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Postby Nore Empire » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:26 pm

This post is necessary:

The ability of foresight was perhaps universal to the Jedi or Force-sensitives and was manifested in the form of Force visions of future events, or helped the Jedi predict his opponent's movements.

From the Wiki, they can't predict the moves/movements of others, they can only form Force visions of future events. There are only four people capable of doing this and sometimes it takes a day of meditation to do so.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:26 pm

Nore Empire wrote:How is it OP?

You can't see how 'immune to all disease' is OP? Honestly?

Each individual cell of theirs acts as something that pushes out disease, it's hard to explain for me for some weird reason.

So they have an immune system, just like everyone else. What exactly makes it so they're immune to disease?

There ARE ways they can be affected by it though, they have the capability to breath, and since that/meditation are a large part of their culture they can be affected by toxins and disease IF they decide to breath. If their lungs got punctured/eroded they would suffer and possibly die from it, because despite the need to breath not being necessary they are nearly identical to humans and it can and will affect them the same way it does humans.

So they're immune to disease except when they aren't, and they don't need to breathe but they still somehow evolved lungs?

If they don't need to breathe, how do they take in their respiratory gas? Do they absorb it through their skin?
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Postby Nore Empire » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:27 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Nore Empire wrote:How is it OP?

You can't see how 'immune to all disease' is OP? Honestly?

Each individual cell of theirs acts as something that pushes out disease, it's hard to explain for me for some weird reason.

So they have an immune system, just like everyone else. What exactly makes it so they're immune to disease?

There ARE ways they can be affected by it though, they have the capability to breath, and since that/meditation are a large part of their culture they can be affected by toxins and disease IF they decide to breath. If their lungs got punctured/eroded they would suffer and possibly die from it, because despite the need to breath not being necessary they are nearly identical to humans and it can and will affect them the same way it does humans.

So they're immune to disease except when they aren't, and they don't need to breathe but they still somehow evolved lungs?

If they don't need to breathe, how do they take in their respiratory gas? Do they absorb it through their skin?


They don't have a respiratory gas, what part of "don't need to breath" do you fail to understand? Their cells literally kill and absorb diseases and become immune to them...permanently

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:28 pm

Nore Empire wrote:I didn't say read the post, I said read what was inside of the link. It would help, then I could explain how they are different/less ridiculous and corny.

The link slows down my computer and takes a long time to load. You could just, you know, explain what they do since they're toned down, instead of making the rest of us just sort of fucking guess.
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Postby Nore Empire » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:29 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Nore Empire wrote:I didn't say read the post, I said read what was inside of the link. It would help, then I could explain how they are different/less ridiculous and corny.

The link slows down my computer and takes a long time to load. You could just, you know, explain what they do since they're toned down, instead of making the rest of us just sort of fucking guess.


...

Fine, hold on.

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:30 pm

Nore Empire wrote:They don't have a respiratory gas, what part of "don't need to breath" do you fail to understand?

So if they don't need to fucking breathe, why do they have lungs?

Their cells literally kill and absorb diseases and become immune to them...permanently

That doesn't really make any sense, though. And seems incredibly overpowered.
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Postby Nore Empire » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:35 pm

Force Listening provides increased hearing capabilities--do I need to tone this one down? It is essentially a hearing aid >.>'

Force Meld melds the mind of two force sensitive's to draw strength from each other, though after use they are exhausted which is why only Masters are capable of using it, and even then they are exhausted to the point of collapse

Precognition--already explained that they are ONLY able to get force visions through meditation[which can go on for hours or days] or through dreams about future events, not actions

Shatterpoint--I am removing this one

Psychometry--they are able to touch an item and learn its history, though with Nore the specifics are taken out and the ONLY piece of information they get from it is a face without a name, literally, this is only usable by 12 people after an edit

Farsight--didn't I take this out?

Force Sight--the ability to increase the clarity with which you physically see, the distance at which you see, the ability to see in low light, and overall it enhances the sense of sight

Force Vision--removed

Telepathy--ability to interact with another's mind--the Nore are only capable of communicating with consent
-Comprehend speech--ability to understand another person even if they are speaking in another language via a telepathic link

Shadow Vision--Users of the ability could use the Force to gain low-light vision, allowing them to ignore the concealment of others, specifically those rendered invisible. --Making this only usable by the royal family, they get this :P, maybe the queen, not sure
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Postby Nore Empire » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:36 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Nore Empire wrote:They don't have a respiratory gas, what part of "don't need to breath" do you fail to understand?

So if they don't need to fucking breathe, why do they have lungs?

Their cells literally kill and absorb diseases and become immune to them...permanently

That doesn't really make any sense, though. And seems incredibly overpowered.


They have lungs because they are descended from Humans! The lungs just didn't evolve out! GAH!

...How does it not make sense, how is it OPed? Elaborate and try to have a reason.

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Postby Nore Empire » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:36 pm

To anyone that thinks this is development, it isn't. I am slowly but surely getting closer to bursting with anger.

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Postby Caecuser » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:38 pm

Nore! Stop spamming the thread with your triple-posting, double-posting is bad enough.

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Postby Nore Empire » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:39 pm

Caecuser wrote:Nore! Stop spamming the thread with your triple-posting, double-posting is bad enough.


Okay, okay. At least I have reasons!

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Postby Caecuser » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:41 pm

Nore Empire wrote:
Caecuser wrote:Nore! Stop spamming the thread with your triple-posting, double-posting is bad enough.


Okay, okay. At least I have reasons!


Nope, because you can get everything you need to say in a single post, or edit it in later.

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:43 pm

Nore Empire wrote:They have lungs because they are descended from Humans! The lungs just didn't evolve out! GAH!

So if they're descendend from humans, why do they not need to breathe? What in fuck's name happened to them that spurred evolution to make it optional? And why are the lungs even there? And on top of that, if they don't have a respiratory gas, how do their bodies work? If they have human-like biology, but don't need fucking oxygen, they're not very human, are they?

...How does it not make sense, how is it OPed? Elaborate and try to have a reason.

Because it means they can't be affected by any disease, ever. No matter if they've never come into contact with it. Which is, itself, bollocks. It doesn't make sense how that is possible. All biological lifeforms are capable of being infected by disease, because diseases adapt and no immune system is perfect.
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Postby Nore Empire » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:46 pm

Formula by which I got how many force sensitive's I have in my MILITARY, not population, including the military academy which trains force sensitive's

I have a 120,000,000,000 person population, 8 billion people per system, 15 systems, that equals 120,000,000,000

5%[my military size] of 120,000,000,000 is 6,000,000,000 and per every 1 million there are 2 force sensitive's

6,000,000,000 / 1,000,000,000 = 6000, that is 6000 million

6000 / 2 = 3,000

In total there are 3,000 force sensitive's in a population of 120 billion, in a military of 6 billion. Is this too much, did I do calculations wrong, do I need to lower it?

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Nore Empire wrote:They have lungs because they are descended from Humans! The lungs just didn't evolve out! GAH!

So if they're descendend from humans, why do they not need to breathe? What in fuck's name happened to them that spurred evolution to make it optional? And why are the lungs even there? And on top of that, if they don't have a respiratory gas, how do their bodies work? If they have human-like biology, but don't need fucking oxygen, they're not very human, are they?

...How does it not make sense, how is it OPed? Elaborate and try to have a reason.

Because it means they can't be affected by any disease, ever. No matter if they've never come into contact with it. Which is, itself, bollocks. It doesn't make sense how that is possible. All biological lifeforms are capable of being infected by disease, because diseases adapt and no immune system is perfect.


I don't like your attitude. I don't like you. I am getting stressed. I also am spewing shit out to get you to SHUT UP and stop confusing me.
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Postby Caecuser » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:50 pm

Well, Nore, that last post may have reaffirmed my vote against you. People's attitude and level of maturity mean a lot here - to me at least.

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Postby Nore Empire » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:50 pm

They didn't descend from humans, they have lungs because it was engineered into them due to their obsession with humanity! They also mass-engineered the whole race to be able to fight off all diseases. They have manipulated themselves to the point that they aren't even the original Nore anymore. Their current capabilities and the fact that there are multiple Nore races and sub-races are a result of this. Does this explain it?!

I have to go check if I took my meds, excuse me.

Caecuser wrote:Well, Nore, that last post may have reaffirmed my vote against you. People's attitude and level of maturity mean a lot here - to me at least.


I made it obvious I wanted to move forward and that what was happening was not progressive and made me angry, yet they continued When people ask me questions I get mad for reasons that I am unaware of, I do not like constantly being asked the same thing, I have issues explaining things and get stressed over trying to make things perfect, right now I don't want perfect, I want right!
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:55 pm

Nore Empire wrote:They didn't descend from humans, they have lungs because it was engineered into them due to their obsession with humanity! They also mass-engineered the whole race to be able to fight off all diseases. They have manipulated themselves to the point that they aren't even the original Nore anymore. Their current capabilities and the fact that there are multiple Nore races and sub-races are a result of this. Does this explain it?!

Oh really?

Nore Empire wrote:They have lungs because they are descended from Humans!


And yes, it explains it. It just doesn't make it any less overpowered.
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Postby Nore Empire » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:56 pm

I don't even know why I am doing this. TRA said he was fine with it, so I am just going to work with him on my application and ignore Nuclear Fist's "helping"[it isn't helping, it is doing the opposite of helping!]. He said he was fine with it, Nuclear fist isn't a council member, so it doesn't matter if he cares or not, a Council member is fine with it.

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Nore Empire wrote:They didn't descend from humans, they have lungs because it was engineered into them due to their obsession with humanity! They also mass-engineered the whole race to be able to fight off all diseases. They have manipulated themselves to the point that they aren't even the original Nore anymore. Their current capabilities and the fact that there are multiple Nore races and sub-races are a result of this. Does this explain it?!

Oh really?

Nore Empire wrote:They have lungs because they are descended from Humans!


And yes, it explains it. It just doesn't make it any less overpowered.


I have made it evident this is making the situation worse, I have even blatantly said this isn't helping and that I was already getting help from an actual council member. I have no idea why I got angry, so I apologize, but I made it clear that I was getting angry and you continued. Stop, now.

Edit: TRA said I made improvements, I have made further improvements by removing the portion about Psionics.
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Postby Nore Empire » Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:05 pm

The Rebel Alliances wrote:I wont promise the others will like it but I will work with you. But i am just one council member.

If you really want to keep the 'Force' you should remove the psionics. Like you suggested. But using the force means that all the other players have to accept its existence in some way even if they dont use it. So We need to clarify a few things.

First: What is the source of you particular 'Force'? I would recommend something that is unique to your species rather than the explanation used in Star Wars.

Second: We should clarify exactly what your force abilities can do. Because some force abilities are rather quite OP in any RP other than a Star Wars. And I believe you said it would be a toned down version. So we should clarify what and how it is toned down.

As for you list. Precognition and battle precognition strike me as a no. And some of these such as Force Meld and Psychometry I am unfamilier with.

I am not so big on Dark Side powers. More of a Jedi guy myself. So forgive my ignorance.


I apologize for bursting, but please take into account the fact that I asked Nuclear Fist to stop "helping" and said that it wasn't progressive and that I was getting angry.

To the first part: Not sure, maybe it is a part of their genetic modifications! They can utilize their brain waves OR maybe their modifications allow them to manifest energy to use The Force, I am still confused about how that would work...is there a physicist, engineer, or some other kind of genius with a degree with an imagination here?

To the second part: The "absolutely" OPed ones are being removed by myself and after debating with you, and only you, about the others we will either accept, extensively modify, or totally scrap some.

We have already been over the other parts and I put them in the nation app!

Edit: Okay, NOW they're in the app. Again, I apologize for the way I acted and I have taken my medication >.>'
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Postby The Rebel Alliances » Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:08 pm

Nore Empire wrote:I don't even know why I am doing this. TRA said he was fine with it, so I am just going to work with him on my application and ignore Nuclear Fist's "helping"[it isn't helping, it is doing the opposite of helping!]. He said he was fine with it, Nuclear fist isn't a council member, so it doesn't matter if he cares or not, a Council member is fine with it.

The Nuclear Fist wrote:Oh really?



And yes, it explains it. It just doesn't make it any less overpowered.


I have made it evident this is making the situation worse, I have even blatantly said this isn't helping and that I was already getting help from an actual council member. I have no idea why I got angry, so I apologize, but I made it clear that I was getting angry and you continued. Stop, now.

Edit: TRA said I made improvements, I have made further improvements by removing the portion about Psionics.


I said I was on the fence. And yes removing the psionics was a start. And the amount of Force Sensatives is acceptable somewhat. The rarity of them and the toned down abilities help.

But we still need to explain the source of how they can harness the force. I still have a couple things I want to work out but we can start with this. Also, not only do you need my vote, but two other council votes.
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Postby Nore Empire » Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:09 pm

Nore Empire wrote:
The Rebel Alliances wrote:I wont promise the others will like it but I will work with you. But i am just one council member.

If you really want to keep the 'Force' you should remove the psionics. Like you suggested. But using the force means that all the other players have to accept its existence in some way even if they dont use it. So We need to clarify a few things.

First: What is the source of you particular 'Force'? I would recommend something that is unique to your species rather than the explanation used in Star Wars.

Second: We should clarify exactly what your force abilities can do. Because some force abilities are rather quite OP in any RP other than a Star Wars. And I believe you said it would be a toned down version. So we should clarify what and how it is toned down.

As for you list. Precognition and battle precognition strike me as a no. And some of these such as Force Meld and Psychometry I am unfamilier with.

I am not so big on Dark Side powers. More of a Jedi guy myself. So forgive my ignorance.


I apologize for bursting, but please take into account the fact that I asked Nuclear Fist to stop "helping" and said that it wasn't progressive and that I was getting angry.

To the first part: Not sure, maybe it is a part of their genetic modifications! They can utilize their brain waves OR maybe their modifications allow them to manifest energy to use The Force, I am still confused about how that would work...is there a physicist, engineer, or some other kind of genius with a degree with an imagination here?

To the second part: The "absolutely" OPed ones are being removed by myself and after debating with you, and only you, about the others we will either accept, extensively modify, or totally scrap some.

We have already been over the other parts and I put them in the nation app!

Edit: Okay, NOW they're in the app. Again, I apologize for the way I acted and I have taken my medication >.>'


This >.>' We can work it out from the stuff above, first source then the force powers themselves.

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Postby The Rebel Alliances » Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:13 pm

The only thing I can think of is something like Biotics from Mass Effect. Exposure to a certain element native to your space and could have potentially deadly side effects. I think that is an even trade off for the enhanced benefits.

Would you trade the Force for the Biotics like abilities of Mass Effect? That may be much more acceptable.
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Postby Nore Empire » Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:15 pm

The Rebel Alliances wrote:The only thing I can think of is something like Biotics from Mass Effect. Exposure to a certain element native to your space and could have potentially deadly side effects. I think that is an even trade off for the enhanced benefits.

Would you trade the Force for the Biotics like abilities of Mass Effect? That may be much more acceptable.


*Now has a Prototype-like race idea O.O' IDK why.*

I don't know what that is, link please?

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Postby Nore Empire » Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:15 pm

Nore Empire wrote:
The Rebel Alliances wrote:The only thing I can think of is something like Biotics from Mass Effect. Exposure to a certain element native to your space and could have potentially deadly side effects. I think that is an even trade off for the enhanced benefits.

Would you trade the Force for the Biotics like abilities of Mass Effect? That may be much more acceptable.


*Now has a Prototype-like race idea O.O' IDK why.*

I don't know what that is, link please?


Or I could just make one part of the race able to use The Force, one able to use Biotics, both vulnerable to the element native to my space!

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:17 pm

The Rebel Alliances wrote:The only thing I can think of is something like Biotics from Mass Effect. Exposure to a certain element native to your space and could have potentially deadly side effects. I think that is an even trade off for the enhanced benefits.

Would you trade the Force for the Biotics like abilities of Mass Effect? That may be much more acceptable.


Hah. Bioethics are just space magic.
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