Lost Age OCC Discussion Thread [Former Ceaden Thread]

[Ceaden]

Alright, This old boy has to lead a formation in PT tomorrow so I'm hitting the hay. Good night world!

[Paddy O Fernature]

Ok... so here is the quick rundown of what I would like to upgrade. I will not add these to the map yet, as I would like this to be checked for accuracy as I am still learning the math curve here.

Starting Resources:

# of Stone: 1312.5
# of Iron: 2100
# of Steel: 0
# of Carbon: 420
# of Wood: 16800
# of Gold: 262.5
# of Silver: 420
# of Oils: 3150
5,000,000 Credits

UPGRADES:
* Mine: 3,000 Wood , 500,000 credits
* Mine: 3,000 Wood , 500,000 credits
-+2% regeneration of starting Stone, Iron, Carbon, Gold, and Silver ever game year-
(Total: 6k Wood, 1m Credits)

* Small Wooden Walled Settlement: 100 Wood, 200,000 credits
* Small Wooden Walled Settlement: 100 Wood, 200,000 credits
(Total: 200 Wood, 400,000 Credits)

* Small Stone Walled Settlement: 100 Stone, 300,000 credits
(Total: 100 Stone, 300k Credits)

* Stone Roads: Enough To connect everything
(Total: TBD)

Resources used total atm:
* 6,200 Wood
* 100 Stone
* 1.7M Credits

Now, I have looked through the rule sets a couple of times, and I know I am missing it somehow, but what is VAL? Would like to throw some ports and markets in this mix, but can't cause I am unsure what VAL is and if I have enough lol.

[Tuthina]

Yeah deserts stand to do that to you. However idk if Wistval is still with us. So he may disappear and you may be able to expand into some better land. Make sure to post all of your economic info in the Ledger thread.

Eh, it's desert, so that is to be expected. I would love to expand into the desert that Wistval holds, though, so is it possible for you to ask if he is still around?

P.S. Just filled in the ledger. The military receive a big axe to balance the budget. I will post the military list later.

[Aelosia]

OK guys, I was checking through the forces declaration page and found some inconsistencies that need to be fixed or tweaked quite a bit, if you don't mind.

Let's check base creatures:

Humanoid (1):
Description: Standard two legged, two arms, one head creature.
EQU: None
SPE: 100 miles a day
VAL: 200 credits
PAY: 100 credit
STR: 1

This is the base creature. As you can see, the base numbers for creating troops/creatures is that you pay 200 credits right away, and you maintain 100 credits as upkeep for a unit that moves 100 miles a day, and gets 1 STR. Most of you who have human armies (Achesia included), have this template in good use.

You can, of course, try to get more powerful creatures by increments o the credits needed to pay and upkeep your units. For example, and I pick this one because I like it a lot:

Lamia (Creature?)
Description: Half-woman half-snake sentient predators that roams the desert for victims. Known to be swift and deadly.
EQU: None
SPE: 200 miles a day (desert terrain), 80 miles a day (other terrains)
FLY: N
VAL: 400
PAY: 200
STR: 1
MAG: 1

And that's from a new player. Tuthina had a great idea, a race of people with innate magical ability. He added MAG 1 to his basic unit for an increased cost. (I'd say you should crop your speed in deserts to 150 instead of 200, OR crop the "other terrains" speed to 60 in order to balance it a little bit more, but you had a great idea there). I will convince talk to Ceaden about raises giving the entire STR to 1 instead of .5, as math is eaiser and almost you guys have done so. for example, raising MAG to 1 would cost 2 cost increments and not just one.


Let's see another example, my own:

Fariselian Maethor (Elf Soldier):
Description: Standard line soldier in the Fariselian Guard. They are professional soldiers, having trained by centuries in the arts of war.
EQU: None
SPE: 110 miles a day
VAL: 450 credits
PAY: 225 credits
STR: 1.5

As you can see, the standard elf of Farisel have two increments. One brings his STR to .5+ to reflect its centuries long training, and the other (half an increment) trades for a mere 10 miles advantage in movement to represent the natural swiftness of the elves. The final unit is indeed costly. If you compare both, I am making an unbalanced pay for each Maethor in comparison to Tuthina's Lamias. However, if each increment brings strenght to 1+ instead of .5, the STR of the Maethor soldier would go up to 2 and both Lamias and Maethors would be balanced.

So far, so good, everything is balanced, right?

Then now comes the bad part, I have found these created creature templates a bit unbalanced:

1st example:

Bennor:

Human:
Description: Standard two legged, two arms, one headed creature.
EQU:
SPE: 100 miles a day
VAL: 200 credits
PAY: 100 credits
STR: 1

Tarean:
Description: Two legged, two arms, one headed creature, with blue or green skin, blunt or sharp spikes down the spine depending on gender, averages six foot eight and typically very muscular and fast. Lacks in numbers, nearly endangered race for the past millennium.
EQU:
SPE: 130 miles a day
VAL: 200 credits
PAY: 100 credits
STR: 2

Tareans have twice the strength of a normal human warrior, and move 30 miles more than the normal template, yet the value and pay remains the same? Why? This needs to be modified either to reduce the SPE and STR of the unit, or increase its cost.

Avalon:

Avalonian Fyrd (Human)
Description: Militia and Peasants conscripted to fight under the crown.
EQU: Avalon War Axe (+2 STR, -10 SPE), Wooden Shield (+1 STR, -10 SPE)
SPE: 80 miles a day
VAL: 200 credits
PAY: 50 credit
STR: 3
Resources needed: 2x Iron, 2x Wood

You just shot yourself in the foot here, lad. The natural born STR of your soldier is 0? +2 from the axe, +1 from the shield? And the final score is 3 STR? I know you reduced the pay, but what if reduce the pay to 50 for .5+ STR? Unbalanced by being underpowered. bring the total strenght of the fyrd to 3.5 and it is fine.

I am still checking economies right now, lots of work and number crunching. Achesia economy, as expected is perfectly done. I am afraid Fardoor might be in red numbers as we speak due to the upkeep of his military units. I will post more as I check.

[Aelosia]

Species Name: Grey Ganaloid

Family: Mammals

Technology Level: Grey Ganaloids use Mousterian tools, the tools neanderthals and humans used in europe around 50,000 years ago, stone or bone spears, axes, clubs, and the like.
Average Height: Five foot seven inches

Average Length: four foot one inch (not counting tail), tail makes eight feet, and thats not counting the six inch spike on the end of the tail.

Legs and arrangement: Grey Ganaloid have three legs, two at the front serving as the main form of movement, and one more at the base of the tail, serving to making running bounds and give massive jumps, the back leg has two sets of bones and is really two legs fused together, the third rear leg is kept off the ground when relaxed, walking, or just running with no leaps or bounds in the stride. The feet have eight toes, forming a circle that wraps around rocks, branches, and other materials in a solid grip that most of the time requires breaking bones to break.

Arms and Hands: Two arms come out of the side of the creature, just on top of the legs and end in six fingered hands (One finger on each hand is a thumb), on the end of the six fingers and eight toes are short, strong claws that while sharp, serve more for climbing, digging, and gripping than slashing and killing.

Speed: Relatively fast for something it's size, Grey Ganaloids run an average of forty-two miles-per-hour, and can go like this for an hour or two, this in thanks to it having three hearts and two pairs of longs, ensuring a constant supply of oxygen to the muscles and ensuring that none of the hearts overwork themselves.

Diet: The Long head of the Grey Ganaloid is filled with 64 teeth, twice that of your average human, and the front half are all for eating meat, being sharp and serrated, while the back teeth are for grinding plants and bones, making the Grey Ganaloid a Omnivore with a preference to meat.

Appearnce: The Grey Ganaloid is a mammal covered in short fur thats most commonly grey and sometimes brown, black, or white. The head is an odd arrangement containing six eyes, giving it 360 vision that includes the skies above it.

Numbers: Grey Ganaloids group together int ribes of 25-250 average, sometimes reaching 500 or more, and aren't nomadic, once they have a location, they stay there until they are forced to move. When hunting, they move out in groups of 3-20, at least one member has a spear, and one a bow, usually just a bendy branch with animal sinew strung across it, giving them limited but effective ranges.

Tail: The rail is 3'11" ending at the base of a boney spike, wich adds another six inches to the animals length, the tail is thing with small bones in it, making it fast and whiplike, while the protruding bone is a barbed spike, used to rip the throats off of prey and predators.

Jumping: Then the rear leg is used for jumping, it jumps 50 feet straight up and 40 feet straight, from a resting postion, giving them running bounds of 120 feet or more, the front legs absorbing the shock of impact, or pushing it on whatever they are attacking, knocking them over and breaking bones.

Life Span: 30-40 years, a childhood of about seven, raised in a "litter" of about three "Cubs", and born live, not laid in an egg.

Habitat: Grey Ganaloids are extremely adaptable, and have managed to move into most habitats. However, they are most commonly found on plains and Savannahs.[/spoiler]

Give them 2 STR increments from the main template, and one SPE increment and they are done. I guess they weapons can be made only with wood and stone, really cheap, but halving their benefits.

Just realized I shot myself in the foot with my population. I measured the coastline wrongly

[Aelosia]

Ok... so here is the quick rundown of what I would like to upgrade. I will not add these to the map yet, as I would like this to be checked for accuracy as I am still learning the math curve here.

Starting Resources:

# of Stone: 1312.5
# of Iron: 2100
# of Steel: 0
# of Carbon: 420
# of Wood: 16800
# of Gold: 262.5
# of Silver: 420
# of Oils: 3150
5,000,000 Credits

UPGRADES:
* Mine: 3,000 Wood , 500,000 credits
* Mine: 3,000 Wood , 500,000 credits
-+2% regeneration of starting Stone, Iron, Carbon, Gold, and Silver ever game year-
(Total: 6k Wood, 1m Credits)

* Small Wooden Walled Settlement: 100 Wood, 200,000 credits
* Small Wooden Walled Settlement: 100 Wood, 200,000 credits
(Total: 200 Wood, 400,000 Credits)

* Small Stone Walled Settlement: 100 Stone, 300,000 credits
(Total: 100 Stone, 300k Credits)

* Stone Roads: Enough To connect everything
(Total: TBD)

Resources used total atm:
* 6,200 Wood
* 100 Stone
* 1.7M Credits

Now, I have looked through the rule sets a couple of times, and I know I am missing it somehow, but what is VAL? Would like to throw some ports and markets in this mix, but can't cause I am unsure what VAL is and if I have enough lol.

OK, Tuthina is almost ready so I can help you and Mazarbul with what you need.

Wow, you did a great job, Pads, you quickly disposed of those numbers!

So far so good. What you need now, if you can, is to place squares in the map you chose for the mines, and stars on where you want your settlements. Do it in Pain, it is easier, Ceaden can edit the map later

VAL is what you pay to create military units in the first place, (means value). You pay VAL with credits. You started with 5 million credits and so far you have spent 1.7M on improvements, so you have 3,300,000 credits to spend on VAL of your military units. PAY instead represents the payment of your troops, and you pay that as upkeep and subtract the PAY total of your forces from your yearly budget.

Your population would be 100x100 sqm of territory= 10,000/4= 2,500 x 1.5 coastline= 3750

Now go into designing your military units of which you have 3,300,000 credits to spare and your remaining resources to buy equipment.

[Tuthina]

You can, of course, try to get more powerful creatures by increments o the credits needed to pay and upkeep your units. For example, and I pick this one because I like it a lot:

Lamia (Creature?)
Description: Half-woman half-snake sentient predators that roams the desert for victims. Known to be swift and deadly.
EQU: None
SPE: 200 miles a day (desert terrain), 80 miles a day (other terrains)
FLY: N
VAL: 400
PAY: 200
STR: 1
MAG: 1

And that's from a new player. Tuthina had a great idea, a race of people with innate magical ability. He added MAG 1 to his basic unit for an increased cost. (I'd say you should crop your speed in deserts to 150 instead of 200, OR crop the "other terrains" speed to 60 in order to balance it a little bit more, but you had a great idea there). I will convince talk to Ceaden about raises giving the entire STR to 1 instead of .5, as math is eaiser and almost you guys have done so. for example, raising MAG to 1 would cost 2 cost increments and not just one.

Thank you!
I think I will crop the speed on other terrains to 60 to maintain the high speed on desert (which is arguably its point). Eh, it's not like snakes are fast to begin with... okay, they are fast, but whatever. I think they will get tired moving on hard grounds anyway.

About the whole stat thing, I admit I am pretty bad on it, having to correct it several times to get the most basic ones done. Thank you for checking the whole things, it certainly requires a lot of works!

[Aelosia]

Caststar “Nation” Name: The Kingdom of Ever-night
Demonym: Its people are called Darkens or the men of Ever-night
Race: Humans
Languages: The Old Tongue and the Queens Speech
Religion: There are two main religious practices within Ever-night, the first follows the Deity called Night Father and the second follows the Summer Queen and this sort of practice comes from the founding of the Kingdom in centuries past. Both were ancient rulers that personified the two extremes of Ever-night, its long and brutal winters and its equal but short summer respites.
Government Type: Monarchy with an advisory High Council composed of various noble men.
Head of State: High King Belaric Stormbrow and his Wife Ferelda of the Shimmering Heights
Seat of Power: The City of the Weeping Chasm
Currency: The Even-Star
RL Fluency in English: I was born and raised in the United States with it but have been known to make a minor mistake or two in grammar and spelling but try to edit any such things out when spotted.
Example of previous RP: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=148553
RL Age: I do not feel terribly comfortable with giving out my age but suffice to say I am currently a junior in college and can consume alcoholic beverages legally.
Population: Until I get my land settled this is N/A
Military Size: Same with the population
Where you wish to place your land plot:I have no idea how to post my claim on here using paint and etc. so I would like to claim the thin, most northern part of land where currently Icu is, stretching from its tip down to the large river separating it from the mainland. But if it is too large then some piece of it would be fine.
Why you wish to join: I enjoy writing in the PT fantasy world though many of my former Rp experiences in the department never last very long. I am hoping that with the well thought out details and the fact that this is still running perhaps it will last long enough for me to justify putting the work into it and the faction I play.

Comment: Also I am terrible confused in regards to the resource system and wish for some help seeing as I applied just recently to Caststar and was told to come here now. Also I was wondering if the nation of Icu was still an active member and if so I would like to change my land claim so the mass of land jutting out to the left of Hjaalmarch.

Your population if you choose that peninsula north of Icu would be: 100x100/4= 2,500 x 3,5 (coastline 350)= 8750

Now you just need to design your improvements, as you already have your base resources.

[Marzarbul]

230+136+546+378+168+378+99+493+456+360+400=3644 Grey
378+18+170+204+184=954 Green
320+370+252+138+300=1380 Dark Tan
130+65+352+80+120+200=947 Light Tan

Here are my measuring stats as best as I could get them for my map, and the total does not come up to 10,000 squares but around 6925. I was wondering if I should try and eyeball which terrain should have more or something so that my numbers equal out to 10,000 or leave it at that.

[Achesia]

Yeah deserts stand to do that to you. However idk if Wistval is still with us. So he may disappear and you may be able to expand into some better land. Make sure to post all of your economic info in the Ledger thread.

Eh, it's desert, so that is to be expected. I would love to expand into the desert that Wistval holds, though, so is it possible for you to ask if he is still around?

P.S. Just filled in the ledger. The military receive a big axe to balance the budget. I will post the military list later.

-Edit focus map (given by staff) with improvements you wish to make on your land.
-Submit list of improvements with focus map (settlements, fortifications, roads, etc)
-Submit your GDP, PPC, and Tax Rate. Make sure to post in ledger
-Begin Intro RP
-Create Fact book
-Declare your military on the Forces Declaration page, with complete stats of all units.
-Complete Intro RP.

[Achesia]

230+136+546+378+168+378+99+493+456+360+400=3644 Grey
378+18+170+204+184=954 Green
320+370+252+138+300=1380 Dark Tan
130+65+352+80+120+200=947 Light Tan

Here are my measuring stats as best as I could get them for my map, and the total does not come up to 10,000 squares but around 6925. I was wondering if I should try and eyeball which terrain should have more or something so that my numbers equal out to 10,000 or leave it at that.

From what I can see your numbers are pretty much right. And yes indeed you are under 10,000 so let me go to class and come back and ill edit your focus map and give you the full 10,000. Icu says he is coming back so you do have him to your south.

[Kesou]

Despite my initial convictions to stay away from this more complicate community, consider this a tag whilst I run through the system. I may apply after all.

[Achesia]

Despite my initial convictions to stay away from this more complicate community, consider this a tag whilst I run through the system. I may apply after all.

Awesome, we'll be glad to have you.

[Ceaden]

@ Paddy O: Here is your focus map.

For your population here is what I figured for it: 100x100=10,000/4=2,500*1= 2,500 Population You don't have enough coast to get a multiplier but you still end up with a decent amount.

[Ceaden]

@ Marzarbul: Focus Map

I edited your focus map to give you the full 10,000 miles.

I am also going to go through the process of contact non active members to enquire as to their activity.

Quest Sign Ups will also start today!

[Aelosia]

@ Paddy O: Here is your focus map.

For your population here is what I figured for it: 100x100=10,000/4=2,500*1= 2,500 Population You don't have enough coast to get a multiplier but you still end up with a decent amount.

I messed up the calculation looking at the wrong map with tons of coastline, I guess....

[Achesia]

@ Paddy O: Here is your focus map.

For your population here is what I figured for it: 100x100=10,000/4=2,500*1= 2,500 Population You don't have enough coast to get a multiplier but you still end up with a decent amount.

I messed up the calculation looking at the wrong map with tons of coastline, I guess....

Naw, I came up with the same numbers for the coastline as you did but I didnt think I had cut him short on land but I guess I did. He has 10,000 miles square now.

[Tuthina]

@ Marzarbul: Focus Map

I edited your focus map to give you the full 10,000 miles.

I am also going to go through the process of contact non active members to enquire as to their activity.

Quest Sign Ups will also start today!

Even though I am still a loooong way from completing my intro (I updated it a bit, too, introducing some characters, so check it out of anyone is interested!), I would like to ask how quests work, exactly? Is it the act of an entire country (to save someone, or something), or it focus more on the heroes (which was stated to be the one shaping history). If the latter is true, did that mean we have to create our own heroes (and their sidekicks) to solve the quest, RPG-style?

[Achesia]

@ Marzarbul: Focus Map

I edited your focus map to give you the full 10,000 miles.

I am also going to go through the process of contact non active members to enquire as to their activity.

Quest Sign Ups will also start today!

Even though I am still a loooong way from completing my intro (I updated it a bit, too, introducing some characters, so check it out of anyone is interested!), I would like to ask how quests work, exactly? Is it the act of an entire country (to save someone, or something), or it focus more on the heroes (which was stated to be the one shaping history). If the latter is true, did that mean we have to create our own heroes (and their sidekicks) to solve the quest, RPG-style?

Basicly quests will have their own requirements such as STR limits on how many forces you intend to bring. Sometimes they will have STR requirements enough for an army or as little as a hero or two. Quests will mainly be story telling with objectives for the participants to do together or not if they choose. (Its obviously easier to do it together, BUT sometimes there can only be one winner, or even multi victors.

We will deff do more quests after the first one is complete. It will be a staple of Ceaden.

[Tuthina]

Basicly quests will have their own requirements such as STR limits on how many forces you intend to bring. Sometimes they will have STR requirements enough for an army or as little as a hero or two. Quests will mainly be story telling with objectives for the participants to do together or not if they choose. (Its obviously easier to do it together, BUT sometimes there can only be one winner, or even multi victors.

We will deff do more quests after the first one is complete. It will be a staple of Ceaden.

That seems reasonable. I will try to complete my intro before the sun dies out.

P.S. Can you change the representation colour of Sabyeman into #22B14C? The current light green hurts my eyes. Also, I found that Sabyema is indeed smaller than 10,000 sq. mi. (It's around 7,000 if I am correct) Therefore, if Wistvallen is indeed lost, can I claim its desert region too as starting territory. If I am correct, the size of both combined should be about 10,000 sq. mi.

[Marzarbul]

230+136+546+378+168+378+99+493+456+360+400+775=4419 Grey
378+18+170+204+184+300=1254 Green
320+370+252+138+300+1500=2880 Dark Tan
130+65+352+80+120+200+500=1447 Light Tan

Ten thousand exactly is what I came up with here. Since my borders were expanding slightly I gained some more coastline so instead of 350 miles of coastline the new number I came up with came to: 350+250=600. As soon as these numbers are confirmed then I will re-do my population numbers and all that other good stuff!

[Achesia]

Announcement

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[/img]

Ceaden Quest #1: "Spark of Darkness" Sign ups and OOC thread is posted!!

Sign up within said thread by the start of the quest on the 29th of January to participate! You must have already completed your intro to participate.

[Ceaden]

230+136+546+378+168+378+99+493+456+360+400+775=4419 Grey
378+18+170+204+184+300=1254 Green
320+370+252+138+300+1500=2880 Dark Tan
130+65+352+80+120+200+500=1447 Light Tan

Ten thousand exactly is what I came up with here. Since my borders were expanding slightly I gained some more coastline so instead of 350 miles of coastline the new number I came up with came to: 350+250=600. As soon as these numbers are confirmed then I will re-do my population numbers and all that other good stuff!

Your at 450 coastline. I added 50 miles in length down from where you have your southern boarder before. So 100x100=10,000/4= 2,500*4.5= 11,250 Population.

[Ceaden]

Basicly quests will have their own requirements such as STR limits on how many forces you intend to bring. Sometimes they will have STR requirements enough for an army or as little as a hero or two. Quests will mainly be story telling with objectives for the participants to do together or not if they choose. (Its obviously easier to do it together, BUT sometimes there can only be one winner, or even multi victors.

We will deff do more quests after the first one is complete. It will be a staple of Ceaden.

That seems reasonable. I will try to complete my intro before the sun dies out.

P.S. Can you change the representation colour of Sabyeman into #22B14C? The current light green hurts my eyes. Also, I found that Sabyema is indeed smaller than 10,000 sq. mi. (It's around 7,000 if I am correct) Therefore, if Wistvallen is indeed lost, can I claim its desert region too as starting territory. If I am correct, the size of both combined should be about 10,000 sq. mi.

I TGed Whist and said it was his last TG warning, so If I dont hear back from him I will delete his claim since he never completed his intro.

[Marzarbul]

Hahaha, awesome. K well now my map and pop has been all fixed up I will now figure out my current PPC and stuff so I can figure out how many credits I start out with.