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Postby Sri Tschow » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:18 pm

1st option. It looks pretty.
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Postby Inoroth » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:55 pm

@Mish and Inesea -- In what Inesean city would the Golden Crystal have their national offices? I would like to make a post on Inesea's Civil War about dwindling food reserves for the relief efforts, but I need to know where those offices are.
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:56 pm

Inoroth wrote:@Mish and Inesea -- In what Inesean city would the Golden Crystal have their national offices? I would like to make a post on Inesea's Civil War about dwindling food reserves for the relief efforts, but I need to know where those offices are.

None yet. They come after the war.
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Postby Cygnar » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:57 pm

1st option is better
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Postby Inoroth » Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:02 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:
Inoroth wrote:@Mish and Inesea -- In what Inesean city would the Golden Crystal have their national offices? I would like to make a post on Inesea's Civil War about dwindling food reserves for the relief efforts, but I need to know where those offices are.

None yet. They come after the war.


You mean, there are no Golden Crystal Operatives in Inesea at all right now? Even though there is a massive food shortage and riots? That sounds weird to me, but oh well.
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Postby Mishmahig » Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:03 pm

Inoroth wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:None yet. They come after the war.


You mean, there are no Golden Crystal Operatives in Inesea at all right now? Even though there is a massive food shortage and riots? That sounds weird to me, but oh well.


There'd be a small regional office, but no major presence nor a national organization as yet.

The Crystal is currently focused in Tylos, in the areas around the Promethian RR and the Ankonian Republic, resettling the last of the Voerdish refugees and overseeing the homestead movements.
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:04 pm

Inoroth wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:None yet. They come after the war.


You mean, there are no Golden Crystal Operatives in Inesea at all right now? Even though there is a massive food shortage and riots? That sounds weird to me, but oh well.

I just sent a request in to get GC to come in. The official Inesea Government is cracking down on rioters and shutting down the country to stall riots.
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Postby Inoroth » Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:06 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:
Inoroth wrote:
You mean, there are no Golden Crystal Operatives in Inesea at all right now? Even though there is a massive food shortage and riots? That sounds weird to me, but oh well.

I just sent a request in to get GC to come in. The official Inesea Government is cracking down on rioters and shutting down the country to stall riots.


Okay, so my question now is... what would you like me to do with the GC? I'm kinda lost as to what you're looking for in my RPing of them.
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Postby Mishmahig » Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:07 pm

Inoroth wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:I just sent a request in to get GC to come in. The official Inesea Government is cracking down on rioters and shutting down the country to stall riots.


Okay, so my question now is... what would you like me to do with the GC? I'm kinda lost as to what you're looking for in my RPing of them.


Well, the Civil War will take over a year of bloodshed, and so the GC should be established throughout the nation during (and after) the conflict. Refugee camps, logistics, etc, as well as the Salvation Army protecting civilians from the various forces.

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Postby Inoroth » Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:19 pm

Mishmahig wrote:
Inoroth wrote:
Okay, so my question now is... what would you like me to do with the GC? I'm kinda lost as to what you're looking for in my RPing of them.


Well, the Civil War will take over a year of bloodshed, and so the GC should be established throughout the nation during (and after) the conflict. Refugee camps, logistics, etc, as well as the Salvation Army protecting civilians from the various forces.


So in the here and now, I should simply wait for the war to develop further, then?

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The Holy Dominion of Inesea
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:18 pm

I do believe that the nations that are more inclined towards and practicing of war would fare better than the civilized ones. IE, Khamul would likely fare better than Inoroth in a Zombie Plague.
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Postby Servoth » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:20 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:I do believe that the nations that are more inclined towards and practicing of war would fare better than the civilized ones. IE, Khamul would likely fare better than Inoroth in a Zombie Plague.


How do you think Servoth would fare?
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Postby Cyprum Xecuii » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:24 pm

Damns it Pav. When one hears the order to put one's hands down, there are only 3 choices available:

1. Run for cover and prepare to engage. Or stalemate, depending on how much patience each side has.
2. ADVANCE!
3. Commit suicide to avoid capture.
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Postby Inoroth » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:25 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:I do believe that the nations that are more inclined towards and practicing of war would fare better than the civilized ones. IE, Khamul would likely fare better than Inoroth in a Zombie Plague.


1.) That's a bit random
2.) Does your assessment take into account the Inorothian Militia System?
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:26 pm

Servoth wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:I do believe that the nations that are more inclined towards and practicing of war would fare better than the civilized ones. IE, Khamul would likely fare better than Inoroth in a Zombie Plague.


How do you think Servoth would fare?

See, It would be easier for Khamul to remove the gnashers from the populace, and keep them isolated. Plus the Khamulites are used t living in squalor and having their cities be war zones. And with the Civil War, where your neighbor could become the enemy anyday, it'd be just like the plague. How Servothians would react to having Sollosk or Imperia being open war zones is up to debate. of course, Zombies are retarded, physically incapacitated beings with a low shelf life. It is highly unlikely that the plague would advance at all, 'specially with low international travel.

@Inoroth i just read your post as I was reading Cracked's Articles on zombies
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:29 pm

The converse of this is Amplector has a much higher military infrastructure/ larger armies/ more modern etc. So assuming there is no WWZ Yonkers/Inchon for you, and you your techniques off the bat, you would do better than Khamul would.

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Postby Inoroth » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:37 pm

@Inesea -- I would think that having most men in a nation be armed and possessed with at least a rudimentary understanding of military life would be quite an effective answer to Zombies. Think about it: every town has a large group of men who have rifles and at least occasionally practice with them, who have been taught more or less how to work together as a unit, and how to act as small and independent units of hunter-killers and saboteurs who hide out in the woods and conduct raids... dem zombies would be picked off by ones and twos by booby-traps, marksmen, and concentrated rifle fire.
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:39 pm

Inoroth wrote:@Inesea -- I would think that having most men in a nation be armed and possessed with at least a rudimentary understanding of military life would be quite an effective answer to Zombies. Think about it: every town has a large group of men who have rifles and at least occasionally practice with them, who have been taught more or less how to work together as a unit, and how to act as small and independent units of hunter-killers and saboteurs who hide out in the woods and conduct raids... dem zombies would be picked off by ones and twos by booby-traps, marksmen, and concentrated rifle fire.

Except that it takes a headshot to kill a zombie. Your men aren't ill trained, they are trained to shoot at center of mass. Not headshots. And could you really shoot your own children? Or your spouse? Would you leave your town to defend the Roth, leaving it open to attack?

EDIT: The MU would be off pretty bad in this. Doctrine dictates massed fire and high rates of fire. Religion speaks of awaiting the Resurrection of the Dead and most Regular Units are Orthodox.
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Postby Servoth » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:47 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Except that it takes a headshot to kill a zombie. Your men aren't ill trained, they are trained to shoot at center of mass. Not headshots. And could you really shoot your own children? Or your spouse? Would you leave your town to defend the Roth, leaving it open to attack?

EDIT: The MU would be off pretty bad in this. Doctrine dictates massed fire and high rates of fire. Religion speaks of awaiting the Resurrection of the Dead and most Regular Units are Orthodox.


Fire works well, so does cutting off their limbs.
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:49 pm

Servoth wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Except that it takes a headshot to kill a zombie. Your men aren't ill trained, they are trained to shoot at center of mass. Not headshots. And could you really shoot your own children? Or your spouse? Would you leave your town to defend the Roth, leaving it open to attack?

EDIT: The MU would be off pretty bad in this. Doctrine dictates massed fire and high rates of fire. Religion speaks of awaiting the Resurrection of the Dead and most Regular Units are Orthodox.


Fire works well, so does cutting off their limbs.

Not really. Burning zombies would eventually go out unless constantly lit. If a zombie apoc occurred, I think maybe 45% of the Union would give up their lives to meet the Resurrection of the Dead.
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Postby Inoroth » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:52 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:
Inoroth wrote:@Inesea -- I would think that having most men in a nation be armed and possessed with at least a rudimentary understanding of military life would be quite an effective answer to Zombies. Think about it: every town has a large group of men who have rifles and at least occasionally practice with them, who have been taught more or less how to work together as a unit, and how to act as small and independent units of hunter-killers and saboteurs who hide out in the woods and conduct raids... dem zombies would be picked off by ones and twos by booby-traps, marksmen, and concentrated rifle fire.

Except that it takes a headshot to kill a zombie. Your men aren't ill trained, they are trained to shoot at center of mass. Not headshots. And could you really shoot your own children? Or your spouse? Would you leave your town to defend the Roth, leaving it open to attack?

EDIT: The MU would be off pretty bad in this. Doctrine dictates massed fire and high rates of fire. Religion speaks of awaiting the Resurrection of the Dead and most Regular Units are Orthodox.


Inesea, how hard is it to switch to head shots when your target is less than 20 feet from you? I'm not a soldier, so I don't know, but I would think that such a mental change would not be so difficult. As far as the human connection (i.e killing your child, etc), I suppose there'd be many incidents where the individual was unable to do so, but since militia units mostly travel in pairs and groups, the odds of both of them choosing to die rather than shoot is lessened. Finally, in a zombie situation, I imagine most towns would keep their militia units to themselves. The primary purpose of the militia is to defend the town in which it is based, while their secondary purpose is to serve as a pool of better-than-average recruits for the main army to draw from when the reserves are dried up during a war with an enemy (wars with Dalruanazkal being the original and classic example). In a zombie outbreak, the militias would be expected to remain at home and protect the people, and the regular army would be expected to go through and clear the countryside of zombies, put up safe zones, and generally do the bulk of the work.
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Postby Servoth » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:52 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Not really. Burning zombies would eventually go out unless constantly lit. If a zombie apoc occurred, I think maybe 45% of the Union would give up their lives to meet the Resurrection of the Dead.


Burning zombies would go out eventually, huh? Ya, after the fire has burned all their flesh and bones. Zombies? 45% of your people would give themselves up to demonic looking zombies? Ugg, religious idiots.
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:56 pm

Servoth wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Not really. Burning zombies would eventually go out unless constantly lit. If a zombie apoc occurred, I think maybe 45% of the Union would give up their lives to meet the Resurrection of the Dead.


Burning zombies would go out eventually, huh? Ya, after the fire has burned all their flesh and bones. Zombies? 45% of your people would give themselves up to demonic looking zombies? Ugg, religious idiots.

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Postby Vitzenburg » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:57 pm

Frankly, the greatest threat that zombies pose to a society is the panic. People dying and waking up is not pleasant. It's pretty unsettling actually, for any human to witness. Sure, people will be effective when they understand what the zombies are, when will that come though? When would people collectively understand what they're dealing with? The beginning, those crucial moments of mobilization will be lost due to not only the zombies but the people themselves. Looting, rioting, mass exodus from affected areas, zombies wouldn't be the only thing to worry about then.

Don't start arguing about headshots and how a military would deal with it until you understand that the masses would cause unequaled amounts of damage. One of the most dangerous situations will be that there is no information about them, and thus rumors will spread about how they're either invincible or some other gobbledygook.

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