CAPINTERN [Capitalist International] Alliance

[Allanea]

OOC: You do know that supporters of capitalism IRL rarely use the term 'neoliberal' as a self-descriptor yes?

[Thermodolia]

OOC: Other than the fact I don't really like the term 'neoliberal', yeah.

Contact me if you have ideas for RPs.

(It's neoliberal if you lot actually set up an international league of people who like capitalism and want to spread the idea of capitalism both through economic succes and domestic propaganda...)

OOC: That’s not neoliberalism.

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

(It's neoliberal if you lot actually set up an international league of people who like capitalism and want to spread the idea of capitalism both through economic succes and domestic propaganda...)

OOC: That’s not neoliberalism.

OOC: It's textbook neoliberalism/lowtoryism

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

(It's neoliberal if you lot actually set up an international league of people who like capitalism and want to spread the idea of capitalism both through economic succes and domestic propaganda...)

OOC: That’s not neoliberalism.

1. Military protection (Requires a state with taxes to run a military. Laissez-Faire capitalism with a state that backs both the market by liberal economic policies and the worker by social policies is referred to as a "Social Market System/Rhine Capitalism"
2. Economic stability/growth through free trade. (Free international trade, often without barriers and restrictions, is a key compartment of the social market economy's philosophy)
3. Obtain more allies (Expanding the alliance through international treaties is a neoliberal/lowtoryite idea)
4. Promote Capitalism (Promotion of capitalism can either be done through economic succes or through "domestic propaganda", by whatever means. Strife to economic succes is not inherently wrong, but you can see that it's not necessarily a humane way to promote capitalism, and domestic propaganda would also either be spread by the state or by industries who have been authorized to spread it. The succesful results of global capitalism, especially of that of individual companies on the stock market, will not be broadly brought into the news, either domestically or internationally, without financial support from the succesful company to the newspaper/media outlet describing it. The "Freedom of the press" to be bought over by companies also needs a (neo-)liberal state to authorize the companies to buy themselves into the media.)
5. Defend against anti-Capitalist agressors (The defence of the nation against outsiders has always been a task of the state. Something that neo-liberals, that strongly believe in a state, support.)

[Allanea]

OOC: That’s not neoliberalism.

OOC: It's textbook neoliberalism/lowtoryism

OOC: Neoliberalism is essentially a term that is mostly used by opponents of capitalism to describe its supporters. With the one exception of the Adam Smith Institute in the UK ,it's rarely used by the people that are termed 'neoliberals' mainly as it is very ill-defined.

This organization here includes every manner of capitalist country, from welfare states similar to Sweden to countries pursuing conservative (like Reichskampen), minarchist libertarian (like Allanea), etc. policies.

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

OOC: It's textbook neoliberalism/lowtoryism

OOC: Neoliberalism is essentially a term that is mostly used by opponents of capitalism to describe its supporters. With the one exception of the Adam Smith Institute in the UK ,it's rarely used by the people that are termed 'neoliberals' mainly as it is very ill-defined.

This organization here includes every manner of capitalist country, from welfare states similar to Sweden to countries pursuing conservative (like Reichskampen), minarchist libertarian (like Allanea), etc. policies.

OOC:That's not true, neoliberals are people who support a mix of welfare capitalism (The scandinavian system that is in place in nations such as Denmark), and Classical capitalism (The Anglo-American system that is in place in nations such as the UK or the US.)

Neoliberals are not an umbrella term, and based on your rules, you appear to be a society pointed towards neoliberals, mostly because this is an INTERNATIONAL alliance whose goal it is to EXPAND TRADE and SUPPORT EACHOTHER DURING TIMES OF WAR. That mix of internationalism/laissez-faire capitalism/trust in government protection, aka "my government will help you, and my business will too!" is a neoliberal idea.

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

OOC: It's textbook neoliberalism/lowtoryism

OOC: Neoliberalism is essentially a term that is mostly used by opponents of capitalism to describe its supporters. With the one exception of the Adam Smith Institute in the UK ,it's rarely used by the people that are termed 'neoliberals' mainly as it is very ill-defined.

This organization here includes every manner of capitalist country, from welfare states similar to Sweden to countries pursuing conservative (like Reichskampen), minarchist libertarian (like Allanea), etc. policies.

Neoliberalism isn't "ill-defined", and not every capitalist is a neoliberal, as I've explained...

[Yohannes]

CAPINTERN observer nation here:

Hi Vrijstaat Limburg, just so you know I rarely intervene with things like this (because I want to [try to] stay neutral), but when you said

OOC: So this is just the neoliberal version of the International Socialist Volunteer Corps? lol

Do you mean this organisation? [ viewtopic.php?f=5&t=235405 ]

If so, Allanea has been here much longer than probably anyone in this thread (including me). He certainly did not copy that organisation's idea nor did he copy any other historical NationStates organisation's (idea). As regards 'neoliberalism', I can see that this is going to be turned into an endless debate about something that will probably go down south out of character quick. I am not Allanea (nor am I a full member), but I believe that the purpose of this thread is not to discuss what is the definition of "neoliberalism" in real life -- this thread is basically a collection of so so market to pro market friendly nations who want to band together and (ideally) protect one another.

I know that this will probably offend you (and I am sorry Allanea if you disagree with this), but (I believe that) Allanea has been on NationStates far longer than you are -- I don't think he (or us, really, as members and observers of this organisation) need you lecturing him (or us) about the meaning of "neoliberalism" and whether CAPINTERN is a legitimate organisation or not in CAPINTERN's thread (which, again, has a long history on NationStates since 2009, and even before that, e.g. Stoklomolvi vs. GWO Allanea etc.)

About CAPINTERN... Allanea, would you be open to having an investment kind of contribution (like what you did for me last year with Othlon Corporaton) instead of having the contribution be (just) cash (350 billion NSD)? I feel like in terms of RP flexibility if my contribution can be turned into an investment kind of deal (over the years) it would be lovely because then I can RP it into something for my storyline (instead of just saying "I give the cash to CAPINTERN"). If that's not acceptable all good then! Haha, just wonderin'

[Allanea]

OOC:

Just for the record, I neither invented CAPINTERN nor stole the idea from anyone, but rather I carried out an in-character coup because originally CAPINTERN was headed by some other individuals whom I had some IC differences with.

Now, I don't believe it's fruitful to have a debate over a precise definition of 'neoliberalism' but I'll just cap this off by saying the following:

This organization is open to all nations and nation-like entities which support a basic level of human rights and a capitalist economic system, not just those which are typically defined as neo-liberals. In the past, anarcho-capitalist entities (that are definitely not neoliberal and are not strictly 'nations' at all) have been members.

As for Yohannes' offer, I don't have a complete understanding of what is implies.

ICly speaking the CAPINTERN emergency fund is deposited either in the form of precikous metals, or in secure accounts with some sort of very very trustable banks (I am not sure which ones, and I have never actually had the time to work it out). I don't think it is super-wise for the CAPINTERN emergency fund to contain corporate stock because it might limit the liquidity ikt might have in an emergency.

I'm not super-open to the idea of previous donations being retconned into such a thing, but if you might want to make one in the future, I would have to discuss this in-character with other nations with whom I share some leadership duties.

Perhaps an RP?

[Yohannes]

with some sort of very very trustable banks (I am not sure which ones, and I have never actually had the time to work it out)

Lol

I'm not super-open to the idea of previous donations being retconned into such a thing, but if you might want to make one in the future, I would have to discuss this in-character with other nations with whom I share some leadership duties.

Perhaps an RP?

It's not going to involve other players' nations; just your nation and mine

That being said, if even that will require other leadership players' permission I think it's best to keep the thing as "paid to CAPINTERN" (as original). Less hassle that way. About RP offer, I don't bother writing in other peoples threads these days unless I fiind the peoples threads to be funny or interesting (enough for me to post a RP style reply). But sure. I woould be open to a simple RP. Dunno might be a gud way for me to bursh-up my RPing skills

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

CAPINTERN observer nation here:

Hi Vrijstaat Limburg, just so you know I rarely intervene with things like this (because I want to [try to] stay neutral), but when you said

OOC: So this is just the neoliberal version of the International Socialist Volunteer Corps? lol

Do you mean this organisation? [ viewtopic.php?f=5&t=235405 ]

If so, Allanea has been here much longer than probably anyone in this thread (including me). He certainly did not copy that organisation's idea nor did he copy any other historical NationStates organisation's (idea). As regards 'neoliberalism', I can see that this is going to be turned into an endless debate about something that will probably go down south out of character quick. I am not Allanea (nor am I a full member), but I believe that the purpose of this thread is not to discuss what is the definition of "neoliberalism" in real life -- this thread is basically a collection of so so market to pro market friendly nations who want to band together and (ideally) protect one another.

I know that this will probably offend you (and I am sorry Allanea if you disagree with this), but (I believe that) Allanea has been on NationStates far longer than you are -- I don't think he (or us, really, as members and observers of this organisation) need you lecturing him (or us) about the meaning of "neoliberalism" and whether CAPINTERN is a legitimate organisation or not in CAPINTERN's thread (which, again, has a long history on NationStates since 2009, and even before that, e.g. Stoklomolvi vs. GWO Allanea etc.)

About CAPINTERN... Allanea, would you be open to having an investment kind of contribution (like what you did for me last year with Othlon Corporaton) instead of having the contribution be (just) cash (350 billion NSD)? I feel like in terms of RP flexibility if my contribution can be turned into an investment kind of deal (over the years) it would be lovely because then I can RP it into something for my storyline (instead of just saying "I give the cash to CAPINTERN"). If that's not acceptable all good then! Haha, just wonderin'

OOC: I never claimed that this organisation was copying the ISVC. As far as I'm concerned, originality is not important. Having an alternative version of something doesn't mean copying it, nor have I ever implied that it was. I was just wondering whether this was indeed an international organisation for capitalists, just like the International Socialist Volunteer Corps is for socialists. Me asking: "So this is just the neoliberal version of the International Socialist Volunteer Corps? lol" is not implying that it's not original or that it's a copy, and should NOT be interpreted as that.

As far as me "lecturing" you guys about neoliberalism: I'm not. I'm just trying to understand what this organisation really entails, and as I've stated, it's an international union of nations striving cooperating both econimically and militarily, and "internationalism", "state protection" and "capitalism" are three things that are prevalent in neoliberal philosophy, so that's far more of a observation than a statement or a point of discussion. I'm not trying to lecture anybody, I wanted to see how the union's members interpreted it, and how the objective stances of neoliberalism match with this organisation. I'm not trying to spoonfeed you basic politics, I'm trying to understand what this unit really is, and to think otherwise, especially from your perspective, is silly.

I never claimed that CAPINTERN was copying the SIVC, I never claimed that it was unoriginal, I never claimed that you people are misguided, I never claimed superiority of socialism or any other economic philosophy over capitalism, I never claimed that I was "more experienced" or whatever you seem to imply about time spent on this forum/site, I never claimed or implied that time spent on this forum equates to knowledge about political/economic philosophies or international cooperation, I never claimed that the CAPINTERN was an illegitimate organisation (I think it's a very respectworthy and strong organisation, considering that it's got so many followers and active posters, and power to the union for that.), I never claimed that anybody lectured anybody about anything, I never claimed the moral highground.

All I wanted to achieve was a thoughtful discussion about this alliance's goals and achievements, and why so many people see it as an umbrella organisation for all capitalist-leaning nations, while it mostly seems to be guided to neoliberals ideologically. No clue how that turned to "lecturing", or why somebody who isn't really affiliated with the organisation should turn up and tell me that what I'm doing is disrespectful/lecturing. As far as I know, this organisation might be really attractive to me, and so that I can understand the motives of people who I wouldn't expect to be here (such as fiscal/social conservatives) for joining this alliance. Is that lecturing somebody, or trying to spoonfeed somebody the philosophy of neoliberalism? If it is, please tell me how.

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

OOC: This organization is open to all nations and nation-like entities which support a basic level of human rights and a capitalist economic system, not just those which are typically defined as neo-liberals. In the past, anarcho-capitalist entities (that are definitely not neoliberal and are not strictly 'nations' at all) have been members.

How can AnCaps be part of your alliance if they have no way to contribute 1 billion dollars, seeing that they don't have a state to give out that money? Can AnCap nations even enter political alliances if they don't have a state?

[Yohannes]

CAPINTERN observer nation here:

Hi Vrijstaat Limburg, just so you know I rarely intervene with things like this (because I want to [try to] stay neutral), but when you said



Do you mean this organisation? [ viewtopic.php?f=5&t=235405 ]

If so, Allanea has been here much longer than probably anyone in this thread (including me). He certainly did not copy that organisation's idea nor did he copy any other historical NationStates organisation's (idea). As regards 'neoliberalism', I can see that this is going to be turned into an endless debate about something that will probably go down south out of character quick. I am not Allanea (nor am I a full member), but I believe that the purpose of this thread is not to discuss what is the definition of "neoliberalism" in real life -- this thread is basically a collection of so so market to pro market friendly nations who want to band together and (ideally) protect one another.

I know that this will probably offend you (and I am sorry Allanea if you disagree with this), but (I believe that) Allanea has been on NationStates far longer than you are -- I don't think he (or us, really, as members and observers of this organisation) need you lecturing him (or us) about the meaning of "neoliberalism" and whether CAPINTERN is a legitimate organisation or not in CAPINTERN's thread (which, again, has a long history on NationStates since 2009, and even before that, e.g. Stoklomolvi vs. GWO Allanea etc.)

About CAPINTERN... Allanea, would you be open to having an investment kind of contribution (like what you did for me last year with Othlon Corporaton) instead of having the contribution be (just) cash (350 billion NSD)? I feel like in terms of RP flexibility if my contribution can be turned into an investment kind of deal (over the years) it would be lovely because then I can RP it into something for my storyline (instead of just saying "I give the cash to CAPINTERN"). If that's not acceptable all good then! Haha, just wonderin'

OOC: I never claimed that this organisation was copying the ISVC. As far as I'm concerned, originality is not important. Having an alternative version of something doesn't mean copying it, nor have I ever implied that it was. I was just wondering whether this was indeed an international organisation for capitalists, just like the International Socialist Volunteer Corps is for socialists. Me asking: "So this is just the neoliberal version of the International Socialist Volunteer Corps? lol" is not implying that it's not original or that it's a copy, and should NOT be interpreted as that.

As far as me "lecturing" you guys about neoliberalism: I'm not. I'm just trying to understand what this organisation really entails, and as I've stated, it's an international union of nations striving cooperating both econimically and militarily, and "internationalism", "state protection" and "capitalism" are three things that are prevalent in neoliberal philosophy, so that's far more of a observation than a statement or a point of discussion. I'm not trying to lecture anybody, I wanted to see how the union's members interpreted it, and how the objective stances of neoliberalism match with this organisation. I'm not trying to spoonfeed you basic politics, I'm trying to understand what this unit really is, and to think otherwise, especially from your perspective, is silly.

I never claimed that CAPINTERN was copying the SIVC, I never claimed that it was unoriginal, I never claimed that you people are misguided, I never claimed superiority of socialism or any other economic philosophy over capitalism, I never claimed that I was "more experienced" or whatever you seem to imply about time spent on this forum/site, I never claimed or implied that time spent on this forum equates to knowledge about political/economic philosophies or international cooperation, I never claimed that the CAPINTERN was an illegitimate organisation (I think it's a very respectworthy and strong organisation, considering that it's got so many followers and active posters, and power to the union for that.), I never claimed that anybody lectured anybody about anything, I never claimed the moral highground.

All I wanted to achieve was a thoughtful discussion about this alliance's goals and achievements, and why so many people see it as an umbrella organisation for all capitalist-leaning nations, while it mostly seems to be guided to neoliberals ideologically. No clue how that turned to "lecturing", or why somebody who isn't really affiliated with the organisation should turn up and tell me that what I'm doing is disrespectful/lecturing. As far as I know, this organisation might be really attractive to me, and so that I can understand the motives of people who I wouldn't expect to be here (such as fiscal/social conservatives) for joining this alliance. Is that lecturing somebody, or trying to spoonfeed somebody the philosophy of neoliberalism? If it is, please tell me how.

Oh my apololoigies I wias wrong youre right.

or why somebody who isn't really affiliated with the organisation should turn up and tell me that what I'm doing is disrespectful/lecturing

I am afiliffiated with thsi orgnanisation. I am a obrserver membre and wsa a membre. Iave posted hrere before

Edit: had a wee chat with Vrijstaat Limburg. I've decided to take back Yohannes' words above - I feel that it was quite impolite for Yohannes to address the player behind Vrijstaat Limburg that way. But I still stand by Yohannes' original position concerning this subject

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

OOC: I never claimed that this organisation was copying the ISVC. As far as I'm concerned, originality is not important. Having an alternative version of something doesn't mean copying it, nor have I ever implied that it was. I was just wondering whether this was indeed an international organisation for capitalists, just like the International Socialist Volunteer Corps is for socialists. Me asking: "So this is just the neoliberal version of the International Socialist Volunteer Corps? lol" is not implying that it's not original or that it's a copy, and should NOT be interpreted as that.

As far as me "lecturing" you guys about neoliberalism: I'm not. I'm just trying to understand what this organisation really entails, and as I've stated, it's an international union of nations striving cooperating both econimically and militarily, and "internationalism", "state protection" and "capitalism" are three things that are prevalent in neoliberal philosophy, so that's far more of a observation than a statement or a point of discussion. I'm not trying to lecture anybody, I wanted to see how the union's members interpreted it, and how the objective stances of neoliberalism match with this organisation. I'm not trying to spoonfeed you basic politics, I'm trying to understand what this unit really is, and to think otherwise, especially from your perspective, is silly.

I never claimed that CAPINTERN was copying the SIVC, I never claimed that it was unoriginal, I never claimed that you people are misguided, I never claimed superiority of socialism or any other economic philosophy over capitalism, I never claimed that I was "more experienced" or whatever you seem to imply about time spent on this forum/site, I never claimed or implied that time spent on this forum equates to knowledge about political/economic philosophies or international cooperation, I never claimed that the CAPINTERN was an illegitimate organisation (I think it's a very respectworthy and strong organisation, considering that it's got so many followers and active posters, and power to the union for that.), I never claimed that anybody lectured anybody about anything, I never claimed the moral highground.

All I wanted to achieve was a thoughtful discussion about this alliance's goals and achievements, and why so many people see it as an umbrella organisation for all capitalist-leaning nations, while it mostly seems to be guided to neoliberals ideologically. No clue how that turned to "lecturing", or why somebody who isn't really affiliated with the organisation should turn up and tell me that what I'm doing is disrespectful/lecturing. As far as I know, this organisation might be really attractive to me, and so that I can understand the motives of people who I wouldn't expect to be here (such as fiscal/social conservatives) for joining this alliance. Is that lecturing somebody, or trying to spoonfeed somebody the philosophy of neoliberalism? If it is, please tell me how.

Oh my apololoigies I wias wrong youre right.

or why somebody who isn't really affiliated with the organisation should turn up and tell me that what I'm doing is disrespectful/lecturing

I am afiliffiated with thsi orgnanisation. I am a obrserver membre and wsa a membre. Iave posted hrere before

Why're you acting so silly?

[Allanea]

OOC: This organization is open to all nations and nation-like entities which support a basic level of human rights and a capitalist economic system, not just those which are typically defined as neo-liberals. In the past, anarcho-capitalist entities (that are definitely not neoliberal and are not strictly 'nations' at all) have been members.

How can AnCaps be part of your alliance if they have no way to contribute 1 billion dollars, seeing that they don't have a state to give out that money? Can AnCap nations even enter political alliances if they don't have a state?

OOC: Yes, I appreciate the difficulties.

But if someone turned up and they had an AnCap entity (say, a coalition of Private Defense Associations or City Management Corporations), and this group of people could act in lieu of a 'state' then I feel this would be okay.

[Thermodolia]

Hey Allanea can you add this stuff to the military support?

To: Whom it may Concern
From: Andrea Summers, Secretary of Defense of the National Republic of Thermodolia
Subject: CAPINTERN Military Donation
Encryption Level: High-Eyes Only

Greatings,

I have been asked by the President to lend our military resources to the CAPINTERN Alliance. We will be lending the following:

* TNS Care a Care Class 1,000 bed hospital ship
* 10,000 Front Line infantry troops
* 5 Thermodolian Secret Service (TSS) Listening posts
* 25 Thermodolian Military Intelligence Directorate (TMID) SIGINT FG-23 Spy satellites
* Joint Base James Doila (Which will be open to all CAPINTERN military units)
* 100 Type 34 MIRV ICBMs (The type 34s are able to hold 9 warheads)

We hope that these can be of use to CAPINTERN.

Sincerely,
Andrea Summers, Secretary of Defense

[Allanea]

All I wanted to achieve was a thoughtful discussion about this alliance's goals and achievements, and why so many people see it as an umbrella organisation for all capitalist-leaning nations, while it mostly seems to be guided to neoliberals ideologically. No clue how that turned to "lecturing", or why somebody who isn't really affiliated with the organisation should turn up and tell me that what I'm doing is disrespectful/lecturing. As far as I know, this organisation might be really attractive to me, and so that I can understand the motives of people who I wouldn't expect to be here (such as fiscal/social conservatives) for joining this alliance. Is that lecturing somebody, or trying to spoonfeed somebody the philosophy of neoliberalism? If it is, please tell me how.

Let me restate my objections one final time, and I hope it does not sound as some kind of obstinacy:

1. It's true that the leadership of this organization subscribes to ideology you might describe as 'neo-liberal'. However we do not self-describe in this way, for a range of reasons, and the range of criticisms of this term which can be found IRL.

2. The organization is intended to be an umbrella group for the protection of a range of capitalist states. Our policy is specifically to interpret this as broadly as we can (to include, to use real-world analogies, countries as diverse politically as real-world Norway and real-world Mexico), this to avoid partisan debates on who is the 'real' capitalist.

3. Countries that do not align perfectly with the ideas of classical liberalism can still be members, and receive the obvious benefits of trade, and most importantly military protection. As you've started by pointing out, a range of well-funded socialist organizations exist, and these are reasonably perceived as a military threat. Some of these did not exist at the time that CAPINTERN was founded, but the issue remained then. In addition, CAPINTERN provides various forms of assistance in the event of lesser emergencies (i.e. terrorist attacks, civil war, natural disaster) as part of its emergency form.

[Allanea]

Hey Allanea can you add this stuff to the military support?

To: Whom it may Concern
From: Andrea Summers, Secretary of Defense of the National Republic of Thermodolia
Subject: CAPINTERN Military Donation
Encryption Level: High-Eyes Only

Greatings,

I have been asked by the President to lend our military resources to the CAPINTERN Alliance. We will be lending the following:

* TNS Care a Care Class 1,000 bed hospital ship
* 10,000 Front Line infantry troops
* 5 Thermodolian Secret Service (TSS) Listening posts
* 25 Thermodolian Military Intelligence Directorate (TMID) SIGINT FG-23 Spy satellites
* Joint Base James Doila (Which will be open to all CAPINTERN military units)
* 100 Type 34 MIRV ICBMs (The type 34s are able to hold 9 warheads)

We hope that these can be of use to CAPINTERN.

Sincerely,
Andrea Summers, Secretary of Defense

OOC: Here we go.

[Menelmacar]

OOC: This organization is open to all nations and nation-like entities which support a basic level of human rights and a capitalist economic system, not just those which are typically defined as neo-liberals. In the past, anarcho-capitalist entities (that are definitely not neoliberal and are not strictly 'nations' at all) have been members.

How can AnCaps be part of your alliance if they have no way to contribute 1 billion dollars, seeing that they don't have a state to give out that money? Can AnCap nations even enter political alliances if they don't have a state?

Business?
A loan?
An IPO?
A consortium of private investors?
A crowdfunding campaign?

How does anyone not in government raise a billion dollars?

[The Union of British North America]

Application

Data
Nation name: Union of British North America (more official: Union of North American Provinces, but other name is also good to use)
Views on Capitalism: The UBNA considers itself Anglo-Saxon capitalist as well as welfare capitalist.
Nation population:
- (based on 2018 real world statistics) 373,927,483
- NS population: 2.161 billion
WA Government Classification: Left-leaning College State
Economic level (WA): 100
National political party in power: Whig party (big tent liberal party--social liberals to classical liberals though the former is dominant)
Current conflicts: None that are MT right now
Donation to CMFOU: 1 billion NS standard monetary units
Level of membership: full membership

RP sample
https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=444236&p=34123386#p34123386

Armed forces contribution proposal
Army-Marines Rapid Reaction Force (50,000 personnel, tank battalion, other necessary components for an operation to last two weeks)

[Allanea]

OOC: Are you in anyh non-MT conflicts? This is of course an all-tech alliance.

[The Union of British North America]

OOC: Are you in anyh non-MT conflicts? This is of course an all-tech alliance.

Yes. One is future tech and the other is WW2-era (missiles and nukes are not on the scene). They're both semi-open.

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

How can AnCaps be part of your alliance if they have no way to contribute 1 billion dollars, seeing that they don't have a state to give out that money? Can AnCap nations even enter political alliances if they don't have a state?

Business?
A loan?
An IPO?
A consortium of private investors?
A crowdfunding campaign?

How does anyone not in government raise a billion dollars?

"Member nations" - If there is no state, a "nation" cannot raise one billion dollars. Corporations can, sure, but they can't represent a nation.

Again - I never said that businesses aren't able to bring up one billion N$D, I said that there cannot be "ancap nations" who're members, considering that the nations cannot spend any money on anything. The closest thing to it would be crowdfunding, but that's not really a realistic option considering that it's not a one-time payment but instead an annual budget, and I'm not sure whether crowdfunding campaigns could even raise that much money for an alliance like the CAPINTERN. The citizens of the AnCap territories would probably be more comfortable joining an anti-communist military alliance like SACTO instead of paying 1 billion dollars anually.

[The Federation of Kendor]

App

Nation name: The Federal Democratic Meritocratic Republic of Kendor
Views on Capitalism: We support it. However, we also believe that they must be led with ethics and benevolence, and that some left wing ideals are good to be combined with capitalism for it.
Nation population: 1.189.009.198
WA Government Classification: Again, don't use NS stats, but Civil Rights Lovefest
Economic level (WA): I don't prefer NS stats, but 100
National political party in power: Prodigy Party
Current conflicts: None. But we do have tensions with some nations, such as the Lethen Empire, as well as certain communist nations, like Valgora
Donation to CMFOU: 5.500.000.000 NSD/year. We will also contribute two corps of 20.000 soldiers each for CMFOU, as well as a wing military unit of the Air Force and a fleet from the Navy (just assume both to have US Air Force and Navy level of equipments and personnels, respectively)
Level of membership: Full member
Additional nations to be submitted under the IPA: None

[Allanea]

Business?
A loan?
An IPO?
A consortium of private investors?
A crowdfunding campaign?

How does anyone not in government raise a billion dollars?

"Member nations" - If there is no state, a "nation" cannot raise one billion dollars. Corporations can, sure, but they can't represent a nation.

Again - I never said that businesses aren't able to bring up one billion N$D, I said that there cannot be "ancap nations" who're members, considering that the nations cannot spend any money on anything. The closest thing to it would be crowdfunding, but that's not really a realistic option considering that it's not a one-time payment but instead an annual budget, and I'm not sure whether crowdfunding campaigns could even raise that much money for an alliance like the CAPINTERN. The citizens of the AnCap territories would probably be more comfortable joining an anti-communist military alliance like SACTO instead of paying 1 billion dollars anually.

It's ultimately up to CAPINTERN admissions officers to decide who can, and who cannot 'represent' a 'nation'.