Lost Age OCC Discussion Thread [Former Ceaden Thread]

[Tavok]

True. How much of an increase?

As far as I know, the same STR that all 3 warriors have combined is what you increase by. If you're doing it that way, the War Elephant itself would be separate from the units mounting it, so you pay for 3 units in addition to the elephant, and their STR would simply be combined when you mount them. Alternatively, you could make your elephants like a regular cavalry unit, with the rider(s) and the mount being viewed as a package.

[Dbrought]

I was wondering, since I understand that pay increases STR which makes sense, as better soldiers get paid more, but with Zombies pay isn't an issue. I would propose instead of paying my minion skeletal soldiers perhaps the pay actually goes to the support necromancers (non combative ones) meaning I pay the necromancers more for that zombie so they make a better one with a more advanced spell. Game mechanic wise it is the same but contextually different. Is this ok?


Edit: also what is a good starting population?
also also put my claims down http://www.deviantart.com/download/302213750/zelbae_by_dbrought-d4zxhme.jpg

Edit#2: Changed my seat of power to Zelbae, City of the Dead. I got confused and thought of the seat of power being what you call a king rather than the capital. also here is a link to my very work in progress factbook http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?ns=1&f=23&t=179945&p=9333254#p9333254 also also my new languages are now Old Tongue, Zel, and Baen. working on a detail closeup map next

Edit # 3 I also now worship the Pantheon of Death And the Ancestors, and my population is Human, Undead, and Shades

[Tuthina]

I was wondering, since I understand that pay increases STR which makes sense, as better soldiers get paid more, but with Zombies pay isn't an issue. I would propose instead of paying my minion skeletal soldiers perhaps the pay actually goes to the support necromancers (non combative ones) meaning I pay the necromancers more for that zombie so they make a better one with a more advanced spell. Game mechanic wise it is the same but contextually different. Is this ok?


Edit: also what is a good starting population?
also also put my claims down http://www.deviantart.com/download/302213750/zelbae_by_dbrought-d4zxhme.jpg

Edit#2: Changed my seat of power to Zelbae, City of the Dead. I got confused and thought of the seat of power being what you call a king rather than the capital. also here is a link to my very work in progress factbook http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?ns=1&f=23&t=179945&p=9333254#p9333254 also also my new languages are now Old Tongue, Zel, and Baen. working on a detail closeup map next

Edit # 3 I also now worship the Pantheon of Death And the Ancestors, and my population is Human, Undead, and Shades

I would argue that in that case, the PAY of the zombie is the resources needed by the necromancer instead. Again, contextual difference, so you can always RP that way without changing the numbers. Everyone, please remember that the numbers and the rules are not everything, other than a general guidelines to follow. So, yes, you can say the PAY is going somewhere else other than the unit, and yes, "iron" need not to be iron, and so on, so on.

About the map, actually half of that part is already claimed by Numer expansion, so you might not want to be there. I also advise against settling at the west coast of the eastern continent, since it is already quite crowded.

[Dbrought]

Alright then ignore that part of the post post I'm going else ware.

[Tuthina]

Alright then ignore that part of the post post I'm going else ware.

Sure. I would suggest settling at the eastern side of the eastern continent, for it is quite empty at the moment, thus you will have a lot of lands to expand into.

Also, replied.

[Dbrought]

http://dbrought.deviantart.com/art/Zelbae-2-302240066 New claim area. Going for the other continent then. Is this ok? Also would a starting population of 2,340 work out?

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[Tuthina]

http://dbrought.deviantart.com/art/Zelbae-2-302240066 New claim area. Going for the other continent then. Is this ok? Also would a starting population of 2,340 work out?

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It would be a bit too small (around 4,500 px) to have that much population (you should have about a thousand, according to the rules), and it is only one forth of what you can claim initially anyway. I suggest you claiming a bit more to have additional population and income for that.

[Tavok]

Okay, so the Terrain Size in the Ceaden calculator says px, meaning pixels I assume. But shouldn't it be sq miles?

Also, I have absolutely no idea what the convention is for coastline measurements. Doesn't it all depend how tightly you're gonna hug the coast? For example, England by many measurements has a longer coastline than California, but a less precise measurement (not taking into account all the little nooks England has) might make CA's coastline longer.

[Tuthina]

Okay, so the Terrain Size in the Ceaden calculator says px, meaning pixels I assume. But shouldn't it be sq miles?

Also, I have absolutely no idea what the convention is for coastline measurements. Doesn't it all depend how tightly you're gonna hug the coast? For example, England by many measurements has a longer coastline than California, but a less precise measurement (not taking into account all the little nooks England has) might make CA's coastline longer.

1px = 1 mi. or 1 sq. mi.

About the coastline measurement, I think we are not very precise there and, frankly, I don't mind much, so an approximate number is good enough.

[Dbrought]

http://dbrought.deviantart.com/art/Zelbae-3-302303730 Claims attempt part 3. And this time since i obviously miscalculated my population lats time, could someone tell me what my population should be?

[Tuthina]

http://dbrought.deviantart.com/art/Zelbae-3-302303730 Claims attempt part 3. And this time since i obviously miscalculated my population lats time, could someone tell me what my population should be?

It's slightly bigger than what you can have, so maybe you will want to not claim that island. However, I am fine with it actually.

In any case, your population would be 5,000*6=30,000. It will be 20,000 instead if you do not have the island, though.

[Dbrought]

Attempt # 4 http://dbrought.deviantart.com/art/Zelbae-4-302309958 (Btw thank you for being patient)

Zelbae population 19,700. This better?

[Tuthina]

Attempt # 4 http://dbrought.deviantart.com/art/Zelbae-4-302309958 (Btw thank you for being patient)

Zelbae population 19,700. This better?

It is fine by the rules, so yes, it is better.
Will put you on map once I am no longer drunk.

[Dbrought]

Much appreciated. Thinking about it more, I feel like there is going to be some interesting politics within my nation, where they are unified by allegiance to the central Temple (still working on name) which also controls the majority of the dead's loyalty, but there are multiple houses vying for power that are rivals with each other. So far I have the

House of Undeath (Markus's House, Necromancers, Death knights, Lich Kings, Level headed and Fair minded),
House of Blood (Vampires, their slaves, familiars, the living and blood mages, Run the arenas, Watches over the living, Conservative and wishes to keep status quo),
House of Darkness (Death mages, Shades, Assassins)
House of the Caretakers (Caretakers who search and maintain the crypts and mausoleums, in addition to discovering and rebuilding the ruins of the old one's monuments and temples)
House of Rot (Plague mages, Abomination crafters, Expansionist, wishes to conquer all and convert everything to one flesh to serve their dark god)
House of Fire ( House of fire mages, Fire beasts, miners, and the smiths of Zelbae. Run and control all the mines and forges in Zelbae)
Guild of Collectors (Living hunters, who collect bodies, bones, objects, and the living to sell to the various houses and the Arena)
Guild of Magic (Collection of mages of all kinds in Zelbae who may be part of both the guild and their respective house or independent of any house.)

[The knights of kings]

Oh tuthina you and your drunkness

[Tuthina]

Oh tuthina you and your drunkness

It's the fuel of my soul, so there you go. I once tried to play a NS drinking game as I take a sip when I see ridiculous arguments in NSG, but I found out I will be dead before clearing a thread, so I resume to my normal drinking habit. Scotch is still the best beverage ever.

[Dbrought]

Oh tuthina you and your drunkness

It's the fuel of my soul, so there you go. I once tried to play a NS drinking game as I take a sip when I see ridiculous arguments in NSG, but I found out I will be dead before clearing a thread, so I resume to my normal drinking habit. Scotch is still the best beverage ever.

Agreed, though whiskey and rum aren't bad either.

[Tuthina]

It's the fuel of my soul, so there you go. I once tried to play a NS drinking game as I take a sip when I see ridiculous arguments in NSG, but I found out I will be dead before clearing a thread, so I resume to my normal drinking habit. Scotch is still the best beverage ever.

Agreed, though whiskey and rum aren't bad either.

Whiskey can be quite good, since Scotch is effectively a kind of Whiskey. I had not tried rum before, but I doubt I would like it much.

And for that matter:


Your focus map.

[Tavok]

Updated focus map:

Looks pretty clunky still, but it's better than the one currently up.

[Dbrought]

So one of the interesting things I'm now trying to develop is the class structure of my society. I know I want the Necromancers, and the Vampire lords to exist at the top of society as the nobles, and the mindless undead, slaves and workers to be at the bottom, though I'm now also trying to work in mages, skilled workers, merchants, knights, informers, spies, assassins, priests, vampires, and succubi exist in the social ladder. In the meantime I have worked out that I will have two forms of knights and two form of mounts. Being a heavily armored, but slow version with its mount being both an armored warhorse or a dragon, and a much more stealthy and swift shade night that has a warhorse or a flying drake mount. Basically the shades will be like LOTR nazgul and the Armour knights more like this http://ninjawolflord.deviantart.com/art/Rizen-chaos-champion-of-Tzeentch-280490922?q=favby%3Adbrought%2F49936429&qo=5

Dragons you say? Really costly to have you say? Well I plan to have a very small group of ultra elites, a slightly larger group of elites and another group of mages, and zombie cannon fodder.

[Numer]

So one of the interesting things I'm now trying to develop is the class structure of my society. I know I want the Necromancers, and the Vampire lords to exist at the top of society as the nobles, and the mindless undead, slaves and workers to be at the bottom, though I'm now also trying to work in mages, skilled workers, merchants, knights, informers, spies, assassins, priests, vampires, and succubi exist in the social ladder. In the meantime I have worked out that I will have two forms of knights and two form of mounts. Being a heavily armored, but slow version with its mount being both an armored warhorse or a dragon, and a much more stealthy and swift shade night that has a warhorse or a flying drake mount. Basically the shades will be like LOTR nazgul and the Armour knights more like this http://ninjawolflord.deviantart.com/art/Rizen-chaos-champion-of-Tzeentch-280490922?q=favby%3Adbrought%2F49936429&qo=5

Dragons you say? Really costly to have you say? Well I plan to have a very small group of ultra elites, a slightly larger group of elites and another group of mages, and zombie cannon fodder.

That knight looks sooo badass .

[The knights of kings]

I redid my info page so it fits my nation since I changed it. Feel free to take a look though im still in the editing process so it may be expanded upon.

[Numer]

I redid my info page so it fits my nation since I changed it. Feel free to take a look though im still in the editing process so it may be expanded upon.

I think it's great, I like the mystery of "SHE".

[Dbrought]

does a city come with an implied internal market, or do you need to build a market within a town?

[Tuthina]

does a city come with an implied internal market, or do you need to build a market within a town?

I suppose you still need to build it. Perhaps it is a more centralised and designated place by the authority, other than the natural marketing place.