Vapor: A Steampunk RP Region (OOC v.3.0 -- CLOSED)

[Sri Tschow]

You translated wrong. Some words are the first two letters, some only the first. Try again.

Mmm, hmm, your code needs "common sense" huh? No, it needs regulation and proper construction. There is no proper way to figure out which letters are to be used and are not to be used. Try again.

That's not true. Send a message in my code. I'll decipher it. Use the first one or two letters of every word in the message, like this

SALSA
MPERRY
LEXINGTON

Would translate to

SAMPLE

Of course, sometimes it's only the first letter of a word. Watch out for that. Ex:

SALSA
MARYLAND
PEOPLE
LEEWAY

Would still be

SAMPLE

[Servoth]

Sri, you often one do this, so I will tell you here and now. You are the type of person that makes something and believes it to be the Ritz of everything around, despite it being flawed, horribly. Now will you buck up and fix your damn code?

[Sri Tschow]

Very well.

Temporary:

Dat ass is mui SimCity potato cheesecake.

I am fixing my code.

Scratch that, I'm lazy, I'll do it tomorrow. For now:

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I KNOW THAT THIS IS PATHETIC. BUT I LIKE ASCII ART. NO MATTER HOW DUMB IT LOOKS.

[Cyprum Xecuii]

Posted on SAW.

Yeah, continuing to stop the momentum. Either something interesting happens, or Nozomu will simply continue doing stupid things akin to what she does in this post.

[Servoth]

Yeah, to make sure I don't "forget", I need to put a post on the AC and respond to Wirbel on V-land.

[Cygnar]

Guys, I havent been able to be online for much time these days, so am I needed to post anywhere? I will try to remain as active as possible if school lets me

[Novairia]

7 calves down, 40 more to go.

You fail to see that is not A_F a c t .

Servoth is correct. The Pact is far from assured at this point in the conference.

No, im afraid that Sri is right.. even if the entire peace pow-wow flopped and war broke out, Pavlostan and Sri have "The Pact" signed. As such it would be a shit show between AMEN vs Nov +/- Cyprum. Sri is semi-insulated from this now, no matter which way it wiggles.

SAW post up.

[Inoroth]

@Cyprum -

Saying "You made the mishmahig angry" isn't verbally ergonomic though.

Verbally ergonomic... I like that phrase. Spot on and good show!

@Inesea -

No. But I will take it if needed.

Well, no one else seems to want it either: therefore, you may have it. I'll TG you Actually, I've posted the stuff I've been able to scrounge about Dal's culture and such on the Clash Thread, but it's not much. Actually, I do remember him making a map with major cities on it, but I can't find it anywhere So, you have a clean slate in naming his cities and such.

@Cygnar - No problemo... btw's, are we finished with the Cygnar Welcome Thread? I think that one ought to be moved to "finished".

@Nov -

No, im afraid that Sri is right.. even if the entire peace pow-wow flopped and war broke out, Pavlostan and Sri have "The Pact" signed. As such it would be a shit show between AMEN vs Nov +/- Cyprum. Sri is semi-insulated from this now, no matter which way it wiggles.

Agreed - AMEN is on the way out: Mish politics are swayed against it (according to her posts, anyways), Ineseans are no doubt upset they a flimsy agreement was all that bound them to protect the genocidal Khamul (now Pavlostani, but still), and Sri doesn't want to join AMEN for whatever reason.

The Pact, however, does not have the negative connotations of AMEN, is already supported by both Sri and Inesea, and it offers all the benefits to the old AMEN nations. I think that, at this point, we have at assume that the Pact, in some form, is here to stay.

[Cyprum Xecuii]

@Cyprum -

Saying "You made the mishmahig angry" isn't verbally ergonomic though.

Verbally ergonomic... I like that phrase. Spot on and good show!

When I posted that sentence, I had my doubts as to whether it would make sense or not. I just assumed that ergonomic refers to how well one's workspace is in terms of efficency and comfort. From this, I guessed that it wouldn't be efficent nor comfortable to say "You made the 'person's name' angry" as compared to simply "You made 'person's name' angry". The "the" seemed redundant/out of place to me.

It would make sense if one said "You made the lion angry", but lion is a general term for that animal, rather than a specific name for one lion.

[Inoroth]

@Cyprum - Well, "verbal ergonomics" is a phrase that sounds different enough to pop out, yet it actually is grammatically correct; that's why I found it appealing.

[Sri Tschow]

I hereby declare that The Pact will be The Pacific-AMEN Cooperation Treaty (P.A.C.T.)

[Mishmahig]

Servoth is correct. The Pact is far from assured at this point in the conference.

No, im afraid that Sri is right.. even if the entire peace pow-wow flopped and war broke out, Pavlostan and Sri have "The Pact" signed. As such it would be a shit show between AMEN vs Nov +/- Cyprum. Sri is semi-insulated from this now, no matter which way it wiggles.

SAW post up.

The 'Pact' (can we please come up with a different name?) has only been ratified and signed by Sri Tschow. As of now, no other nation, including Pavlostani or Inesea, have signed and ratified the treaty, which means that the Pact can still be easily derailed, or end up being much, much, much weaker than AMEN was.

The problem is, for some reason, both Cyprum and Novairia refuse to consider joining it, which is essentially unacceptable in terms of pan-Zhaoian interests. I mean, look at it logically--by joining the 'Pact', you can gain greater economic dominance, regional security, and a sphere of influence that you can flex your muscles in with no adverse consequences. Don't join the 'Pact', and you risk being pulled into a war, like Novairia has been, and having the other nations of the region simply sweep past you in terms of power and stability, leaving you behind.

[Inoroth]

@Sri - I also thought up:

"Pan-Asian Cooperative Treaty"

and

"Partnership of AMEN and Cooperative Territories"

@Mish -

The 'Pact' (can we please come up with a different name?) has only been ratified and signed by Sri Tschow. As of now, no other nation, including Pavlostani or Inesea, have signed and ratified the treaty, which means that the Pact can still be easily derailed, or end up being much, much, much weaker than AMEN was.

The problem is, for some reason, both Cyprum and Novairia refuse to consider joining it, which is essentially unacceptable in terms of pan-Zhaoian interests. I mean, look at it logically--by joining the 'Pact', you can gain greater economic dominance, regional security, and a sphere of influence that you can flex your muscles in with no adverse consequences. Don't join the 'Pact', and you risk being pulled into a war, like Novairia has been, and having the other nations of the region simply sweep past you in terms of power and stability, leaving you behind.

Well, Sri has basically joined the AMEN powerblock, on condition that it be renamed. And, as I've said before, there are several forces within the member nations of AMEN that would welcome a name change to pacify domestic concerns... so in my mind, "The Pact" is pretty well established.

As for a nation not wishing to join the Pact, this is 1900, not 1950: Nationalism IRL was at an all time high then, Tariffs protected home industries from foreign ones to keep jobs, and the mood of the day was that one nation's gain had to result in another nation's loss - as if there were a finite amount of gain on the planet, and it passed hands back and forth. National Governments built alliances with care, especially economic ones, because if they weren't careful they could lessen their nation's power to more cunning foreign diplomats.

World government was not something practical leaders considered then, because there was so much division and competition between countries. The failed League of Nations that followed WWI in 1919 was a tiny baby-step towards the whole idea of "globalism" that everyone takes for granted today - and the League failed from lack of interest and support. Not until after WWII and nuclear weapons was a supra-national government effectively (well, that point is really debatable) established. So, it is perfectly in character and appropriate for nations to be leery of, and even flat out deny, supra-natural jurisdiction over their sovereign lands by powers whose interest in their well-being is questionable.

Then, there's the fact that they just freaking fought a supra-national collection of nations, so there' no doubt bad blood at some level. They may make peace with you after a fight, but it is unfair for you to expect them to become your friends so soon after.

Basically, I can understand Mrs. Silvak's and (to a lesser extent) Mrs. Nozumu's respective positions at the conference.

[Cyprum Xecuii]

You pay a paltry sum, move troops out of an area you had no business occupying in the first place, and simply return to the status quo that prompted this war in the first place?

That's exactly what we're doing lol. Yet, no one appears distraught at our movement into Khamul in the first place [I guess besides those living in Khamul...]

@'Pact' name: In the venn diagram I did several pages ago, I decided that Cycuiians would call it Darekotashiki Rosen. Turns out that the entire phrase is craptasical so yeah, you guys need to think of a better name than my 'word' and simply "Pact".

Ino is getting there at the name, but it's still generic. Besides, Cooperative is metaphorically like my Co-operation projects and I don't want my presence in the name if it's supposed to be sort of an equal alliance.


@Ino: Miss Nozomu, not Mrs. She doesn't have to marry because she can grow another Nozomu out of her finger! Tis some grotesque asexual reproduction for ya!

[Mishmahig]

@Mish -

The 'Pact' (can we please come up with a different name?) has only been ratified and signed by Sri Tschow. As of now, no other nation, including Pavlostani or Inesea, have signed and ratified the treaty, which means that the Pact can still be easily derailed, or end up being much, much, much weaker than AMEN was.

The problem is, for some reason, both Cyprum and Novairia refuse to consider joining it, which is essentially unacceptable in terms of pan-Zhaoian interests. I mean, look at it logically--by joining the 'Pact', you can gain greater economic dominance, regional security, and a sphere of influence that you can flex your muscles in with no adverse consequences. Don't join the 'Pact', and you risk being pulled into a war, like Novairia has been, and having the other nations of the region simply sweep past you in terms of power and stability, leaving you behind.

Well, Sri has basically joined the AMEN powerblock, on condition that it be renamed. And, as I've said before, there are several forces within the member nations of AMEN that would welcome a name change to pacify domestic concerns... so in my mind, "The Pact" is pretty well established.

As long as it's an acronym or something, and not simply 'The Pact'.

As for a nation not wishing to join the Pact, this is 1900, not 1950: Nationalism IRL was at an all time high then, Tariffs protected home industries from foreign ones to keep jobs, and the mood of the day was that one nation's gain had to result in another nation's loss - as if there were a finite amount of gain on the planet, and it passed hands back and forth. National Governments built alliances with care, especially economic ones, because if they weren't careful they could lessen their nation's power to more cunning foreign diplomats.

IRL, yes. This is Vapor, where supranational organizations and multi-nation alliances are the norm. I understand and accept your point, but also point out that IRL = Vapor in many cases, but not here.

World government was not something practical leaders considered then, because there was so much division and competition between countries. The failed League of Nations that followed WWI in 1919 was a tiny baby-step towards the whole idea of "globalism" that everyone takes for granted today - and the League failed from lack of interest and support. Not until after WWII and nuclear weapons was a supra-national government effectively (well, that point is really debatable) established. So, it is perfectly in character and appropriate for nations to be leery of, and even flat out deny, supra-natural jurisdiction over their sovereign lands by powers whose interest in their well-being is questionable.

Supranational organizations, not supranational governance or jurisdiction. They're not agreeing to unite in a world government, like the European Union, but are instead working together (as separate nations) in an organized forum that allows them to peacefully air and iron out their disagreements. They also use this forum to forge links within the region that strengthen their nation and the region overall, while having their security guaranteed by the entire region.

Then, there's the fact that they just freaking fought a supra-national collection of nations, so there' no doubt bad blood at some level. They may make peace with you after a fight, but it is unfair for you to expect them to become your friends so soon after.

No. There were two supranational collections fighting each other, AMEN and the Co-Op. Also, we expect them to realize the benefits of the Pact and warily accept, with the bad blood being ameliorated over time.

And if you want to be realistic, the bad blood would be on AMEN's side. Sri harassed Pav and my shipping for years, Novairia entered the war unprovokedly and on a BS reason, destroying an AMEN megaplex and threatening to invade Inesea, and Cyprum invaded Khamul. Compared to that, it's a miracle we're the ones suggesting such an organization.

Basically, I can understand Mrs. Silvak's and (to a lesser extent) Mrs. Nozumu's respective positions at the conference.

I can't.

You pay a paltry sum, move troops out of an area you had no business occupying in the first place, and simply return to the status quo that prompted this war in the first place?

That's exactly what we're doing lol. Yet, no one appears distraught at our movement into Khamul in the first place [I guess besides those living in Khamul...]

Mostly because Marino has no idea what the heck your country wants, is doing, or plans to do. Normally he'd figure it out through your representatives actions/words at the conference, but in this case, Nozumu isn't actually telling him anything. Basically, he's writing off your nation.

Ino is getting there at the name, but it's still generic. Besides, Cooperative is metaphorically like my Co-operation projects and I don't want my presence in the name if it's supposed to be sort of an equal alliance.

It's a regional organization, brought together by promises of mutual security and prosperity for all. To the outside, everyone in the Pact is equal, but within, the powerful nations will still exert massive amounts of influence and whatnot.

[Sri Tschow]

Will have a post up on the SAW soon.

EDIT: Post up on the SAW.

[Cyprum Xecuii]

Mostly because Marino has no idea what the heck your country wants, is doing, or plans to do. Normally he'd figure it out through your representatives actions/words at the conference, but in this case, Nozumu isn't actually telling him anything. Basically, he's writing off your nation.

Nozomu: Wants to go home.
Soldiers in trenches on Khamulian front: Want to go home.
Soldiers stationed in Sri Tschow: Want to go home.

Yep, they all want to go home and back to their lives. Nozomu would say this, however it wouldn't be socially acceptable to do so. The fates of millions rest on the delegate's hands, but the Cycuiian government [including the Autarchess] don't really care because they can quickly repay for the relatively little damage done to Khamul and it can all be over. Nozomu's questioning of the delegates was caused by pressure to say whatever and that we don't know what you guys want from us. If Helgraf told Nozomu that he wanted repatriation of troops and payment for damage done on their land, then she would order for such things to be done. Right now, Silvak and Marino are arguing so all the Autarchess can do is look a picture-book and wait until the two are done. Maybe, Helgraf can immediately demand Nozomu to repair southeast Khamul. If the deal is set with Helgraf, then all that there is left is to make terms for the alliance/pact/cooperation. That is, if we can ever get to it.

[Sri Tschow]

Well, King Amano is talking some sense into Nozumu.

[Cyprum Xecuii]

Lol Sri, you can't just say "We know you guys dislike using big words" because there isn't much real proof. The other delegates are making good assumptions that we don't using large words, but outright telling her isn't going to make things any easier.

Also, the picture book is literally Cycuiian Vapor's version of looking at bunch of 'fail' videos and pictures all in one big compilation. Children's book? Hell no.

@Digging: I agree that is a valid reason to get mad. However, considering that two people died in Sri Tschow, I wouldn't be trying to divert the overall situation now.

Nozomu's likely response, "I don't know."

As I said before, I told you guys she would mess up the conference. Warned ya.

[Mishmahig]

Mostly because Marino has no idea what the heck your country wants, is doing, or plans to do. Normally he'd figure it out through your representatives actions/words at the conference, but in this case, Nozumu isn't actually telling him anything. Basically, he's writing off your nation.

Nozomu: Wants to go home.
Soldiers in trenches on Khamulian front: Want to go home.
Soldiers stationed in Sri Tschow: Want to go home.

Yep, they all want to go home and back to their lives. Nozomu would say this, however it wouldn't be socially acceptable to do so. The fates of millions rest on the delegate's hands, but the Cycuiian government [including the Autarchess] don't really care because they can quickly repay for the relatively little damage done to Khamul and it can all be over. Nozomu's questioning of the delegates was caused by pressure to say whatever and that we don't know what you guys want from us. If Helgraf told Nozomu that he wanted repatriation of troops and payment for damage done on their land, then she would order for such things to be done. Right now, Silvak and Marino are arguing so all the Autarchess can do is look a picture-book and wait until the two are done. Maybe, Helgraf can immediately demand Nozomu to repair southeast Khamul. If the deal is set with Helgraf, then all that there is left is to make terms for the alliance/pact/cooperation. That is, if we can ever get to it.

Realistically, all Mishmahig wants from Cyprum Xecuii is this:

IC: Take a more active role in Zhao/Vapor overall
OOC: Take a more active role in Zhao/Vapor overall

To us, your country's insistence on isolationism makes no sense, especially since you go through spurts of interventionism before falling back into isolationism. It makes you unpredictable, and your lack of ties to anyone makes you more of a rogue agent/loose cannon, which concerns us even further.

Archpriest Baruss is facing what can only be described as Oremism at home, as people begin to question why Mishmahig is allied to/trying to work with people who clearly want nothing to do with us. Should the Pact be proposed, but fall through, then (depending on how I feel at that moment), Mishmahig will either switch spheres of influence or withdraw from a host of agreements.

[Cyprum Xecuii]

Nozomu: Wants to go home.
Soldiers in trenches on Khamulian front: Want to go home.
Soldiers stationed in Sri Tschow: Want to go home.

Yep, they all want to go home and back to their lives. Nozomu would say this, however it wouldn't be socially acceptable to do so. The fates of millions rest on the delegate's hands, but the Cycuiian government [including the Autarchess] don't really care because they can quickly repay for the relatively little damage done to Khamul and it can all be over. Nozomu's questioning of the delegates was caused by pressure to say whatever and that we don't know what you guys want from us. If Helgraf told Nozomu that he wanted repatriation of troops and payment for damage done on their land, then she would order for such things to be done. Right now, Silvak and Marino are arguing so all the Autarchess can do is look a picture-book and wait until the two are done. Maybe, Helgraf can immediately demand Nozomu to repair southeast Khamul. If the deal is set with Helgraf, then all that there is left is to make terms for the alliance/pact/cooperation. That is, if we can ever get to it.

Realistically, all Mishmahig wants from Cyprum Xecuii is this:

IC: Take a more active role in Zhao/Vapor overall
OOC: Take a more active role in Zhao/Vapor overall

To us, your country's insistence on isolationism makes no sense, especially since you go through spurts of interventionism before falling back into isolationism. It makes you unpredictable, and your lack of ties to anyone makes you more of a rogue agent/loose cannon, which concerns us even further.

Archpriest Baruss is facing what can only be described as Oremism at home, as people begin to question why Mishmahig is allied to/trying to work with people who clearly want nothing to do with us. Should the Pact be proposed, but fall through, then (depending on how I feel at that moment), Mishmahig will either switch spheres of influence or withdraw from a host of agreements.

How do I put this? We just like being independent. Doing whatever the hell we feel like doing is what makes us happy. Cycuiian leadership is worried that the pact will restrict what we can and can't do.

What I don't understand is why people worry about our opinion and are scared of us when it's suggested that we're unpredictable, stupid, poor, backwards, and so on. So we have a bunch of people, oh well, Fan has a lot of people too.

[Pavlostani]

@Ino: Miss Nozomu, not Mrs. She doesn't have to marry because she can grow another Nozomu out of her finger! Tis some grotesque asexual reproduction for ya!

You need to teach our leaders that trick.

@Pact Call it whatever you want, the Pavlostani dialect will normally refer to it s the Pact. Pan-Asian Cooperative Treaty is fine. It would have possibly more regulation than AMEN, most specifically in the human rights sections (I.E. We can't commit genocide), and perhaps more provisionsas well.

[Pavlostani]

My nation just got an issue, and one of the options was presented br a man named Imogen. Coincidence? I thought it was interesting.

[Servoth]

My nation just got an issue, and one of the options was presented br a man named Imogen. Coincidence? I thought it was interesting.

Some poor sap must've caught a glimpse at our thread and just so happened to remember the name when constructing the issue and its options.

[Mishmahig]

Realistically, all Mishmahig wants from Cyprum Xecuii is this:

IC: Take a more active role in Zhao/Vapor overall
OOC: Take a more active role in Zhao/Vapor overall

To us, your country's insistence on isolationism makes no sense, especially since you go through spurts of interventionism before falling back into isolationism. It makes you unpredictable, and your lack of ties to anyone makes you more of a rogue agent/loose cannon, which concerns us even further.

Archpriest Baruss is facing what can only be described as Oremism at home, as people begin to question why Mishmahig is allied to/trying to work with people who clearly want nothing to do with us. Should the Pact be proposed, but fall through, then (depending on how I feel at that moment), Mishmahig will either switch spheres of influence or withdraw from a host of agreements.

How do I put this? We just like being independent. Doing whatever the hell we feel like doing is what makes us happy. Cycuiian leadership is worried that the pact will restrict what we can and can't do.

What I don't understand is why people worry about our opinion and are scared of us when it's suggested that we're unpredictable, stupid, poor, backwards, and so on. So we have a bunch of people, oh well, Fan has a lot of people too.

You're not independent. You went to war with AMEN because of your cooperative agreements with Novairia and Sri Tschow, for one.

Cyprum's actions are already restricted by other nations. Your only options are either to fight them at every step (diplomatically, economically, militarily), which is hard to do when you're by yourself, or to join and wield influence and power within the organization.

Fanaglia is large and massive and scary, but her nation is reasonable and logical. Your isolationism makes no sense to us, and the actions of your people and leaders bewilder and confuse us. We may be scared of Fanaglia, but we can take steps and we'll know what/how she'll react to any action we make. With Cyprum, we don't.