Vapor: A Steampunk RP Region (OOC v.3.0 -- CLOSED)

[Cyprum Xecuii]

How do I put this? We just like being independent. Doing whatever the hell we feel like doing is what makes us happy. Cycuiian leadership is worried that the pact will restrict what we can and can't do.

What I don't understand is why people worry about our opinion and are scared of us when it's suggested that we're unpredictable, stupid, poor, backwards, and so on. So we have a bunch of people, oh well, Fan has a lot of people too.

You're not independent. You went to war with AMEN because of your cooperative agreements with Novairia and Sri Tschow, for one.

Cyprum's actions are already restricted by other nations. Your only options are either to fight them at every step (diplomatically, economically, militarily), which is hard to do when you're by yourself, or to join and wield influence and power within the organization.

Fanaglia is large and massive and scary, but her nation is reasonable and logical. Your isolationism makes no sense to us, and the actions of your people and leaders bewilder and confuse us. We may be scared of Fanaglia, but we can take steps and we'll know what/how she'll react to any action we make. With Cyprum, we don't.

Where are these actions that are restricted by other nations? Yes, I created a cooperative agreement with Sri and yes I did send him supplies. However, we didn't have to if we didn't want to. It just that it's damn hard to see the country next to you get slaughtered, so we have to do something. Now though, King Amano wants to play 'tough guy' so I don't think I need to help his country anymore if he believes us to be so slow and incompetent.

I certainly believe we're independent, and if you want to question that, then do it in SAW.

[Novairia]

Buwahahahaha, posted before midnight.

[Inoroth]

@Cyprum -

RE: Nozomu - I thought it was "Nozumu"? Oh well.

RE: "THE PACT" - How about these?

"Pan-Asian CooperativeCollaborative Treaty"

"Pan-Asian CooperativeConcords and Treaties"

@Mish -

As long as it's an acronym or something, and not simply 'The Pact'.

Please see above post to Cyprum ^

IRL, yes. This is Vapor, where supranational organizations and multi-nation alliances are the norm. I understand and accept your point, but also point out that IRL = Vapor in many cases, but not here.

Careful there - Multinational Military Alliances were extremely common about this time (to the point that the assassination of a certain Austro-Hungarian Nobleman by a certain hitherto unimportant Serbian escalated to the death of millions in one of the worst conflicts ever engaged in by the European World), and have always been around in some form. Multinational Economic Alliances were, however, far less common, and largely viewed with suspicion. Now, Economic Alliances =/always = Trade. Basically, All International Trade agreements are Economic Alliances (even ones involving private trade, because the items being traded are still crossing national boundaries, and either nation could close their borders if they chose), but all Economic Alliances are not Trade Agreements (because there are other Economic Alliances, such as sharing currency, dropping tariffs, economic aid, and so on).

Now, if I recall correctly, AMEN had components of both forms of alliance, and the members accepted it. And even if it didn't, I've been playing Inoroth as accepting both forms. However, it does not follow that, just because some or even most Vapor Nations accept these alliances, all Vapor nations will. In fact, if everyone accepts the same things, it male for a boring world. I was not attacking the alliances built so much as pointing out that not everyone must or should accept them.

Supranational organizations, not supranational governance or jurisdiction. They're not agreeing to unite in a world government, like the European Union, but are instead working together (as separate nations) in an organized forum that allows them to peacefully air and iron out their disagreements. They also use this forum to forge links within the region that strengthen their nation and the region overall, while having their security guaranteed by the entire region.

So, if I understand your definition of AMEN correctly - it's just a regularly recurring social club? Even still, there is the mutual defense clause, and that might be enough for some nations to want to stay out, because they don't want to have to be obligated to support something ridiculous, like a genocide by a member nation (as a random, non-specific example). Some nations just don't like to have too many strings.

No. There were two supranational collections fighting each other, AMEN and the Co-Op. Also, we expect them to realize the benefits of the Pact and warily accept, with the bad blood being ameliorated over time.

And if you want to be realistic, the bad blood would be on AMEN's side. Sri harassed Pav and my shipping for years, Novairia entered the war unprovokedly and on a BS reason, destroying an AMEN megaplex and threatening to invade Inesea, and Cyprum invaded Khamul. Compared to that, it's a miracle we're the ones suggesting such an organization.

Well, AMEN has certain nations involved, and the Co-Op has other nations. Nations that are friendly towards all nations in one group, and are willing to fight to defend them, might not like a nation ot two in the other group, and would not want to be obligated to fight to defend them... I would NEVER sign a deal forcing me to protect Pavlo - not after what he's done...

And no matter where the Bad Blood is, it's there. In fact, maybe that's what Nov and Cy are thinking... you guys are being too nice - there must be a catch, and an alliance that ropes them into something could look mighty suspicious.

[Vjiay]

'Cause I'm bored...

SUPERPOWER - A nation strong militarily and economically, with the ability to project serious influence across the entire planet. Generally backed by a large population.

- Cyprum Xecuii
- Fanaglia
- Inoroth

GREAT POWER - A nation with a considerable military and economic might, with the ability to exert serious influence across certain large regions of space and also project some influence across the planet, though more influential when forming a powerful part of a larger coalition.

- Vitzenburg
- Servoth
- Wirbel
- Inesea

MIDDLE POWER - A nation with considerable influence within their immediate region, though without the resources that would allow them to effectively exert any influence on a planet-wide scale.

- Mishmahig
- Sri Tschow
- Novairia
- Cygnar
- Khamul

LOWER POWER - A nation that has little influence on regional affairs, let alone on a worldwide scale. They generally lack resources militarily and economically.

- (Former) Voerdeland
- Gratia Infinita

DISCLAIMER: These are the views of the Vjiayan Government ICly and do not reflect the opinions of the maker thereof. If anyone has been missed then please inform me and I will add you.

[Inoroth]

@Vjiay -

'Cause I'm bored...

SUPERPOWER - A nation strong militarily and economically, with the ability to project serious influence across the entire planet. Generally backed by a large population.

- Cyprum Xecuii
- Fanaglia
- Inoroth

GREAT POWER - A nation with a considerable military and economic might, with the ability to exert serious influence across certain large regions of space and also project some influence across the planet, though more influential when forming a powerful part of a larger coalition.

- Vitzenburg
- Servoth
- Wirbel
- Inesea

MIDDLE POWER - A nation with considerable influence within their immediate region, though without the resources that would allow them to effectively exert any influence on a planet-wide scale.

- Mishmahig
- Sri Tschow
- Novairia
- Cygnar
- Khamul

LOWER POWER - A nation that has little influence on regional affairs, let alone on a worldwide scale. They generally lack resources militarily and economically.

- (Former) Voerdeland
- Gratia Infinita

DISCLAIMER: These are the views of the Vjiayan Government ICly and do not reflect the opinions of the maker thereof.

What about yourself, where do you fall in? Also, I'm honored to have ranked in the top three (over Wirble and Servoth ... very interesting )

Also, Dal will soon be joining in with the other Lower Powers... right there with Rosswood.

[Novairia]

'Cause I'm bored...

SUPERPOWER - A nation strong militarily and economically, with the ability to project serious influence across the entire planet. Generally backed by a large population.

- Cyprum Xecuii
- Fanaglia
- Inoroth

GREAT POWER - A nation with a considerable military and economic might, with the ability to exert serious influence across certain large regions of space and also project some influence across the planet, though more influential when forming a powerful part of a larger coalition.

- Vitzenburg
- Servoth
- Wirbel
- Inesea

MIDDLE POWER - A nation with considerable influence within their immediate region, though without the resources that would allow them to effectively exert any influence on a planet-wide scale.

- Mishmahig
- Sri Tschow
- Novairia
- Cygnar
- Khamul

LOWER POWER - A nation that has little influence on regional affairs, let alone on a worldwide scale. They generally lack resources militarily and economically.

- (Former) Voerdeland
- Gratia Infinita

DISCLAIMER: These are the views of the Vjiayan Government ICly and do not reflect the opinions of the maker thereof.

Sigh.. as much as I dont like being grouped with Mish and Sri.. my lack of global mobility does place me there. Dam my low number of warships that are only in my port and Inoroth's.

[Vjiay]

@Vjiay -

'Cause I'm bored...

SUPERPOWER - A nation strong militarily and economically, with the ability to project serious influence across the entire planet. Generally backed by a large population.

- Cyprum Xecuii
- Fanaglia
- Inoroth

GREAT POWER - A nation with a considerable military and economic might, with the ability to exert serious influence across certain large regions of space and also project some influence across the planet, though more influential when forming a powerful part of a larger coalition.

- Vitzenburg
- Servoth
- Wirbel
- Inesea

MIDDLE POWER - A nation with considerable influence within their immediate region, though without the resources that would allow them to effectively exert any influence on a planet-wide scale.

- Mishmahig
- Sri Tschow
- Novairia
- Cygnar
- Khamul

LOWER POWER - A nation that has little influence on regional affairs, let alone on a worldwide scale. They generally lack resources militarily and economically.

- (Former) Voerdeland
- Gratia Infinita

DISCLAIMER: These are the views of the Vjiayan Government ICly and do not reflect the opinions of the maker thereof.

What about yourself, where do you fall in? Also, I'm honored to have ranked in the top three (over Wirble and Servoth ... very interesting )

Also, Dal will soon be joining in with the other Lower Powers... right there with Rosswood.

It's my own governments analysis so it's kinda everyone else's responsibility to say where Vjiay is.

OOCly I'd label us as lower Great Powers... we have force projection capabilities but our manpower pool falls way behind some other powers.

Servoth and Wirbel are only Great Powers because, again, their populations aren't huge and they haven't RPed any massive ability of force projection.

As for Dal I'm not quite sure what's happening with him right now. Before he left I'dve but him as a Lower Great Power as he has a large pool of men but poorish equipment.

[Mishmahig]

IRL, yes. This is Vapor, where supranational organizations and multi-nation alliances are the norm. I understand and accept your point, but also point out that IRL = Vapor in many cases, but not here.

Careful there - Multinational Military Alliances were extremely common about this time (to the point that the assassination of a certain Austro-Hungarian Nobleman by a certain hitherto unimportant Serbian escalated to the death of millions in one of the worst conflicts ever engaged in by the European World), and have always been around in some form. Multinational Economic Alliances were, however, far less common, and largely viewed with suspicion. Now, Economic Alliances =/always = Trade. Basically, All International Trade agreements are Economic Alliances (even ones involving private trade, because the items being traded are still crossing national boundaries, and either nation could close their borders if they chose), but all Economic Alliances are not Trade Agreements (because there are other Economic Alliances, such as sharing currency, dropping tariffs, economic aid, and so on).

Again, you're using IRL comparisons to Vapor, which are not supported in this situation.

Now, if I recall correctly, AMEN had components of both forms of alliance, and the members accepted it. And even if it didn't, I've been playing Inoroth as accepting both forms. However, it does not follow that, just because some or even most Vapor Nations accept these alliances, all Vapor nations will. In fact, if everyone accepts the same things, it male for a boring world. I was not attacking the alliances built so much as pointing out that not everyone must or should accept them.

AMEN was a military alliance, which sought to ensure the prosperity of the members and stability of the region by building economic connections between members. The military alliance is the key aspect, and the economic agreements grew around it. It's a similar concept to Cyprum's co-ops, the Triumvirate, and the very same Co-Op AMEN fought against in the SAW.

Supranational organizations, not supranational governance or jurisdiction. They're not agreeing to unite in a world government, like the European Union, but are instead working together (as separate nations) in an organized forum that allows them to peacefully air and iron out their disagreements. They also use this forum to forge links within the region that strengthen their nation and the region overall, while having their security guaranteed by the entire region.

So, if I understand your definition of AMEN correctly - it's just a regularly recurring social club? Even still, there is the mutual defense clause, and that might be enough for some nations to want to stay out, because they don't want to have to be obligated to support something ridiculous, like a genocide by a member nation (as a random, non-specific example). Some nations just don't like to have too many strings.

Essentially, yes, although that is a relatively trite way to refer to the alliance. The mutual defense clause is necessary to prevent needless wars (like the SAW) and help the region defend against outside invaders/aggressors. This is a minor string, and one Cyprum, Novairia, Servoth, Cygnar, Vitz, Inoroth, AMEN members, and many more have all accepted currently or in the past.

No. There were two supranational collections fighting each other, AMEN and the Co-Op. Also, we expect them to realize the benefits of the Pact and warily accept, with the bad blood being ameliorated over time.

And if you want to be realistic, the bad blood would be on AMEN's side. Sri harassed Pav and my shipping for years, Novairia entered the war unprovokedly and on a BS reason, destroying an AMEN megaplex and threatening to invade Inesea, and Cyprum invaded Khamul. Compared to that, it's a miracle we're the ones suggesting such an organization.

Well, AMEN has certain nations involved, and the Co-Op has other nations. Nations that are friendly towards all nations in one group, and are willing to fight to defend them, might not like a nation ot two in the other group, and would not want to be obligated to fight to defend them... I would NEVER sign a deal forcing me to protect Pavlo - not after what he's done...

And that's the issue. Zhao is now permanently divided because nations can't get over what happened, and it's going to mess stuff up.

And no matter where the Bad Blood is, it's there. In fact, maybe that's what Nov and Cy are thinking... you guys are being too nice - there must be a catch, and an alliance that ropes them into something could look mighty suspicious.

This is moot at this point. Marino's leaving the conference.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Did you rank highest to lowest? Or is everybody inside a category not ordered?

Anyways, I am interested to hear why Inesea is a great Power.

[Cyprum Xecuii]

I should be lowered to a great power, considering that we're ridiculed for a whole bunch of crap.

[Servoth]

Did you rank highest to lowest? Or is everybody inside a category not ordered?

Anyways, I am interested to hear why Inesea is a great Power.

You match the definition. You can exert a serious force over large areas of space, the sea, seeing as you have one of the largest navies, and that you are more influential when "forming a powerful part of a larger coalition".

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Did you rank highest to lowest? Or is everybody inside a category not ordered?

Anyways, I am interested to hear why Inesea is a great Power.

You match the definition. You can exert a serious force over large areas of space, the sea, seeing as you have one of the largest navies, and that you are more influential when "forming a powerful part of a larger coalition".

I see that, but some middle powers(Nova and Cygnar) Could Roflstomp me in a war. And Economic Might?

[Vjiay]

@Inesea: When in your categories you aren't ranked... It was pretty much a case of whoever I put down first. I was a little confused with where to put you, but I've seen you post a fair bit in terms of projection in Voerdeland and elsewhere so figured you'd be a Lower Great Power like myself. I'm in the process of making a more detailed spectrum right now.

@Cyprum: Large Population, Large Resources, Driven Military... Hallmarks of a Superpower, even if we do hate you commies.

[Vjiay]

You match the definition. You can exert a serious force over large areas of space, the sea, seeing as you have one of the largest navies, and that you are more influential when "forming a powerful part of a larger coalition".

I see that, but some middle powers(Nova and Cygnar) Could Roflstomp me in a war. And Economic Might?

I haven't seen either RP at all. I have pretty much no idea, ICly or otherwise, how powerful they are. Just from the table I'd label Nova as a High Middle Power but he himself admitted that he lacks force projection.



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A quick spectrum

[Cyprum Xecuii]

@SAW: Woah, Marino just left like that. Now there's some independence for ya.

Well, all I must do now is get back at King Amano.

@Mish: Is Marino leaving for good? You're just going to keep tension with Novaria and go on with hostilities?

EDIT: Wait, no. I see that Novaria's status will be determined later. However, that doesn't say anything about Marino's return [or no return].


@Vijay spectrum: Fan is just a bit ahead huh? We need to make more children...joking, just joking...maybe.

[Inoroth]

'Cause I'm bored an utterly unabashed copy-cat...

SUPERPOWER - A nation strong militarily and economically, with the ability to project serious influence across the entire planet. Generally backed by a large population.

- Fanaglia:

Uber-Large Population
Uber-Strong Force Projection Capabilities
Uber-Great Tech/Industry/Production
Great Diplomatic Powers


-Cyprum Xecuii:

Uber-Uber-Large Population
Moderate Force Projection
Uber-Great Tech/Industry/Production
Great Diplomatic Powers

- Inoroth:

Uber-Large Population
Uber-Strong Force Projection
Uber-Great Tech/Industry/Production
Uber-Uber Diplomatic Powers

GREAT POWER - A nation with a considerable military and economic might, with the ability to exert serious influence across certain large regions of space and also project some influence across the planet, though more influential when forming a powerful part of a larger coalition.

- Vitzenburg

Large Population
Strong Force Projection
Uber-Uber-Great Tech/Industry/Production
Strong Diplomatic Powers

- Servoth

Large Population
Untested Force Projection
Uber-Great Tech/Industry/Production
Moderate Diplomatic Powers

- Wirbel

Moderate Population
Uber-Strong Force Projection
Uber-Great Tech/Industry/Production
Weak Diplomatic Powers

- Dalruanazkal (Pre-Collapse)

Large Population
Strong Force Projection
Poor Tech/Industry/Production
Moderate Diplomatic Powers

- Cygnar

Moderate Population
Uber-Strong Force Projection
Uber-Great Tech/Industry/Production
Strong Diplomatic Powers


MIDDLE POWER - A nation with considerable influence within their immediate region, though without the resources that would allow them to effectively exert any influence on a planet-wide scale.

- Inesea

Moderate Population
Uber-Strong Force Projection
Modertate Tech/Industry/Production
Very Strong Diplomatic Powers

- Mishmahig

Tiny Population
Strong Force Projection
Moderate Tech/Industry/Production
Very Strong Diplomatic Powers

- Sri Tschow

Small Population
Strong Force Projection
Moderate Tech/Industry/Production
Limited Diplomatic Powers

- Novairia

Uber-Large Population
Weak Force Projection
Great Tech/Industry/Production
Limited Diplomatic Powers

- Khamul

Moderate Population
Strong Force Projection
Great Tech/Industry/Production
Terrible Diplomatic Powers

LOWER POWER - A nation that has little influence on regional affairs, let alone on a worldwide scale. They generally lack resources militarily and economically.

- (Former) Voerdeland

Large Population
Weak Force Projection
Moderate Tech/Industry/Production
Limited Diplomatic Powers

- Gratia Infinita (After Isolation)

Tiny Population
Weak Force Projection
Moderate Tech/Industry/Production
Limited Diplomatic Powers

DISCLAIMER: These are the views of the Inorothian Government ICly and do not reflect the opinions of the maker thereof.

@Mish -

Again, you're using IRL comparisons to Vapor, which are not supported in this situation.

Again, some nations might be using the RL, even though they are not required to. Cyprum said somewhere back that he liked being free to operate as he chose, so it appears to me that he is following the RL attitudes... therefore, those statements are applicable to him. Nov refused to connect the AMEN RR, the reason? He didn't want his nationalism stomped on, having to obey international rules and regs on the RR, change his RR Gauge, and so on... an attitude paralleling that of the RL world at this time as well.

Is it thus such a huge coincidence that these two nations are the same that refuse or mistrust the treaties? I think not, for they are only being consistent with their earlier decisions and actions.

AMEN was a military alliance, which sought to ensure the prosperity of the members and stability of the region by building economic connections between members. The military alliance is the key aspect, and the economic agreements grew around it. It's a similar concept to Cyprum's co-ops, the Triumvirate, and the very same Co-Op AMEN fought against in the SAW.

Ok, so I remembered correctly that AMEN had military aspects (yus !).

But think about about it Mish - Cyprum, in his Co-Opts, was able to pick and choose whom he promised what to, how much he promised, and so forth. He was not obligated to promise anything to anyone he didn't want to, and he could treat everyone differently if he wanted to. He controlled, one-on-one, who he was allied to and how the alliance was structured. Same with Nov, though I am not familiar with him having as many alliance, but the principle applies - he chose everyone and everything.

If the join AMEN (or an AMEN styled Alliance), then blanket promises are made to everyone in the alliance, including nations that enter at a later date and nations they were jsut at war with. Cyprum and Nov (and everyone, really,) would basically be signing a non-agression and mutual defense treaty with every freaking nation in the east, as well as, I imagine, agreeing to certain economic privileges as well! Every nation they just fought in AMEN, all their existing and potential rivals, They must EVERYONE. Now, EVERYONE must protect THEM to, but when you're Nov or Cyprum, that's less of a concern, and the benefit in protection is probably not worth the cost in freedom to them. That's WAAAY different from Cyprum's Co-Opts, and is far less desirable to Nationalist-leaning, Uber-populus and militaristic nations.

Now, as far as the Triumverate, it always struck me as being more in lines with the Triple Entante between France, England, and Russia pre-WWI, being more militarily than economically driven. But, for sake of argument, let's allow that it is at least as economically limiting as AMEN...

1.) That's them:

Servoth, Vitz, and Cygnar are all nations with very different cultures and in very different political and geographical positions. They already have emerged onto the global market, they trade regularly, and their fears (Agressions from Fanaglia, Inoroth (though OOC, they know I'm a sleeping giant who doesn't attack willy-nilly), Dalruanazkal, Wirble, etc) are far different from Cyprum's and Nov's (Ummm... Famines? Plaques? Imposition of Foreign Ideals on their beloved populace?)... so it makes sense for them to band together. It does not follow that it also makes sense for Cyprum and Nov to band together with AMEN

2.) The Power of Three:

The Triumverate is composed of three nations who searched eachother out, selected from a large(ish) pool of possibles. They rejected: Inoroth, Dal, Wirble, Vjiay, Fan, Averi, and Gratia. So, the alliance only consists of less than 30% of the total region.

Basically, those three thought they would work well togetheras a check and balance to the others, and that the alliance would help them compete with other regional rivals and potential regional rivals.

The Pact, on the other hand, aims to include ALL powers in the region, or 100% of the possible candidates, and if Cyprum and Nov budge, it will succeed in that. Anyone who thought they might ever have a regional rival might consider passing on The Pact (if they were able to protect themselves).

3.) Benefits and Burdens

Servoth, Vitz, and Cygnar all contribute significantly to the goals of the alliance... they are all at roughly the same magnitude of power, and none of them could utterly dominate another, let alone two.

However, a mobilized Cyprum could potentially dominate two or three Eastern Nations, and the same could be said for Nov. They might not want and equal voice, equal rights, equal power, and/or equality in general, because their high populations and industries make them the regional powerhouses.

Essentially, yes, although that is a relatively trite way to refer to the alliance. The mutual defense clause is necessary to prevent needless wars (like the SAW) and help the region defend against outside invaders/aggressors. This is a minor string, and one Cyprum, Novairia, Servoth, Cygnar, Vitz, Inoroth, AMEN members, and many more have all accepted currently or in the past. And that's the issue. Zhao is now permanently divided because nations can't get over what happened, and it's going to mess stuff up.

Conflict: that happens in war... and diplomacy...and in real life... and in Vapor... and everywhere. It's what makes stories interesting and it's what drives them. A no-conflict story sucks, frankly. Now, you're already pointed out that certain nations in Amplector haven't made a fair effort at finding/making conflicts on that continent, and I agree with much of that... hopefully Dal's demise, coupled with colonies and the 1910 War, bring that inevitable event to pass. But in the East, you need conflict too, otherwise it's just a boring story of the happy AMEN V 2.0, or the sterilized story of the "EAST VS WEST RARARARA". Don't follow our poor example - have conflict.

This is moot at this point. Marino's leaving the conference.

Wha-wha-what? I must be behind in SAW Posts again

@Vjiay - Nice new chart... Mine's already outdated

[Vjiay]

@SAW: Woah, Marino just left like that. Now there's some independence for ya.

Well, all I must do now is get back at King Amano.

@Mish: Is Marino leaving for good? You're just going to keep tension with Novaria and go on with hostilities?

EDIT: Wait, no. I see that Novaria's status will be determined later. However, that doesn't say anything about Marino's return [or no return].


@Vijay spectrum: Fan is just a bit ahead huh? We need to make more children...joking, just joking...maybe.

Haha well I figured Fan perhaps has a better mix of high pop./manpower and equipment than you but a war would be pretty even! I think that once you get to that end of the spectrum you're all going to be pretty even in all honesty.

@Ino: Nice detail! Now we must fuse my chart and your detail to create the perfect spectrum! (although, naturally, each and every nation probably has their own opinions on the spectrum!)

[Cyprum Xecuii]

Hmm, I see.

@Ino: Great! Although that list should be put in spoilers due to huge length.

[Sri Tschow]

I have made my own! Or rather, modified Vijay's one.

[Vitzenburg]

It is in my fine opinion that I am a super power!

[Sri Tschow]

Nope.avi

[Vjiay]

I have made my own! Or rather, modified Vijay's one.

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I'm a Pelly-Power

Also, is Cygnar really considered that powerful? Perhaps I have missed a certain RP?

[Cyprum Xecuii]

The self-deprecating side of myself is disappointed that I am top in Sri's spectrum.

[Servoth]

I have made my own! Or rather, modified Vijay's one.

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Wait, how did Cygnar get above me and Vitz? He's been in "isolation" since 1871, and only came out in 1901! How did he become a superpower without subjecting anything to force or diplomancy outside of his end of isolation party? Sri, you have really screwed up somethings on this chart.

[Sri Tschow]

My government's opinions.