The Right-to-Life Alliance (IC)

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Mikhail Kozlov has been elected Judge by a 2-0 majority. The Autocratic Establishment of Syleruias has been elected as the Military Minister for the Anti-Nazi Alliance by a 2-0 majority.

Order in the Court.
There is a question to be decided: who has the right to pass sentences? I, in my capacity as Chief Justiciar, the Supreme Judge of Libraria and Ausitoria, am of the opinion that clearly the court, to fulfil the criteria laid out by convention, must be in the position to bring persons to trial. Could other Judges please indicate whether this is their opinion also, or to the contrary.

We thank the Khazar Khaganate for the information, and query whether they have any other non-Jewish persons inciting terror. We are not a discriminatory organization, and cannot assist with discriminatory policies.

They are all Jewish, by the way.

Order in the Executive Cabinet.
The Court has now approved three operations. Could the Cabinet please discuss the carrying out of these proposals. For a start, I suggest that all members be invited to participate in these operations. Once there appears to be motion towards an agreement, we may hold a vote on the proceedings.

[The Grand World Order]

(EDIT: OOC: By the way, the combat mechs vote comes to better than 60 to 40, so you can't just say it's ridiculous.)

((OOC: Yes I can. The materials used to make a mech a feasible combat vehicle would be able to make a tank capable of utterly destroying them. The only reason "Yes" got votes was the Rule of Cool, which is a pretty crappy argument in non FanT or FT RP. In the thread we mathematically proved, as in, actually used formulas of mathematical physics, that mechs are incapable of being superior to a tank. It's like RPing that the world is flat, or that the sun revolves around Earth- there's still a significant portion of the RL population that believes one or both.))

To clarify, as we think we've said before, the government is being summoned to the Librarian and Ausitoria Court, which does not use sovereignty to claim jurisdiction, and the charges are levied under our Unwritten Constitution, which certainly pre-dates any actions committed within the last 400 years, although since you may be on a different time line from us, time is somewhat irrelevant - a point that we will note if we need to sentence you.

To clarify again, again as we think we've said before, we have summoned the entity known as the government, not individual people.

Official Communique of the Fascist Federation

Your courts hold no jurisdiction or authority whatsoever over the territories we have operated in. That's why those territories were not yours. You are imposing your laws on foreign nations, thus violating their sovereignty and providing for the whole world a casus belli while also completely contradicting this alliance's stated purpose of defending national sovereignty (halting unwarranted aggression against nations incapable of defending themselves.)

At this point, we've come to realize that your legal system is so backwards if it believes it can be levied against crimes committed in other nations with no effect on your own that we've decided that it is completely incompatible with the rest of the world. Your courts do not, nor will they ever, have any say in the goings-on of other nations.

Unless, of course, you invade them, which would be a little counter-productive to the stated goal of this alliance.

Good day. We'll be watching.

[Wisconsin7]

Mikhail Kozlov has been elected Judge by a 2-0 majority. The Autocratic Establishment of Syleruias has been elected as the Military Minister for the Anti-Nazi Alliance by a 2-0 majority.

Order in the Court.
There is a question to be decided: who has the right to pass sentences? I, in my capacity as Chief Justiciar, the Supreme Judge of Libraria and Ausitoria, am of the opinion that clearly the court, to fulfil the criteria laid out by convention, must be in the position to bring persons to trial. Could other Judges please indicate whether this is their opinion also, or to the contrary.

We thank the Khazar Khaganate for the information, and query whether they have any other non-Jewish persons inciting terror. We are not a discriminatory organization, and cannot assist with discriminatory policies.

They are all Jewish, by the way.

Order in the Executive Cabinet.
The Court has now approved three operations. Could the Cabinet please discuss the carrying out of these proposals. For a start, I suggest that all members be invited to participate in these operations. Once there appears to be motion towards an agreement, we may hold a vote on the proceedings.

It is the belief of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the CSW that for the alliance to function then the court must have the ability to prosecute those suspected of crimes based on race, religion, gender, or any other basing on ancestry or belief.

[Scarsaw]

Federation of Scarsaw

The Federation of Scarsaw are appalled at the warmongering and hateful ways of this Anti-Nazi Alliance. Like many before it, its only purpose is to serve as an attempt to make a witch-hunt for those who simple hold different ideals and morals. We stand beside the Fascist Federation of the Grand World Order and offer our resources to their aid if needed. In addition, we offer immediate refuge and protection to any being sought by the Anti-Nazi Alliance until they can be better relocated depending on their situation.

We ask the ANA not to push us into war over this issue as we always desire a peaceful solution; however, if you desire blood so badly, we shall ensure your lands become saturated with it.

Sincerely
Nicholas Rowansburg
Supreme Chancellor of the Federation

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Order in the Court.
There is a question to be decided: who has the right to pass sentences? I, in my capacity as Chief Justiciar, the Supreme Judge of Libraria and Ausitoria, am of the opinion that clearly the court, to fulfil the criteria laid out by convention, must be in the position to bring persons to trial. Could other Judges please indicate whether this is their opinion also, or to the contrary.
It is the belief of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the CSW that for the alliance to function then the court must have the ability to prosecute those suspected of crimes based on race, religion, gender, or any other basing on ancestry or belief.

This position is hereby adopted, 2-0.

We query the Federation of Scarsaw on how they believe the Anti-Nazi Alliance is a warmongering and hateful alliance, given its intent to stop Genocide; and our happiness with Fascism that does not extend to genocide.

As the Supreme Court of Libraria and Ausitoria, may we note to the Fascist Federation that the Jurisdiction of our courts is for our courts to decide, and we do not interfere in other nations' sovereignty.

[The Grand World Order]

As the Supreme Court of Libraria and Ausitoria, may we note to the Fascist Federation that the Jurisdiction of our courts is for our courts to decide, and we do not interfere in other nations' sovereignty.

Official Communique of the Fascist Federation

Applying your nation's laws to territories outside of your own nation is almost the very definition of violating another nation's sovereignty.

The simple fact of the matter is that, no matter how loud your courts shout to the contrary, you also will not be able to enforce said laws. All you can do is claim that we are covered by your laws, which we aren't. If you suggest otherwise, you will be directly challenging the Internal Control Department's imperium, otherwise known as its right to rule and establish laws over the lands within the Federation's borders.

This, by the way, is also known as disputing our sovereignty.

[Wellboneland]

I would like to bring this nazi, Jerell Skhulljher, for crimes against Saipeint Equines and Markarthians.
His country is the GWO

[The Grand World Order]

I would like to bring this nazi, Jerell Skhulljher, for crimes against Saipeint Equines and Markarthians.
His country is the GWO

Official Communique of the Fascist Federation

If Mr. Skhulljher is removed from our nation, there will be hell to pay. We don't take kindly to foreigners abducting our citizens from their homes, and considering that your nation is a filthy Communist state, we're already feeling rather indignant towards your leadership.

Additionally, multiple agricultural organizations are considering opening factory farms specifically for this "Equines sapiens" species that seems to have come up, seeing as horses and similar animals are extremely rich in protein. We presume that you're going to put all the farming companies in the GWO on your abduction list as well?

[Wellboneland]

Mr. Skhulljher emigrated to this country and killed 407 people in a failed coup.

[The Grand World Order]

Mr. Skhulljher emigrated to this country and killed 407 people in a failed coup.

Official Communique of the Fascist Alliance

Then do not say, "His country is the GWO." State that he relocated from our nation to yours. He had no association with our nation other than being born here and presumably once being a citizen, which is irrelevant.

Seeing as he violated your laws on your soil, we frankly do not care about what becomes of him in this case.

[Greater-Prussia]

Communique of the Prussian Republic

Concerning: The 'Anti-Nazi Alliance'
Subject: etc.

It is the sincere hope of the Prussian Republic that this alliance does not bother with kangaroo courts; and rather just does the world a favor and executes the subhumans that affiliate themselves with the failed ideology of the Traitors. After all we see no point in wasting the time of just people in the righteous persecution of the animalistic.

Sincerely,
Fredrick Horst - Minister of Foreign Affairs

Yeah I didn't have the energy for anything better.

[The Grand World Order]

Communique of the Prussian Republic

Concerning: The 'Anti-Nazi Alliance'
Subject: etc.

It is the sincere hope of the Prussian Republic that this alliance does not bother with kangaroo courts; and rather just does the world a favor and executes the subhumans that affiliate themselves with the failed ideology of the Traitors. After all we see no point in wasting the time of just people in the righteous persecution of the animalistic.

Sincerely,
Fredrick Horst - Minister of Foreign Affairs

Yeah I didn't have the energy for anything better.

Official Communique of the Fascist Federation

Yes, they should do that so that we may have even more justification in invading their nations and exterminating their governments.

Watch what you say. That sort of talk will get a Federal Marine's boot crushing your windpipe while the last thing you see is your nation burning.

[Greater-Prussia]

Communique of the Prussian Republic

Concerning: The Grand World Order
Subject: etc.

We find your support of extermination disturbing for such an otherwise enlightened nation. Perhaps we should point you to the Wilhelm Doctrine; Prussia's standing Declaration of War against National Socialists; it is nothing more than pest control; proper Fascists such as yourselves shouldn't be decrying us so much as you should be helping us.

Sincerely,
Fredrick Horst - Minister of Foreign Affairs

[The Grand World Order]

Communique of the Prussian Republic

Concerning: The Grand World Order
Subject: etc.

We find your support of extermination disturbing for such an otherwise enlightened nation. Perhaps we should point you to the Wilhelm Doctrine; Prussia's standing Declaration of War against National Socialists; it is nothing more than pest control; proper Fascists such as yourselves shouldn't be decrying us so much as you should be helping us.

Sincerely,
Fredrick Horst - Minister of Foreign Affairs

Official Communique of the Fascist Federation

It was our misconception that you were supporting the ANA, who has shown signs of utter ideological ignorance and hardly acknowledges any sort of difference between Fascism and National Socialism. Carry on.

[Scarsaw]

We query the Federation of Scarsaw on how they believe the Anti-Nazi Alliance is a warmongering and hateful alliance, given its intent to stop Genocide; and our happiness with Fascism that does not extend to genocide.

As the Supreme Court of Libraria and Ausitoria, may we note to the Fascist Federation that the Jurisdiction of our courts is for our courts to decide, and we do not interfere in other nations' sovereignty.

Any association or group named "anti-group" is looking for a fight, and often are actively seeking out war against the said noun. For example, you would call me warmongering looking for a fight if I said the "anti-black" or the "anti-democratic" and was looking to persecute said group? You're intent was to just stop genocide, like you claim, than why not call your group "those against genocide" or something similar? In addition, the Federation would like to remind the Supreme Court of Libraria and Ausitoria that genocide can occur within any political system, not just Nazism. Hence, we can only presume that you have named your alliance the "anti-nazi" in a warmongering attempt to attack and condemn those with a Nazi government.

[New Babylonia]

((OOC: Even in PMT and FT, combat mechs are ridiculous... this thread is not for that, however. As for aerial battleships, etc... I thought you were claiming to be PMT, not World War One era; the concept of massive, fragile (out of necessity; that is the required, non-negotiable nature of aerial vehicles) ordnance magnets is terrible for any remotely symmetrical warfare. Forcing higher tech levels on a lower tech RPer is also defined, not by me, but by both the moderators and community consensus, as godmoding, though the way you RP it, I'd say that an MTer who knows what they're doing would have a significant chance against you. I've seen WWI-tech nations beat PMT simply based on competence and roleplaying knowhow.))

You fool...

They are not airships, common sense ought to tell you that much. They are quite literally massive flying pieces of metal, the smallest have armor 5 feet thick. And i am forcing it upon no one, they are threatening to attack me, and as you semm not to know, the defender is actually the one who is to dictate the tech level, not the attacking OP. And i don't think MT has much of anything that can through 5 feet of armor, sure a nuke, but these have SDI to.

[The Grand World Order]

You fool...

They are not airships, common sense ought to tell you that much. They are quite literally massive flying pieces of metal, the smallest have armor 5 feet thick. And i am forcing it upon no one, they are threatening to attack me, and as you semm not to know, the defender is actually the one who is to dictate the tech level, not the attacking OP. And i don't think MT has much of anything that can through 5 feet of armor, sure a nuke, but these have SDI to.

((OOC: So, in other words, they're not airships, they're physical impossibilities, unless you made them of Fapium or Handwavium. Good to know. BTW, SDI stands for "Strategic Defense Initiative," which is a nationwide air and missile defense system of multiple technologies and networks cooperating; over half of it was politics, anyways. A single ship is not a strategic level unit, therefore by definition can't have a SDI. I suppose a better term would be "Tactical Defense Initiative," but that's a really, really vague name.

Additionally, if you choose to interact with an MT nation or organization, you are agreeing to be MT unless OOC arrangements are made beforehand. It also should be known that, since Jennifer Government, the book NS was made for, is MT, therefore MT is widely accepted as the tech level that unmarked threads default to.))

[Wellboneland]

Mr. Skhulljher emigrated to this country and killed 407 people in a failed coup.

Official Communique of the Fascist Alliance

Then do not say, "His country is the GWO." State that he relocated from our nation to yours. He had no association with our nation other than being born here and presumably once being a citizen, which is irrelevant.

Seeing as he violated your laws on your soil, we frankly do not care about what becomes of him in this case.

Take responsibility, you fascist scum.

[The Grand World Order]

Take responsibility, you fascist scum.

Official Communique of the Fascist Federation

Responsibility for what? He left our borders with his own intentions and plans.

If you wish to play that game, we could look into just how many Confederates on the Killed or Captured List are from your country, seeing as you share an ideology and more than a few Confederate "freedom fighters" are foreigners. Skhulljher may have killed 407 people, but the Confederates have killed over 46 million over a span of 35 years and continue to kill more. If you're going to hold us responsible for Skhulljher's coup, then we're going to hold you responsible for the GWO Civil War, which, by the way, is ongoing and could very well classify your nation as belligerent.

[Wellboneland]

Take responsibility, you fascist scum.

Official Communique of the Fascist Federation

Responsibility for what? He left our borders with his own intentions and plans.

If you wish to play that game, we could look into just how many Confederates on the Killed or Captured List are from your country, seeing as you share an ideology and more than a few Confederate "freedom fighters" are foreigners. Skhulljher may have killed 407 people, but the Confederates have killed over 46 million over a span of 35 years and continue to kill more. If you're going to hold us responsible for Skhulljher's coup, then we're going to hold you responsible for the GWO Civil War, which, by the way, is ongoing and could very well classify your nation as belligerent.

So be it, check your database.

[Nazis in Space]

Welcome to the ANA (Anti Nazi Alliance)!

We are an Anti Nazi group that wishes to see the end of the atrocious Nazi crimes: Genocide, Inciting Terror, and endangering lives without reason; which we aim to achieve by issuing warrants against people who commit these crimes. We also have the power to conduct operations to bring them to our Justice. The methods of achieving this are outlined in our Charter below.

Note that this is not a Nazi hate group, but rather a Genocide, Terrorist, and Needlessly-endangering-lives dislike group.

Aren't the underlined statements mutually exclusive?

~ Mecha-Hitler, Führer of the Nazi Moon Base, Protector of the Space Aryans & Honourary Member of the Nazi Robot Symposium

[United World Order]

OFFICAL DELCARATION OF CORESPONDENCE FROM THE GREAT LEADER OF THE FATHERLAND


What is this bickering i hear about a "Anti-Nazi" alliance. Im pretty sure the alliance name is because your scared of calling out the fascist that roam the world such as myself. This alliance agaisnt "Nazi's" which is a term that was to mock National Socialists should not be used so loosely. The Fascist Union of Uniteda is well prepared to take on any threat comming from this foolish disgrace of an alliance who probably won't acomplish anything. Your all ripe for the picking. I hope you haven't angered The Grand World Order enough that they've decided to take over your pitifull countries. Lets hope not. Let this be a warning to any who dare try and attack or slander the Grand Fascist Union which holds it's name proud and it's flag high. Beware... Were watching.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Welcome to the ANA (Anti Nazi Alliance)!

We are an Anti Nazi group that wishes to see the end of the atrocious Nazi crimes: Genocide, Inciting Terror, and endangering lives without reason; which we aim to achieve by issuing warrants against people who commit these crimes. We also have the power to conduct operations to bring them to our Justice. The methods of achieving this are outlined in our Charter below.

Note that this is not a Nazi hate group, but rather a Genocide, Terrorist, and Needlessly-endangering-lives dislike group.

Aren't the underlined statements mutually exclusive?

No. But if they seem to you to be mutually exclusive, please treat the last statement as accurate, it simplifies things.

Take responsibility, you fascist scum.

Please carry your insults elsewhere, they have no place in this topic.

I would like to bring this nazi, Jerell Skhulljher, for crimes against Saipeint Equines and Markarthians.
His country is the GWO

The struck information might be irrelevant.
Order in Court: We move to approve an operation to capture this criminal.

As the Supreme Court of Libraria and Ausitoria, may we note to the Fascist Federation that the Jurisdiction of our courts is for our courts to decide, and we do not interfere in other nations' sovereignty.

Applying your nation's laws to territories outside of your own nation is almost the very definition of violating another nation's sovereignty.

The simple fact of the matter is that, no matter how loud your courts shout to the contrary, you also will not be able to enforce said laws. All you can do is claim that we are covered by your laws, which we aren't. If you suggest otherwise, you will be directly challenging the Internal Control Department's imperium, otherwise known as its right to rule and establish laws over the lands within the Federation's borders.

This, by the way, is also known as disputing our sovereignty.

To clarify, the laws being applied are not ours: they are natural. We would not be interfering with your sovereignty, only questioning it. If your nation has for instance acted contrary to natural limitations placed on sovereign states, clearly your nation can not be sovereign, or there would be a contradiction. At any rate, you are not required to attend the court proceedings for the courts to make preliminary decisions. The Supreme Court has asked itself the question "Is there any fairly significant evidence to suggest that this nation may have forsaken its sovereignty", and we will communicate their answer later.

[THE NEW NEWLY UNITED STATES]

OOC: sry for not being active in the alliance whats going on? (im tired and I wont read all 4 pages I might tomorrow) can somebody tell me whats the important parts going on?

[The Grand World Order]

To clarify, the laws being applied are not ours: they are natural. We would not be interfering with your sovereignty, only questioning it. If your nation has for instance acted contrary to natural limitations placed on sovereign states, clearly your nation can not be sovereign, or there would be a contradiction. At any rate, you are not required to attend the court proceedings for the courts to make preliminary decisions. The Supreme Court has asked itself the question "Is there any fairly significant evidence to suggest that this nation may have forsaken its sovereignty", and we will communicate their answer later.

Official Communique of the Fascist Federation

Natural as determined by who? Did God Himself come down and tell you specifically in person or writing that we may not invade other nations? If so, then we bring into question why His Holy Light didn't incinerate you.

There are no "natural" laws. All laws are culture-based. What you consider a natural law, some cultures may have never heard of or considered.