Steel Operations 2 (ATTN: CoS | INVITE ONLY | OOC)

[Altaiire]

What about the buildings question? If a building is shot by a missile or a tank shell or an artillery shell or a railgun shell, how do we decide what happens to the building? At least with railguns, as one of those would obliterate a small building.

[Xanixi]

Fixed. (^J^)

How about this for a map?

Of course, it needs moar forrezt...

It also needs moar markings(objective area; where is north, south, east, and west, bonobos, etc)

If that's a picture of Google Maps, we can assume that NESW is in the same format as in actuality. Example being the top is north.
I'm assuming our objective is merely those complexes. Looks kinda small, really, but I don't know the scale.
Also, Emp, nice url.

We will need of course to know where the defences are and where the invasion is going to start from.

Emp, this is a big assumption that requires your '0K'.
If, say, a SAM site locks on to an aircraft, is that aircraft 'dead'? If so, what occurs if it is in the process of dropping troops? As in, I can't relay the 'you're fucking dead' message before you finish dropping your troops, despite most of them being dead in a realistic scenario.
Obviously, we need to establish bloody instant comms there.

[Xanixi]

What about the buildings question? If a building is shot by a missile or a tank shell or an artillery shell or a railgun shell, how do we decide what happens to the building? At least with railguns, as one of those would obliterate a small building.

If it's shot by a missile, I'm assuming that whatever position gets hit by paint, and some of the interior parts, gets 'blown'. How that helps you, I'm not sure. Maybe we can't shoot you from that position or something.

I'm not entirely sure. We'll need to run it with Emp.

[Grand Britannia]

How many times have either of you seen ADS kill a Javelin before reaching a tank?

Because we're speaking of roughly the same.

[Altaiire]

Uh, zero, because I've never seen an ADS test outside of one destroying RPGs? What's your point?

[Grand Britannia]

Uh, zero, because I've never seen an ADS test outside of one destroying RPGs? What's your point?

Tank launched diving missile + enemy ADS= lol.

[Altaiire]

Uh, zero, because I've never seen an ADS test outside of one destroying RPGs? What's your point?

Tank launched diving missile + enemy ADS= lol.

I'm pretty sure ADS systems can counter any type of ATGM. Just because it's a vertical attack doesn't matter. And even if no real life systems did that, it's not like developing an ADS capable of defeating top attack missiles is impossible.

[Grand Britannia]

Tank launched diving missile + enemy ADS= lol.

I'm pretty sure ADS systems can counter any type of ATGM. Just because it's a vertical attack doesn't matter. And even if no real life systems did that, it's not like developing an ADS capable of defeating top attack missiles is impossible.

That's the point, the top part is the most vulnerable of a tank -ADS or not. Most active protection systems had the issue of "OMG I CAN'T AIM STRAIGHT UP", which is why the Javelin is so deadly. Not even something like the Trophy system(which IIRC can stop ATGMs) can effectively engage diving munitions.

[Xanixi]

I'm pretty sure ADS systems can counter any type of ATGM. Just because it's a vertical attack doesn't matter. And even if no real life systems did that, it's not like developing an ADS capable of defeating top attack missiles is impossible.

That's the point, the top part is the most vulnerable of a tank -ADS or not. Most active protection systems had the issue of "OMG I CAN'T AIM STRAIGHT UP", which is why the Javelin is so deadly. Not even something like the Trophy system(which IIRC can stop ATGMs) can effectively engage diving munitions.

Heh.
LELs.
LELs everywhere.

[New Emperica]

If that's a picture of Google Maps, we can assume that NESW is in the same format as in actuality. Example being the top is north.
I'm assuming our objective is merely those complexes. Looks kinda small, really, but I don't know the scale.


We will need of course to know where the defences are and where the invasion is going to start from.

Most of the city is apartment blocks and factories, sooo....erm...

*starts marking crap on a larger map*

If, say, a SAM site locks on to an aircraft, is that aircraft 'dead'? If so, what occurs if it is in the process of dropping troops? As in, I can't relay the 'you're fucking dead' message before you finish dropping your troops, despite most of them being dead in a realistic scenario.
Obviously, we need to establish bloody instant comms there.

Indeed.

I suggest CHEESE.
Or not.

I suppose a SAM lock-on means 'dead'. How about we have some representatives/military guys from each participating nation in some luxurious command bunker overseeing crap and relaying 'Your dead, private.' to their respective troops. Or something.

If it's shot by a missile, I'm assuming that whatever position gets hit by paint, and some of the interior parts, gets 'blown'. How that helps you, I'm not sure. Maybe we can't shoot you from that position or something.

That sounds about right. Maybe.

[Altaiire]

I'm pretty sure ADS systems can counter any type of ATGM. Just because it's a vertical attack doesn't matter. And even if no real life systems did that, it's not like developing an ADS capable of defeating top attack missiles is impossible.

That's the point, the top part is the most vulnerable of a tank -ADS or not. Most active protection systems had the issue of "OMG I CAN'T AIM STRAIGHT UP", which is why the Javelin is so deadly. Not even something like the Trophy system(which IIRC can stop ATGMs) can effectively engage diving munitions.

Shark allegedly has 360 degrees around 90 degrees up coverage. And yes, the top has the weakest armor: That's why you put reactive armor up there. Also, IR smoke will prevent the javelin from locking on to the tank, so you could just do that instead.

[Altaiire]

If that's a picture of Google Maps, we can assume that NESW is in the same format as in actuality. Example being the top is north.
I'm assuming our objective is merely those complexes. Looks kinda small, really, but I don't know the scale.


We will need of course to know where the defences are and where the invasion is going to start from.

Most of the city is apartment blocks and factories, sooo....erm...

*starts marking crap on a larger map*

If, say, a SAM site locks on to an aircraft, is that aircraft 'dead'? If so, what occurs if it is in the process of dropping troops? As in, I can't relay the 'you're fucking dead' message before you finish dropping your troops, despite most of them being dead in a realistic scenario.
Obviously, we need to establish bloody instant comms there.

Indeed.

I suggest CHEESE.
Or not.

I suppose a SAM lock-on means 'dead'. How about we have some representatives/military guys from each participating nation in some luxurious command bunker overseeing crap and relaying 'Your dead, private.' to their respective troops. Or something.

If it's shot by a missile, I'm assuming that whatever position gets hit by paint, and some of the interior parts, gets 'blown'. How that helps you, I'm not sure. Maybe we can't shoot you from that position or something.

That sounds about right. Maybe.

I figure we just use different colors of paint to represent different munitions.

[Xanixi]

Most of the city is apartment blocks and factories, sooo....erm...

*starts marking crap on a larger map*



Indeed.

I suggest CHEESE.
Or not.

I suppose a SAM lock-on means 'dead'. How about we have some representatives/military guys from each participating nation in some luxurious command bunker overseeing crap and relaying 'Your dead, private.' to their respective troops. Or something.



That sounds about right. Maybe.

I figure we just use different *colours of paint to represent different munitions.

Better idea.

[New Emperica]

Better idea*, da? (^J^)

[Xanixi]

Better idea.

There we are.

[Xanixi]

Would you guys like me to make the IC? I'd like to. Such as Red Team is there before you Blue Team is. I figured I could start in the city. The 'Command Hub', for example.

I'm going to assume our troops are already there by the time BT moves in.

[Grand Britannia]

That's the point, the top part is the most vulnerable of a tank -ADS or not. Most active protection systems had the issue of "OMG I CAN'T AIM STRAIGHT UP", which is why the Javelin is so deadly. Not even something like the Trophy system(which IIRC can stop ATGMs) can effectively engage diving munitions.

Shark allegedly has 360 degrees around 90 degrees up coverage. And yes, the top has the weakest armor: That's why you put reactive armor up there. Also, IR smoke will prevent the javelin from locking on to the tank, so you could just do that instead.

"Roof side fire" =/= 90 degree attack.

And my missiles aren't Javelins, they are capable of diving attacks.

[Altaiire]

Shark allegedly has 360 degrees around 90 degrees up coverage. And yes, the top has the weakest armor: That's why you put reactive armor up there. Also, IR smoke will prevent the javelin from locking on to the tank, so you could just do that instead.

"Roof side fire" =/= 90 degree attack.

And my missiles aren't Javelins, they are capable of diving attacks.

Don't know where you're seeing "roof side fire" anywhere, but I believe "hemispherical protection" does imply that.

Okay, what's the difference between "top attack" and "diving attack?"

[Grand Britannia]

"Roof side fire" =/= 90 degree attack.

And my missiles aren't Javelins, they are capable of diving attacks.

Don't know where you're seeing "roof side fire" anywhere, but I believe "hemispherical protection" does imply that.

Different types of RPGs and ATGMs were launched at various spots like the sides or the roof from close range (15 metres (49 ft), including mulit-hit attacks, in which multiple threats were used in a short period of time

The sensors are hemispherical, not necessarily the APS itself.

[Xanixi]

Don't know where you're seeing "roof side fire" anywhere, but I believe "hemispherical protection" does imply that.

Different types of RPGs and ATGMs were launched at various spots like the sides or the roof from close range (15 metres (49 ft), including mulit-hit attacks, in which multiple threats were used in a short period of time

The sensors are hemispherical, not necessarily the APS itself.

Sensors to detect threats the vehicle is incapable of eliminating?

Well, at least it lets the soldiers get 'slightly' mentally prepared.

[Grand Britannia]

The sensors are hemispherical, not necessarily the APS itself.

Sensors to detect threats the vehicle is incapable of eliminating?

Well, at least it lets the soldiers get 'slightly' mentally prepared.

Tell that to every countermeasure system ever invented.

[Xanixi]

Sensors to detect threats the vehicle is incapable of eliminating?

Well, at least it lets the soldiers get 'slightly' mentally prepared.

Tell that to every countermeasure system ever invented.

Flares are pretty capable of screwing HSMs.

[Grand Britannia]

Tell that to every countermeasure system ever invented.

Flares are pretty capable of screwing HSMs.

Flares are useless against radar guidance.

[Xanixi]

Flares are pretty capable of screwing HSMs.

Flares are useless against radar guidance.

It wasn't designed to detect radar guidance.
I get the point though.

[Altaiire]

Flares are pretty capable of screwing HSMs.

Flares are useless against radar guidance.

That's what chaff's for.