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The OP is a knuckle head.
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The OP is incompetent.
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Cookies are delicious.
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Caecuser
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Postby Caecuser » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:29 pm

Vaxon wrote:
Caecuser wrote:
So many systems? You said 15 to 20 earlier.


15-20 can easily fit 3 trillion. Especially when each system is predicted to have 5-10 planets. This means I have about 200 planets, more or less.

@Yal. You're correct. We can terraform any planet, as long as it's over/under a certain size. If it's bigger than jupiter, we can't do anything with it.
If it's smaller than Venus, we can't do anything with it.


Well, I'm fairly certain you can't terraform gas giants to be terra-compatible and it sounds pretty fortunate you have multiple systems with planets easily convertible to Earth-standards.

Also - I'd like you to explain why you have such a large population or why you need one.

Haha, Sarth - I fall into the 1.1 Trillion.

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Postby Daskoxian » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:30 pm

Old Sarthal wrote:It seems we have two general categories of nations in this group at this point, 5-50 billion and 1.5-3 trillion. The interplay should be interesting to say the least.

105.3 billion here. Minority pride!

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Kyuria
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Postby Kyuria » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:32 pm

Actually Jedi, you only have to make one app. Technically. Just as long as you section off the app in the areas where each faction differed, there would be no need to highlight the similarities, and if you just split those fields between each faction, you should be fine. For example, under the "government type" if each faction had a different type of government, you specify which faction had which type and so on and so forth with the rest of the app. I sound like a lot of work though.
But don't worry about how it'll look, it should not be too hard to puzzle out. (And if it is, but it is still acceptable, I'll just do a TL;DR version)

And you are allowed to use the terms but that won't mean others will exactly approve of them, but in the end it is your call.

As for population numbers,... truly, anything more than about a trillion could safely be argued to be insanely huge. For instance, take the example I always give. The earth supports some 7 billion people as it is with our poor usage of resources. So, say in the future we kicked ass at resource management and bumped that up. Building huge arcologies and a world city a la Coruscant, we might reach 50 billion. But you can't just have stupid huge numbers. Remember, people need infrastructure. Power plants, work places, venues, residencies, industry, places to grow food. the infrastructure takes up and ungodly amount of space on every world. Now, say you have a system with 10 planets,... that's only 500 billion people if every one of them have a similar surface area/mass like earth (even the uninhabitable ones.) and has had the exact same uber scale over development.
Considering that planets could vary in size and type on an extremely wide sliding scale, you'd be hard pressed to do so. Not to mention that at some point you would need extra planets to provide infrastructure and resources to you others, like mining planets, industrial/supply worlds, garbage dumps, etc etc.

And you also have to think about the social/economic/political/etc implications such a population would carry,... infinitely complicating the matter. (I blame popular media for causing this problem)
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Vaxon
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Postby Vaxon » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:33 pm

Caecuser wrote:
Vaxon wrote:
15-20 can easily fit 3 trillion. Especially when each system is predicted to have 5-10 planets. This means I have about 200 planets, more or less.

@Yal. You're correct. We can terraform any planet, as long as it's over/under a certain size. If it's bigger than jupiter, we can't do anything with it.
If it's smaller than Venus, we can't do anything with it.


Well, I'm fairly certain you can't terraform gas giants to be terra-compatible and it sounds pretty fortunate you have multiple systems with planets easily convertible to Earth-standards.

Also - I'd like you to explain why you have such a large population or why you need one.

Haha, Sarth - I fall into the 1.1 Trillion.


I can terraform rock planets I meant. Gas planets, we build populated space stations that orbit around them.
I never said all our planets were rock. I just said we can terraform anything of that size or larger/smaller. We only have one jupiter-sized rock planet; our home world Vaxon.
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Old Sarthal
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Postby Old Sarthal » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:33 pm

Daskoxian wrote:
Old Sarthal wrote:It seems we have two general categories of nations in this group at this point, 5-50 billion and 1.5-3 trillion. The interplay should be interesting to say the least.

105.3 billion here. Minority pride!


Honestly, I'm starting to wonder if my 14 billion constitutes an endangered species.
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Postby Vaxon » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:34 pm

Old Sarthal wrote:
Daskoxian wrote:105.3 billion here. Minority pride!


Honestly, I'm starting to wonder if my 14 billion constitutes an endangered species.


For us trillionaires, it would be anyway. :lol2:
Greetings, If you're reading this, YOU ARE A STALKER!
Now, in all seriousness, I am an American Male.
Greater Mackonia wrote:"A car carrying a Communist a Capitalist and a Fascist breaks down, the Communist implores for the three to unite and push the car forward, though it may take significant time and misery. The Capitalist declares that the three should hire a taxi, though it will be costly and the taxi only has room for two. The Fascist gets in the car, sounds the horn and pretends the car is still moving."

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Caecuser
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Postby Caecuser » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:35 pm

Vaxon wrote:
Caecuser wrote:
Well, I'm fairly certain you can't terraform gas giants to be terra-compatible and it sounds pretty fortunate you have multiple systems with planets easily convertible to Earth-standards.

Also - I'd like you to explain why you have such a large population or why you need one.

Haha, Sarth - I fall into the 1.1 Trillion.


I can terraform rock planets I meant. Gas planets, we build populated space stations that orbit around them.
I never said all our planets were rock. I just said we can terraform anything of that size or larger/smaller. We only have one jupiter-sized rock planet; our home world Vaxon.


Would a solid world of that scale have a ridiculously high level of gravity?

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Kyuria
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Postby Kyuria » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:36 pm

Old Sarthal wrote:Honestly, I'm starting to wonder if my 14 billion constitutes an endangered species.


No, they're not. They're just "insignificant" as the scale goes. 7, or even 2 billion, maybe.
Try having a population of about 250 for a day.
Or even .5
And yes, I do mean .5
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Old Sarthal
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Postby Old Sarthal » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:37 pm

Kyuria wrote:
Old Sarthal wrote:Honestly, I'm starting to wonder if my 14 billion constitutes an endangered species.


No, they're not. They're just "insignificant" as the scale goes. 7, or even 2 billion, maybe.
Try having a population of about 250 for a day.
Or even .5
And yes, I do mean .5


...how does one acquire a population of .5 persons?
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Nyte
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Postby Nyte » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:38 pm

Old Sarthal wrote:
Daskoxian wrote:105.3 billion here. Minority pride!


Honestly, I'm starting to wonder if my 14 billion constitutes an endangered species.


I've got 34 billion... And I'm not even close to being worried. It just means that my smaller numbers will be that much more badass to make up for their numerical inferiority. I like to think of my people as the Spartans from the movie 300...
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Postby Vaxon » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:38 pm

Caecuser wrote:
Vaxon wrote:
I can terraform rock planets I meant. Gas planets, we build populated space stations that orbit around them.
I never said all our planets were rock. I just said we can terraform anything of that size or larger/smaller. We only have one jupiter-sized rock planet; our home world Vaxon.


Would a solid world of that scale have a ridiculously high level of gravity?


Not really, considering it's moons counter-act most of the gravity.
And remember, I said we can breathe underwater as well. Vaxon is 80% water. Our capital is an underwater paradise.
The water also helps counter the gravity.
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Greater Mackonia wrote:"A car carrying a Communist a Capitalist and a Fascist breaks down, the Communist implores for the three to unite and push the car forward, though it may take significant time and misery. The Capitalist declares that the three should hire a taxi, though it will be costly and the taxi only has room for two. The Fascist gets in the car, sounds the horn and pretends the car is still moving."

-A Mack Saying.

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Kyuria
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Postby Kyuria » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:39 pm

Long story.
In short, someone's life is absolutely shitty. If it could be called a life.
Why must I be the only one who can be reasonable in the face of chaos?

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Caecuser
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Postby Caecuser » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:39 pm

Nyte wrote:
Old Sarthal wrote:
Honestly, I'm starting to wonder if my 14 billion constitutes an endangered species.


I've got 34 billion... And I'm not even close to being worried. It just means that my smaller numbers will be that much more badass to make up for their numerical inferiority. I like to think of my people as the Spartans from the movie 300...


Good old Conservation of Ninjutsu at work.

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Veroxia
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Postby Veroxia » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:39 pm

Heh,but the Spartans died later..
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Daskoxian
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Postby Daskoxian » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:40 pm

Old Sarthal wrote:
Daskoxian wrote:105.3 billion here. Minority pride!


Honestly, I'm starting to wonder if my 14 billion constitutes an endangered species.

At one point I had my pop at 252.3 billion and considered it small. The Daskoxyani population may continue to fall, maybe around 63-92.1 billion. "Small" is difficult to define when it comes to old, advanced FT societies.

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Nyte
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Postby Nyte » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:40 pm

Caecuser wrote:
Nyte wrote:
I've got 34 billion... And I'm not even close to being worried. It just means that my smaller numbers will be that much more badass to make up for their numerical inferiority. I like to think of my people as the Spartans from the movie 300...


Good old Conservation of Ninjutsu at work.


Damn straight. :p
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Old Sarthal
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Postby Old Sarthal » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:41 pm

Nyte wrote:
Caecuser wrote:
Good old Conservation of Ninjutsu at work.


Damn straight. :p


In AoS I had 26 million.

They must have fought like gods.
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Nyte
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Postby Nyte » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:43 pm

Veroxia wrote:Heh,but the Spartans died later..


True... But they killed a hell of a lot more of the enemy before they died. Basically they'll die, but it won't be easily.
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Veroxia
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Postby Veroxia » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:44 pm

True. They may be strong,but they won't last afterwards.
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Postby The Fallen Jedi » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:44 pm

Kyuria wrote:Actually Jedi, you only have to make one app. Technically. Just as long as you section off the app in the areas where each faction differed, there would be no need to highlight the similarities, and if you just split those fields between each faction, you should be fine. For example, under the "government type" if each faction had a different type of government, you specify which faction had which type and so on and so forth with the rest of the app. I sound like a lot of work though.
But don't worry about how it'll look, it should not be too hard to puzzle out. (And if it is, but it is still acceptable, I'll just do a TL;DR version)

And you are allowed to use the terms but that won't mean others will exactly approve of them, but in the end it is your call.

As for population numbers,... truly, anything more than about a trillion could safely be argued to be insanely huge. For instance, take the example I always give. The earth supports some 7 billion people as it is with our poor usage of resources. So, say in the future we kicked ass at resource management and bumped that up. Building huge arcologies and a world city a la Coruscant, we might reach 50 billion. But you can't just have stupid huge numbers. Remember, people need infrastructure. Power plants, work places, venues, residencies, industry, places to grow food. the infrastructure takes up and ungodly amount of space on every world. Now, say you have a system with 10 planets,... that's only 500 billion people if every one of them have a similar surface area/mass like earth (even the uninhabitable ones.) and has had the exact same uber scale over development.
Considering that planets could vary in size and type on an extremely wide sliding scale, you'd be hard pressed to do so. Not to mention that at some point you would need extra planets to provide infrastructure and resources to you others, like mining planets, industrial/supply worlds, garbage dumps, etc etc.

And you also have to think about the social/economic/political/etc implications such a population would carry,... infinitely complicating the matter. (I blame popular media for causing this problem)


Well after the Civil War, all of the Warring Factions whom lost exiled themselfs to their home Planets (Sith Exiled to Korriban, Jedi Exiled to Tython, ect...)

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Veroxia
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Postby Veroxia » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:46 pm

So,how is my nation app? I'll change it if you guys find something wrong or if there is a mistake.
FT NATION:The Korosian Robotic Empire
HEAD OF STATE/GOVERNMENT:Emperor X-5
IDEOLOGY:FASCISM
/PRO-HUMAN/PRO-SYNTH/
/ANTI-ORGANIC/ANTI-TECHNOPHOBIA/

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Postby United Soviet Jason Republic » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:46 pm

Nyte wrote:
Veroxia wrote:Heh,but the Spartans died later..


True... But they killed a hell of a lot more of the enemy before they died. Basically they'll die, but it won't be easily.


The only reason why the Spartans died was become some traitor showed the Persians a way to flank the Spartan position, and the greeks suppose to protect that possible flanking position ran away to defend their town, which was not under attack. If it was not for the Persian Flank, the Spartans would have held out for even longer.
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Nyte
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Postby Nyte » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:49 pm

United Soviet Jason Republic wrote:
Nyte wrote:
True... But they killed a hell of a lot more of the enemy before they died. Basically they'll die, but it won't be easily.


The only reason why the Spartans died was become some traitor showed the Persians a way to flank the Spartan position, and the greeks suppose to protect that possible flanking position ran away to defend their town, which was not under attack. If it was not for the Persian Flank, the Spartans would have held out for even longer.


And I even have just such an issue in my app. (Internal strife/rebellion and all of that which could lead to some interesting situations.)
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Veroxia
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Postby Veroxia » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:50 pm

Yeah,Sparta barely got any help from other City-States. They might've won if they had more support.
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HEAD OF STATE/GOVERNMENT:Emperor X-5
IDEOLOGY:FASCISM
/PRO-HUMAN/PRO-SYNTH/
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Postby Pavlostani » Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:51 pm

Vaxon wrote:
Caecuser wrote:
So many systems? You said 15 to 20 earlier.


15-20 can easily fit 3 trillion. Especially when each system is predicted to have 5-10 planets. This means I have about 200 planets, more or less.

@Yal. You're correct. We can terraform any planet, as long as it's over/under a certain size. If it's bigger than jupiter, we can't do anything with it.
If it's smaller than Venus, we can't do anything with it.


Let's put it this way. 428 Earths would be needed to make a population of three trillion, and with 7 billion on our planet, there are widespread food shortages, environmental catastrophes, poor living conditions, and overall crowding.

The Fallen Jedi wrote:Can i use Star Wars Terms such as Sith, Jedi, Geonosians and all that?


It's probably best if you stay somewhat original... this is OP's decision.

Old Sarthal wrote:It seems we have two general categories of nations in this group at this point, 5-50 billion and 1.5-3 trillion. The interplay should be interesting to say the least.


Wrong, I'm the middle link with 120 billion.

Vaxon wrote:
Caecuser wrote:
Would a solid world of that scale have a ridiculously high level of gravity?


Not really, considering it's moons counter-act most of the gravity.
And remember, I said we can breathe underwater as well. Vaxon is 80% water. Our capital is an underwater paradise.
The water also helps counter the gravity.



...wat.
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