The Right-to-Life Alliance (IC)

[New Babylonia]

You fool...

They are not airships, common sense ought to tell you that much. They are quite literally massive flying pieces of metal, the smallest have armor 5 feet thick. And i am forcing it upon no one, they are threatening to attack me, and as you semm not to know, the defender is actually the one who is to dictate the tech level, not the attacking OP. And i don't think MT has much of anything that can through 5 feet of armor, sure a nuke, but these have SDI to.

((OOC: So, in other words, they're not airships, they're physical impossibilities, unless you made them of Fapium or Handwavium. Good to know. BTW, SDI stands for "Strategic Defense Initiative," which is a nationwide air and missile defense system of multiple technologies and networks cooperating; over half of it was politics, anyways. A single ship is not a strategic level unit, therefore by definition can't have a SDI. I suppose a better term would be "Tactical Defense Initiative," but that's a really, really vague name.

Additionally, if you choose to interact with an MT nation or organization, you are agreeing to be MT unless OOC arrangements are made beforehand. It also should be known that, since Jennifer Government, the book NS was made for, is MT, therefore MT is widely accepted as the tech level that unmarked threads default to.))

I enjoy how some people decide they are all-knowing. A physical impossibility now,definitely. Say, 100 years in the future, who knows? Now since your attempts to control everything i, and some others say and do and this really turning into spam now, i am going to waste my time else where, hopefully where my shortcomings in aggression and anger-management are not pushed further.

EDIT: Your also the only one who complains about it, maybe that's because PMT-FT is in the future, and we do not know what we'll be capable of. So, it is up to interpretation, this is how i interpreted the era i chose, like it or not.

[Scarsaw]

I enjoy how some people decide they are all-knowing. A physical impossibility now,definitely. Say, 100 years in the future, who knows? Now since your attempts to control everything i, and some others say and do and this really turning into spam now, i am going to waste my time else where, hopefully where my shortcomings in aggression and anger-management are not pushed further.

EDIT: Your also the only one who complains about it, maybe that's because PMT-FT is in the future, and we do not know what we'll be capable of. So, it is up to interpretation, this is how i interpreted the era i chose, like it or not.

((OOC: to be honest, I think that GWO is correct in this matter and that your equipment is practically impossible, even for FT. Physically it doesn't see possible or practical. Also, it's usually presumed we're in MT unless specified))

[The Grand World Order]

I enjoy how some people decide they are all-knowing. A physical impossibility now,definitely. Say, 100 years in the future, who knows? Now since your attempts to control everything i, and some others say and do and this really turning into spam now, i am going to waste my time else where, hopefully where my shortcomings in aggression and anger-management are not pushed further.

((OOC: Meanwhile, while these things are being swatted out of the sky like flies by the anti-aircraft technology that's also been evolving, thus costing the militaries foolish enough to build them billions of dollars, supersonic fighter jets are still the proper way to go.

If something is in the air, it's going to easily be brought down by something. Sure, you can say "oh well we have new materials to make the armor out of!" but can you efficiently mine it? Additionally, no matter what it is, a target that huge over land is just asking to get wrecked by DU shells, and SPGs and tanks will become more potent than attack submarines are to aircraft carriers on the scale of orders of magnitude.

As for me being the "only one complaining about it," people like you have driven literally hundreds of good RPers to Statesmanship.co.uk because they're sick of being the only ones with standards.

I'm not "trying to control everything," and people like Great Valencia/Urceo-Carthage and Hayaba always say that. I'm just saying that if you want to be taken with an iota of seriousness, airships in symmetrical warfare are a silly idea.

Then again, FT is known for half the universe being made of Fapium, so I digress. Just keep it out of MT.))

[Ravineworld]

I'd like to join.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

OOC: sry for not being active in the alliance whats going on? (im tired and I wont read all 4 pages I might tomorrow) can somebody tell me whats the important parts going on?

OOC: Three operations have been approved, the Judiciary has ruled that they have the sole power to try, the Executive Cabinet is inactive, and most people are having trouble seeing past the word 'Nazi' in the title, which leads me to wonder about changing this.

IC:

I'd like to join.

As per convention, you are accepted.

To clarify, the laws being applied are not ours: they are natural. We would not be interfering with your sovereignty, only questioning it. If your nation has for instance acted contrary to natural limitations placed on sovereign states, clearly your nation can not be sovereign, or there would be a contradiction. At any rate, you are not required to attend the court proceedings for the courts to make preliminary decisions. The Supreme Court has asked itself the question "Is there any fairly significant evidence to suggest that this nation may have forsaken its sovereignty", and we will communicate their answer later.

[b][align=center]Natural as determined by who? Did God Himself come down and tell you specifically in person or writing that we may not invade other nations? If so, then we bring into question why His Holy Light didn't incinerate you.

Naturally required to achieve advancement of everyone, as in property rights.

OOC: Could you please take your discussion of FT/MT to somewhere else? Unless you're actually going to fight a war over the ANA, any further discussion is somewhat pointless.

[Scarsaw]

OOC: Three operations have been approved, the Judiciary has ruled that they have the sole power to try, the Executive Cabinet is inactive, and most people are having trouble seeing past the word 'Nazi' in the title, which leads me to wonder about changing this.

OOC: I can tell you that if you can convince the Federation that this is not another witch-like Nazi hunt and change the title to be less against attacking a group and more about trying to prevent genocide, then the Federation would be satisfied. Just titles are important as think of the flack I would get if I made an "anti-black alliance" and said that we were not against Black people but against he genocides in Rwanda and Darfur. No matter what my intentions were, the fact that I would call myself "anti-black" makes it sounds like I am singling out and attacking a single group.

[Sir Satilisu]

Official Response of the Fascist Federation of the
Grand World Order

We find it humorous that the "Anti-Nazi Alliance" calls itself such, yet its definition of "Nazi crimes" are completely bogus and display their utter lack of knowledge as to what Nazism is. "Genocide, inciting terror," and "going round annexing small nations for no reason" are characteristics of every major government framework, be it Fascist, Nazi, Democratic, or Communist.

It appears to us that the ANA (which shares initials with an equally dubious organization) is purely a way to give the founding nation the weight to enforce its ideals on other nations, which in turn is not something we can stand for. Nations must act to secure their own interests, otherwise they die. Forcing them to conform to your culture's mores and values while claiming to be operating in the name of "justice" is utterly sickening. At least we admit that we invade Communist and Socialist nations for the sole reason that they're CommuSocialist.

And no, we're not Nazis. We're Fascists. There's differences.


Viva Fascismo!

you've been doing this for years bro

gwo never change

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

After consideration, we believe that the ANA is in need of a new direction. Rather than being against some Nazis and titled the Anti-Nazi Alliance, as we evidently are, which may extend to being against a whole ideology of economic liberalism; we believe that we should specifically become an alliance dedicated to defending the Right to Life, an Anti-Genocide and Anti-Terrorism Alliance. Therefore we move that the Charter be reinstated with amendments made, with the result as follows:

Whereas violent radicals are undesirable,
Wishing to bring such radicals to justice,
Determined to end Genocide and Terrorism, and
Determined to protect the Right of People to Live,

The Right-to-Life Alliance (hereafter RLA) agrees as follows:

Section 1: The RLA Rules
Article 1: The RLA and RLA members are hereby empowered and encouraged to defend the Right to Life anywhere and everywhere, unless there is just cause to suspend it, .
Article 2: No RLA member is permitted to withhold the Right to Life, unless there is just cause to suspend it.
Article 3: A cause is just, for the purpose of this Charter, if:
(a) It ensures that other Rights, including the Right to Life of others, The Right to Property, Freedom of Speech, and Freedom of Opinion of opinion are not imminently threatened; and
(b) No other amount of force would reasonably suffice to defend these other rights.
Section 2: The RLA Court

Article 1: The RLA Court shall consist of Judges who shall be appointed at a general meeting for a term of one year at a time.
Article 2: A Judge may be nominated by his or her country for appointment as one of the Judges of the ANA, and if there is a majority of the membership in favour of the appointment of this Judge, he shall be appointed; and if there is not, he shall be rejected.
Article 3: A Judge may be removed by three quarters of the membership.
Article 4: The Chief Justiciar shall oversee the proceedings of the RLA Court, and Deputy(s) may be elected to assist; and they shall be themselves Judges.
Article 5: The Judges may replace the Chief Justiciar and Deputy(s) at their pleasure.
Article 6: The Judges shall have the sole power to issue warrants and order RLA operations to achieve the aims laid out in Section 1, to interpret this document, order proceedings related to legislation on this document or in accordance with it, and try persons who have committed criminal offences against the Right to Life without Just Cause as defined in Section 1.
Article 7: Judges may be impeached by the following proceedings.
a) Any Judge may be impeached for wrongdoing or incompetence by the General Membership, with each member nation being granted one vote.
b) Any nation may move impeachment proceedings.
c) If two thirds of the member nations find a Judge incompetent, that person shall be required to resign and not hold that position for the following month; unless specifically permitted within the impeachment proceedings.

Section 3: The Executive Cabinet

Article 1: The Executive Cabinet shall be composed of a President, the Chief Justiciar, and any other Ministers appointed by future legislation, who will be in charge of directing, financing and carrying out RLA operations.
Article 2: The Executive Cabinet shall divide up its responsibilities and order its own proceedings as as it sees fit.
Article 3: The Executive Cabinet shall be appointed, elected, or replaced as defined by future legislation.
Article 4: Members of the Executive Cabinet may be impeached by the following proceedings.
a) Any member may be impeached for wrongdoing or incompetence by the General Membership, with each member nation being granted one vote.
b) Any nation may move impeachment proceedings.
c) If two thirds of the member nations find a member of the Executive Cabinet incompetent, that person shall be required to resign and not hold that position for the following month; unless specifically permitted within the impeachment proceedings.

Section 4: Legislative Proceedings

Article 1: Any Member nation may propose legislative motions at any point to amend this charter or introduce new legislation in accordance with it.
Article 2: Any such motions will be voted on over the following 72 hours, or until an absolute majority is in favour of the motion.
Article 3: If the motion is supported by a majority, it will become, like this charter, legally binding.

The voting will take place over the following 72 hours or until an absolute majority is in favour of the motion.

We will be happy to discuss this further with members, and may withdraw our motions if there are flaws.

[The Ultimate Evil]

Nation Name: The Ultimate Evil
Nation leader: His Evilness the Lord Graham I.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

"As per the rules, I believe you are accepted."

[Glasgia]

Nation Name: Glasgia
Nation leader: President Rob Wands

We hope to be able to join our allies in this great quest for freedom. We would, however, like to see a change in the title. Anti-nazi could mean being against any supporters of a stratified economy or anti-marxists. We therefore propose the name Anti-Genocidial Alliance, until a better idea comes along.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

As per convention, you are accepted.

We have proposed the title 'The Right to Life Alliance', and would be interested in your views.

[Glasgia]

As per convention, you are accepted.

We have proposed the title 'The Right to Life Alliance', and would be interested in your views.

I agree with that title and hope others do too.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

May we record that as a formal vote (aye)?

[Glasgia]

May we record that as a formal vote (aye)?

Glasgia votes FOR the name change from Anti-Nazi Alliance to the Right to Life Alliance

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Motions have passed 1-0.

The position of President is up for election.

[Monserico]

We condemn the existence of this so-called Right-to-Life Alliance, whose mission interferes with the rights of people to be involved in genocides and endanger lives for the sake of peace and security. We from Monserico hereby grant the right of asylum for everyone accused of the so-called "human rights violations" in their quest to establish peace and security in this world.

We hereby demand for the dissolution of the Right-to-Life Alliance, which only creates an obstruction of world peace and security.

Sincerely yours,
The God-King Caligula
The Theocracy of Monserico

[New Babylonia]

Good...now we don't look like hypocrites.

[Glasgia]

We condemn the existence of this so-called Right-to-Life Alliance, whose mission interferes with the rights of people to be involved in genocides and endanger lives for the sake of peace and security. We from Monserico hereby grant the right of asylum for everyone accused of the so-called "human rights violations" in their quest to establish peace and security in this world.

We hereby demand for the dissolution of the Right-to-Life Alliance, which only creates an obstruction of world peace and security.

Sincerely yours,
The God-King Caligula
The Theocracy of Monserico

In a world that is truly peaceful and truly secure, people would have no right to genocide as you have described it. Surely this "right to be involved in genocides" inteferes with the right to life. To allow everybody to enjoy this right to life, others who intend to withold from respecting others right to life must be tried and then dealt with. The RLA deals with high profile cases, like those who have led genocides or other atrocious crimes. We hope your case against us remains passive or, bettering that, non-existent. If you attempt to stop any human rights criminal from being tried and sentenced, Glasgia, at least, will react with full force, if not the entire RLA. Your nation is quite tight on civil rights anyway and we could add that toother reasons to invade. In a war, your entire population would be dwarfed by the Glaswegian military. I'd advise you not to interfere with the RLA's operations and to mind your own business in future. Your pretences of peace and security are false, like the way you brand the re-homing of criminals under the same words. Leave us alone, disgrace.


Rob Wands,
President of Glasgia

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Note of order: Lord Jonathan Whitt-lag will henceforth represent our government's operations as Chief Justiciar.

Order in the Cabinet:
These are the presently approved operations of the RLA.

An operation to capture and bring to justice Jerell Skhulljher

for crimes against Saipeint Equines and Markarthians.

An ANA operation to assist [the Khazar Khaganate] is approved.

Very good. So here are the names of religious extremists who are currently hiding in the steppes of the Khaganate:

Rabbi Schlomo Goldberg, leader of the underground fighting group "Kill the Goyim"
Adam Rothstein, wanted for raiding a humanitarian aid flotilla in the Khaganate's territorial waters
Chaim Goldenblatt, a wealthy banker who finances terrorist groups in the Khaganate
Rabbi Benyamin Wolfowitz, quoted preaching: "The Gentiles are not humans. They are beasts. A pregnant Gentile is no better than a pregnant animal."
Jeremy Weinberger, wanted for poisoning several wells in the Khaganate's countryside
Ruben Lazarus, tried to campaign for building colonial settlements in ethnic minorities' land
Isaac Leibowitz, a corrupt politician who was exposed as a lobbyist for a foreign country

To capture Adolfsson Eichmann:

He has bombed several synagogues and community centres belonging to our Jewish community.

We hereby issue a warrant against Adolfsson Eichmann on suspicion of incited terrorist activities and attempted genocide, and approve an operation to capture him. The details of this operation will shortly be decided by the Executive Cabinet.

The Chief Justiciar [has] issue[d] an arrest warrant against the executive of any such German Lunar Reich, and approve[d] an [RLA] operation to bring those planning genocide to justice.

The nation of Aroukar, requires the aid of your association and members, in defeating the modern descendants of Nazi Germany.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=162094

Please reply with answer as soon as possible; time is of the essence.

We would like to undertake an inventory of RLA forces available for the purposes of these operations.

Libraria and Ausitoria may lend a small aircraft carrier and surface fleet.

Order in Court:
The Trial of Federich Zim:
Defence has been withheld. The prosecution has stated:

The evidence:
In Fredrich Zims house we found 5 pipe bombs,disturbing literature, and a conffesion note of the Nivish bombing. There were 217 people, 4 killed by a pipe bomb.

4 murders - 2 Death sentences
214 Attempted Murders- 1,213 years in jail
Bombing 34 years in jail
Position of 5 bombs- 30 years in jail
Treson- 1 death sentence

Witnesses are requested.

[Northern Bavungria]

sorry to jump up and be so oblivious to the situation at hand but are we only allowed to operate agaisnt people if the nation they reside in allows us to? Also if we do convict people were will imprison them

[Glasgia]

Glasgia anounces the creation of the Glaswegian RLA Commandos. After a selection proccess within the Glaswegian Special Operations, in which 500 were recomended, 447 agreed and 200 were chosen, 5 units were created. 4 of these units, consisting of 45 soldiers each, are Capture Specialists. They will assist in capturing terrorists and other humanitarian criminals. The other unit is an assassination unit and consists of 20 agents. This unit will be used in operations in which the target has lost their right to life and must be stopped any any cost to save that of others. Enclosed is a picture of the new Commandos in training and their official badge.

Rob Wands, James Watt and Micheal Naesmith,
President of Glasgia, Military HoD and Glaswegian RLA Delegate

An operation to capture and bring to justice Jerell Skhulljher

for crimes against Saipeint Equines and Markarthians.

Glasgia would like to know the extent of these "crimes against Sapient Equines and Markarthians before commting to this operation.

An operation to capture and bring to justice Jerell Skhulljher

for crimes against Saipeint Equines and Markarthians.

Very good. So here are the names of religious extremists who are currently hiding in the steppes of the Khaganate:

Rabbi Schlomo Goldberg, leader of the underground fighting group "Kill the Goyim"
Adam Rothstein, wanted for raiding a humanitarian aid flotilla in the Khaganate's territorial waters
Chaim Goldenblatt, a wealthy banker who finances terrorist groups in the Khaganate
Rabbi Benyamin Wolfowitz, quoted preaching: "The Gentiles are not humans. They are beasts. A pregnant Gentile is no better than a pregnant animal."
Jeremy Weinberger, wanted for poisoning several wells in the Khaganate's countryside
Ruben Lazarus, tried to campaign for building colonial settlements in ethnic minorities' land
Isaac Leibowitz, a corrupt politician who was exposed as a lobbyist for a foreign country

Glasgia will send in the 1st and 2nd capture units of the RLA Commandos. If you feel that any of these members have lost their right to life, we would find it easier to send in an assassination squad, with the permission of the LRA of course.

To capture Adolfsson Eichmann:
[spoiler=communications on the subject]

We would like to undertake an inventory of RLA forces available for the purposes of these operations.

Libraria and Ausitoria may lend a small aircraft carrier and surface fleet.

[Glasgia]

bump

[New Abooutland]

Nation Name: The Federation Of New Abooutland
Nation leader: Leader Commander Fanuu Baski
Do you abide by the requirements of the Charter: Yes
Will you uphold the Charter: Yes

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

This alliance needs some rebooting if it's ever going to function.

So.

1. We hereby move that all existent legislation not within the charter be repealed.

2. We move that the Executive Cabinet be appointed by vote, with each member state receiving one vote.

3. We move that the Chief Justiciar be required to oversee the legislative process, and appoint deputies to provide assistance.

Nation Name: The Federation Of New Abooutland
Nation leader: Leader Commander Fanuu Baski
Do you abide by the requirements of the Charter: Yes
Will you uphold the Charter: Yes

OOC: You are accepted.