Vapor: A Steampunk RP Region (OOC v. 2.0 -- CLOSED)

[Cyprum Xecuii]

We could have all been influenced to say no, but most of us chose yes [or didn't care] to allow you in anyway. All side for no is just saying that it's 'closed'. And that's it. Lots of opportunity if we let a new member in then having it stay the way as it is.

I know. I just knew what it was

Anyway, what was the background info of Svealand?

That guy never did...well he never did anything so you're kind of good there.



Feasible land for you to take, although close proximity areas to certain nations will require compromise.

[New Sapienta]

I know. I just knew what it was

Anyway, what was the background info of Svealand?

That guy never did...well he never did anything so you're kind of good there.

I'll make up some tyrannic monarchy to justify a democracy.

[Vitzenburg]

No there's not. If we focus on the actual RP instead of on letting new people in, there's plenty of opportunity. Also the fact is we have the prime number of players, everything's going smoothly, we don't need people trying to get in when the thread clearly says CLOOOOOOOSED.

ANNOUNCEMENT: Unfortunately, due to a current shortage of land on the map and a desire by some of the nations of Vapor to do a colonization RP, the region is temporarily CLOSED to new nations.

Does that mean anything? Does that mean what I said isn't true? No, it does not.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

It was temporarily closed. So lets temporarily open it.

[Cyprum Xecuii]

It was temporarily closed. So lets temporarily open it.

Nice.

@New Sapienta, check the map with feasible land claims you can make a couple posts above.

[New Sapienta]

Does that mean anything? Does that mean what I said isn't true? No, it does not.

It means it can be opened again.

And if there are inactive players, there is really no justification of not letting in new players, since a new nation wouldn't plop into existance.

[New Sapienta]

It was temporarily closed. So lets temporarily open it.

Nice.

@New Sapienta, check the map with feasible land claims you can make a couple posts above.

I'll take the old Svealand player's territory.

[Servoth]

Svealand? Was just a bunch of rather quiet, pagan, nords/vikings, who did absolute shit. Sums him pretty good.

[New Sapienta]

Svealand? Was just a bunch of rather quiet, pagan, nords/vikings, who did absolute shit. Sums him pretty good.

I shall lead a modern, revolutionist party then!

[Vitzenburg]

You think you're already in? You have yet to talk to fan.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Actually, I believe that the 'Official' Powers rest in Wirbel

[Vitzenburg]

Fanaglia has taken a much more prominent role than Wirbel, keep telling yourself that he has as much sway as Fan.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Hence 'Official' Powers

[Mishmahig]

Fanaglia has taken a much more prominent role than Wirbel, keep telling yourself that he has as much sway as Fan.

Fan refers to herself as the 'Co-Op' of the Vapor world in the opening... the OP of this thread, yes, but Co-OP of the overall RP.

That being said, I still have yet to see why my reasoning is faulty.

[Wirbel]

Fanaglia has taken a much more prominent role than Wirbel, keep telling yourself that he has as much sway as Fan.

I'll allow him in. I don't see any reason why not. But we should still ask Fanaglia.

[Cyprum Xecuii]

Really don't understand why Vitz doesn't want him in. Wow so it's temporarily closed, if he joins you don't even have to talk to him if you don't want to. The amount of aggression towards allowing one person in is really too much. It's not like anyone is going to take what was Svealand's territory for a while now. Closed, closed, closed, closed, that's all that keeps a person out, how amazing. Once again, it's temporary anyway.

[Vitzenburg]

Really don't understand why Vitz doesn't want him in. Wow so it's temporarily closed, if he joins you don't even have to talk to him if you don't want to. The amount of aggression towards allowing one person in is really too much. It's not like anyone is going to take what was Svealand's territory for a while now. Closed, closed, closed, closed, that's all that keeps a person out, how amazing. Once again, it's temporary anyway.

Because we're closed.

[Cyprum Xecuii]

Really don't understand why Vitz doesn't want him in. Wow so it's temporarily closed, if he joins you don't even have to talk to him if you don't want to. The amount of aggression towards allowing one person in is really too much. It's not like anyone is going to take what was Svealand's territory for a while now. Closed, closed, closed, closed, that's all that keeps a person out, how amazing. Once again, it's temporary anyway.

Because we're closed.

Temporarily.

[Mishmahig]

Because we're closed.

Temporarily.

And the amount of nations we had when we declared it closed has actually decreased...

[Fanaglia]

My God, you guys post fast. That's why there was a lag with my last post. There'll be one with this one.

S'ppose you could try if ya want.

Stop getting peoples' hopes up! We're CLOSED! Bad Sri! Bad!

Like alot. Like to get in, you would need to put a shit ton of effort into the app for a very small country.

Tallies from all over Inesea have come in. The vote is in. Inesea says NAY to letting him/her/it in.

I concur, of course. I VOTE NO.

How about this with 100 mi pop?

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That claim is fairly large, still (look at the scale). We have far too many huge nations as it is, which is why we closed it in the first place, because we want to save room for colonization. These guys are just short-sighted and don't give two flying fucks.

200 million?!?! Where does it say that? And also, no-one would invade you for the most part, I think we learned our lesson (more or less) with the recent Sri-AMEN War. Though your position does make a dent in both our colonial plans and our perceived ethnic backgrounds. Is your nation predominantly African? I think Fan said that Desaltonia was predominantly sub-saharan African culture and ethnicity.

I did. It is.

Iwas not, it was more Weastern/Eastern European in culture.

I suppose I could change it, but that would require a lot of change in the background.

Although I suppose I could keep the names and stuff, just act like all this happened in Africa.

Also, 200 mil in the nation overview tables.

Amplector is the continent that's generally considered to be the equivalent of Europe, with a little bit of spillover into western Promethia (sort of like with Russia/Asia IRL).

@Sap
No, just a lot of people telling you that whatever your doing is bad. Once it's overwith you should never speak of it again. Unless you're telling someone who's about to apply.

Wrong. More like a lot of people telling you that the region is CLOSED while others are like "Come on, Craig. Stimulate your mind, Craig."

Don't they always?

Don't they always?

They're the only ones who stuck with the "closed" rule. The rest of us never really cared.

That's because you guys are the most impatient little Jack Russel terriers I've ever seen online. We're closed at least until we can get the colonization thread started. It shouldn't be long, now, since it looks like we're about to abandon Gratia.

We're closed. Get over it. Quit inviting people.

[Mishmahig]

We're closed. Get over it. Quit inviting people.

My question is, of course---why are we still closed? The number of nations that we had when we closed the RP has decreased, so there's not a land issue anymore. Vitz's concern about new nations appearing out of nowhere is irrelevant, as Sapienta has expressed a willingness to RP as a new administration/regime change of one of the dead nations.

I mean, we lost Bess, Rosswood and Svealand. Gratia looks set to CTE, and Dal has been inactive. The circumstances have changed extensively since we made the decision to close the thread.

[Servoth]

I've made a response to Ino, Fan, Vjiay, and Inesea on the AC. My job is done there for the moment.

[Fanaglia]

Ugh, wiki is confusing.

Also I say nay to the new applicant, we're closed. I'd hate to see what happens if some of the people in our vapor thread had to run triage at a hospital.

Thank God someone listens to reason.

Good day gents... Sorry for the massive delay.

Anywho's, my post is up in SAW.

AND whats this, a NSVapor Wiki? ... and the lack of my name in it.

Go ahead and sign up! It's for everyone.

We are in a kind of paradox aren't we?

To open up the thread, we must first start and finish the Colonization thread, but in order to do that we must finish the V-land thread. However, in order to complete V-land, we require a number of inactive nations who will likely die in the future of not-too-far-away, so in order to replace them we must consider opening the Vapor Thread back up so that new nations may come in, but only if we complete the Colonization thread first.

Huh? The only inactive nation involved in V-Land is Gratia and after Sunday, he's irrelevant and we're moving on without him. We can work out who's controlling which bits of his forces this weekend. You're making it sound much more complicated than it really is. V-Land will probably be over soon -- Cyprum said he's been getting bored and will probably surrender and retreat easily and quickly, which only leaves Inesea/Pav in the west and you in the southeast. Once that's done, we can start the colonization.

I could be open to the idea of temporarily re-opening during the colonization thread, but not before.

Anyways, I thought the idea was we'll be CLOSED until the Colonization thread ENDS or more people LEAVE. And you'll have to accept one basic fact. Ino and according to Inesea, Wirbel are nice enough people to let in new members, while Fan is staunchly against it. That's two votes against one. Which is a majority.

Like Vitz said, being nice/kind/accepting has nothing to do with it. We agreed on a plan and now you guys are all saying "fuck it, let's have an overcrowded world." I'm not even necessarily talking about actual land area on the map. It's like Vitz said -- we have plenty of players to make things interesting and everything is running smoothly. Too many RPers can ruin an RP group -- I've been on NS for 3.5 years and I've seen it happen. Often.

Oh, I approve, I just get annoyed when we refight the same battle over and over.

Look, guys----we closed the thread because we wanted to save land for colonization. With Rosswood and Bess CTE-ing, Gratia getting close, Svealand leaving, and Dal being inactive......why don't we do the sensible thing, and let the new applicants claim the land of the old/dead/inactive nations? This way, we don't have new nations popping up out of nowhere, and it provides new spark to regions, as the new RPer RPs a rebellion/regime change/whatever, encouraging others to intrude and etc, etc. I fail to see how it can be viewed as anything other than a win-win.

This would be after a skill/RP test thing, of course.

The colonization/expansion thread would pose the perfect opportunity for new nations to arise. That was one of the main reasons we decided to wait until then. Making new players take over former nations is too limiting and unfair on them, in my opinion.

No there's not. If we focus on the actual RP instead of on letting new people in, there's plenty of opportunity. Also the fact is we have the prime number of players, everything's going smoothly, we don't need people trying to get in when the thread clearly says CLOOOOOOOSED.

ANNOUNCEMENT: Unfortunately, due to a current shortage of land on the map and a desire by some of the nations of Vapor to do a colonization RP, the region is temporarily CLOSED to new nations.

Yes, it does say temporary. Yes, that does mean it will be open again (and, as I said, probably relatively soon). But it is also CLOSED. Way to go on not appearing hostile, by the way.

We're closed. Get over it. Quit inviting people.

My question is, of course---why are we still closed? The number of nations that we had when we closed the RP has decreased, so there's not a land issue anymore. Vitz's concern about new nations appearing out of nowhere is irrelevant, as Sapienta has expressed a willingness to RP as a new administration/regime change of one of the dead nations.

I mean, we lost Bess, Rosswood and Svealand. Gratia looks set to CTE, and Dal has been inactive. The circumstances have changed extensively since we made the decision to close the thread.

We want to save room for expansion.

We have plenty of players.

The big, important, and original reason (and my biggest hangup): When we do begin to expand, it opens up a lot more opportunities and options for new people -- a lot more excuses other than the now-cliche "X Nation just came out of isolation!"

We will be open again. It won't be long. Just be patient.

[Inoroth]

Thilooks pretty damn cool, but do you know if there is still space? Or would it be too wierd after so much time (10,000 posts, WOW)

Hello! As you've already been notified (several times, by the looks of things), the region is "temporarily closed" (which means we'll probably not ever opening again). But there are several countries that have lost their RPers. You were told about Svealand, the area north of Inoroth and East of Dalruanazkal. I was actually very disappointed, annoyed, and inconvenienced when he left, and I've been needing to revise my history accordingly. But if someone were to take over running it, that'd be spectacular. Just a few culture notes on Svealand:

-Viking-type culture.
-Generally Pagan religion.
-cold (obviously).
-former government had strong relations with Dalruanazkal and poor ones with everyone else.
-other stuff that I've forgotten.

If you were to run a revolution, you can change any of this, of course, but that's what you'd have to work with if you chose to take the land.

Also, nice job on the app (from a technical standpoint, I don't actually support that particular claim)

The fact that there is more unsettled land than settled land.

Unclaimed =/= Unsettled. There are plenty of NPC's in the world far less powerful than the ones on the map... and there is almost no "unsettled land" left.

I could change my RP to be a regime change in Svealand.

YES! That could be your baptism of fire too.

@Pavlo -

I'm expecting:
Ino will say yes.
Fan will say no.
Wirbel will say yes if Sapienta bases his country off of Germany.

So far, you've gotten two out of three.

If Marino won't stop bitching to the Cooperation, it will be a bust. It's ironic that the Pavlostani is trying to keep the peace, and we have the blood of 31 million on our hands.

Damn, it's that high? Also, from my vantage point you're throwing a few jabs yourself!

Cyprum's right, I think you are a Republican.

Anyways, I thought the idea was we'll be CLOSED until the Colonization thread ENDS or more people LEAVE. And you'll have to accept one basic fact. Ino and according to Inesea, Wirbel are nice enough people to let in new members, while Fan is staunchly against it. That's two votes against one. Which is a majority.

Conservatives aren't that bad if you give us a chance!

Also, people have left, so we need some to replace them. And I am very particular on who I vote to allow in... I like apps and an at least one trial RP before I let vote to let them in.

@Mish -

Speaking of something completely unrelated.... post on SAW! You too, Inoroth! >:|

Edit: Although, making a prediction now---peace conference is a bust, war will resume.

I'm working on the post... I had over 200 algebra problems I had temporarily forgotten about.

Also, I've been preaching woe regarding the SAW Peace conference from the beginning... People still have too much to gain from war to consider peace unless it has everything they want.

@Fan -

At the bottom of your page, click "+ Category" and type any categories that page fits into. In this case, "Nations."

I think someone edited it for me... to whomever the good samaritan was, I salute you!

RE: all the stuff you said on closed region - I understand that, but Svealand was not on anyone's colonial ambition's list... and frankly I need some sort of power there, otherwise I have no IC justification not to fill the vacuum. If he wanted Desaltonia or Oulen, then I vote no. If he wanted to make a new nation, I'd say no. But he wants to take over an existing nation that was just important enough to be missed without actually contributing anything... the perfect place for a new Rper.

Again, I understand we're closed for colonization, but I don't feel this move interferes at all with our plans and it helps me out immensly.

@Sri - Thank you for posting where we're meeting... I had figured we were in a room with ricepaper walls and bamboo floors

@Vitz - Again, any news on the TG for me? Also, how would you feel if Sapienta took over Svealand?

Why do so few of the people here not stick to their guns when an applicant approaches us? We're closed, we're very far along, new applicants muddy everything up that we've done so far.

Well, I didn't know we were defending the position of closure in our region like the last trench line in a bloody battle.

Because we have more than enough people. You don't want it packed, and by adding more people later on, players already establish have to change plans and shit because suddenly a new nation POPPED into existence.

Well, there are several nations with no one to RP them. If they disappear, it is inconvenient for everyone, and would it not be wise to allow a new player to take up their charge? There is a difference between the letter of the law and the spirit therein. The letter says we're closed no matter what. The spirit says that as long as the spirit of the law (colonization) is upheld, it's fine to let them in.

When do you foresee we'll be open? In what manner will we mystically become open for new people other than a mass exodus of current players?

Rosswood, Svealand, Bessavaria, Dal, Gratia, Vordenland... that's a decent number of people left, no?

I'm pretty sure these plans are coming from Ino, or maybe Inesea.

Perhaps you should look for them if you're unsure. Inesea is a horrible source since he joined as the last one besides you and Ino is just Ino.
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Not sure what plans we're discussing, but I can't help feeling a tad offended

@Inesea - Canal Post? PLEASE?

But why are we closed?

Very good question sir!

@Servoth -

To open up the thread, we must first start and finish the Colonization thread, but in order to do that we must finish the V-land thread. However, in order to complete V-land, we require a number of inactive nations who will likely die in the future of not-too-far-away, so in order to replace them we must consider opening the Vapor Thread back up so that new nations may come in, but only if we complete the Colonization thread first.

[Novairia]

Good day gents... Sorry for the massive delay.

Anywho's, my post is up in SAW.

AND whats this, a NSVapor Wiki? ....

Go ahead and sign up! It's for everyone.

And it is done.. will add more later. BUT my dishes need some doing, I've been neglecting to many things because of these projects at NAIT, even the GF is a bit peeved.

Also, as you can see I've reverted back to my old flag. If you guy's have suggestions for a new one, shout it out.