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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:55 pm

Alidina wrote:Also TNF I posted tell me what you think of the revised post.

Looks fine, just a quick question. Are all the ships freighters, and are they all firing at the cruiser that nuked the colony? Also, are there survivors in the nuked colony?
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Postby Alidina » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:58 pm

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Alidina wrote:You can and would willing eat Alien food used by a species with drastically different genetic structure and chemical needs, not to mention chemical tolerances?

If it couldn't be consumed, it would be seized and placed in stasis. If your area wants food, it can stop rebelling and submit. Though ye be not noble of blood, ye may still be noble of heart, and only then shall thou's belly be full.



That would be very easy seeing as most of their food is now grown in large vats in side huge skyscrapper facilities, sieze those and simply shut the doors and you basically shut off the food supply. However they Javakin could still hunt local game and such but the system that supports their population would be out of commission.

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:00 am

Alidina wrote:That would be very easy seeing as most of their food is now grown in large vats in side huge skyscrapper facilities, sieze those and simply shut the doors and you basically shut off the food supply. However they Javakin could still hunt local game and such but the system that supports their population would be out of commission.

Well of course they could still hunt (though hunting without permission of the Order means an immediate execution), but I doubt it would be enough to feed an entire population on a long term basis.
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Postby Voldoviana » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:01 am

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Alidina wrote:That would be very easy seeing as most of their food is now grown in large vats in side huge skyscrapper facilities, sieze those and simply shut the doors and you basically shut off the food supply. However they Javakin could still hunt local game and such but the system that supports their population would be out of commission.

Well of course they could still hunt (though hunting without permission of the Order means an immediate execution), but I doubt it would be enough to feed an entire population on a long term basis.

He also has the aid of a nation with one of its major industries listed as agriculture...

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Postby Alidina » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:02 am

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Alidina wrote:Also TNF I posted tell me what you think of the revised post.

Looks fine, just a quick question. Are all the ships freighters, and are they all firing at the cruiser that nuked the colony? Also, are there survivors in the nuked colony?


No Everyone in the nuked colony is dead, the nuke colony is one of the one on the moon, which was that moons only colony.

The freighters are just floating in space preparing to FTL out of there, the five ships firing at you are small Frigates.


you last post assumes you are already in control of Thali, and Vold should be arriving a few days or weeks into the campaign on Thali.

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:04 am

Voldoviana wrote:He also has the aid of a nation with one of its major industries listed as agriculture...

Planets are treated on a case by case basis. Captured planets have their food sources seized and rationed out to the locals based on good behaviour. It's going to be spectacularly difficult to feed the locals without the Order's will on Order-controlled planets, though you could certainly work out a deal to help feed them.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:05 am

Alidina wrote:you last post assumes you are already in control of Thali, and Vold should be arriving a few days or weeks into the campaign on Thali.

Where does it say I control your capital? I intended no such thing.
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Postby Alidina » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:07 am

Voldoviana wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Well of course they could still hunt (though hunting without permission of the Order means an immediate execution), but I doubt it would be enough to feed an entire population on a long term basis.

He also has the aid of a nation with one of its major industries listed as agriculture...


While the sentiment is nice Im hoping you can distract the invaders long enough they don't completely destroy the food supply, because the Javakin evolved solely as meat eating carnivores.

Im think that whenever the Order enters Thali's system my ship could meet one of your fleets and explain the situation it is hearing about through communications.



The colonies have very small population and are on uninhabitable planets, Thali is the largest concentration of Javakin and is where I assume you'll head once you establish your beach head in the current system.

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Postby Voldoviana » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:09 am

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Voldoviana wrote:He also has the aid of a nation with one of its major industries listed as agriculture...

Planets are treated on a case by case basis. Captured planets have their food sources seized and rationed out to the locals based on good behaviour. It's going to be spectacularly difficult to feed the locals without the Order's will on Order-controlled planets, though you could certainly work out a deal to help feed them.

Huh, well that will be a problem.

Ah well, it'll be figured out when we reinvade. I've been meaning to test out my ground equipment.

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:09 am

Alidina wrote:The colonies have very small population and are on uninhabitable planets, Thali is the largest concentration of Javakin and is where I assume you'll head once you establish your beach head in the current system.

Oh yes, the capital world is exactly where the Order is going to dash for as soon as a beach head is established. Every planet in the way that resists will be pillaged to the fullest extent, but what will be planned for Thali will be particularly grim.
[23:24] <Marquesan> I have the feeling that all the porn videos you watch are like...set to Primus' music, Ulysses.
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Postby Alidina » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:11 am

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Alidina wrote:The colonies have very small population and are on uninhabitable planets, Thali is the largest concentration of Javakin and is where I assume you'll head once you establish your beach head in the current system.

Oh yes, the capital world is exactly where the Order is going to dash for as soon as a beach head is established. Every planet in the way that resists will be pillaged to the fullest extent, but what will be planned for Thali will be particularly grim.

poor fluffy Javakin all they wanted to do was enjoy simple lives and learn, now they are about to have their world flipped over and sell their free governance to another for survival.

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:13 am

Voldoviana wrote:Huh, well that will be a problem.

Ah well, it'll be figured out when we reinvade. I've been meaning to test out my ground equipment.

The Order will be in a bit of a pickle in that situation. By the law of chivalry, the Order is sworn to protect all Krissians under their dominion, be they noble or peasant. So if the locals have converted, the Order will be obliged to fight to the death in order to ensure the Javakin Krissian's safety. . . which is in turn the goal of the attackers.

Of course, non-converted Javakin will see their food sources preemptively destroyed if a planet is invaded, just for the sake of pettiness.

"Thou wants to be free of God's grace? So be it, thou shalt fall upon thine own sword, swung down by the wrathful Famine."
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Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
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Postby Voldoviana » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:16 am

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Voldoviana wrote:Huh, well that will be a problem.

Ah well, it'll be figured out when we reinvade. I've been meaning to test out my ground equipment.

The Order will be in a bit of a pickle in that situation. By the law of chivalry, the Order is sworn to protect all Krissians under their dominion, be they noble or peasant. So if the locals have converted, the Order will be obliged to fight to the death in order to ensure the Javakin Krissian's safety. . . which is in turn the goal of the attackers.

Of course, non-converted Javakin will see their food sources preemptively destroyed if a planet is invaded, just for the sake of pettiness.

"Thou wants to be free of God's grace? So be it, thou shalt fall upon thine own sword, swung down by the wrathful Famine."

Well that's rude as hell.

I'm still deciding though, do I want the opening stages of the ground invasion to be a raid on Order strongpoints ala Starship Troopers, with men dropping from orbit, or should it be regrouping with friendly Jakavin forces and then advancing...

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Postby Canuckland » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:19 am

Vold, remember, we're allies too. If you need help, comeby New Canuckland and talk to the Prime Minister.
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Postby Alidina » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:22 am

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Voldoviana wrote:Huh, well that will be a problem.

Ah well, it'll be figured out when we reinvade. I've been meaning to test out my ground equipment.

The Order will be in a bit of a pickle in that situation. By the law of chivalry, the Order is sworn to protect all Krissians under their dominion, be they noble or peasant. So if the locals have converted, the Order will be obliged to fight to the death in order to ensure the Javakin Krissian's safety. . . which is in turn the goal of the attackers.

Of course, non-converted Javakin will see their food sources preemptively destroyed if a planet is invaded, just for the sake of pettiness.

"Thou wants to be free of God's grace? So be it, thou shalt fall upon thine own sword, swung down by the wrathful Famine."

without the ever looming threat of being gun down the Javakin population and related game of the rest of the planet, should be able to support their population if 75% turn to hunting and herding again. The Javakin population centers are spread out enough they shouldn't hunt the area to extinction and by the time it becomes of problem if they are free they would have repair the food growing facilities.




It depends on where the order concentrates its invasion if its spread it out to much then regroup with semi-organized militias are possible. If troops were concentrated on one of the three major tribal-nation it depends on which one. If its duri or Admir expect Organized Militia from the Jenri Tribe preemptively attacking with little to no organized resistance in Duri and a little resistance in Admir. If the Order focuses on Jenri expect the possibility of contact Admir or Duri which would be huddling up their defense and simi organized Militias from Jenri resisting.

Jenri can be considered the most militant with Admir falling close behind, Duri is the technology center while Admir is the Production center.

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:23 am

Voldoviana wrote:Well that's rude as hell.

That's medieval warfare for you. Wait until you see what the Order is going to do to Thali.

I'm still deciding though, do I want the opening stages of the ground invasion to be a raid on Order strongpoints ala Starship Troopers, with men dropping from orbit, or should it be regrouping with friendly Jakavin forces and then advancing...

Whatever you do, don't let your first battle end up like the First Battle of Klendathu.

Additionally, a full victory won't even relieve the Javakin's suffering very much. If it is believed that either defeat is looming or victory will come at too high a cost, the Order will loot every occupied planet under its dominion of everything deemed valuable, take as many slaves as can be held, extend an offer to take newly converted Javakin Krissians with them, kill off as many non-converted Javakin as possible, and then burn everything deemed of value to the Javakin and the enemy that can be reached. Every planet will be made as worthless to the enemy as possible, usually through the spreading of plague, the destruction of food sources, and the dismantling of infrastructure.

That's just the sort of folks the Chivalric Order is made up of. If you are the same religion, they will sally forth and protect you from every threat. If not, they will do everything in their power to ensure your life is as short and miserable as is possible.
[23:24] <Marquesan> I have the feeling that all the porn videos you watch are like...set to Primus' music, Ulysses.
Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .
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Postby Voldoviana » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:27 am

Canuckland wrote:Vold, remember, we're allies too. If you need help, comeby New Canuckland and talk to the Prime Minister.

Well, I'm also planning on supplying you in your war with the Order. The Jakavin are just a reason to jump headfirst into it. You'll be getting railgun tanks soon. Actual Coalition boots on the ground may come later.

Also for TNF, yeah, I'm not going to turn this into Operation Bughouse. However, I think a quick and dirty raid is the way to go. I can only deploy ground troops once the sky is clear, and I need to save as many Jakavin lives as possible. I'm operating on a limited timeframe, so I need boots on the ground assaulting the Order ASAP once this moves groundside.

However (I say that a lot, don't I?), that gives better reason for the Jakavin to become the Coalition's client state: their homeworld is in ruins, their population is decimated, and their people are starving. And wouldn't you know, the people who just came to save them are offering food, space, and friends...

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:29 am

Voldoviana wrote:However (I say that a lot, don't I?), that gives better reason for the Jakavin to become the Coalition's client state: their homeworld is in ruins, their population is decimated, and their people are starving. And wouldn't you know, the people who just came to save them are offering food, space, and friends...

So you will vassalize the primitives, then?

The Order may very well let you help clean up while it catches it breath. After all, there can always be a Second Javakin Crusade.
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[23:24] <Marquesan> I have the feeling that all the porn videos you watch are like...set to Primus' music, Ulysses.
Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .
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Postby Canuckland » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:31 am

Voldoviana wrote:
Canuckland wrote:Vold, remember, we're allies too. If you need help, comeby New Canuckland and talk to the Prime Minister.

Well, I'm also planning on supplying you in your war with the Order. The Jakavin are just a reason to jump headfirst into it. You'll be getting railgun tanks soon. Actual Coalition boots on the ground may come later.

Also for TNF, yeah, I'm not going to turn this into Operation Bughouse. However, I think a quick and dirty raid is the way to go. I can only deploy ground troops once the sky is clear, and I need to save as many Jakavin lives as possible. I'm operating on a limited timeframe, so I need boots on the ground assaulting the Order ASAP once this moves groundside.

However (I say that a lot, don't I?), that gives better reason for the Jakavin to become the Coalition's client state: their homeworld is in ruins, their population is decimated, and their people are starving. And wouldn't you know, the people who just came to save them are offering food, space, and friends...

We need an anti-Order alliance, seeing as they are cleansing more worlds than we can replace this early in the game.
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Postby Alidina » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:31 am

I would like to point out that if the Ali space Station above thali is threatened it will simply lock it self down and watch things unfold, so even if most of Thali is destroyed the station will remain intact. This has no baring on what is going to happen, just the fact that a million of so Javakin are living inside of a city sized station will be protected by powerful shields but no way to influence what is happening outside.

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:32 am

Canuckland wrote:We need an anti-Order alliance, seeing as they are cleansing more worlds than we can replace this early in the game.

To be fair, you can generally pay off the Order and it will stop.
[23:24] <Marquesan> I have the feeling that all the porn videos you watch are like...set to Primus' music, Ulysses.
Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .
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Postby Ralnis » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:33 am

Now I wonder where the Tesla Confederacy falls in line with this whole war( if I can manage to get accepted)
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Postby Voldoviana » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:34 am

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Voldoviana wrote:However (I say that a lot, don't I?), that gives better reason for the Jakavin to become the Coalition's client state: their homeworld is in ruins, their population is decimated, and their people are starving. And wouldn't you know, the people who just came to save them are offering food, space, and friends...

So you will vassalize the primitives, then?

The Order may very well let you help clean up while it catches it breath. After all, there can always be a Second Javakin Crusade.

No so much vassalize, but...actually, yeah, that's a really good way of putting it. They're autonomous, but they owe us their fealty.

We'll help rebuild, but remember this is only one battle. Wars tend to last several.

And Canuckland, I'd join. It might be the start of a more permanent NATO-style organization.

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Postby Alidina » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:37 am

Canuckland wrote:We need an anti-Order alliance, seeing as they are cleansing more worlds than we can replace this early in the game.


a few decades down the road when the Javakin get their wits about them they are going to go all out and the Order and make their very best attempt at slamming intolerance down the Orders throats along with a hefty supply of iron. They will gladly be joining any alliance against the people they will blame for everything that goes wrong for the next century. The Javakin may not know war or genocide but it seams the order is going to give them an up close and personal view of just how viscous a sapient species can be when it sets its mind to it.
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Postby Voldoviana » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:40 am

Alidina wrote:
Canuckland wrote:We need an anti-Order alliance, seeing as they are cleansing more worlds than we can replace this early in the game.


a few decades down the road when the Javakin get their wits about them they are going to go all out and the Order and make their very best attempt at slamming intolerance down the Orders throats along with a hefty supply of iron. They will gladly be joining any alliance against the people they will blame for everything that goes wrong for the next century. The Javakin may not know war or genocide but it seams the order is going to give them an up close and personal view of just how viscous a sapient species can be when it sets its mind to it.

And the Coalition will provide you with the means and skills to get back at them.

For a margin fee, of course.

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