Anti-Communism Alliance - [MEMENTO MORI]

[New Belhavia]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=11899909#p11899909

Lol.

[New Belhavia]

More outrageous hypocrisy (Salzland's post): viewtopic.php?f=5&t=209614&p=11860370#p11860370

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I realise this is all IC - I would, however, like to address the IC points made, in an OoC context.

"...we believe that the only thing that they could do to avert a war would be to agree to immediately withdraw from any and all foreign territories that they are occupying...

Which consists of none whatsoever, so, sure, demand conceded.

agree to make full restitution to the citizens of those countries...

...for what? We gave the New Heathereans free healthcare, and allowed free passage through East and New Heathera. No one was in a country they didn't want to be in, and everyone that wanted it had high quality doctoral assistance, for free.

We didn't touch civilians in Karentynia.

...amend their charter to permit only defensive military actions under the ACA banner..

OK, come on. I have yet to see any type of purely defensive alliance.

...hand over unit commanders for war crimes and crimes against humanity tribunals convened by the citizens of the formerly occupied nations where appropriate...

...

Seriously, what war crimes?

...and to turn over their heads of state and any involved government and military officials for trials in the aforementioned formerly occupied nations.

For what crimes?

As those occupied nations would likely be destabilized for some time, and would likely have large numbers of ACA loyalists and collaborators present, we would suggest that our nations detain the surrendered ACA officials and officers until the dates of their trials, and provide security for the proceedings.

So you admit that ICly, some people like us. Congratulations, you just got a bit more mature.

Like I said, i understand this is all IC discussion, biased as a matter of course - I simply do not want any misunderstandings, for people to think any of this is true.

[Nachfolgia]

More outrageous hypocrisy (Salzland's post): viewtopic.php?f=5&t=209614&p=11860370#p11860370

He says that he wants to get the WA involved, but what evidence does he really have?

Under the ACA banner, neither I nor Prussia have oppressed any citizens of a nation. I am sure I can speak for the rest of the alliance as well.

[Elcric Kcalb]

As we all know, free healthcare is the most heinous of all war crimes. How shameful of the world at large to allow us to get away with such a thing!

[Castille de Italia]

More outrageous hypocrisy (Salzland's post): viewtopic.php?f=5&t=209614&p=11860370#p11860370

He says that he wants to get the WA involved, but what evidence does he really have?

Under the ACA banner, neither I nor Prussia have oppressed any citizens of a nation. I am sure I can speak for the rest of the alliance as well.

They can all draw up WA condemnations for every single one of us, which I'd be fine with...

Under the ACA banner, no. Under the Banner of the Phoenix, yes...

[United World Order]

UWO oppresses those that deserve it. ~

[Prussia-Steinbach]

UWO oppresses those that deserve it. ~

But not under the Anti-Communist banner.

[United World Order]

UWO oppresses those that deserve it. ~

But not under the Anti-Communist banner.

of course. They would not condone our methods.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

And look at this - the founder of the ACA is a World Benchmark of Civil Rights.

[Transnapastain]

And look at this - the founder of the ACA is a World Benchmark of Civil Rights.

Well, now to be fair, since when has the WA actually know what its talking about?

[Yohannes]

Hell, sell the physical building.

I am rather eager to see Boji's IC response.

Well... I couldn't without the deed to it. The idea is to sell things that technically belong to the nation who hosts the embassy. Like in Yohannes' case which, frankly, I still find hilarious.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=11899909#p11899909

Bahahaha! I should set up an embassy with them and sell their furniture AND strip all the wiring for scrap.

Bahahaha! I should set up an embassy with them and sell their furniture AND strip all the wiring for scrap.

Hell, sell the physical building.

I am rather eager to see Boji's IC response.

I am rather disappointed by this attitude.

The above is only four - out of more - rather childish, flamebaiting and (pardon my word) mixed OOC-IC prickly attitude. I have not done anything OOC-wise nor have I mentioned any of you guys or your organisation's name OOC wise let alone IC wise. May I ask why the need to ridicule my name, in a frankly, open public thread?

Transnapastain, I thought that you are a Forum Moderator. What have you done so far, inspite of seeing all these (I can record more from this thread) ridiculously childish behaviour and, without a doubt, negativity directed toward my name, when I have done nothing to this group of which you are a part of, whatsoever?

I am frankly a bit disappointed and feel like withdrawing my earlier voice of confidence toward your appointment as a Forum Moderator in NationStates. And that comes from me, one of the regular and known roleplayers in NationStates today.

Yohannes posted in the Fitzrovia Summit.

Not sure how I feel about that.

If you kindly take the time - and perhaps a little bit of sense (pardon my directness) - you will see that in no way whatsoever has I mentioned the 'Anti-Communism Alliance' nor reference any group, polities, entities or individuals relating to it. While I was initially willing to ignore this, frankly, ridiculous noobish act of all of you, I cannot ignore it any longer when I feel that all of you here have no manner whatsoever.

You have stated that this is a member-only thread, perhaps have a little bit of decency in not ridiculing your other - especially an innocent - fellow player in NationStates will do you guys a little bit of good.

Thank you for listening to my humble suggestion, and I hope that will bring a little bit of understanding.

[Transnapastain]

Transnapastain, I thought that you are a Forum Moderator. What have you done so far, inspite of seeing all these (I can record more from this thread) ridiculously childish behaviour and, without a doubt, negativity directed toward my name, when I have done nothing to this group of which you are a part of, whatsoever?

I am frankly a bit disappointed and feel like withdrawing my earlier voice of confidence toward your appointment as a Forum Moderator in NationStates. And that comes from me, one of the regular and known roleplayers in NationStates today.

I see no clear indications of anyone flamebaiting you. for that matter, I can't even ascertain what, exactly, the conversation is referring to in regards to you. Without context, it is meaningless to me. If you feel you've been slighted, you know how to handle that.

While I don't endorse the message Prussia posted in the thread, I did not see a cause for action. Its IC banter against what would be a rival, Bojikami responded here with banter of his own...at least, I believe this message was meant as a response to Prussia's post. Clearly, neither involved party felt there was a slight.

There has been much discussion of perceived hypocrisy and arrogance regarding several parties (both ACA and not) IC actions. There's absolutely nothing rule breaking regarding that, no one has at any point that I have seen, said "So and so is a moron for saying this" or "Can you believe what this jackass just said?".

All of which aside, fi there were instances of rule breaking in this thread, I'd hand them off to another moderator to avoid any "conflict of interest" questions being raised; I know I separate business actions from personal relationships, but its best to simply remove oneself form the equation

As always, rule breaking should be reported in moderation, and, if you feel strongly enough, moderator abuse or misuse of power can be reported via GHR.

[Elcric Kcalb]

I'm... I'm not even going to address that.

[Nachfolgia]

And look at this - the founder of the ACA is a World Benchmark of Civil Rights.

Congradualations! Mine is about half that.

[Anagonia]

*snip*

I think Yohannes has a legitimate point here guys, at least concerning the badmouthing that has been done to her name. However, when it comes to her referencing Trans as a probable target for misconduct, I wholeheartedly disagree. No offense, Yohannes.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I have done nothing wrong, so far as I can see. I expressed amusement at BP's actions regarding Yohannes's fictional embassy, and expressed a desire to see Bojikami's IC response to my IC communique.

[Elcric Kcalb]

I'm just a little bit flustered at how any sort of ridicule can be derived from those posts. Honestly.

[The Black Plains]

Okay, when I get upset on NS it's at least over things that are OOC (like Akimonad insulting me behind my back on the IRC, for instance). Yohannes, what I did was for laughs. If you can't appreciate that, I'm sorry. But it wasn't offensive. Every word that the Scandinvans has put on paper in character is more offensive than the most offensive thing I've EVER done IC. His foreign policy consists of telling nations that they suck, acting as pompous as he can, and making demands followed by threats. I do ONE thing that I think would be funny (and it was) and I get a monologue for it? Come on. At least I don't set up one day-alliances that I only allow my friends to join and literally do not even respond to any other applicant which is at the maturity level of building a treehouse with a sign that says "No Gurlz Allowd".

[Transnapastain]

So, while I can understand being upset (both parties) for the perceived slights against them, responding with more negativity ins;t going to solve much of anything and is only going to perpetuate and escalate.

Thats me speaking as a player, not a mod. I don't want it to get to the point where a mod has to speak on this matter.

[Salzland]

If you have problems with my IC posts, then come talk to me. Don't take shots at my OOC maturity, while commenting on an IC post, and hiding behind a Members Only thread.

[Yohannes]

First of all, I am not entering this thread to start a clear violation of this thread's first and foremost rule: Only members are allowed to post. I simply want to indicate to you guys that unlike most other people, I would try my best not to break anyone's thread rule, but the fact that I was thoroughly disappointed - and a little bit perplexed - by the evidence which I have gathered so far has proven that there has been something gathering in the background which I have not been able to indicate.

It seems that, in hindsight, there is a deep disgruntlement between many members of the Anti-Communism Alliance and other players outside the Alliance? What I would like to know is simply this; what somehow brought me into this list of people you guys are suspecting of 'being against' you guys. Was it me posting in the Fitzrovia Summit? Well, I have posted there simply because:

• Akimonad is a good NationStates friend of mine.
• I was feeling like posting in some II thread for fun when I made that brief - as you can see it was a simple and non-detailed - post.

If it seems that I have somehow entered a non-visible rubicon which indicate that I am somehow the 'enemy' both OOC and IC-wise simply for posting in a friend's thread (again, I would like for you guys to re-read my post in that thread), then please let me know.

Okay, when I get upset on NS it's at least over things that are OOC (like Akimonad insulting me behind my back on the IRC, for instance).

That is understandable, and I am sorry to hear that, The Black Plains.

Yohannes, what I did was for laughs. If you can't appreciate that, I'm sorry.

This one? viewtopic.php?p=11796626#p11796626

Oh yeah, I am cool with that (I am actually a bit amused in real life). I have learnt to differentiate IC and OOC attitude (or mostly hopefully) since quite sometime ago.

However, this:

If you want a laugh: viewtopic.php?p=11796626#p11796626

Do you really need to advertise an IC post in such a mocking OOC tone in a (and I am going to quote the thread title here) '(MEMBERS ONLY THREAD)' for everyone - as this is an open-viewed public thread - in International Incidents to see? I mean, it kind of defeat the purpose of having this thread as a member-only thread, isn't it...? When you have decided to do something IC-wise in someone's thread (which is fine), then deciding after that to parody or OOC-wise show it off for your whole audience - and not to mention the thread's opening poster - in your member-only thread.

I, of course, find that simply a source of mild discomfort. Initially. After this.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=11899909#p11899909

Bahahaha! I should set up an embassy with them and sell their furniture AND strip all the wiring for scrap.

Bahahaha! I should set up an embassy with them and sell their furniture AND strip all the wiring for scrap.

Hell, sell the physical building.

I am rather eager to see Boji's IC response.

Hell, sell the physical building.

I am rather eager to see Boji's IC response.

Well... I couldn't without the deed to it. The idea is to sell things that technically belong to the nation who hosts the embassy. Like in Yohannes' case which, frankly, I still find hilarious.

Do you guys... really feel the urge to mention my name in such a light is a bit tempting? Like, closing embassy IC-wise is a silly NationStates stuff (now I am speaking clearly). Who cares about NationStates In-Character stuff right? I know that more than others, considering I am currently studying my 3rd year of Law conjoint Science - I can care less if someone close his nation's embassy in my nation in the game; NationStates.

What I dislike, however, is the fact in which this move has been portrayed or gloated as a trophy of success OOC-wise not just as a one-time passing by measure, but more than twice in the same thread - and the fact that my name was mentioned in such a light, when I have not in fact ever come across in conflict OOC-wise with you guys or this thread before, upset me even more.

If I once got into an argument or disappointed you guys by arguing with you guys, then that that move would be fine, I guess? But the fact that we've never come across one another in a bad way was the thing which discomforted me the most. You see, it was random. Out of the blue OOC trophy-gloating.

And my previous post exactly portrayed the above disappointment of mine. No, it was not made in a light of 'let's do this'. It was made after I have observed this thread - first as an interested party and observer (in a positive way) - and found out disturbingly that my name was mentioned more than once in such a way in this thread.

Now that I have got my explanation aside, and have replied to the main point in contention, let's go into replying the rest;

If you can't appreciate that, I'm sorry. But it wasn't offensive.

The above.

Every word that the Scandinvans has put on paper in character is more offensive than the most offensive thing I've EVER done IC.

But you see. Let's say theoretically The Scandinvans has decided to do the same to me. He would - or I hope he would not - not gloat about it OOC-wise as a trophy prize in a 'member-only closed thread' viewable by all other roleplayers in International Incidents. Then awaiting the reaction of his alliance buddy to see whether they would like to add to the hilariousness of the situation. Surely it would not be offensive to him. In fact, it would hopefully be a hilarious way to start a new topic for him and his theoretical alliance buddies; but would such a gloating move be viewed as hilarious by me? I don't think so.

His foreign policy consists of telling nations that they suck, acting as pompous as he can, and making demands followed by threats. I do ONE thing that I think would be funny (and it was) and I get a monologue for it? Come on.

Above and previous above.

At least I don't set up one day-alliances that I only allow my friends to join and literally do not even respond to any other applicant which is at the maturity level of building a treehouse with a sign that says "No Gurlz Allowd".

Yeah... thanks god you have not started such an abomination...

But yeah I hope it is now clear. I personally do not mind about the IC post itself. Thank you for listening to my previous (and this post).

Transnapastain, I thought that you are a Forum Moderator. What have you done so far, inspite of seeing all these (I can record more from this thread) ridiculously childish behaviour and, without a doubt, negativity directed toward my name, when I have done nothing to this group of which you are a part of, whatsoever?

I am frankly a bit disappointed and feel like withdrawing my earlier voice of confidence toward your appointment as a Forum Moderator in NationStates. And that comes from me, one of the regular and known roleplayers in NationStates today.

I see no clear indications of anyone flamebaiting you. for that matter, I can't even ascertain what, exactly, the conversation is referring to in regards to you. Without context, it is meaningless to me. If you feel you've been slighted, you know how to handle that.

While I don't endorse the message Prussia posted in the thread, I did not see a cause for action. Its IC banter against what would be a rival, Bojikami responded here with banter of his own...at least, I believe this message was meant as a response to Prussia's post. Clearly, neither involved party felt there was a slight.

There has been much discussion of perceived hypocrisy and arrogance regarding several parties (both ACA and not) IC actions. There's absolutely nothing rule breaking regarding that, no one has at any point that I have seen, said "So and so is a moron for saying this" or "Can you believe what this jackass just said?".

All of which aside, fi there were instances of rule breaking in this thread, I'd hand them off to another moderator to avoid any "conflict of interest" questions being raised; I know I separate business actions from personal relationships, but its best to simply remove oneself form the equation

As always, rule breaking should be reported in moderation, and, if you feel strongly enough, moderator abuse or misuse of power can be reported via GHR.

I see no clear indications of anyone flamebaiting you.

Full explanation above.

for that matter, I can't even ascertain what, exactly, the conversation is referring to in regards to you. Without context, it is meaningless to me. If you feel you've been slighted, you know how to handle that.

I personally find it a bit funny that - given all the evidence I have quoted and now posted - you have still not, somehow, 'ascertain what the conversation is referring to in regards to you.'

it is meaningless to me

Of course.

If you feel you've been slighted, you know how to handle that.

Oh yeah. I know how to handle that. I act upon it and face it head on. Only then hopefully will it be solved. There is no point hiding it or posting from another medium hoping it will be solved by others - or by itself. That is only a way of avoiding reality.

While I don't endorse the message Prussia posted in the thread, I did not see a cause for action. Its IC banter against what would be a rival, Bojikami responded here with banter of his own...at least, I believe this message was meant as a response to Prussia's post. Clearly, neither involved party felt there was a slight.

I can care less about Prussia and Bojikami's In-Character banter. What I care about, however, has been explained by me above, and in my previous post.

There has been much discussion of perceived hypocrisy and arrogance regarding several parties (both ACA and not) IC actions.

I can care less about such a happening, so long as it do not effect, and is not inflicted upon me (as has happened and was the reason why I have decided to finally post here), a neutral, innocent player impervious to many things in NationStates power struggle and drama today.

All of which aside, fi there were instances of rule breaking in this thread, I'd hand them off to another moderator to avoid any "conflict of interest" questions being raised; I know I separate business actions from personal relationships, but its best to simply remove oneself form the equation

I do not want to go that route. If I wish to, I would have done that already, easily. But I did not. Why? Because I have respected every single of my fellow roleplayers in NationStates, until of course they have decided to not do the same to me. I regard all of you as potential roleplaying friends - and some of you I regard already as NationStates acquaintances. That is why I have decided to face it head on and raise my source of discomfort to all of you - members of the Anti-Communism Alliance, head-on. Instead of hiding it behind the umbrella known as the Moderation forum.

As always, rule breaking should be reported in moderation, and, if you feel strongly enough, moderator abuse or misuse of power can be reported via GHR.

I have never stated that you've abused your power. I am direct like that. I have stated, however, that I was upset over the lack of knowledge you're having over your alliance, and the course which it is going into. I certainly didn't expect that of someone of your calibre. However, in reflection, my previous post was made in the middle of a heated posting scenario, and thus I would like to apologise to you for the harshness of my previous post. I guess I was being unfair to you now that I have looked over my old post again.

However, when it comes to her referencing Trans as a probable target for misconduct, I wholeheartedly disagree. No offense, Yohannes.

Yeah, even I now agree with you as well. That was a bit harsh. I have posted my apology. Again, my apology for that disheartening post.

I hope that this will clear everything. Once again, thank you for listening to both of my posts, and I hope that this will close it off. Note that I do not keep any bad-feeling over the game NationStates as that is just silly. I have stuff in real life I need to worry about such as my degree, a cute chick and work. So yeah, hopefully this will show that I posted that not to demean you guys, but to simply show my displeasure at what had happened so far. Nothing biggie really.

[Nachfolgia]

If you have problems with my IC posts, then come talk to me. Don't take shots at my OOC maturity, while commenting on an IC post, and hiding behind a Members Only thread.

Hey, this is a members only thread.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Yohannes, I think you have misunderstood something. When BP and I joked about selling the building, et cetera, we were referring to Bojikami, not you.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=11899909#p11899909

Link to my post in Boji's thread.

Bahahaha! I should set up an embassy with them and sell their furniture AND strip all the wiring for scrap.

He should do this to Bojikami.

Bahahaha! I should set up an embassy with them and sell their furniture AND strip all the wiring for scrap.

Hell, sell the physical building.

I am rather eager to see Boji's IC response.

A joke. Also indicating I am referring to Boji.

Hell, sell the physical building.

I am rather eager to see Boji's IC response.

Well... I couldn't without the deed to it. The idea is to sell things that technically belong to the nation who hosts the embassy. Like in Yohannes' case which, frankly, I still find hilarious.

You have already said you found this funny enough. Apparently it isn't a problem.

See what I mean?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

If you have problems with my IC posts, then come talk to me. Don't take shots at my OOC maturity, while commenting on an IC post, and hiding behind a Members Only thread.

You could simply post in our open thread, which we all have posted in as well, instead of deliberately breaking the 'rule' specified in the OP.

I stated that badly. it was meant to address your nation, ICly - I can see how you obviously took that as a personal attack. I did not mean it that way, and apologise.