Lost Age OCC Discussion Thread [Former Ceaden Thread]

[Aelosia]

Why you people have heroes with 152 STR?

Jesuschrist. That's the strenght of half my army...

Look at my forces, Yah'Men is my dragon with like 300 STR

"Like" no, 300 STR. That is why your economy is imploding. Your military budget is too damn high.

[Marzarbul]

Well I thought since we would be battling magical creatures I would bring some Priests. Screamers however are the wight-possessed humans that are controlled by Men of the Father. So as long as you do not mind this sort of dark magic then you will be fine with dealing with them. Though I did bring a Follower of the Summer Queen to even the light and dark side out with the mace-men and Jarl being Queen's men. The two pathfinders however are pretty much neutral and will be helping to navigate the woods and wilds of the land.

[Durmatagno]

Look at my forces, Yah'Men is my dragon with like 300 STR

"Like" no, 300 STR. That is why your economy is imploding. Your military budget is too damn high.

My economy is fine, for now.

Most of my units pay are ridiculously low. They all have MAYBE .5 STR bonus from pay, cept my royal guard of course

[Aelosia]

Ceaden “Nation” Name: The Union of Vyx-Hal
Demonym: Vyxian
Race: Birdmen, human, elf
Languages: Ni'hal(High Elvish), Ulk'ar(Birdspeak), Te'mur(Common Tongue of Men)
Religion: Every race has their own religion, so... Polytheistic
Government Type: Ruling Council led by a Head Councilman/Councilwoman (One from each race, the other two can combine to overrule the Head if necessary)
Head of State: Tryst'hal De'mor (Birdman)
Seat of Power: Head Councilman
Currency: Dru'lak
RL Fluency in English: Second Language, but I've been speaking it for over eight years.
Example of previous RP: Check my signature... If you need more let me know
RL Age: 18
Population and Military to be determined as well as Resources.
Map Claims: Southwest Island, south part.
Why do I wish to join Caeden?
It seems like this is an amazing idea. I love it, to be frank. I'd love to be a part of it, too.

Hi Yeso! Start to make the calculations and select the zone of 100x100 sqm in the map ou want to claim.

[Tuthina]

Look at my forces, Yah'Men is my dragon with like 300 STR

"Like" no, 300 STR. That is why your economy is imploding. Your military budget is too damn high.

You guys are insane, with all those people/whatever race they are of mass destruction.

I just stick to my army of a dozen riders and archers.

[Durmatagno]

"Like" no, 300 STR. That is why your economy is imploding. Your military budget is too damn high.

You guys are insane, with all those people/whatever race they are of mass destruction.

I just stick to my army of a dozen riders and archers.

Look at my army, and such

[Yesopalitha]

Ceaden “Nation” Name: The Union of Vyx-Hal
Demonym: Vyxian
Race: Birdmen, human, elf
Languages: Ni'hal(High Elvish), Ulk'ar(Birdspeak), Te'mur(Common Tongue of Men)
Religion: Every race has their own religion, so... Polytheistic
Government Type: Ruling Council led by a Head Councilman/Councilwoman (One from each race, the other two can combine to overrule the Head if necessary)
Head of State: Tryst'hal De'mor (Birdman)
Seat of Power: The Nest of Broken Eggs
Currency: Dru'lak
RL Fluency in English: Second Language, but I've been speaking it for over eight years.
Example of previous RP: Check my signature... If you need more let me know
RL Age: 18
Population and Military to be determined as well as Resources.
Map Claims: Southwest Island, south part.
Why do I wish to join Caeden?
It seems like this is an amazing idea. I love it, to be frank. I'd love to be a part of it, too.

Hi Yeso! Start to make the calculations and select the zone of 100x100 sqm in the map ou want to claim.

Will do. Edited capital city as well.

[Tuthina]

Look at my army, and such

Well, I can certainly see that your king himself is as strong as our entire army.
We're a small and desolate country, so we got to use what we had.

[Yesopalitha]

How does this look?
proposed map

[Aelosia]

"Like" no, 300 STR. That is why your economy is imploding. Your military budget is too damn high.

My economy is fine, for now.

Most of my units pay are ridiculously low. They all have MAYBE .5 STR bonus from pay, cept my royal guard of course

Your total pay is 841,500. Ridiculously low? The pay of your dragon is more than the military budgets of two countries united.

841,00 of military budget? I won't set myself as example, but that's almost the military yearly income of half the continent.

Just for you to know, I made the math for you. I'll get Ceaden to check it out, but so far you are imploded.

What is your PPC again?

[Yesopalitha]

Changed my mind...
Updated Map Claim
Any good tools to use for coastline measuring?

[Tuthina]

Changed my mind...
Updated Map Claim
Any good tools to use for coastline measuring?

Try paint.NET. It can measure line by drawing lines (it shows the length of the drawn line), and area by magic wand.

[Ceaden]

Changed my mind...
Updated Map Claim
Any good tools to use for coastline measuring?

If you could zoom that photo in more to the area you are claiming I can tell you how much coast you have.

[Ceaden]

My economy is fine, for now.

Most of my units pay are ridiculously low. They all have MAYBE .5 STR bonus from pay, cept my royal guard of course

Your total pay is 841,500. Ridiculously low? The pay of your dragon is more than the military budgets of two countries united.

841,00 of military budget? I won't set myself as example, but that's almost the military yearly income of half the continent.

Just for you to know, I made the math for you. I'll get Ceaden to check it out, but so far you are imploded.

What is your PPC again?

I'll review when I get some time tonight, I think I talked to Durm about this way back in the beginning and he said he would review it but I'll look it over again.

[Aelosia]

Your total pay is 841,500. Ridiculously low? The pay of your dragon is more than the military budgets of two countries united.

841,000 of military budget? I won't set myself as example, but that's almost the military yearly income of half the continent.

Just for you to know, I made the math for you. I'll get Ceaden to check it out, but so far you are imploded.

What is your PPC again?

I'll review when I get some time tonight, I think I talked to Durm about this way back in the beginning and he said he would review it but I'll look it over again.

Yup, because his yearly budget is 423,000. That minus 841,000 means -417198. So his nation loses -417,000 credits yearly. If that is not imploded then I don't know what it is.

[Durmatagno]

My economy is fine, for now.

Most of my units pay are ridiculously low. They all have MAYBE .5 STR bonus from pay, cept my royal guard of course

Your total pay is 841,500. Ridiculously low? The pay of your dragon is more than the military budgets of two countries united.

841,00 of military budget? I won't set myself as example, but that's almost the military yearly income of half the continent.

Just for you to know, I made the math for you. I'll get Ceaden to check it out, but so far you are imploded.

What is your PPC again?

Flip back, before you moderated I went through a year with the bonuses and changes and such, he saw everything and all, plus I did say MOST OF MY MILITARY. Remember I'm among the largest here ATM

[Yesopalitha]

Getting help from Tuthina.

[Achesia]

Getting help from Tuthina.

Awesome, glad ya'll are helping eachother out

[Yesopalitha]

So here it is, apologies for being so late and so thorough.
Claims (big map): Big Claim Map It's the smaller box, the bigger box was a bit too big.
Claims (small map):Small Claim Map

Terrain distribution:
Water: 3291 sq. mi.
Sea Level: 2869 sq. mi.
High Land: 2353 sq. mi.
Low Mountains: 1028 sq. mi.
High Mountains: 158 sq. mi.
Total: 9999 sq. mi.

Generated number: 3 (Normal)
# of Stone: 1250
# of Iron: 2000
# of Steel: 0
# of Carbon: 400
# of Wood: 16000
# of Gold: 250
# of Silver: 400
# of Oils: 3000

Population
Coastline: Approximately 130 miles
(100*100/4)*1.3 = 3250 people.

Please double check everything as necessary. Thank you.

I will add base resources once my number is given to me. Same for population. Then I shall make my military!

[Achesia]

So here it is, apologies for being so late and so thorough.
Claims (big map): Big Claim Map It's the smaller box, the bigger box was a bit too big.
Claims (small map):Small Claim Map

Terrain distribution:
Water: 3291 sq. mi.
Sea Level: 2869 sq. mi.
High Land: 2353 sq. mi.
Low Mountains: 1028 sq. mi.
High Mountains: 158 sq. mi.
Total: 9999 sq. mi.

Resources (Rounded to the nearest whole number):
Stone: 404
Iron: 363
Carbon: 280
Silver: 120
Gold: 94
Wood: 3913
Oil: 1232

Population
Coastline: Approximately 130 miles
(100*100/4)*1.3 = 3250 people.

Please double check everything as necessary. Thank you.

I will add base resources once my number is given to me. Same for population. Then I shall make my military!

What program did you use for that?

[Yesopalitha]

So here it is, apologies for being so late and so thorough.
Claims (big map): Big Claim Map It's the smaller box, the bigger box was a bit too big.
Claims (small map):Small Claim Map

Terrain distribution:
Water: 3291 sq. mi.
Sea Level: 2869 sq. mi.
High Land: 2353 sq. mi.
Low Mountains: 1028 sq. mi.
High Mountains: 458 sq. mi.
Total: 9999 sq. mi.

Resources (Rounded to the nearest whole number):
Stone: 404
Iron: 363
Carbon: 280
Silver: 120
Gold: 94
Wood: 3913
Oil: 1232

Population
Coastline: Approximately 130 miles
(100*100/4)*1.3 = 3250 people.

Please double check everything as necessary. Thank you.

I will add base resources once my number is given to me. Same for population. Then I shall make my military!

What program did you use for that?

All done by Paint.NET, and then posted on imgur.

[Legokiller]

Sad to see that the first quest doesn't allow flying units >_<

So can I add a new race within my kingdom before doing the intro(and Factbook)?

[Yesopalitha]

So here it is, apologies for being so late and so thorough.
Claims (big map): Big Claim Map It's the smaller box, the bigger box was a bit too big.
Claims (small map):Small Claim Map

Terrain distribution:
Water (Black Line): 3291 sq. mi.
Sea Level (Pink Line): 2869 sq. mi.
High Land (Purple Line): 2353 sq. mi.
Low Mountains (Teal Line): 1028 sq. mi.
High Mountains(Yellow Line): 458 sq. mi.
Total: 9999 sq. mi.

Resources (Rounded to the nearest whole number):
Stone: 404
Iron: 363
Carbon: 280
Silver: 120
Gold: 94
Wood: 3913
Oil: 1232

Population
Coastline: Approximately 130 miles
(100*100/4)*1.3 = 3250 people.

Please double check everything as necessary. Thank you.

I will add base resources once my number is given to me. Same for population. Then I shall make my military!

Added what color lines belong in what category for clearance's sake.

[Durmatagno]

Sad to see that the first quest doesn't allow flying units >_<

So can I add a new race within my kingdom before doing the intro(and Factbook)?

You can have as many races as you want, just keep the primary, well primary.

[Aelosia]

Your total pay is 841,500. Ridiculously low? The pay of your dragon is more than the military budgets of two countries united.

841,00 of military budget? I won't set myself as example, but that's almost the military yearly income of half the continent.

Just for you to know, I made the math for you. I'll get Ceaden to check it out, but so far you are imploded.

What is your PPC again?

Flip back, before you moderated I went through a year with the bonuses and changes and such, he saw everything and all, plus I did say MOST OF MY MILITARY. Remember I'm among the largest here ATM

Indeed. I do not negate the fact that you are one of the largest, if not the largest. Without doubt your military is force wise the largest by a rather large amount (I did run those numbers too). Even so, your military breaks the rules of the game. That keeps being a fact. If Ceaden wants to allow it, then fine. He's the moderator, I'm just assisting him. I am assisting him mostly with things like this, finding incoherencies like this one. I am doing what I am supposed to do.

I am NOT moderating. I am ASSISTING Ceaden, he's the boss and he has the last word on everything. I just highlighted it, as I have highlighted many other things in the past (And not only overprices and overpower, but also underpower and unprices, as you can see in other posts). I think he gave you permission in the past maybe because he did not realize either the VAST number incoherencies, or the consequences of such numbers were not as clear as they seem to be now.

You can get away with it, again if Ceaden allows it. Doesn't mean you aren't breaking the rules everyone else is following. You still are. And by a large amount, that. Your military budgets is 100% LARGER than your budget, even having a budget, a PPC, a population and a country way larger than everyone else. (And that is fine, because you are larger and you started first. I do understand that and have no problem with it). You had some advantaged, then cheated on those advantages to create a gap between you and the others.

The point of you being older and larger is irrevelant. I did flip back, it is part of what I do. I am not denying your advantages as being a year older, having more resources, more population, more PPC and GDP. My point is, that over the top of all those advantages, you went and doubled them up. You have units with more power and STR than entire COALITIONS of countries. And that, frankly, is not what bothers me. What bothers me is that you were given a fair amount of advantages, and instead of getting its benefits as a headstart, you went way far to the overpower side. I don't think you did not compare your forces with Achesia's forces, (which are balanced, by the way). Didn't you realized you had a force way over the top of the nation older than you?

Frankly, at first I believed you did. I thought this was a MISTAKE from your part. As in, you did not realize the inconsistencies. By your posts, I realize you have done it in purpose. I have found some other inconsistencies in other countries, but frankly, they are minor, way minor as to make a note over it, 3 resources over here, 1,000 credits somewhere. Your "mistake" is having military twice the size you are allowed to. Twice the size you are allowed to with a LOT of advantages over other countries, as is starting with 10,000,000 credits instead of 5, and having in general a larger population and already one year of taxes ahead. Those advantages are legal. Having a pay of -417,198 is no small feat. Actually, having a military budget of 418,000 (instead of the 40,000-60,000 TOP other people have), is advantage enough, I think.

The problem I see is that the mathhammer and the carefully woven rules are here to give balance to a game. And your numbers break said balance by 100%. If you get away with it then everyone should have. And could. And then the balance and all the work in the numbers is wasted.

I can list for you what you should be able to get away with and what you shouldn't:

SHOULD KEEP:
- Having a population of at least twice the size everyone else.
- Having a larger pool of resources.
- Having more land.
- Twice the starting credits than everyone else.
- A higher yearly budget with PPC and GDP for a total of 423,000, which is around eight to ten times more than everyone else's budget.

Those are your rightfully earned benefits as an older nation than everyone else. You should keep those. Frankly, I think those are advantages enough. You are already around 5-8 times bigger and meaner than everyone else with those.

SHOULDN'T KEEP:
- A military with a budget of 841,000 which is twice your current military budget. You should crop your military to half or even less.

Have you realized that you can practically roll over not ANYONE, (that could be possible), but EVERYONE at once?

I don't think having an army 10 times the size of everyone else and with units that are more powerful by themselves than full armies of other people is balanced, sorry. And I don't think it is a fair reward for having a little bit more time than everyone else here. It is not my decision, but my opinion stand. And this post is so long because I want both my point to be clear, in a rational way, and everything analyzed properly for me, for you, and for everyone else.

As a side note. This is not personal, this is because your list seems to have a rather amazing incoherency to it. An incoherency of 100%