A Lost Age [PT/FanT World] (Open)

[Aqizithiuda]

I think the second one is what we agreed.

Up to approximately 14th centuryish minus gunpowder. Think Game of Thrones or Lord of the Rings as two worlds that would fit in with this one pretty well.

Up to the 14th century, or up to the end of the 14th century? Just to be 100% clear.

[SquareDisc City]

Is there even that much of note that was invented in the 14th C.?

[Aqizithiuda]

Is there even that much of note that was invented in the 14th C.?

The 14th century marks the rise of plate armour in Europe, from smaller reinforcing plates that protected some vulnerable areas and coats of plate, to solid breast plates by the end. The 15th century marks the massive increase in tempered armour, although munition and mid grade wasn't.

You also see innovations, such as the goats foot lever, steel prodded arbalest, segmental arch bridge, floating crane, hour glasses, weight driven mechanical clocks, compound cranks, illustrated surgical atlases, and quarantine.

[The Akasha Colony]

Is there even that much of note that was invented in the 14th C.?

The 14th century marks the rise of plate armour in Europe, from smaller reinforcing plates that protected some vulnerable areas and coats of plate, to solid breast plates by the end. The 15th century marks the massive increase in tempered armour, although munition and mid grade wasn't.

You also see innovations, such as the goats foot lever, steel prodded arbalest, segmental arch bridge, floating crane, hour glasses, weight driven mechanical clocks, compound cranks, illustrated surgical atlases, and quarantine.

Plate armor seems reasonably common here so the end of the 14th century seems more likely.

[Numer]

Redemption America, I was going to have a man approach Andaer and offer him a job: kill the Taviric character and Matmur, the man he's looking for. But did you have something else in mind?

[Aqizithiuda]

The 14th century marks the rise of plate armour in Europe, from smaller reinforcing plates that protected some vulnerable areas and coats of plate, to solid breast plates by the end. The 15th century marks the massive increase in tempered armour, although munition and mid grade wasn't.

You also see innovations, such as the goats foot lever, steel prodded arbalest, segmental arch bridge, floating crane, hour glasses, weight driven mechanical clocks, compound cranks, illustrated surgical atlases, and quarantine.

Plate armor seems reasonably common here so the end of the 14th century seems more likely.

Excellent, thanks.

[Great Houses of Xie]

I'm sensing a massive wank problem in the War of the River thread: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=243419. Angle started with 54,000 troops, composed of 10,000 falcon warriors, 10,000 axebearers, 5,000 pikebearers, 5,000 crossarchers, 5,000 archers, 5,000 orticus, 2,000 mounted riders, and 2,000 charioteers. Overnight, he edits his army composition (that would be up against the mountain trolls) to eliminate the axebearers and archers. The numbers of falcon warriors are doubled and pikebearers are quadrupled. The number of mounted riders was increased to 7,000 and the charioteers to 4,000.

This is in addition to editing and suddenly adding pikebearers to his force declaration a couple days ago, when they weren't there 5 days ago, according to my telegrams.

Given the sudden addition, I'm inclined to state that the pikebearers are probably improperly drilled, given the suddenness of their arming and training. The minotaurs have a definite focus on 1v1, with emphasis being given to swordplay and with nothing to formations, something reflected by his RPs thus far. Or worse, with no mention of their training and merely a sudden arming, they probably have no idea what they're doing with the pikes.

It may be that I'm jumping at shadows, but in summary, I believe Angle is wanking by sneakily, suddenly, and drastically increasing his numbers, as well as drastically attempting to change his established army doctrines by drastically changing its composition (also sneakily, via unannounced and inexplicable edits).

[Angle Empire]

I'm sensing a massive wank problem in the War of the River thread: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=243419. Angle started with 54,000 troops, composed of 10,000 falcon warriors, 10,000 axebearers, 5,000 pikebearers, 5,000 crossarchers, 5,000 archers, 5,000 orticus, 2,000 mounted riders, and 2,000 charioteers. Overnight, he edits his army composition (that would be up against the mountain trolls) to eliminate the axebearers and archers. The numbers of falcon warriors are doubled and pikebearers are quadrupled. The number of mounted riders was increased to 7,000 and the charioteers to 4,000.

This is in addition to editing and suddenly adding pikebearers to his force declaration a couple days ago, when they weren't there 5 days ago, according to my telegrams.

Given the sudden addition, I'm inclined to state that the pikebearers are probably improperly drilled, given the suddenness of their arming and training. The minotaurs have a definite focus on 1v1, with emphasis being given to swordplay and with nothing to formations, something reflected by his RPs thus far. Or worse, with no mention of their training and merely a sudden arming, they probably have no idea what they're doing with the pikes.

It may be that I'm jumping at shadows, but in summary, I believe Angle is wanking by sneakily, suddenly, and drastically increasing his numbers, as well as drastically attempting to change his established army doctrines by drastically changing its composition (also sneakily, via unannounced and inexplicable edits).

I had actually came up with the idea of pikes a week ago long before this and just got around to it. If i was fighting Roman legions, i wouldn't add Roman units to compensate. And i see you're upset about the numbers(maybe cause you want this to be a walk in the park for the Troll horde), i will change them back.

[Honorisia]

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Not seeing the problem with him having pikemen. He's entitled to have his RP nation be the way he wants it to be. If its the numbers, then I somewhat agree. But it sounds like you don't think pikes would fit the Minotaur's theme. If that's the case, then give him a chance. Let him mold his nation into his ideal fantasy realm.

[Great Houses of Xie]

I don't expect a walk in the park, at all, for a number of reasons, none of which I would like to elaborate given several instances of meta-gaming in as many of your posts.

"If i was fighting Roman legions, i wouldn't add Roman units to compensate." It looks as though you added pikemen to compensate fighting against pikemen, in addition to beefing the number of crossbowmen and eliminating the normal archers, altogether =T.

Mebbe you had the idea a week ago. However, the RP for the river had already been under way, so the inception of pike use would have started, according to the thread timeline, a couple months or so after the start. Which means the army closest to the mountain trolls would not have pikes. Or, they could have them, but.....

As I pointed out, suddenly using pikes is a huge doctrinal change. Its development as a main minotaur weapon should be RPed or rationalized. For example, I didn't suddenly give the Shie Nangun pike equivalents. Its leadership saw a need for the pikes given the more open ground (as opposed to close-quarters jungle fighting) it intended to fight upon. The Nangun then spent time training. I RPed both events out.

By contrast, the Stetthians retained their 1v1 focus, despite constantly fighting on open ground. This is reflected by order quickly breaking down and the Stetthians reverting to one v one. The focus is also stated in the factbook.

EDIT:: In response to Honorisia, it's less a matter of "it doesn't fit the theme," it's that it's so sudden and massive a change. I'm all for letting him mold his realm. When it's as sudden as this, I feel it's less tasteful molding and just wanking. Kind of get my drift?

[Honorisia]

EDIT:: In response to Honorisia, it's less a matter of "it doesn't fit the theme," it's that it's so sudden and massive a change. I'm all for letting him mold his realm. When it's as sudden as this, I feel it's less tasteful molding and just wanking. Kind of get my drift?

Ah, I was under the impression that he had RP'd them into existence. If he just edited them in, then I understand.

[Angle Empire]

EDIT:: In response to Honorisia, it's less a matter of "it doesn't fit the theme," it's that it's so sudden and massive a change. I'm all for letting him mold his realm. When it's as sudden as this, I feel it's less tasteful molding and just wanking. Kind of get my drift?

Ah, I was under the impression that he had RP'd them into existence. If he just edited them in, then I understand.

I had actually came up with the idea of pikes a week ago long before this and just got around to it. If i was fighting Roman legions, i wouldn't add Roman units to compensate. That would be wrong.

[Great Houses of Xie]

Ah, I was under the impression that he had RP'd them into existence. If he just edited them in, then I understand.

My apologies; I was unclear. Yes, he just edited them in with no RPing done to justify it.

[Great Houses of Xie]

Just a log of edits that Angle is going through to suddenly and drastically improve his army in the face of the prospect of PvP RP:

- Kopesh Warrior was edited just now to Falcon Warrior. Previously, the Kopesh warrior was armed with two kopesh swords and a falcon sword. Now, the falcon warriors are armed with a single falcon sword, shield, and throwing spear.

- Existence of the kopesh warrior is confirmed (for those who weren't aware) by the subsequent axebearer description, which references the kopesh warrior by saying that the axebearer has stronger armor than the now non-existant kopesh warrior. At the time of this post, the reference is still there.

- Pikebearers are suddenly the backbone of the minotaur army when the kopesh warriors were before.

- Has still completely eliminated the archers' existence from Argban's army, in favor of the increased number of mounted riders.

- Has still completely eliminated the axebearers' existence from Argban's army, in favor of the increased number of suddenly edited falcon warriors.

- There's suddenly a second army that spawned as a result of editing to circumvent my complaint that Argban's army was suddenly edited to be larger.

A mere list to note things down before I forget, following my taking a nap to come back to this with a clearer and more rested head.

[Angle Empire]

Just a log of edits that Angle is going through to suddenly and drastically improve his army in the face of the prospect of PvP RP:

- Kopesh Warrior was edited just now to Falcon Warrior. Previously, the Kopesh warrior was armed with two kopesh swords and a falcon sword. Now, the falcon warriors are armed with a single falcon sword, shield, and throwing spear.

- Existence of the kopesh warrior is confirmed (for those who weren't aware) by the subsequent axebearer description, which references the kopesh warrior by saying that the axebearer has stronger armor than the now non-existant kopesh warrior. At the time of this post, the reference is still there.

- Pikebearers are suddenly the backbone of the minotaur army when the kopesh warriors were before.

- Has still completely eliminated the archers' existence from Argban's army, in favor of the increased number of mounted riders.

Has still completely eliminated the axebearers' existence from Argban's army, in favor of the increased number of suddenly edited falcon warriors.

- There's suddenly a second army that spawned as a result of editing to circumvent my complaint that Argban's army was suddenly edited to be larger.

A mere list to note things down before I forget, following my taking a nap to come back to this with a clearer and more rested head.

"Existence of the kopesh warrior is confirmed (for those who weren't aware) by the subsequent axebearer description, which references the kopesh warrior by saying that the axebearer has stronger armor than the now non-existant kopesh warrior. At the time of this post, the reference is still there." Edited

"Has still completely eliminated the archers' existence from Argban's army, in favor of the increased number of mounted riders." Irrelevant because i forgot which types i wrote down first

"Has still completely eliminated the axebearers' existence from Argban's army, in favor of the increased number of suddenly edited falcon warriors." All your complaints are because i have changed HYDRICHATAN'S army types. I have been planning to edit them for quite some time and just got around to it. Not because i am in competition with another realm.

"Has still completely eliminated the axebearers' existence from Argban's army, in favor of the increased number of suddenly edited falcon warriors." I can decide what army types i want in my army.

"- Pikebearers are suddenly the backbone of the minotaur army when the kopesh warriors were before." Notice my first post in the thread.

"- There's suddenly a second army that spawned as a result of editing to circumvent my complaint that Argban's army was suddenly edited to be larger." LE MAP:

Notice the small force above Argban's. The "bitter lake" is the small blue dot above the mountain province.

All my edits were planned long before your interference in the Troll campaign.

[Releign]

App spot/ wants it to be on my posts list.
Will do app later.

[The Akasha Colony]

App spot/ wants it to be on my posts list.
Will do app later.

There's an Application Thread.

[The knights of kings]

I'm sensing a massive wank problem in the War of the River thread: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=243419. -snippero-

Hmm I was unaware this thread was in existence! It seems very interesting and I would love for Prinnia to be involved in a very limited manner.

[Angle Empire]

I'm sensing a massive wank problem in the War of the River thread: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=243419. -snippero-

Hmm I was unaware this thread was in existence! It seems very interesting and I would love for Prinnia to be involved in a very limited manner.

I don't think it is logical for you to sail half-way around the world to train a bunch of Trolls.

The same with Ashaka and Xie. Shie's assistance to the Trolls does nothing but sever trade relations with Stetthia and Shie.

[The Akasha Colony]

Hmm I was unaware this thread was in existence! It seems very interesting and I would love for Prinnia to be involved in a very limited manner.

I don't think it is logical for you to sail half-way around the world to train a bunch of Trolls.

The same with Ashaka and Xie. Shie's assistance to the Trolls does nothing but sever trade relations with Stetthia and Shie.

My nation is not formally assisting anyone. My character simply wanders around, looking for fights in which to practice his swordsmanship. There isn't anything about him that would reasonably even tie him to the Five Republics, since he's a human and there are no shortage of those around, and presumably he speaks the local tongues.

[Angle Empire]

I don't think it is logical for you to sail half-way around the world to train a bunch of Trolls.

The same with Ashaka and Xie. Shie's assistance to the Trolls does nothing but sever trade relations with Stetthia and Shie.

My nation is not formally assisting anyone. My character simply wanders around, looking for fights in which to practice his swordsmanship. There isn't anything about him that would reasonably even tie him to the Five Republics, since he's a human and there are no shortage of those around, and presumably he speaks the local tongues.

But the Trolls will most likely kill you if you don't offer them something. Maybe you could add to the story you are looking for the artifact thingamabob(I don't have a name for it yet ) on the island.

[The Akasha Colony]

My nation is not formally assisting anyone. My character simply wanders around, looking for fights in which to practice his swordsmanship. There isn't anything about him that would reasonably even tie him to the Five Republics, since he's a human and there are no shortage of those around, and presumably he speaks the local tongues.

But the Trolls will most likely kill you if you don't offer them something. Maybe you could add to the story you are looking for the artifact thingamabob(I don't have a name for it yet ) on the island.

My character has no interest in the artifact. He's working with Kamiya's army, and is a more skilled combatant than most of the trolls there.

[Great Houses of Xie]

i'm well aware of your map. that's why i'm saying your army magically spawned, since the smaller army should be much further north, north of that little lake, not south of it.

indeed, what akasha said. shie is not formally helping anyone, nor is there anything to give them away. this is the lone venture of a single ambitious man with a lot of money and free time to spend.

the problem is that the edits are being carried out in the middle of the rp with absolutely no forewarning and very, very fortuitously to give the stetthians an edge they definitely did not have before

it's like if i were to suddenly invade anantar, then right before our armies clash, i claim that my yari ashigaru all suddenly have plate armor. ish'cong wouldn't care if i had "planned" to have the yari ashigaru have plate armor. it, for one, makes no sense for the sudden change, given a lack of rp. the second, and the more pressing issue, is that it's very bad form to suddenly upgrade in the midst of pvp rp. it's the rp equivalent of cheating, to upgrade your troops in such a manner.

EDIT - or, i'm sure you would be very unhappy if i were to suddenly claim a second large army coming out of the mountains. likewise would happen if i were to suddenly edit my posts such that the entire troll army is composed mostly of very large trolls, because i planned on initially having large trolls, but figured it'd be more fair to cut down on them. do you see where i'm coming from, yet?

[Angle Empire]

i'm well aware of your map. that's why i'm saying your army magically spawned, since the smaller army should be much further north, north of that little lake, not south of it.

indeed, what akasha said. shie is not formally helping anyone, nor is there anything to give them away. this is the lone venture of a single ambitious man with a lot of money and free time to spend.

the problem is that the edits are being carried out in the middle of the rp with absolutely no forewarning and very, very fortuitously to give the stetthians an edge they definitely did not have before

it's like if i were to suddenly invade anantar, then right before our armies clash, i claim that my yari ashigaru all suddenly have plate armor. ish'cong wouldn't care if i had "planned" to have the yari ashigaru have plate armor. it, for one, makes no sense for the sudden change, given a lack of rp. the second, and the more pressing issue, is that it's very bad form to suddenly upgrade in the midst of pvp rp. it's the rp equivalent of cheating, to upgrade your troops in such a manner.

EDIT - or, i'm sure you would be very unhappy if i were to suddenly claim a second large army coming out of the mountains. likewise would happen if i were to suddenly edit my posts such that the entire troll army is composed mostly of very large trolls, because i planned on initially having large trolls, but figured it'd be more fair to cut down on them. do you see where i'm coming from, yet?

I will say it again I HAVE IN NO WAY ASSOCIATED MY UNIT CHANGES WITH ANY ACTIONS TAKEN BY ANYONE IN THE RP!!!

[Honorisia]

Angle, are you reading what he's saying? He basically told you that upgrading your troops IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RP is cheating. I'm inclined to agree with him. If I was in a war with someone and their troops suddenly changed to a completely different tactic, I'd be very pissed off.