter-acts gravity. And the Earth's moon stops the sun's gravity from making a 7 mile high wave of water from circling the planet and constantly destroying everything over and over.
So, 3 moons should pull the water up just enough to make sure the sun won't destroy what little land is there, and should also help us swim around.

Flotation in water deals with density and/or hydrogen bonding. That's entirely different from gravity.

Ugh. Our average weight is 170 earth pounds, at least on Vaxon. We're extremely skinny and tall, as I said before, because we weigh lots less.

However, we're still capable of lifting lots of things.

@Sarth.

It's not bullcrap, it's science. The moon counteracts the sun and Earth's gravity.
Earth's gravity wants the water to crush in onto the planet, and the Sun's gravity wants the water to float to it because of how close we are to the sun. Therefor, the sun would outweigh the Earth's gravity and win, therefor bringing the Earth to an end. WE need our moon on Earth.

Also, if you REALLY think our planet is incapable of life, think again. They found a jupiter-sized rock planet that they believe supports life.
Satellite imaging also proves this, via greenish coloring being on the planet. Enough said.

[Pavlostani]

Flotation in water deals with density and/or hydrogen bonding. That's entirely different from gravity.

Ugh. Our average weight is 170 earth pounds, at least on Vaxon. We're extremely skinny and tall, as I said before, because we weigh lots less.

However, we're still capable of lifting lots of things.

This has absolutely no relation to what I said.

@Sarth.

It's not bullcrap, it's science. The moon counteracts the sun and Earth's gravity.
Earth's gravity wants the water to crush in onto the planet, and the Sun's gravity wants the water to float to it because of how close we are to the sun. Therefor, the sun would outweigh the Earth's gravity and win, therefor bringing the Earth to an end. WE need our moon on Earth.

Also, if you REALLY think our planet is incapable of life, think again. They found a jupiter-sized rock planet that they believe supports life.
Satellite imaging also proves this, via greenish coloring being on the planet. Enough said.

Source? Also, a greenish color could mean there's copper on the surface, or any other number of reasons.

[Old Sarthal]

Flotation in water deals with density and/or hydrogen bonding. That's entirely different from gravity.

Ugh. Our average weight is 170 earth pounds, at least on Vaxon. We're extremely skinny and tall, as I said before, because we weigh lots less.

However, we're still capable of lifting lots of things.

@Sarth.

It's not bullcrap, it's science. The moon counteracts the sun and Earth's gravity.
Earth's gravity wants the water to crush in onto the planet, and the Sun's gravity wants the water to float to it because of how close we are to the sun. Therefor, the sun would outweigh the Earth's gravity and win, therefor bringing the Earth to an end. WE need our moon on Earth.

Also, if you REALLY think our planet is incapable of life, think again. They found a jupiter-sized rock planet that they believe supports life.
Satellite imaging also proves this, via greenish coloring being on the planet. Enough said.

Alright. I'm going to ask you one question, then. Why doesn't all the water fly away during a solar eclipse, when the Sun and moon are in alignment, both pulling in the same direction?

[Daskoxian]

Flotation in water deals with density and/or hydrogen bonding. That's entirely different from gravity.

Ugh. Our average weight is 170 earth pounds, at least on Vaxon. We're extremely skinny and tall, as I said before, because we weigh lots less.

However, we're still capable of lifting lots of things.

@Sarth.

It's not bullcrap, it's science. The moon counteracts the sun and Earth's gravity.
Earth's gravity wants the water to crush in onto the planet, and the Sun's gravity wants the water to float to it because of how close we are to the sun. Therefor, the sun would outweigh the Earth's gravity and win, therefor bringing the Earth to an end. WE need our moon on Earth.

Also, if you REALLY think our planet is incapable of life, think again. They found a jupiter-sized rock planet that they believe supports life.
Satellite imaging also proves this, via greenish coloring being on the planet. Enough said.

So why doesn't Venus's atmosphere fly off to the Sun? Why not Mercury's crust? Why just water?

[Vaxon]

Ugh. Our average weight is 170 earth pounds, at least on Vaxon. We're extremely skinny and tall, as I said before, because we weigh lots less.

However, we're still capable of lifting lots of things.

This has absolutely no relation to what I said.

@Sarth.

It's not bullcrap, it's science. The moon counteracts the sun and Earth's gravity.
Earth's gravity wants the water to crush in onto the planet, and the Sun's gravity wants the water to float to it because of how close we are to the sun. Therefor, the sun would outweigh the Earth's gravity and win, therefor bringing the Earth to an end. WE need our moon on Earth.

Also, if you REALLY think our planet is incapable of life, think again. They found a jupiter-sized rock planet that they believe supports life.
Satellite imaging also proves this, via greenish coloring being on the planet. Enough said.

Source?

Source.

It says that it could hold life, but they're still investigating. I stopped reading after about a paragraph or so.

@Dask/Sarth.
Do I really have to dig in my archives for those articles?