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A staging-point for declarations of war and other major diplomatic events. [In character]

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Nukes?

Allow them and their use. Nuclear holocaust is inevitable. Opens possibility of post-apocalyptic RPs.
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Allow them but not their use. No nuclear holocaust, but nations can make empty threats.
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(Mish's plan) Allow their discovery, but not their use beyond initial tests, after which, the weaponized technology will be destroyed. Allows for Mish's research RP and for later nuclear power, but no nuclear weapons.
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Use alternative laws of physics that somehow prevent nuclear technology from functioning at all.
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Postby Vitzenburg » Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:56 pm

Now we can scare the shit out of everyone like Orson Welles

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Postby Sri Tschow » Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:04 pm

Dammit. My lines of governmental communication in 1885 rely on radio!
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"Humans fight to the last. When all hope is lost, when everything stands to be taken? That's when they fight the hardest. I see no reason not to continue that tradition."~The Emerald Legion

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Postby Vitzenburg » Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:22 pm

ALL the shit is headed for Voerdeland.

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Servoth
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Postby Servoth » Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:25 pm

Vitzenburg wrote:ALL the shit is headed for Voerdeland.


At this point, Voedeland is like 1920s Germany. With poverty, starvation, and infection hanging around, many different parties will come together in a battle royale for political and military control of the nation. Until someone gets to the peak first and claims all for their own, who will that be you ask? No one will know until it happens.
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Mishmahig
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Postby Mishmahig » Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:29 pm

Servoth wrote:
Vitzenburg wrote:ALL the shit is headed for Voerdeland.


At this point, Voedeland is like 1920s Germany. With poverty, starvation, and infection hanging around, many different parties will come together in a battle royale for political and military control of the nation. Until someone gets to the peak first and claims all for their own, who will that be you ask? No one will know until it happens.


Not to mention persecution of specific religious groups. Should be fun. :D

Edit: Vjiay, did I ever respond to your telegram? I feel like I did, but I wrote so much when I was sleep deprived that I don't honestly remember....
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Vitzenburg
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Postby Vitzenburg » Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:30 pm

Welp, hopefully a voerdish party takes control.

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Mishmahig
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Postby Mishmahig » Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:32 pm

Vitzenburg wrote:Welp, hopefully a voerdish party takes control.


......AhahahahahhahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAMUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA <breaks off into a coughing fit>. But no, seriously. Given the sheer number of people involved and all the hidden agendas, there's no way a Voerish party will regain control of the country.....I think. :unsure:

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Postby Vitzenburg » Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:34 pm

Mishmahig wrote:
Vitzenburg wrote:Welp, hopefully a voerdish party takes control.


......AhahahahahhahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAMUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA <breaks off into a coughing fit>. But no, seriously. Given the sheer number of people involved and all the hidden agendas, there's no way a Voerish party will regain control of the country.....I think. :unsure:


D: well I know that's my interest at least.

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Inoroth
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Postby Inoroth » Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:02 pm

@Dal - Wait for me! Vinchero is coming to pay respects, if only for the sake of Mr. Alam. I'll have the post up in less than 12 hours.

@Vordenland people - What (if any) has the ruling of the RR Council been on this issue? The impedance of goods flowing west is clearly something they should be concerned about and have partial jurisdiction over? Otherwise, I shall have armed volunteer Inorothians go out to prevent genocide of 'All Christians', and then have some of them slaughtered in the chaos, prompting a government response, sound good to y'all?

@Cyprum - I know, right? We are filling this thread up so fast.

@Vitz and Gratia - Why do you want Vordenland to remain free? It is probably the right of self-determination, isn't it? Well, I think at least (IC) Vitz people should see that they are economically threatened by the blocking of the International RR. Gratia... I hope we can work something out. I know that Inorothian soldiers will not fire on your workers/troops unless relentlessly provoked, so that shouldn't be an issue. I'm pretty sure our friendship is stronger than this, right?

@Radio people - There were large radios in existence in WWI, and the Russians used them lots (though Germans intercepted and translated the messages). Because of the steampunk and accelerated tech levels, I say allow portable sets earlier. I even used one as a plot point for my Funeral Thread post.
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cosmopolitan/nationalistic: 4%
secular/religious: 63%
visionary/reactionary: 39%
anarchistc/authoritarian: 25%
communistic/capitalistic: 37%
pacifistic/militaristic: 48%
ecological.anthropological: 66%
I am apperantly a Neo-Conservative... who knew?

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Postby Fanaglia » Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:22 pm

OMG RADIO (Spoiler below -- making sure y'all see it)
Cyprum Xecuii wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Yeah! Finally, a use for AP rounds! On a side note, is radio allowed?


I'd allow it, but nothing with a huge ass range since modern radios made for mass production and availability weren't really invented yet. But of course, as to push us to be actually steampunk, i'd vote that we can use it.

Although in my military, smaller groups of infantry will use gongs, drums, and flutes to communicate as it won't compromise that much of the overall military location, and if you can turn it into a song from your country or something, it will be virtually impossible to decode.
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Dalruanazkal wrote:@Inesea: I vote yes on the radio. Tesla made a wireless radio in the late 1890's. But I don't think they were widely used in the First World War and a only a few people carried radios which I think were the size of backpacks.

Also, anyone wanting to attend the funeral of King Maruduk-izkur IV should send someone soon, as the actual funeral will start soon.

Mishmahig wrote:
Sri Tschow wrote:
We had to vote on radios? I've been using them as a dominant means of communication on The Eastern Conference, and probably will continue using them.


Wait, we have radios? I've been using flares/messages/heliographs/telegrams instead. :unsure:

Sri Tschow wrote:Dammit. My lines of governmental communication in 1885 rely on radio!

Inoroth wrote:@Radio people - There were large radios in existence in WWI, and the Russians used them lots (though Germans intercepted and translated the messages). Because of the steampunk and accelerated tech levels, I say allow portable sets earlier. I even used one as a plot point for my Funeral Thread post.


OK, guys. I'm really against having radio already. Tesla's 1890s experiments were with wireless telegraph systems, not radio like the way we think of it. I would be OK with us developing wireless telegraphy around this time, but not radio. Like Cyprum, I've been relying on heliographs etc to convey messages if there are no wires present or available for transmission. I'm all for allowing things like radio to come sooner, but this is way too soon for radio.

@ Sri: It's really not that big of a change, is it, to just say the messages were sent by telegraph, is it? Even if it is over a wire.


Inoroth wrote:@Fan - Muslims and Pagans are completely different. I do not oppose having the holy lands in our disputed territories though... perhaps right on the border... maybe even split down the middle!


I know, but it's still the same sort of religious conflict; just the religions in question are different.

Gratia Infinita wrote:@ Fanaglia: You do realize that my ambassador and his guards being the only witnesses to the President's suicide totally sets them up as assassins, right?

Gratia Infinita will push for Voerderlandish sovereignty, even if it ends up with them controlling a (substantially reduced) puppet state. I'm trying to think of what should happen now...any ideas?


Yup. That's kind of what I had in mind :twisted:

Inoroth wrote:@Fan - Why not incorporate a Rail Council Mandate into the Voredenland RP? That way, even though Inoroth perhaps does not care what happens (b/c almost all of her goods go the Promethian route anyway), she feels bound to uphold the Council her diplomats labored so hard to create. That would give me a valid reason to intervene then, right?


Could work. Or you could get dragged in by an alliance with Fanaglia if we end up getting "officially" into a war.

Inoroth wrote:@Dal - Wait for me! Vinchero is coming to pay respects, if only for the sake of Mr. Alam. I'll have the post up in less than 12 hours.

@Vordenland people - What (if any) has the ruling of the RR Council been on this issue? The impedance of goods flowing west is clearly something they should be concerned about and have partial jurisdiction over? Otherwise, I shall have armed volunteer Inorothians go out to prevent genocide of 'All Christians', and then have some of them slaughtered in the chaos, prompting a government response, sound good to y'all?


I haven't read the IC thread since my last post (and I won't get to until probably tomorrow afternoon, after work), but the last I saw, there still was no decision reached, which is why I've left all IC references to it in the Voerdeland thread intentionally vague. We'll hammer something out.
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Inoroth
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Postby Inoroth » Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:03 pm

@Fan - thanks! I guess the alliance could be enough right there! But for now, I am goin to post it following my citizen army idea. If anything changes, i'll just have even more reason to intervene. I have my Funeral post up if anyone's interested, and I should have the Vordenland one up soon too!
Life is what you make it -- I made it into a peach cobbler
cosmopolitan/nationalistic: 4%
secular/religious: 63%
visionary/reactionary: 39%
anarchistc/authoritarian: 25%
communistic/capitalistic: 37%
pacifistic/militaristic: 48%
ecological.anthropological: 66%
I am apperantly a Neo-Conservative... who knew?

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Mishmahig
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Postby Mishmahig » Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:20 pm

Le sigh. Very sorry for the cruddy quality of the Voerdish post, and the lack of a response in the Fire and Madness thread. Many apologies---Physics and other classes are really taking a lot out of me. Fear not though! I am granted a reprieve when Saturday arrives, so I'll be able to post something of hopefully better quality.

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Inoroth
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Postby Inoroth » Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:47 pm

No worries Mish. I still owe on the Voerdenland thread too. I might pull it off tonight, but I am thinkin' tomorrow is more likely.

Ok, here's what I am think will go down.

1.) A series of Inorothian Newspaper Articles recap what has happened from our perspective. These will be dated (as near as they can be... Keeping dates straight in that thread is to induce suicide).

2.) Vinchero pens various letters to the people that sent them (Vitz, Mish, etc...)

3.) at risk of being a triple copycat, a view of the legislature will be given. They will not have someone as commanding as y'all, however, and the bailiffs will be needed to calm things down.

4.) Over in Vordenland, Inoroth's Embassy willbe situated right across from the president's palace in the capital, and the general uneaisiness will be dilligently Rped. It will probably incorporate his suicide too.

5.) Citizens, outraged at the genocide, will demand action. Some will march on the Palaces and parlimentary buoldings, Others will join volunteer respone regimenys, whose mission will be providing aod and protecting innocents. Plan to see the Sistine knights feature heaviky here.

6.) Vinchero, frustrated by the lack of cohesion inherent in the Inorothian Government, will buy somewhere in the ballpark of 6 ironclads lots o transport ships from the navy with his own personal wealth. He will then arm and equip an ay of around 59,000 men to liberate all of the international refuges in Vordenland's besieged capital. This will be an effort that does not condone one belligerent party or the other, but condemns both for their slaughter of innocents, especially Christians. Inoroth will probably condemn both parties for their actions, agree with Vitz on the coalition, attempt to consol the people of Mish, echo their cry for aid, and then plunge into the fight head on.

That is about what I have hashed out so far... It is incomplete and subject to change, but there it. I'd post it tight now, but I need my computer for all the copy/ pasting, and all I have is my iPod Touch. Going to bed now, my goal is to have this up in less than 12 hours.
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cosmopolitan/nationalistic: 4%
secular/religious: 63%
visionary/reactionary: 39%
anarchistc/authoritarian: 25%
communistic/capitalistic: 37%
pacifistic/militaristic: 48%
ecological.anthropological: 66%
I am apperantly a Neo-Conservative... who knew?

Inoroth's Military Here.
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Inoroth's Factbook Here

"A fool's words cut down friends on the eve of battle" - Vinchero

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Sri Tschow
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Postby Sri Tschow » Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:55 am

I don't wish to be impudent, but radios are a major part of my civilization.
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"There is no fixing the world. There is just making it suck a little less."~Corsca

"Humans fight to the last. When all hope is lost, when everything stands to be taken? That's when they fight the hardest. I see no reason not to continue that tradition."~The Emerald Legion

"Capitalism is a petrol station with unreasonably priced drinks on the highway to utopia."~Forster Keys
Economic Left|Right: -5.88
Social Libertarian|Authoritarian: -6.87
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Cyprum Xecuii
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Postby Cyprum Xecuii » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:27 am

Sri Tschow wrote:I don't wish to be impudent, but radios are a major part of my civilization.


Well, how about using wireless telegrams? They're practically the same thing except that you press buttons rather than talk.

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Vitzenburg
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Postby Vitzenburg » Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:13 am

Yes yes, I agree Inoroth, I just haven't done anything with it yet. And the RR doesn't really affect wanting the Voerdish to stop killing each other :lol2:

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Postby Inoroth » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:19 am

Ok - NEVER post more than like sentence or two after 5 in the morning on an iPod Touch or you will have a post with the same spelling error ration as mine previous... Just say no!

I just realized this... I currently have the last post on the RR Conference, the Eastern Conference, The Fire Thread, and the Funeral thread... Four out of six ain't bad - Vordenland, here I come!
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Life is what you make it -- I made it into a peach cobbler
cosmopolitan/nationalistic: 4%
secular/religious: 63%
visionary/reactionary: 39%
anarchistc/authoritarian: 25%
communistic/capitalistic: 37%
pacifistic/militaristic: 48%
ecological.anthropological: 66%
I am apperantly a Neo-Conservative... who knew?

Inoroth's Military Here.
Nations Represented By This Account: Inoroth, New Inorothian Space Empire,

Inoroth's Factbook Here

"A fool's words cut down friends on the eve of battle" - Vinchero

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Vitzenburg
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Postby Vitzenburg » Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:50 am

So sassy.

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Postby Mishmahig » Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:49 am

Vitzenburg wrote:So sassy.


Vhat. I do not understand the context.

Also, slow day today.....ho hum.

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Postby Vitzenburg » Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:57 am

Mishmahig wrote:
Vitzenburg wrote:So sassy.


Vhat. I do not understand the context.

Also, slow day today.....ho hum.


I dunno what I said that for, Im on a lot of medication right now for a cold.

and yes, slow day indeed

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Postby Inoroth » Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:03 pm

I don't get Vitz's post either, prease esprain.

And Mish, I am not posting too much on here cause I am feverishly writing a novel-length post for Vordenland. By the way, is anyone else noticing the unsettlingly eerie resemblance between what is going on in the RL Middle East and Vordenland? Lots o embassies attacked and a general unrest and unclear yet strong revolutionary movement? Creepy!

(*EDIT*) - Ninjaed by Vitz!
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Life is what you make it -- I made it into a peach cobbler
cosmopolitan/nationalistic: 4%
secular/religious: 63%
visionary/reactionary: 39%
anarchistc/authoritarian: 25%
communistic/capitalistic: 37%
pacifistic/militaristic: 48%
ecological.anthropological: 66%
I am apperantly a Neo-Conservative... who knew?

Inoroth's Military Here.
Nations Represented By This Account: Inoroth, New Inorothian Space Empire,

Inoroth's Factbook Here

"A fool's words cut down friends on the eve of battle" - Vinchero

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Postby Mishmahig » Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:09 pm

Inoroth wrote:I don't get Vitz's post either, prease esprain.

And Mish, I am not posting too much on here cause I am feverishly writing a novel-length post for Vordenland. By the way, is anyone else noticing the unsettlingly eerie resemblance between what is going on in the RL Middle East and Vordenland? Lots o embassies attacked and a general unrest and unclear yet strong revolutionary movement? Creepy!


Yes, the Mishmahigian attack on the Voerish embassy was intentional (OOC, not IC, heh), so that it would raise that interesting parallel. I'm pleased to see that others have followed suit. :D

I'm a little bit unclear as to where to go from here. I shall await your novel-length post, good sir/madam, before I formulate my plans.

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Postby Dalruanazkal » Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:15 pm

Inoroth wrote:
And Mish, I am not posting too much on here cause I am feverishly writing a novel-length post for Vordenland. By the way, is anyone else noticing the unsettlingly eerie resemblance between what is going on in the RL Middle East and Vordenland? Lots o embassies attacked and a general unrest and unclear yet strong revolutionary movement? Creepy!


Nobody expects the Zeitgeist Inquisition!

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Vitzenburg
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Postby Vitzenburg » Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:37 pm

I foresee a situation similar to North and South Korea.

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Vjiay
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Postby Vjiay » Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:43 pm

Pelly is gonna be forced to do a nice thing now... free trade for all!!

Inoroth; well, I'ma be freeing up the trade through Vjiay and Valoria temporarily (somewhat begrudgingly in the view of the dominant party...) so that humanitarian aid can get to Voerdeland, perhaps you send a train that gets blown up with people killed/supplies lost, so you decide that you have to respond militarily?

I'll aim to have the relevant posts up tonight.
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