Vapor: A Steampunk RP Region (OOC v. 2.0 -- CLOSED)

[Vjiay]

Cyprum's right, I think you are a Republican.

Anyways, I thought the idea was we'll be CLOSED until the Colonization thread ENDS or more people LEAVE. And you'll have to accept one basic fact. Ino and according to Inesea, Wirbel are nice enough people to let in new members, while Fan is staunchly against it. That's two votes against one. Which is a majority.

*Ahem replace with 'is'...I think.*

@Republican: lol

Let's see how many we currently have:

Amplector:
Inoroth
Fan
Wirbel
Vitz
Servoth
Dal

Promethia:
Gratia
Cygnar
Averi
Nova
Mish

Zhao:
Inesea
Sri
Pav
Cyprum

Color coded for 'relations' based on my estimate and knowledge. Inoroth mixes in with a good amount of east and west affairs. Red people are mainly involved in 'West affairs' (not that you sometimes get involved with the east, it's just a generalization). Then we have those that meddle mainly in 'Eastern affairs' in blue.

Right, that's it. You Commii bastards have forgotten my mighty and glorious nation for the last time. Please expect our Declaration of War to be coming through your postbox shortly.

[Cyprum Xecuii]

*Ahem replace with 'is'...I think.*

@Republican: lol

Let's see how many we currently have:

Amplector:
Inoroth
Vijay
Fan
Wirbel
Vitz
Servoth
Dal

Promethia:
Gratia
Cygnar
Averi
Nova
Mish

Zhao:
Inesea
Sri
Pav
Cyprum

Color coded for 'relations' based on my estimate and knowledge. Inoroth mixes in with a good amount of east and west affairs. Red people are mainly involved in 'West affairs' (not that you sometimes get involved with the east, it's just a generalization). Then we have those that meddle mainly in 'Eastern affairs' in blue.

Right, that's it. You Commii bastards have forgotten my mighty and glorious nation for the last time. Please expect our Declaration of War to be coming through your postbox shortly.

There, you get special green.

[Vjiay]

Right, that's it. You Commii bastards have forgotten my mighty and glorious nation for the last time. Please expect our Declaration of War to be coming through your postbox shortly.

There, you get special green.

we cool.

[Cygnar]

I wont give my opinion on Sapienta joining....obvious reasons...

[Inoroth]

@Cygnar - I think we all know where you stand

[Vitzenburg]

Fan put it in an excellent perspective.

[Inoroth]

@Vitz - I thought my perspective was rather nice as well, if i do say so myself Did you see it? Basically, I need to have someone where Svealand used to be... and it might as well be the new guy.

[Mishmahig]

Oh, I approve, I just get annoyed when we refight the same battle over and over.

Look, guys----we closed the thread because we wanted to save land for colonization. With Rosswood and Bess CTE-ing, Gratia getting close, Svealand leaving, and Dal being inactive......why don't we do the sensible thing, and let the new applicants claim the land of the old/dead/inactive nations? This way, we don't have new nations popping up out of nowhere, and it provides new spark to regions, as the new RPer RPs a rebellion/regime change/whatever, encouraging others to intrude and etc, etc. I fail to see how it can be viewed as anything other than a win-win.

This would be after a skill/RP test thing, of course.

The colonization/expansion thread would pose the perfect opportunity for new nations to arise. That was one of the main reasons we decided to wait until then. Making new players take over former nations is too limiting and unfair on them, in my opinion.

I don't see how the colonization/expansion thread would let new nations appear suddenly. IRL, it took decades/centuries for a colony to begin to make moves towards independence, which would usually only succeed if the home country was occupied elsewhere. And even if a country did manage to rebel against their homeland, they won't suddenly become an industrially/agriculturally self-sufficient nation, with a strong military/population base, which is essentially what they would need to compete with anyone else in the other threads.

I mean, I'm one of the smallest nations, and I have a population larger than the US in 1850, when they had been free for nearly a century (with immigration and all that too). A newly independent nation would easily be squashed by any of us, and it's likely that, should they recruit allies, the ally would simply turn around and absorb them in turn.

And if they're not newly-independent nations, then we get the same problem that Vitz was complaining about, with new countries appearing out of nowhere.

My question is, of course---why are we still closed? The number of nations that we had when we closed the RP has decreased, so there's not a land issue anymore. Vitz's concern about new nations appearing out of nowhere is irrelevant, as Sapienta has expressed a willingness to RP as a new administration/regime change of one of the dead nations.

I mean, we lost Bess, Rosswood and Svealand. Gratia looks set to CTE, and Dal has been inactive. The circumstances have changed extensively since we made the decision to close the thread.

We want to save room for expansion.

We have plenty of players.

The big, important, and original reason (and my biggest hangup): When we do begin to expand, it opens up a lot more opportunities and options for new people -- a lot more excuses other than the now-cliche "X Nation just came out of isolation!"

The first reason is moot, since Sapienta has expressed a willingness to replace one of the CTE nations, and as Inoroth said, it's inconvenient for us when a previously involved nation CTEs. Having a new applicant take over one of those nations solves the problem of conserving land and maintaining the continuity of the RPs.

I mean, take AMEN for example---Cygnar's situation would be entirely different if Miteria were still here, and AMEN would be a massive power if both Miteria and Rosswood were still around. When they CTE, we have to kind of gloss over their involvement, or pretend that they never existed.

I'm also still confused as to how expansion opens up opportunities---could you explain?

[Inoroth]

@Mish - Revolutions in NPC Nations? NPC Nations becoming powerful enough to actually be on our RADAR? But other than that, I've got nothing...

[Mishmahig]

@Mish - Revolutions in NPC Nations? NPC Nations becoming powerful enough to actually be on our RADAR? But other than that, I've got nothing...

Option 1 is what we were proposing (taking over a now-NPC nation), and option 2 is what Vitz was objecting to---new nations appearing out of nowhere.


Also, we need to think of how the SAW thread is going to continue. The peace conference has failed, so we'll need to consider how to continue this...

[Cyprum Xecuii]

Wonderful SAW post as always Inoroth. I do wonder why you say 'Cyprum' in the post as if the country were a person though.

And, I see the Cyprumese "observers" are mostly gone... for the better, I'd say, for they were more a bother than anything else. Ice Cream in wartime at a peace conference? How undignified! It wouldn't be tried or tolerated by anyone else, but it seemed the most normal thing in the world to them. If Cyprum can't afford to send a proper diplomat to their ally's conference on a war they're involved in, then... well, I don't know what... but certainly nothing good I'll wager!

I can understand saying "If the Cyprumese" like you always do. I'm just not sure if that works. Not being a Grammar Nazi since I'm probably wrong on this, I merely wonder if saying that is the correct way to...'phrase it' or what have you. Of course the English teacher shall strike again and expose the truth!

Then again, you could just tell me your reasoning for the why you said that...either way is fine.


@Mish: Really? I thought the conference was going better than what I expected. At least a diplomat didn't kill another diplomat.

[Mishmahig]

Wonderful SAW post as always Inoroth.


@Mish: Really? I thought the conference was going better than what I expected. At least a diplomat didn't kill another diplomat.

@Ino--I second Cyprum's comment.


@Cyprum---It's, frankly, a disaster. A high-ranking member of the Pavlostani delegation was killed in Sri Tschow when the safety of the delegations were presumably guaranteed, and the Tschowan food riots were only quelled with Inesean supplies. In addition, the Xecuiians didn't send anyone, and Novairia isn't coming to the negotiation table as equals. All of these combine to make Marino believe that King Amano and his government aren't really in control of his country anymore, which makes him understandably leery of negotiating with a government that may or may not exist in a few months.

As for Novairia, the ad hominems, stone-walling, ignoring Mishmahig's demands, and refusal to compromise makes him think that Novairia doesn't take the conference seriously/will never be willing to compromise.

The Cyprumese didn't send anyone, so he's pretty sure they're not taking this seriously either, or will never concede to any demands at this conference.

As for Inesea and Pavlostani, he's appalled that both of them would turn on him no less than five minutes after they had all agreed to present a unified front, with the demands agreed upon by all members. Add in Councilman Tupak'a'tuchaen's ad hominem....

And he's conveying all of this back to Evenstead, where the Archpriest and the Penitants, who are much more conservative, will judge for themselves. I mean, Marino is a moderate, compared to Baruss and most of the Penitants. If he thinks there's no hope to this conference, then the conservatives will blast him for even trying.

[Cyprum Xecuii]

Wonderful SAW post as always Inoroth.


@Mish: Really? I thought the conference was going better than what I expected. At least a diplomat didn't kill another diplomat.

@Ino--I second Cyprum's comment.


@Cyprum---It's, frankly, a disaster. A high-ranking member of the Pavlostani delegation was killed in Sri Tschow when the safety of the delegations were presumably guaranteed, and the Tschowan food riots were only quelled with Inesean supplies. In addition, the Xecuiians didn't send anyone, and Novairia isn't coming to the negotiation table as equals. All of these combine to make Marino believe that King Amano and his government aren't really in control of his country anymore, which makes him understandably leery of negotiating with a government that may or may not exist in a few months.

As for Novairia, the ad hominems, stone-walling, ignoring Mishmahig's demands, and refusal to compromise makes him think that Novairia doesn't take the conference seriously/will never be willing to compromise.

The Cyprumese didn't send anyone, so he's pretty sure they're not taking this seriously either, or will never concede to any demands at this conference.

As for Inesea and Pavlostani, he's appalled that both of them would turn on him no less than five minutes after they had all agreed to present a unified front, with the demands agreed upon by all members. Add in Councilman Tupak'a'tuchaen's ad hominem....

And he's conveying all of this back to Evenstead, where the Archpriest and the Penitants, who are much more conservative, will judge for themselves. I mean, Marino is a moderate, compared to Baruss and most of the Penitants. If he thinks there's no hope to this conference, then the conservatives will blast him for even trying.

When you put it that way, damn. I'm not sure if it was worth sending our own leader now...nah I'll still do it, the airship is already enroute and so it would be a waste to have it turn back. Although to be fair, Nozumu might act just as bad as the observers if she feels that the whole situation is in shambles. However she is not there yet so we do have a chance for a miracle to happem.

I'll make a SAW post later where the observers note to the delegation of her trip to the conference since they apparently have no clue.

Right now, off to class.

[Inoroth]

@Mish - Yes, Vinchero is in the same boat... everyone's cray cray to him, and there's no hope... he's just having his accountants calculate how much Inoroth's involvement in the war is going to cost the government

@Cyprum - I meant it as "If Cyprum's government..." or "If the nation of Cyprum"... and in that context I think it works.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

SAW Post up.

[Pavlostani]

@Ino You're right, Inesea is a horrible source, but I normally rely on him.

Wonderful SAW post as always Inoroth.


@Mish: Really? I thought the conference was going better than what I expected. At least a diplomat didn't kill another diplomat.

@Ino--I second Cyprum's comment.


@Cyprum---It's, frankly, a disaster. A high-ranking member of the Pavlostani delegation was killed in Sri Tschow when the safety of the delegations were presumably guaranteed, and the Tschowan food riots were only quelled with Inesean supplies. In addition, the Xecuiians didn't send anyone, and Novairia isn't coming to the negotiation table as equals. All of these combine to make Marino believe that King Amano and his government aren't really in control of his country anymore, which makes him understandably leery of negotiating with a government that may or may not exist in a few months.

As for Novairia, the ad hominems, stone-walling, ignoring Mishmahig's demands, and refusal to compromise makes him think that Novairia doesn't take the conference seriously/will never be willing to compromise.

The Cyprumese didn't send anyone, so he's pretty sure they're not taking this seriously either, or will never concede to any demands at this conference.

As for Inesea and Pavlostani, he's appalled that both of them would turn on him no less than five minutes after they had all agreed to present a unified front, with the demands agreed upon by all members. Add in Councilman Tupak'a'tuchaen's ad hominem....

And he's conveying all of this back to Evenstead, where the Archpriest and the Penitants, who are much more conservative, will judge for themselves. I mean, Marino is a moderate, compared to Baruss and most of the Penitants. If he thinks there's no hope to this conference, then the conservatives will blast him for even trying.

Turning on him? Helgraf was trying to keep with our idea, a pan-Zhao/Promethia Alliance. When it turned into a shouting match between Amano, Kanno and Marino, shouldn't Helgraf try to preserve the thought of an alliance, even if you're burning it as you go along?

[Mishmahig]

@Ino You're right, Inesea is a horrible source, but I normally rely on him.

@Ino--I second Cyprum's comment.


@Cyprum---It's, frankly, a disaster. A high-ranking member of the Pavlostani delegation was killed in Sri Tschow when the safety of the delegations were presumably guaranteed, and the Tschowan food riots were only quelled with Inesean supplies. In addition, the Xecuiians didn't send anyone, and Novairia isn't coming to the negotiation table as equals. All of these combine to make Marino believe that King Amano and his government aren't really in control of his country anymore, which makes him understandably leery of negotiating with a government that may or may not exist in a few months.

As for Novairia, the ad hominems, stone-walling, ignoring Mishmahig's demands, and refusal to compromise makes him think that Novairia doesn't take the conference seriously/will never be willing to compromise.

The Cyprumese didn't send anyone, so he's pretty sure they're not taking this seriously either, or will never concede to any demands at this conference.

As for Inesea and Pavlostani, he's appalled that both of them would turn on him no less than five minutes after they had all agreed to present a unified front, with the demands agreed upon by all members. Add in Councilman Tupak'a'tuchaen's ad hominem....

And he's conveying all of this back to Evenstead, where the Archpriest and the Penitants, who are much more conservative, will judge for themselves. I mean, Marino is a moderate, compared to Baruss and most of the Penitants. If he thinks there's no hope to this conference, then the conservatives will blast him for even trying.

Turning on him? Helgraf was trying to keep with our idea, a pan-Zhao/Promethia Alliance. When it turned into a shouting match between Amano, Kanno and Marino, shouldn't Helgraf try to preserve the thought of an alliance, even if you're burning it as you go along?

OOC, yes.

IC, no. Novairia has not acted in any way that suggests they would be willing to join this alliance, and Cyprum has sent no delegate, which means it would be, at best, Sri Tschow joining the new alliance.

Considering the instability that has been demonstrated (the riots and death), then Marino would naturally suspect that the country is unstable, which makes him reluctant to enter into an alliance, especially after the whole storm that occurred when Khamul became Pavlostani.

As for the slinging insults--re-read my posts. In every situation, I gave people an out, a reasonable explanation, or a chance to respond logically and rationally. In most cases, Marino gets hit with another ad hominem which only reconfirms his belief that the others are stonewalling/not taking it seriously.

Again, and I emphasize this... Marino is a moderate. If he doesn't think a peace can be salvaged, then there's almost no chance the conservatives in Evenstead will accept it.

[Inoroth]

@Mish - Well, looks like there's no way we're going to fix this. Harks death is going to be the nail in the coffin for conference.

@Inesea - RE your SAW Post - Names are nice... What's the Admiral's name?

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

@Mish - Well, looks like there's no way we're going to fix this. Harks death is going to be the nail in the coffin for conference.

@Inesea - RE your SAW Post - Names are nice... What's the Admiral's name?

Actually, I am going to have a sappy speech abut how hark was a Father of Modern Diplomacy and is last wish was for peace.

Admiral _____

[Pavlostani]

@Mish - Well, looks like there's no way we're going to fix this. Harks death is going to be the nail in the coffin for conference.

@Inesea - RE your SAW Post - Names are nice... What's the Admiral's name?

Actually, I am going to have a sappy speech abut how hark was a Father of Modern Diplomacy and is last wish was for peace.

Admiral _____

That might actually work.

Fan, Vitz, if you're wondering why people don't get the message, why don't you look at the Region page.
"We are currently open to new players. Just post in the OOC thread if you are interested."

[New Sapienta]

I will make a new app for Svealand a regime change that wants to modernize Svealand. If that is rejected then I will wait for the colonization thread to end and change the history of my old app to become an isolated African nation in Desaltonia.

[Cyprum Xecuii]

I will make a new app for Svealand a regime change that wants to modernize Svealand. If that is rejected then I will wait for the colonization thread to end and change the history of my old app to become an isolated African nation in Desaltonia.

Colonization thread won't be even starting for a possibly long time. As long you've posted here you can keep up with whatever updates we make.

[New Sapienta]

I will make a new app for Svealand a regime change that wants to modernize Svealand. If that is rejected then I will wait for the colonization thread to end and change the history of my old app to become an isolated African nation in Desaltonia.

Colonization thread won't be even starting for a possibly long time. As long you've posted here you can keep up with whatever updates we make.

All right, was Sveland a monarchy or a diffrent form of government?

[Inoroth]

@Inesea - Well, you might as well have given him a name like "doctor" or "master" or some rubbish like that!

@Pavlo - Yes, that's one thing. But what I don't get is why no one wants to let Sveland have a new RPer... I really need someone there!

@New Sapienta - I want you to have Svealand... And I'm not sure that he was a monarchy... more of a loose confederation of tribes.

[New Sapienta]

@Inesea - Well, you might as well have given him a name like "doctor" or "master" or some rubbish like that!

@Pavlo - Yes, that's one thing. But what I don't get is why no one wants to let Sveland have a new RPer... I really need someone there!

@New Sapienta - I want you to have Svealand... And I'm not sure that he was a monarchy... more of a loose confederation of tribes.

Then I shall be a revolution to unite and centralize Svealand!