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Postby Brennertal » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:08 am

This is Brennertal representing Austria and her Possessions! I've decided it best if I get a proper region set up that I can devote to the RP, as I feel as though it makes the whole RP more involving.

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Postby Phalnia » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:09 am

This kinda popped into my head. I think it would be a good idea for each of us to make a small factbook detailing our cultures.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:11 am

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Ah, so if we were going to go down the route of being slighty different to most of the other nations, an invasion scenario would best explain it. I think I'm going to be a rather minor power, but it really depends upon the history of the Kingdom.

If it's the invasion scenario, then my ancestors could have given up a lot of land to retain their noble status, for example.


Yeah - and perhaps my people were pushed back to the mountains after a series of defeats, and now largely inhabit the mountainous coastal region by the steppes (where they once came from). I can't wait to marry off a princess to your eldest son! I think, also, due to living in a mountainous area, I may base my economy around mining. Time to research 11th and 12th century mining techniques!

I'll likely be in a similar position; Native, but with intermarriage with new nobility. I stylize my patriarch as "prince" so that I can note a cultural root that has the title of prince being the highest position of leadership. My economy will probably be a mix of mining, fishing and trade.

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Postby Brennertal » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:11 am

Phalnia wrote:This kinda popped into my head. I think it would be a good idea for each of us to make a small factbook detailing our cultures.


It certainly would be, but I think we need to reach a concensus as to what position we're in right now, how the island come to be populated, and how similar our cultures are.

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Postby Pawn and King » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:12 am

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Yeah - and perhaps my people were pushed back to the mountains after a series of defeats, and now largely inhabit the mountainous coastal region by the steppes (where they once came from). I can't wait to marry off a princess to your eldest son! I think, also, due to living in a mountainous area, I may base my economy around mining. Time to research 11th and 12th century mining techniques!


As long as you're not regarded as a pariah by the other nations! You might see me as a sell-out, though, but this is all hypothetical. For example, I may wish to have any daughters marry into the other culture to reassure them that I'm on their side; marrying one of your daughters may be regarded as threatening by the others, but it depends how friendly you are with them.

Hm, early mining would have just been bell-pits, and most iron would be found in bogs.


Apparently surface mining and contour mining were done (respectively on flat and hilly terrain), and open-pit mining. Even some strip mining began. In the Middle Ages, mining was all about copper and iron, with obviously, silver and gold being pretty popular too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining#Medieval_Europe this period also coincided with the usage of water for bloomeries.

Rather interesting, really.
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Postby Brennertal » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:16 am

Ceannairceach wrote:I'll likely be in a similar position; Native, but with intermarriage with new nobility. I stylize my patriarch as "prince" so that I can note a cultural root that has the title of prince being the highest position of leadership. My economy will probably be a mix of mining, fishing and trade.


Oh good, more potential natives! I can definitely see parallels with the Norman conquest here, with P&K and I being equivalent to the Saxons, and you being perhaps more of a Celtic, Pictish heritage?

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Postby Ceannairceach » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:18 am

Brennertal wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:I'll likely be in a similar position; Native, but with intermarriage with new nobility. I stylize my patriarch as "prince" so that I can note a cultural root that has the title of prince being the highest position of leadership. My economy will probably be a mix of mining, fishing and trade.


Oh good, more potential natives! I can definitely see parallels with the Norman conquest here, with P&K and I being equivalent to the Saxons, and you being perhaps more of a Celtic, Pictish heritage?

Welsh, to be exact. Hence the tradition of the use of the title "Prince".

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Postby Pawn and King » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:19 am

Ceannairceach wrote:
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Yeah - and perhaps my people were pushed back to the mountains after a series of defeats, and now largely inhabit the mountainous coastal region by the steppes (where they once came from). I can't wait to marry off a princess to your eldest son! I think, also, due to living in a mountainous area, I may base my economy around mining. Time to research 11th and 12th century mining techniques!

I'll likely be in a similar position; Native, but with intermarriage with new nobility. I stylize my patriarch as "prince" so that I can note a cultural root that has the title of prince being the highest position of leadership. My economy will probably be a mix of mining, fishing and trade.


I was thinking mining, fishing and wool :) probably trading those goods.
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Postby Brennertal » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:26 am

Ceannairceach wrote:Welsh, to be exact. Hence the tradition of the use of the title "Prince".


Ooh, not sure how well we'd get on, then! We'll see, though! It's up to the OP to confirm the lines that Talahame's history will go along.

Interesting that the ending of my dominion, Brennertal has the beginning of Talahame's... Perhaps a link there. I initially intended for 'tal' to mean valley, as it does in German, but perhaps Tal could now mean the people that inhabited the island initally, making Brennertal mean 'The town of Bren and its possessions, populated by the Tallic people'.

Perhaps the people of Bren also have a different name for Talahame. Talheim, home of the Tal?

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Postby Hungramy » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:37 am

May i join, my follow RPers?

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Postby Phalnia » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:41 am

Hungramy wrote:May i join, my follow RPers?

I'm pretty sure this is open forever.

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Postby Hungramy » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:47 am

Phalnia wrote:
Hungramy wrote:May i join, my follow RPers?

I'm pretty sure this is open forever.

Good, by the way i would to make it clear that i have a weird learning disorder that makes it harder for me to learn and remember words, i hope this won't hurt my chances to join, and if i do mess up a word just let me know and i'll fix it.

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Postby Ossurwald » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:50 am

Spiral Sun wrote:Prince-Bishoprics allowed?

Actually, we'll need a head of the central religion. So if you'd like to take on even more, that'd be great. I don't mind if religiously, it's hereditary.

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Postby Pawn and King » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:51 am

Hungramy wrote:
Phalnia wrote:I'm pretty sure this is open forever.

Good, by the way i would to make it clear that i have a weird learning disorder that makes it harder for me to learn and remember words, i hope this won't hurt my chances to join, and if i do mess up a word just let me know and i'll fix it.

I imagine it won't change your chances to join, but may take you longer to RP, as we may be using fictional place names, and uncommon terminology (such as Thane or Maermor).

Also, I think you have to be willing to move your nation to the region, as well. Keep this in mind if you sign up, the application can be found in the OP.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:53 am

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Spiral Sun wrote:Prince-Bishoprics allowed?

Actually, we'll need a head of the central religion. So if you'd like to take on even more, that'd be great. I don't mind if religiously, it's hereditary.

Would there be one religion for the entire Kingdom, or would a few be able to have either different sects or different religions entirely?

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Postby Spiral Sun » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:57 am

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Ossurwald wrote:Actually, we'll need a head of the central religion. So if you'd like to take on even more, that'd be great. I don't mind if religiously, it's hereditary.

Would there be one religion for the entire Kingdom, or would a few be able to have either different sects or different religions entirely?

It might depend on how much influence each ruler allowed their congregations and priests. I certainly wouldn't say no to having being some sort of Patriarch, though we might want to think over property rights and any religious rules that would be important to politics in this game. That and tithes and inheritances.
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Postby Pawn and King » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:58 am

Ceannairceach wrote:
Ossurwald wrote:Actually, we'll need a head of the central religion. So if you'd like to take on even more, that'd be great. I don't mind if religiously, it's hereditary.

Would there be one religion for the entire Kingdom, or would a few be able to have either different sects or different religions entirely?

It'd be a little silly to have one religion for the entire Kingdom (except, I suppose if you're an invader/native) akin to the Norse Gods, the Pagan Gods, and the Christian God that were around in the UK about the 12th century.
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Postby Spiral Sun » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:02 pm

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Ceannairceach wrote:Would there be one religion for the entire Kingdom, or would a few be able to have either different sects or different religions entirely?

It'd be a little silly to have one religion for the entire Kingdom (except, I suppose if you're an invader/native) akin to the Norse Gods, the Pagan Gods, and the Christian God that were around in the UK about the 12th century.

Also could try for something like the Holy Roman Empire. Really though, the Pope never had central authority, their have been to many schism, threatened schisms, then also the "Catholic" rulers taking seizing church lands, expelling priests, and that one time the Spanish king set Rome on fire... We will probably just do things like in real life, where as it got older the nobility had all the bishops be their second-born sons.
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Postby Mereshka » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:33 pm

Well, if this is like most medieval settings, the dominant religion will likely have quite a lot of power. Possibly exploitable, if the religious leaders are corrupt. As such this is probably somewhat we should consider carefully.

On an umrelated note...after taking a look at the map, I'd be interested in having territory in the north western portion, just above the main mountaim range.
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Postby Ossurwald » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:34 pm

Before this rapidly gets out of control, I want to reiterate that I'd like for there to be a sort of unitary culture, not like six disparate cultures that have almost next to no relation to each other. Yes, there's certainly different cultures in Europe during this time, but they're at least somewhat similar, especially in areas where they border one another.

Religion is also a large part of that, I believe, even with the ongoing practice of paganism in this time period. There's no sense in underestimating how powerful the Church was, both in international politics (if you can call it that) and in daily life.

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Postby Ossurwald » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:35 pm

Hungramy wrote:
Phalnia wrote:I'm pretty sure this is open forever.

Good, by the way i would to make it clear that i have a weird learning disorder that makes it harder for me to learn and remember words, i hope this won't hurt my chances to join, and if i do mess up a word just let me know and i'll fix it.

Just as long as you fill out an application and look to work on improvement, that's fine.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:48 pm

Ossurwald wrote:Before this rapidly gets out of control, I want to reiterate that I'd like for there to be a sort of unitary culture, not like six disparate cultures that have almost next to no relation to each other. Yes, there's certainly different cultures in Europe during this time, but they're at least somewhat similar, especially in areas where they border one another.

Religion is also a large part of that, I believe, even with the ongoing practice of paganism in this time period. There's no sense in underestimating how powerful the Church was, both in international politics (if you can call it that) and in daily life.

What will be the mixed cultures, precisely, gain? Wasn't it Celtic, Anglo-Saxon, and Slavic, or something along those lines?

Also, what I meant by different sects of the religion were varying practices. Like the differences between Coptic Christians, Catholics, Arians, and whatnot. Would those be allowed, or would the dominant religion not have schismed slightly to allow for variation between practices?
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Postby Spiral Sun » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:51 pm

Mereshka wrote:Well, if this is like most medieval settings, the dominant religion will likely have quite a lot of power. Possibly exploitable, if the religious leaders are corrupt. As such this is probably somewhat we should consider carefully.

On an umrelated note...after taking a look at the map, I'd be interested in having territory in the north western portion, just above the main mountaim range.

You can look over my other RPs if you wish. I tend to be the sort to focus on influence, realism, and territorial integrety. Though I also a strong advocate of seperation of church and state as I find the state's influence ruins the church. Anyways, we might as well all put out issues that we think should be adressed. I am wondering if this is one of the elective monarchies like Poland, Germany, and France once where, the issue of 'Cuius regio, eius religio', if there is a system of roads and canals, if there is standard measurements... I think I might fit well as a nitpicking Patriarch in a gilded marble basilica.
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Postby Spiral Sun » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:53 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Ossurwald wrote:Before this rapidly gets out of control, I want to reiterate that I'd like for there to be a sort of unitary culture, not like six disparate cultures that have almost next to no relation to each other. Yes, there's certainly different cultures in Europe during this time, but they're at least somewhat similar, especially in areas where they border one another.

Religion is also a large part of that, I believe, even with the ongoing practice of paganism in this time period. There's no sense in underestimating how powerful the Church was, both in international politics (if you can call it that) and in daily life.

What will be the mixed cultures, precisely, gain? Wasn't it Celtic, Anglo-Saxon, and Slavic, or something along those lines?

Also, what I meant by different sects of the religion were varying practices. Like the differences between Coptic Christians, Catholics, Arians, and whatnot. Would those be allowed, or would the dominant religion not have schismed slightly to allow for variation between practices?

Start a bit more simply and have nepotism in your clergy or have the various religious brotherhoods vieing for influence.
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Postby Ossurwald » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:56 pm

Spiral Sun wrote:
Mereshka wrote:Well, if this is like most medieval settings, the dominant religion will likely have quite a lot of power. Possibly exploitable, if the religious leaders are corrupt. As such this is probably somewhat we should consider carefully.

On an umrelated note...after taking a look at the map, I'd be interested in having territory in the north western portion, just above the main mountaim range.

You can look over my other RPs if you wish. I tend to be the sort to focus on influence, realism, and territorial integrety. Though I also a strong advocate of seperation of church and state as I find the state's influence ruins the church. Anyways, we might as well all put out issues that we think should be adressed. I am wondering if this is one of the elective monarchies like Poland, Germany, and France once where, the issue of 'Cuius regio, eius religio', if there is a system of roads and canals, if there is standard measurements... I think I might fit well as a nitpicking Patriarch in a gilded marble basilica.

Can you post an app? "Patriarch" is what I was thinking. We can hash out some of these details when the forums start to go up, which is the hardest part of establishing a region, in my opinion.

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