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The Holy Dominion of Inesea
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:39 pm

Fanaglia wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:


1.) At 67 Degrees North, there wouldn't be a month of Darkness. Barely a day or two.

2.)I did order a strafing and A persuit

Enraged, he ordered 10 FTC-Bs attached to the First to strafe the obviously Gratian occupied parts of the camp when he saw several Gratian aerosruisers taking off. He was infuriated that the cowards would attack a settlement, kill the inhabitants, then presumably flee with the spoils! The barbarity struck him hard. He turned to the Inter Fleet Comm Offficer and said," Go with Plan Cuzco. And tell the ordnance boys to use that HE rounds. "

The rest of the FTC contingent dropped below the the cloud cover and opened up upon the Gratian vessels, whose presences were betrayed by the very fires they had started. Most aeroships fired with the newer, semi-experimental explosive rounds designed for this combat. These thin capped rounds raced down behind the normal AP rounds, impacting and exploding where the AP rounds just tore. The result was....... fascinating.


You are partially right about the sunrise thing; that was my mistake. When I started talking about the long nights before, that was before we actually had longitude/latitude lines, so I was basing my assumptions on the superimposition of the RL map, which, as we've discussed, was not actually lined up by latitude. I looked up sunrise/sunset data for RL towns at a similar latitude (at 67°N, it would be a bit north of Fort Yukon, Alaska) and saw that it would have only maybe an hour of daylight on December 27th.

That was my mistake there, I admit, but still, it's only an hour of very poor light with the sun hanging just above the horizon (if above it at all, depending on whether there are mountains or high hills on the horizon). It also won't come until around noon. So you're telling me that your ships just hung out for eleven hours while their men get killed down below in the big, well-lit compound that should not be that hard to see, even at a distance? And also that this is in temperatures that average -15°F and can get as low as -60°F, where they magically have enough fuel to keep the ships in controlled flight and the cabins heated? There is also the danger posed to the ships' envelopes by the heavy ice that would accumulate on their skins, especially considering the relative low temperatures resulting from a depressurized gas. To sustain flight for that long, the gas would have to be heated to prevent this, which would greatly increase the risk of fire. Note the difficulty I mentioned with my own few airships that have been to V-Land and the fact that your ships are, essentially, the same.

No, in those eleven hours, your men would have landed had they been there. They would have been on the ground and securing the camp before the VPG forces even arrived. But you didn't RP it that way; you didn't even make a fuss about it until I mentioned my guys (well, Gratia's VPG characters) moving in. And no, your post about strafing the camp was not sufficient to establish the long-lingering presence you now claim to have had. They could just as easily have followed the other Inesean ships to pursue the Gratians once their attack was finished or have been brought down by the poison or the fireball.

Quit being a sore loser and fucking get over it. If you want to RP that a small handful of men was left behind to stand watch over the camp and has gone undetected by the VPG until now while their comrades returned to Onheath to report, I could be all right with that, but don't give me that bullshit that "Oh, well, you can't take over because my guys were still there because I want them to be, ex post facto."


So much fuss. I'll take your suggestion in the last paragraph and leave an FTC behind while the rest return to Onheath.
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Postby Mishmahig » Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:54 pm

Pavlostani wrote:In SAW, it looks like The Pact will win either the conference or the war. Surely Silvak can see this. But, international politics in Vapor compose of one nation fucking another, so there's a 50/50 chance that war might begin again.


There is no Pact. There's AMEN, and the Pact proposal.

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Postby Itailian Maifias » Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:16 pm

Holy shit, ten pages since my last logon. Anything vital that I missed?
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Postby Servoth » Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:24 pm

Itailian Maifias wrote:Holy shit, ten pages since my last logon. Anything vital that I missed?


Well, if you wanted to, you still have time to send someone to the Amplector Conference. Otherwise, no, nothing of vitality has happened which involves you. Unless, you plan to get involved in the war to come between Dal and Ino, after Dal got deleted from inactivity. The war's op will come in due time, but you must wait, for waiting on Ino is much of what Vapor is about.
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The Holy Dominion of Inesea
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:39 pm

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Postby Servoth » Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:42 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Wild Inesean Frog War Cry


Your frog's war cry is rather... how do you say? Adorable.
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Postby Sri Tschow » Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:42 pm

So. Flipping. Cute.
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Postby Fanaglia » Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:37 pm

Servoth wrote:
Servoth wrote:PANDA

Name: Heidi Stofl
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Title(s): Aliased as "Ms. Thinker", mistakenly as "Mr."



It seems you missed this Fan, so here it is again.


I did. Addressing the issue now.
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Postby Servoth » Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:38 pm

Fanaglia wrote:
I did. Addressing the issue now.


Thank you.
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Postby Fanaglia » Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:47 pm

Servoth wrote:
Fanaglia wrote:
I did. Addressing the issue now.


Thank you.


There's a problem with one of the images, but it's not your image. I'm not sure which one it is and I don't have the time right now to figure out which one it is, but I'll get to it eventually, I promise.
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Dumb Ideologies wrote:NS forums are SUPERGOOGLE.

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Postby Servoth » Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:49 pm

Fanaglia wrote:
Servoth wrote:
Thank you.


There's a problem with one of the images, but it's not your image. I'm not sure which one it is and I don't have the time right now to figure out which one it is, but I'll get to it eventually, I promise.


Ok, thanks for the effort anyway.
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Postby Cyprum Xecuii » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:14 pm

I don't know what the hell has gotten into me. I downloaded Ren'Py, a Visual Novel maker, and I just created one that involves my Vapor characters.

Well, I haven't done much yet, there's no background or character images, but I did have Nozomu say "Cookie!" and Makoto say "Pew pew pew".
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Postby Servoth » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:19 pm

Cyprum Xecuii wrote:I don't know what the hell has gotten into me. I downloaded Ren'Py, a Visual Novel maker, and I just created one that involves my Vapor characters.

Well, I haven't done much yet, there's no background or character images, but I did have Nozomu say "Cookie!" and Makoto say "Pew pew pew".


What? Well, ok, good luck with that, better hope you don't get ice cream on the pages!
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Postby Cyprum Xecuii » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:24 pm

Servoth wrote:
Cyprum Xecuii wrote:I don't know what the hell has gotten into me. I downloaded Ren'Py, a Visual Novel maker, and I just created one that involves my Vapor characters.

Well, I haven't done much yet, there's no background or character images, but I did have Nozomu say "Cookie!" and Makoto say "Pew pew pew".


What? Well, ok, good luck with that, better hope you don't get ice cream on the pages!


At this rate, there won't be any ice cream because I'm a noob and can't find out how to properly add an ice cream sprite into it.

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Postby Servoth » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:24 pm

Cyprum Xecuii wrote:
Servoth wrote:
What? Well, ok, good luck with that, better hope you don't get ice cream on the pages!


At this rate, there won't be any ice cream because I'm a noob and can't find out how to properly add an ice cream sprite into it.


You'll get use to it, maybe.
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Inoroth
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Postby Inoroth » Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:31 am

I am very disappointed with you guys >:(

I had a post in V-land since about 7:30 pm last night my time... it is now 8:30 am... that's over twelve hours for you to have noticed my post, only you didn't - nor did you notice Vjiay's, and his was on before mine... what is this world of Vapor coming to?!?!?!

In honor of the passing of Dal, I have decided that I will do the Storozhami RPs on V-land in 1st person

Anyways, Vjiay and I have posted on Fall :D


@Mish -
Mishmahig entered the war against Sri Tschow solely on the basis of the AMEN mutual defense treaty. If Sri Tschow has signed for peace with Inesea (and, it is assumed, Pavlostani), then Mishmahig will no longer be at war with Sri Tschow because we have no casus belli. We view Cyprum and Novairia to be unwarranted aggressors, however, and will most likely remain at war if the pieces fall like they seem to be.

So:

Sri--> peace
Cyprum --> likely peace (wariness, though)
Novairia --> continued war with AMEN


Well, if the conference is doomed to to fail, could you maybe make sure that peace treaty between Sri and Mish happens? It will really make Inoroth's position far less complicated.

There is no Pact. There's AMEN, and the Pact proposal.


Correct, but Sri has already RPed that his government has authorized King Amano to accept the Pact, so if nothing else, AMEN changes it's name and adds Sri as a member state.

RE: RNV Onheath - Were you going to do anything with them before Baker's day (the 26th-27th of December), or should Inesea and I just plow ahead?

@Pavlo -
In SAW, it looks like The Pact will win either the conference or the war. Surely Silvak can see this. But, international politics in Vapor compose of one nation fucking another, so there's a 50/50 chance that war might begin again.


Probably higher, Pav... I think Nov's after blood :)

@Averi -
Holy shit, ten pages since my last logon. Anything vital that I missed?


Aside from Dal's nation being deted? Nothing much.

@Servoth -
Well, if you wanted to, you still have time to send someone to the Amplector Conference. Otherwise, no, nothing of vitality has happened which involves you. Unless, you plan to get involved in the war to come between Dal and Ino, after Dal got deleted from inactivity. The war's op will come in due time, but you must wait, for waiting on Ino is much of what Vapor is about.


Speaking of waiting, how's that AC post coming, Servi-Serv :p :p :p :rofl: :rofl: ?

@Inesea - I decided I'd give you a chance to mess around, set out defenses, and get out a look what the occupation is like to the average Inesean soldier before I began RPing the V.P.G. Storozhami placing bombs and laying ambushes and such... plus, I thought Mish might want to use Baker's day for his RNV Resistance Group in Onheath as well...
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The Holy Dominion of Inesea
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:52 am

I noticed both posts, but being on car rides from NYC to Boston to Home takes a long time and I was tired
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Postby Inoroth » Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:58 am

@Inesea - ........ well?

@Pavlo - Whilst looking for a map of Dal for the war RP, I stumbled across this... might I enquirer when it is to be written?
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Postby Inoroth » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:55 am

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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:36 am

You found our figment accounts? :eyebrow:
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Postby Mishmahig » Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:26 am

Inoroth wrote:@Mish -
Mishmahig entered the war against Sri Tschow solely on the basis of the AMEN mutual defense treaty. If Sri Tschow has signed for peace with Inesea (and, it is assumed, Pavlostani), then Mishmahig will no longer be at war with Sri Tschow because we have no casus belli. We view Cyprum and Novairia to be unwarranted aggressors, however, and will most likely remain at war if the pieces fall like they seem to be.

So:

Sri--> peace
Cyprum --> likely peace (wariness, though)
Novairia --> continued war with AMEN


Well, if the conference is doomed to to fail, could you maybe make sure that peace treaty between Sri and Mish happens? It will really make Inoroth's position far less complicated.


Uhm, do you play EU3 or a similar game? It's along the same lines as wars in there---Inesea/Khamul assumed leadership in the war against Sri Tschow, which Mishmahig joined as a lesser partner. Once Sri Tschow signs for peace with Inesea/Khamul, the SAW is over. However, as Novairia entered using an Alliance casus belli, it's a separate war, where we would need to negotiate accordingly.

So as of now, I'm at peace with Sri Tschow and Cyprum Xecuii, provided we can come to an agreement as to the specifics of the peace.

Still at war with Novairia, however, which would require a separate peace treaty (or a joint one, signed by everyone at the conference...whichever).

Should the conference break up, I would honor the perfunctory peace treaty and remain at war with Novairia only.

That should simplify your position/obligations immensely, I think.

Inoroth wrote:
There is no Pact. There's AMEN, and the Pact proposal.


Correct, but Sri has already RPed that his government has authorized King Amano to accept the Pact, so if nothing else, AMEN changes it's name and adds Sri as a member state.


I assumed the only way for the others to accept the Pact is if we did not just treat it as another AMEN, but rather as a joint collaboration between all our nations as we work out the Charter/principles/etc. If we treat it as another AMEN, then Cyprum will reject it out of hand, Mishmahig will view it as a failure of Zhaoian politics (and switch spheres of influence), and Novairia will continue to reject it. If we treat it as a collaborative effort, Cyprum might be persuaded, Mishmahig will stay, and our combined influence can probably force Novairia to the table.

Inoroth wrote:RE: RNV Onheath - Were you going to do anything with them before Baker's day (the 26th-27th of December), or should Inesea and I just plow ahead?


I was....but I have a massive paper due on Friday, along with two tests, so if you want to do stuff before then, go ahead.

Inoroth wrote:@Pavlo -
In SAW, it looks like The Pact will win either the conference or the war. Surely Silvak can see this. But, international politics in Vapor compose of one nation fucking another, so there's a 50/50 chance that war might begin again.


Probably higher, Pav... I think Nov's after blood :)


His/her blood in that case, then.

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Postby Cyprum Xecuii » Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:42 pm

@Inesea: Your name is James Buckley? I checked the link Ino showed us and so...an assumption was made.

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Postby Inoroth » Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:53 pm

@Inesea -
You found our figment accounts? :eyebrow:


Who's the uber-stalker now :D ? Actually, I just typed "Dalruanazkal Map" into Google Images, and one of then was the "cover" Pav had made for his "book", so I clicked on it and voila!

@Mish -

RE: SAW - What's EU3? I do not actually play much in the way of video games, so I probably don't. But I get the point... Sri and Cyprum's peace with Inesea = peace with you... thanks :)

RE: The Pact - I was thinking something along the same lines... but was AMEN really anything different from what you said? A group of member nations working off of a charter, loosely bound together in a supra-national organization?

RE: V-land - I'm fine with waiting, so we'll put off the actual crazy ops until after Friday... honestly, I don't know how much time I'll have between now and then anyways)... I just wondered if you were looking to have anything happen with the RNV Rebels before IC Baker's Day... now I know :)

@Cyprum -
@Inesea: Your name is James Buckley? I checked the link Ino showed us and so...an assumption was made.


Silly Cyprum - Everyone knows you don't use your real name on the internet... especially on blogs and such... right Inesea *cough - James Buckley - cough*???
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Postby Mishmahig » Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:11 pm

Inoroth wrote:@Mish -
RE: The Pact - I was thinking something along the same lines... but was AMEN really anything different from what you said? A group of member nations working off of a charter, loosely bound together in a supra-national organization?


For some reason, the other nations in Zhao have a highly negative opinion of AMEN. Also, their nations won't be too happy about joining the organization they just went to war with.... so this is a happy compromise. We get a reformed and extensively modified version of AMEN for better bureaucracy and propaganda, while providing benefits and advantages for everyone, etc, etc.

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Postby Sri Tschow » Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:35 pm

You are NOT James Buckley! He's an actor. Forgive me, I know nothing about actors and I had to google it.
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