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Postby Mishmahig » Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:38 am

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:
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I was planning on building all Compact buildings and initiatives in the Promethian Free Cities, in order to boost their population, their infrastructure, and reinforce our links along the Promethian RR.

Sounds good to me. Also, got an ETA on Fall of Inesea?


Sorry 'bout that, had to plan stuff out for the summer, and then fell asleep.

I've got some time later today, so definitely today.

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Mishmahig wrote:
Nope, population.

Also, Sri, post 1908-09, we'll be sending missionaries to the Tschowan islands.

We should probably plan out a RP for this.

I'll kill them all.


That's the plan.

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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:39 am

Sri Tschow wrote:
Mishmahig wrote:
Nope, population.

Also, Sri, post 1908-09, we'll be sending missionaries to the Tschowan islands.

We should probably plan out a RP for this.

I'll kill them all.

You are going to make this too easy.
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Postby Pavlostani » Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:59 am

Sri Tschow wrote:
Mishmahig wrote:
Nope, population.

Also, Sri, post 1908-09, we'll be sending missionaries to the Tschowan islands.

We should probably plan out a RP for this.

I'll kill them all.


And if I send Khamulist missionaries? If you kill them, it would be hilariously ironic.

Mishmahig wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Sounds good to me. Also, got an ETA on Fall of Inesea?


Sorry 'bout that, had to plan stuff out for the summer, and then fell asleep.

I've got some time later today, so definitely today.

Sri Tschow wrote:I'll kill them all.


That's the plan.


Are you planning on a second war with Sri? Be aware that my nation will throw its support behind Sri, provided no Khamulist missionaries die. Considering that Khamulism will only return to Pavlostani in the '50s, that's rather unlikely.
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:03 pm

Pavlostani wrote:
Sri Tschow wrote:I'll kill them all.


And if I send Khamulist missionaries? If you kill them, it would be hilariously ironic.

Mishmahig wrote:
Sorry 'bout that, had to plan stuff out for the summer, and then fell asleep.

I've got some time later today, so definitely today.



That's the plan.


Are you planning on a second war with Sri? Be aware that my nation will throw its support behind Sri, provided no Khamulist missionaries die. Considering that Khamulism will only return to Pavlostani in the '50s, that's rather unlikely.

You'd support a nation that butchers MCs? Seems a little Khamulist.
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Postby Mishmahig » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:06 pm

Pavlostani wrote:
Mishmahig wrote:
Sorry 'bout that, had to plan stuff out for the summer, and then fell asleep.

I've got some time later today, so definitely today.



That's the plan.


Are you planning on a second war with Sri? Be aware that my nation will throw its support behind Sri, provided no Khamulist missionaries die. Considering that Khamulism will only return to Pavlostani in the '50s, that's rather unlikely.


Not sure why you'd support a nation that you went to war with less than five years ago..?

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Postby Inoroth » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:15 pm

Humph, ya'll have been having fun without me, and I disapprove :p

On a more serious note, there is a possibility that I will be going to a place without any internet access for 20 weeks (that's right, not days, weeks!), starting some time in mid January. Not 100% sure it'll happen, but I'm throwing this out early, because it'd be such a long absence.
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:16 pm

Inoroth wrote:Humph, ya'll have been having fun without me, and I disapprove :p

On a more serious note, there is a possibility that I will be going to a place without any internet access for 20 weeks (that's right, not days, weeks!), starting some time in mid January. Not 100% sure it'll happen, but I'm throwing this out early, because it'd be such a long absence.

Where you go? Siberia?
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Postby Inoroth » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:17 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:
Inoroth wrote:Humph, ya'll have been having fun without me, and I disapprove :p

On a more serious note, there is a possibility that I will be going to a place without any internet access for 20 weeks (that's right, not days, weeks!), starting some time in mid January. Not 100% sure it'll happen, but I'm throwing this out early, because it'd be such a long absence.

Where you go? Siberia?


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Postby Pavlostani » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:17 pm

Mishmahig wrote:
Pavlostani wrote:
Are you planning on a second war with Sri? Be aware that my nation will throw its support behind Sri, provided no Khamulist missionaries die. Considering that Khamulism will only return to Pavlostani in the '50s, that's rather unlikely.


Not sure why you'd support a nation that you went to war with less than five years ago..?


It's due to his colonial ambitions. Sri's territorial waters will expand to block off the mouth of the Vitus. That will box me into the Vitus. So, it would be rather preferable to gain his favor. Of course, if his expansion occurs after your war, I'll probably just do nothing, as I'd have no reason to interfere.

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:
Pavlostani wrote:
And if I send Khamulist missionaries? If you kill them, it would be hilariously ironic.



Are you planning on a second war with Sri? Be aware that my nation will throw its support behind Sri, provided no Khamulist missionaries die. Considering that Khamulism will only return to Pavlostani in the '50s, that's rather unlikely.

You'd support a nation that butchers MCs? Seems a little Khamulist.


As I stated above, it isn't being done for religious purposes, but for strategic purposes. From Pavel VIII to Lord Federov, we are extremely secular. It's Pavel VII and Pavel X that are rabid Khamulists.

Inoroth wrote:Humph, ya'll have been having fun without me, and I disapprove :p

On a more serious note, there is a possibility that I will be going to a place without any internet access for 20 weeks (that's right, not days, weeks!), starting some time in mid January. Not 100% sure it'll happen, but I'm throwing this out early, because it'd be such a long absence.


:(
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:19 pm

Wouldn't watching his face get beat in make your colonial aspirations more likely?
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Postby Mishmahig » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:27 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Wouldn't watching his face get beat in make your colonial aspirations more likely?


It seems more likely that you'd join in, and as part of the treaty negotiations, demand free and unrestricted access in Vitusian waters.

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Postby Pavlostani » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:31 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Wouldn't watching his face get beat in make your colonial aspirations more likely?


Perhaps, but I'd prefer to have more positive relationships with my neighbors. Sri might win the war against you guys alone, but I wouldn't reap any benefits. If I were to aid him, two possibilities:
We win and Sri comes to trust my people, resulting in peace and good will, and allows passage through his territorial waters.
We lose, Sri's territorial waters shrink, my people gain access to the world, and simply claim we were supporting an ally.

Another reason I'd probably support Sri is my people's disgust of Mishmahig and Inesea abandoning AMEN. My nation is a tad bitter about that.

Wait, I just realized. Sri is an ally, so I'd already have access through the Vitus. So my only real motivation to help him is that alliance. Either way, I still support him.
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Postby Mishmahig » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:40 pm

Pavlostani wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Wouldn't watching his face get beat in make your colonial aspirations more likely?


Perhaps, but I'd prefer to have more positive relationships with my neighbors. Sri might win the war against you guys alone, but I wouldn't reap any benefits.


96 million against 14 million. Highly unlikely.

Pavlostani wrote:If I were to aid him, two possibilities:
We win and Sri comes to trust my people, resulting in peace and good will, and allows passage through his territorial waters.


Trust is valuable, yes, but even with your intervention, it's 96 million against 54 million, and by your own admission, your nation is also going through periods of immense instability at this time.

Pavlostani wrote:We lose, Sri's territorial waters shrink, my people gain access to the world, and simply claim we were supporting an ally.


Oh no. If you do intervene, and we do defeat you, I can promise that the Dominion will not simply let you skate by. Most likely, we'll demand military restrictions, autonomy for your rebellious Islamic provinces, and a variety of other odds and ends, including the end to religious persecution. I mean, we wouldn't want to fight you, but we would if necessary.

Pavlostani wrote:Another reason I'd probably support Sri is my people's disgust of Mishmahig and Inesea abandoning AMEN. My nation is a tad bitter about that.


Mishmahig is equally bitter about Pavlostani diplomats backstabbing the unified front that AMEN was trying to put up at the SAW conferences.

Edit: Also, if you intervene, we can paint it as a war for religious tolerance and equality, which would also give us the moral high ground.
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Postby Sri Tschow » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:45 pm

All this is based on the assumption that I'd lose. After the SAW, King Amano will begin heavily building the military, especially the weak points-that is, the army.

EDIT: Amano, damn you autocorrect.
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Postby Pavlostani » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:47 pm

Mishmahig wrote:
Pavlostani wrote:
Perhaps, but I'd prefer to have more positive relationships with my neighbors. Sri might win the war against you guys alone, but I wouldn't reap any benefits.


96 million against 14 million. Highly unlikely.

Pavlostani wrote:If I were to aid him, two possibilities:
We win and Sri comes to trust my people, resulting in peace and good will, and allows passage through his territorial waters.


Trust is valuable, yes, but even with your intervention, it's 96 million against 54 million, and by your own admission, your nation is also going through periods of immense instability at this time.

Pavlostani wrote:We lose, Sri's territorial waters shrink, my people gain access to the world, and simply claim we were supporting an ally.


Oh no. If you do intervene, and we do defeat you, I can promise that the Dominion will not simply let you skate by. Most likely, we'll demand military restrictions, autonomy for your rebellious Islamic provinces, and a variety of other odds and ends, including the end to religious persecution. I mean, we wouldn't want to fight you, but we would if necessary.

Pavlostani wrote:Another reason I'd probably support Sri is my people's disgust of Mishmahig and Inesea abandoning AMEN. My nation is a tad bitter about that.


Mishmahig is equally bitter about Pavlostani diplomats backstabbing the unified front that AMEN was trying to put up at the SAW conferences.


I can deal with military restrictions. It may help me practice for when my nation disbands its military entirely. Autonomy to my Islamic provinces... by 1908 the Islamic provinces have been pacified and in 1909, the Ming Empire will be duly conquered. I do believe something I wrote on the wiki months ago just saved my ass. Either way, one might wonder why the MC Church would grant Khamulist states autonomy. Religious persecution... well we have laws against that in post-SAW Pavlostani, though I will admit that not everybody follows them.

Overall, I can't see consequences too negative.

Sri Tschow wrote:All this is based on the assumption that I'd lose. After the SAW, King Amani will begin heavily building the military, especially the weak points-that is, the army.


And with support from Pavlostani, I doubt food riots will break out like last time.
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:52 pm

Sri Tschow wrote:All this is based on the assumption that I'd lose. After the SAW, King Amano will begin heavily building the military, especially the weak points-that is, the army.

EDIT: Amano, damn you autocorrect.

Any one of the Compact Nations out numbers you.
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Postby Sri Tschow » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:53 pm

Size matters not, young Jedi.
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Postby Pavlostani » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:54 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:
Sri Tschow wrote:All this is based on the assumption that I'd lose. After the SAW, King Amano will begin heavily building the military, especially the weak points-that is, the army.

EDIT: Amano, damn you autocorrect.

Any one of the Compact Nations out numbers you.


Him combined with me?
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:55 pm

Sri Tschow wrote:Size matters not, young Jedi.

Pavlostani wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Any one of the Compact Nations out numbers you.


Him combined with me?

Any two of the Compact Nations is equal with you, all three outnumber.

Size does matter mate. Bullets, Beans, Bodies, and Bandages.
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Postby Cygnar » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:55 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:
Sri Tschow wrote:All this is based on the assumption that I'd lose. After the SAW, King Amano will begin heavily building the military, especially the weak points-that is, the army.

EDIT: Amano, damn you autocorrect.

Any one of the Compact Nations out numbers you.

Unless FIN walks in and decides to back Sri! :lol:
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:56 pm

Cygnar wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Any one of the Compact Nations out numbers you.

Unless FIN walks in and decides to back Sri! :lol:

That's a the nightmare situation.
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Postby Sri Tschow » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:57 pm

The effectiveness of one's military also plays a part in the outcome of a war.
And the FIN. I wouldn't have a problem with them helping, either.
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Postby Pavlostani » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:59 pm

Cygnar wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Any one of the Compact Nations out numbers you.

Unless FIN walks in and decides to back Sri! :lol:


:hug:

We would be immensely grateful for your help... we might find some favors to do for you after the war.
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:59 pm

I generally gauge possibility by the four Bs.
Bullets, Beans, Bodies, and Bandages.
Bullets- Weapons, Ammunition
Beans- Food and supplies
Bodies- Soldiers to fight
Bandages- Medical equipment to care for the soldiers who are injured, in order to have the maximum amount casualties be recycled back into the Army.
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Postby Mishmahig » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:18 pm

Pavlostani wrote:
Mishmahig wrote:
96 million against 14 million. Highly unlikely.



Trust is valuable, yes, but even with your intervention, it's 96 million against 54 million, and by your own admission, your nation is also going through periods of immense instability at this time.



Oh no. If you do intervene, and we do defeat you, I can promise that the Dominion will not simply let you skate by. Most likely, we'll demand military restrictions, autonomy for your rebellious Islamic provinces, and a variety of other odds and ends, including the end to religious persecution. I mean, we wouldn't want to fight you, but we would if necessary.



Mishmahig is equally bitter about Pavlostani diplomats backstabbing the unified front that AMEN was trying to put up at the SAW conferences.


I can deal with military restrictions. It may help me practice for when my nation disbands its military entirely. Autonomy to my Islamic provinces... by 1908 the Islamic provinces have been pacified and in 1909, the Ming Empire will be duly conquered. I do believe something I wrote on the wiki months ago just saved my ass. Either way, one might wonder why the MC Church would grant Khamulist states autonomy. Religious persecution... well we have laws against that in post-SAW Pavlostani, though I will admit that not everybody follows them.

Overall, I can't see consequences too negative.


Then I'll have to be more inventive.

Sri Tschow wrote:All this is based on the assumption that I'd lose. After the SAW, King Amani will begin heavily building the military, especially the weak points-that is, the army.


Your weak point last time was your nation starving after a month. Given that our nations managed to easily defeat your fleets and navies (despite Cyprum's valiant efforts to intervene by smashing Khamul), I doubt there will be different results this time.

Pavlostani wrote:And with support from Pavlostani, I doubt food riots will break out like last time.


And with our fleets cutting you off? I doubt your support will mean much if we sink every second or third ship you send.

Cygnar wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Any one of the Compact Nations out numbers you.

Unless FIN walks in and decides to back Sri! :lol:


In which case, Ino and Fan will probably walk in and back us.

It's the joy of having a Cold War-esque style atmosphere.

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