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Postby New Emperica » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:28 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:Silly Emperica, that's my land post war :twisted:

Only me controlling all of Europe and not Japan.
n't even be that stupid.)[/quote]

It's physically impossible to occupy all of that land unless 90% of those countries and 80% of their citizens were all super cooporative and wanted you to go all monarcho-fascist rule on them.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:31 pm

New Emperica wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:Silly Emperica, that's my land post war :twisted:

Only me controlling all of Europe and not Japan.
n't even be that stupid.)


It's physically impossible to occupy all of that land unless 90% of those countries and 80% of their citizens were all super cooporative and wanted you to go all monarcho-fascist rule on them.[/quote]

Not if you attack intelligently and split your invasions in a series of campaigns, instead of going the stupid way and taking it all at once.

Even if you had time to recover within that frame, so did we.
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Postby New Emperica » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:32 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:Not if you attack intelligently and split your invasions in a series of campaigns, instead of going the stupid way and taking it all at once.

Even if you had time to recover within that frame, so did we.


No, you misunderstand.
It's physically impossible to control and manage half of the Earth at once under one regime. Even you had the most intelligent battle and management plans in history. Hell, just China is physically impossible to occupy.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:33 pm

New Emperica wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:Not if you attack intelligently and split your invasions in a series of campaigns, instead of going the stupid way and taking it all at once.

Even if you had time to recover within that frame, so did we.


No, you misunderstand.
It's physically impossible to control and manage half of the Earth at once under one regime. Even you had the most intelligent battle and management plans in history. Hell, just China is physically impossible to occupy.


Totalitarianism.

Screw civil rights. Only real Britannians get that.
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Postby New Emperica » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:37 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:[
Totalitarianism.

Screw civil rights. Only real Britannians get that.


Okay. If only real Britannians get rights, that means any auxillary forced to serve in the military (because there is no possible way only the combined military of Europe can occupy all that land) would rather fight in the resistance or refuse to serve outright, preventing you from establishing that totalitarian rule over then. Count all of the casualties that come from such a massive war, even if it is well planned out and not all at once, you have a severely depleted military and the governments of those nations (other the citizens there-of) will revolt wherever the least amount of Britannian forces are.

And don't say any crap about brainwashing, propaganda, or indoctrination. That only works on cheese-eating surrender monkeys.
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Postby Durmatagno » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:38 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:
New Emperica wrote:
No, you misunderstand.
It's physically impossible to control and manage half of the Earth at once under one regime. Even you had the most intelligent battle and management plans in history. Hell, just China is physically impossible to occupy.


Totalitarianism.

Screw civil rights. Only real Britannians get that.


I have been leaning to siding with imperial Japan...............

Thats it, I'm flipping a coin, still not getting involved till I have a reason though.
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Postby New Emperica » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:39 pm

Durmatagno wrote:I have been leaning to siding with imperial Japan...............

Thats it, I'm flipping a coin, still not getting involved till I have a reason though.


SIMPLE: are you imperialist or isolationist? Capitalist or socialist?
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Postby Grand Britannia » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:39 pm

New Emperica wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:[
Totalitarianism.

Screw civil rights. Only real Britannians get that.


Okay. If only real Britannians get rights, that means any auxillary forced to serve in the military (because there is no possible way only the combined military of Europe can occupy all that land) would rather fight in the resistance or refuse to serve outright, preventing you from establishing that totalitarian rule over then. Count all of the casualties that come from such a massive war, even if it is well planned out and not all at once, you have a severely depleted military and the governments of those nations (other the citizens there-of) will revolt wherever the least amount of Britannian forces are.

And don't say any crap about brainwashing, propaganda, or indoctrination. That only works on cheese-eating surrender monkeys.


I won't be so depleted since I will go through periods of invasions and recovery.

Besides, I have plenty of ideas in how to make conquered people obey me.
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Postby New Emperica » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:40 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:I won't be so depleted since I will go through periods of invasions and recovery.

Besides, I have plenty of ideas in how to make conquered people obey me.


-_-'

Doesn't change the fact that it's still pretty much impossible and that if you ever did that in an RP people would call you out.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:49 pm

New Emperica wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:I won't be so depleted since I will go through periods of invasions and recovery.

Besides, I have plenty of ideas in how to make conquered people obey me.


-_-'

Doesn't change the fact that it's still pretty much impossible and that if you ever did that in an RP people would call you out.


That's because people RP their population as overly-patriotic zealots instead of humans.

I'm one of the few who actually RP their soldier's morale, the effects of victory and defeat on them, as well as their combat efficiency. If I found myself losing constantly, I would RP my soldiers feeling less confident in a total victory, thus decreasing how well the fight.

I also don't like RP-ing the typical overly-zealous population. Sure, there's always the patriotic freak thrown into the mix, but that's the normal thing to happen. Conquered people, of course, aren't really fond of my government. Though they are granted honorary citizenship if they serve the us.
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Postby New Emperica » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:50 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:That's because people RP their population as overly-patriotic zealots instead of humans.

I'm one of the few who actually RP their soldier's morale, the effects of victory and defeat on them, as well as their combat efficiency. If I found myself losing constantly, I would RP my soldiers feeling less confident in a total victory, thus decreasing how well the fight.

I also don't like RP-ing the typical overly-zealous population. Sure, there's always the patriotic freak thrown into the mix, but that's the normal thing to happen. Conquered people, of course, aren't really fond of my government. Though they are granted honorary citizenship if they serve the us.


Nah. That's the way it is in many countries.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:56 pm

New Emperica wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:That's because people RP their population as overly-patriotic zealots instead of humans.

I'm one of the few who actually RP their soldier's morale, the effects of victory and defeat on them, as well as their combat efficiency. If I found myself losing constantly, I would RP my soldiers feeling less confident in a total victory, thus decreasing how well the fight.

I also don't like RP-ing the typical overly-zealous population. Sure, there's always the patriotic freak thrown into the mix, but that's the normal thing to happen. Conquered people, of course, aren't really fond of my government. Though they are granted honorary citizenship if they serve the us.


Nah. That's the way it is in many countries.


There's a difference between liking your country, and killing, dying, going hungry for days, being exposed to the elements, being shot at, losing an arm, losing your hearing, being traumatized from probably seeing dead(or still living) bodies mauled in a horrendous way for the first time, having to fight sick in emergencies, taking shrapnel, getting burnt alive, probably having to walk for days under enemy fire, and sleeping on the dirt for your country.

Do note, that this is only a small fraction of what can happen in war.
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Postby Durmatagno » Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:07 pm

New Emperica wrote:
Durmatagno wrote:I have been leaning to siding with imperial Japan...............

Thats it, I'm flipping a coin, still not getting involved till I have a reason though.


SIMPLE: are you imperialist or isolationist? Capitalist or socialist?


Point, may as well say my choice, I side with the Union, sorry Japan, but we have to go with the ones we agree with.

Standard LMG:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Army_Heritage_Museum_B.A.R..jpg

Sub-standard

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... SONMG1.jpg

Standard Rifle:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... museum.jpg
Sub-standard

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... museum.jpg

Standard Side Arms:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ompson.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... M3-SMG.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... %82ego.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... kII_07.JPG

Anti-tank rifle:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... _Rifle.jpg

Light Tanks:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... borden.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... Knox-1.jpg

Medium Tanks:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 8/T-44.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... rmanM4.jpg

Heavy Tanks:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... /T35_7.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... t_1939.jpg

Aircraft: ( Whew ) As for navy, all is US, this is mixed.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ited-2.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... l_B-24.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... b1/B32.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _c1940.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... t_1942.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 537%29.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... l_USAF.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... xpress.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... mmando.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... GKY_01.JPG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _3_300.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... A_USAF.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... racuda.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _Havoc.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... a_1943.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ka_J11.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... rd_arp.jpg
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Postby Grand Britannia » Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:12 pm

Durmatagno wrote:
New Emperica wrote:
SIMPLE: are you imperialist or isolationist? Capitalist or socialist?


Point, may as well say my choice, I side with the Union, sorry Japan, but we have to go with the ones we agree with.

Standard LMG:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Army_Heritage_Museum_B.A.R..jpg

Sub-standard

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... SONMG1.jpg

Standard Rifle:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... museum.jpg
Sub-standard

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... museum.jpg

Standard Side Arms:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ompson.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... M3-SMG.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... %82ego.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... kII_07.JPG

Anti-tank rifle:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... _Rifle.jpg

Light Tanks:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... borden.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... etroit.jpg

Medium Tanks:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 8/T-44.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... rmanM4.jpg

Heavy Tanks:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... /T35_7.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... t_1939.jpg

Aircraft: ( Whew ) As for navy, all is US, this is mixed.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ited-2.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... l_B-24.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... b1/B32.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _c1940.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... t_1942.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 537%29.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... l_USAF.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... xpress.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... mmando.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... GKY_01.JPG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _3_300.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... A_USAF.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... racuda.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _Havoc.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... a_1943.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ka_J11.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... rd_arp.jpg


M24 is 1950's tech, we`er still in the 40's.
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Postby Durmatagno » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:16 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:
Durmatagno wrote:
Point, may as well say my choice, I side with the Union, sorry Japan, but we have to go with the ones we agree with.

Standard LMG:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Army_Heritage_Museum_B.A.R..jpg

Sub-standard

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... SONMG1.jpg

Standard Rifle:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... museum.jpg
Sub-standard

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... museum.jpg

Standard Side Arms:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ompson.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... M3-SMG.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... %82ego.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... kII_07.JPG

Anti-tank rifle:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... _Rifle.jpg

Light Tanks:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... borden.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... Knox-1.jpg

Medium Tanks:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 8/T-44.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... rmanM4.jpg

Heavy Tanks:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... /T35_7.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... t_1939.jpg

Aircraft: ( Whew ) As for navy, all is US, this is mixed.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ited-2.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... l_B-24.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... b1/B32.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _c1940.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... t_1942.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 537%29.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... l_USAF.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... xpress.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... mmando.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... GKY_01.JPG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _3_300.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... A_USAF.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... racuda.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _Havoc.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... a_1943.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ka_J11.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... rd_arp.jpg


M24 is 1950's tech, we`er still in the 40's.


Ooops, hmmmm, I knew that, but I was reading on it anyway, so I must have forgotten it and just pasted all the stuff, one second
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Postby Altaiire » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:43 pm

Small correction directed at Emp: The tanks making up the front line of defense on the riverbank are T28s (superheavy,) not T26s (medium.)
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Postby Grand America » Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:11 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:
Durmatagno wrote:
You forget I have yet to take a side ;)


When I'm done with Xani, and you decided not to side with me, I believe I will have enough resources at the time to steamroll what's left.

Course that would mean this WW2 will make the RL war look like child's plays in terms of human losses.


Not gonna be an easy task...
I'm significantly more stubborn when someone is threatening my land than during occupation or invasion of some other soil.
And I'm very stubborn in the latter.

You also have to cross the massive shield of rednecks :D

BTW, I won't RP as patriotic zealots, but there is a strong chance that the Union Militia Defense, as well as any person who isn't a fan of a totalitarian government, will fight you, if you manage to actually invade.
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Postby Grand America » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:09 am

New Emperica wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:[
Totalitarianism.

Screw civil rights. Only real Britannians get that.


Okay. If only real Britannians get rights, that means any auxiliary* forced to serve in the military (because there is no possible way only the combined military of Europe can occupy all that land) would rather fight in the resistance or refuse to serve outright, preventing you from establishing that totalitarian rule over then. Count all of the casualties that come from such a massive war, even if it is well planned out and not all at once, you have a severely depleted military and the governments of those nations (other the citizens there-of) will revolt wherever the least amount of Britannian forces are.

And don't say any crap about brainwashing, propaganda, or indoctrination. That only works on cheese-eating surrender monkeys.


:clap:

Indoctrination! Good job!

Now, seriously, this is true. Back during the Second World War, France was torn apart, but not just from the Blitz or her reconquer. During the war itself, countless people signed on in a Resistance, and actually killed many, many Germans. The Allies actually officially thanked these people, since they managed to reduce the resistance they met when running through the nation. It's pretty impressive, and they weren't all zealots. Granted, they had the Allies to drag away military forces, but this is on a far larger scale. You're trying to keep your hold on the rest of the world, and everyone else is fighting to get their countries back.

Considering the major overwhelming power of these freedom fighters, as your forces as spread ungodfully thin, you would eventually break. In fact, I doubt the Union, ULER, or the UESR would remain conquered for very long.

Ah, I can see it now. Major resistance fighters rushing out into Time Square, carefully shooting the Britannian forces, one by one. Perfect...

No, but seriously, you'd be screwed...

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Okay. If only real Britannians get rights, that means any auxillary forced to serve in the military (because there is no possible way only the combined military of Europe can occupy all that land) would rather fight in the resistance or refuse to serve outright, preventing you from establishing that totalitarian rule over then. Count all of the casualties that come from such a massive war, even if it is well planned out and not all at once, you have a severely depleted military and the governments of those nations (other the citizens there-of) will revolt wherever the least amount of Britannian forces are.

And don't say any crap about brainwashing, propaganda, or indoctrination. That only works on cheese-eating surrender monkeys.


I won't be so depleted since I will go through periods of invasions and recovery.

Besides, I have plenty of ideas in how to make conquered people obey me.


Doesn't really work that way. The Union military wouldn't leave you to recover. Besides, if you were to invade the Union, it would take less time for us to recover, as our sources of supplies are right behind us, while yours are across an ocean. Very different.

Also...you can't control my citizens :D

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SIMPLE: are you imperialist or isolationist? Capitalist or socialist?


Point, may as well say my choice, I side with the Union, sorry Japan, but we have to go with the ones we agree with.


Yay!

All in all, the Union isn't getting conquered for long...
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We were talking about matching your other tanks. It figures you'd have more medium tanks than heavy.
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My reaction to Xani's posts.

I'm not currently Totalitarian, BTW.
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Postby Grand America » Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:13 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:My reaction to Xani's posts.

I'm not currently Totalitarian, BTW.


Really?

Could you give me an example?
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Grand America wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:My reaction to Xani's posts.

I'm not currently Totalitarian, BTW.


Really?

Could you give me an example?


IJ is west of you.

You do the math.
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Postby Durmatagno » Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:53 pm

I won't remain conquered for long either,i if that happens, and besides, invaders will have to deal with heavy forest, disease, and many other things, i can wait and bide my time :).

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Durmatagno wrote:I won't remain conquered for long either,i if that happens, and besides, invaders will have to deal with heavy forest, disease, and many other things, i can wait and bide my time :).

Hey America, what should we call our IC union, ( cause we will join forces if everything stays together that long )


Even you are not conquered, you just lost striking capabilities for decades.
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Postby Durmatagno » Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:38 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:
Durmatagno wrote:I won't remain conquered for long either,i if that happens, and besides, invaders will have to deal with heavy forest, disease, and many other things, i can wait and bide my time :).

Hey America, what should we call our IC union, ( cause we will join forces if everything stays together that long )


Even you are not conquered, you just lost striking capabilities for decades.


True, but I'm heavily defended not just by troops, bot natural barriers as well, so we would survive.
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