War of the Setting Sun [OOC, Closed]

by **Premislyd** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:21 pm

Carpathia and Moldova wrote:So basically, if Nagasaki is not possible, then we want either Siberia or Hawaii. If not, oh well, embargo time.

You godmodded
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I would like to bring up the point that I don't think godmodders should get anything other than the body bags of their dead.

by **Socialist States Owen** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:25 pm

Of the Quendi wrote:
Socialist States Owen wrote:
Yes, GEIJD's horrific wank empire is coming down in flames.

My empire is much larger then GEIJD's. Aman alone is comparable in size to Asia. Is that wank?

Yes, but you actually took it and whatnot (at least most of it) and you have a much more capable nation. Plus there is the big element of GEIJD RP'ing super loyalty on the part of the people of his 'empire' despite the fact they've been invaded by a foreign culture they oppose. It's like me saying 'oh suddenly a superstate with lots of resources and stuff surrendered to me so now im a superpower."

by **Salzland** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:02 pm

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a player claiming real world territories and populating them with his or her own people. That is how we can have dozens (if not hundreds or thousands) of players that claim all or part of multiple real-world nations or continents as their territory. In other words, it is entirely reasonable for this RP to not have any "Europeans," or "Australians," or "Chinese," or whatever, in GEIJD territories that would be revolting or creating unrest against GEIJD, because (with regard to GEIJD) those people simply do not exist as anything other than GEIJD citizens. Yes, there may be people designated as "Russian," or "Japanese," et cetera, but that distinction is meaningless unless GEIJD decides it has meaning.

That being said, the much stronger argument would have been that GEIJD could occupy all of the claimed territory, but would only be able to populate it using his in-game population (859 million per today's listing). His population would therefore be so scattered that his nation would be utterly unable to sustain itself and would easily be rolled over by the coalition assembled against it. Making such an argument at this stage, though, would not accomplish anything since it appears that the RP is already winding down, and that issue would have been much better to raise at the very beginning. Also, it seems all of the participants have been okay with GEIJD"s population to this point, so arguing about it now would be counter-intuitive at best.

I would also advise caution when discussing other players' economies. Many players (such as myself) do not precisely follow the economic statistics that the game provides. I have seen other players that RP their economies as stronger (or weaker) than what their NS page says, RP with higher or lower tax rates, et cetera, and do so very effectively.

However, if the discussion is about the way something is being roleplayed, that's entirely different. If, for example, someone were making the claim that they had a 100% tax rate, 99% of their government budget went to the military, and their people were all highly educated, ate gourmet foods, had the best health care in the world and lived in mansions, solely provided for by the remaining 1% of their GDP, then obviously there would be areas of concern. If there are such concerns, it strikes me that they would be best presented with specificity, rather than generic statements.

After all, it is much easier for one to learn from his or her mistakes when he or she is shown where he or she is wrong and why he or she is wrong, rather than just told "You're wrong."

by **San-Silvacian** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:38 pm

I want a sit-rep on all Imperial--Japan's craft that are not real life before I engage them.

by **Whairtia** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:45 pm

So did Japan send that communique to me yet?

by **Imperial--japan** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:58 pm

San-Silvacian wrote:I want a sit-rep on all Imperial--Japan's craft that are not real life before I engage them.

what do you want to know so I don't have to type 7 paragrphs to explain it all.

by **San-Silvacian** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:30 am

Imperial--japan wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:I want a sit-rep on all Imperial--Japan's craft that are not real life before I engage them.

what do you want to know so I don't have to type 7 paragrphs to explain it all.

The ships.

by **The New Imperia** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:14 pm

you guys remember when IC posts were daily? yeah me neither

by **Vir Sidus** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:21 pm

What's an IC post?!

by **Empire of Symphonia** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:35 pm

About three days back:

Japan and Symphonia negotiated a peace settlement. Japan is joining the Asian Federation of Nations, and thus the AFN will be regarding Japan as a sovereign territory of the AFN supranational government. Instrusions into Japanese territory after the final signing of the treaty ending the Great Asian War will be frowned upon.

Just wanted you guys to know.

by **The New Imperia** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:37 pm

Vir Sidus wrote:What's an IC post?!

In Character Post.

Its that special something that makes all these pages of OOC worth it. It's like love in that it makes you do stupid things like nuke yourself, but recently im starting to think this is unrequited love.

Empire of Symphonia wrote:About three days back:

Japan and Symphonia negotiated a peace settlement. Japan is joining the Asian Federation of Nations, and thus the AFN will be regarding Japan as a sovereign territory of the AFN supranational government. Instrusions into Japanese territory after the final signing of the treaty ending the Great Asian War will be frowned upon.

Just wanted you guys to know.

can i get a link? not gonna be a lawyer about it, just kinda want to read something.

by **Socialist States Owen** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:43 pm

Empire of Symphonia wrote:About three days back:

Japan and Symphonia negotiated a peace settlement. Japan is joining the Asian Federation of Nations, and thus the AFN will be regarding Japan as a sovereign territory of the AFN supranational government. Instrusions into Japanese territory after the final signing of the treaty ending the Great Asian War will be frowned upon.

Just wanted you guys to know.

1. I'd like a link to this.

2. How exactly would this happen instantly without anyone else becoming aware? What, do all the flags go up at once and the government change instantly?

Told you GEIJD was delaying to wank his way out of it. Time for nukes?

by **Empire of Symphonia** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:46 pm

It wasn't on in a real thread, but we negotiated a peace settlement over the "telegrams" section. Japan invaded me a while back because joined the Qunedi side of the GAW, and we have been duking it out ever since. But since you guys did a nice job of defeating Japan for me, me and GEIJD made peace.

Could I copy and paste his telegrams? I swear on my honor that I have never tampered will any of them.

by **Belfras** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:48 pm

How exactly is this peace settlement supposed to end the Great Asian War?

by **The New Imperia** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:49 pm

Empire of Symphonia wrote:It wasn't on in a real thread, but we negotiated a peace settlement over the "telegrams" section. Japan invaded me a while back because joined the Qunedi side of the GAW, and we have been duking it out ever since. But since you guys did a nice job of defeating Japan for me, me and GEIJD made peace.

Could I copy and paste his telegrams? I swear on my honor that I have never tampered will any of them.

you can go for it, but the problem is that we had no representation during this peace process. The coalition is still at war, if you want to inherit the burden then...

by **Empire of Symphonia** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:51 pm

Socialist States Owen wrote:2. How exactly would this happen instantly without anyone else becoming aware? What, do all the flags go up at once and the government change instantly?

Told you GEIJD was delaying to wank his way out of it. Time for nukes?

2) No. National sovereignty are kept. Just think of this being akin to Reformed Britannia's old Imperial Federation......except with a stronger touch in the sense that it is an economic and military alliance/government.

3) Just make sure I don't have to end up paying for rebuilding the entire country.

Oh......and sorry for answering all your questions. I'm doing my best to answer them all in one batch.

by **Imperial--japan** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:53 pm

Empire of Symphonia wrote:It wasn't on in a real thread, but we negotiated a peace settlement over the "telegrams" section. Japan invaded me a while back because joined the Qunedi side of the GAW, and we have been duking it out ever since. But since you guys did a nice job of defeating Japan for me, me and GEIJD made peace.

Could I copy and paste his telegrams? I swear on my honor that I have never tampered will any of them.

And you didn't tell the coalition? Or post it in the IC at least?

Owen: I would reccomend no nukes so this doesn't become any more wank.

by **Socialist States Owen** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:54 pm

Empire of Symphonia wrote:It wasn't on in a real thread, but we negotiated a peace settlement over the "telegrams" section. Japan invaded me a while back because joined the Qunedi side of the GAW, and we have been duking it out ever since. But since you guys did a nice job of defeating Japan for me, me and GEIJD made peace.

Could I copy and paste his telegrams? I swear on my honor that I have never tampered will any of them.

So we should accept a deal that was made over telegram, which was clearly set up by GEIJD's delaying tactics? :eyebrow:

I'm not going to get behind any bullshit conclusion like that until this war has come to a satisfactory conclusion, unless you can explain how a complete takeover would take place in the blink of an eye.

The coalition is still at war with GEIJD canonically, so all you are doing is putting Symphonian assets in the line of fire of a doomed nation :|

EDIT:

Empire of Symphonia wrote:
Socialist States Owen wrote:2. How exactly would this happen instantly without anyone else becoming aware? What, do all the flags go up at once and the government change instantly?

Told you GEIJD was delaying to wank his way out of it. Time for nukes?

2) No. National sovereignty are kept. Just think of this being akin to Reformed Britannia's old Imperial Federation......except with a stronger touch in the sense that it is an economic and military alliance/government.

3) Just make sure I don't have to end up paying for rebuilding the entire country.

Oh......and sorry for answering all your questions. I'm doing my best to answer them all in one batch.

Oh, I get it. Well in that case I guess we'll just keep going and you will have to decide whether hes worth protecting or not - protip, it probably wont be.

by **Empire of Symphonia** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:56 pm

Belfras wrote:How exactly is this peace settlement supposed to end the Great Asian War?

The peace treaty between the AFN and the GEIJD was supposed to stop Operation Ryūketsu Jigoku because your armies are almost into defeating Japan.
You may want to expand your current proposed peace settlement with Japan to include mine. Japan said that he is going post, but.....so far not so good at doing that job.

The New Imperia wrote:you can go for it, but the problem is that we had no representation during this peace process. The coalition is still at war, if you want to inherit the burden then...

You can be represented if you wish to be. The peace conference discussing this treaty hasn't been formalized yet.

by **The New Imperia** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:58 pm

just so everyone knows, i will be making a post in a few, but it has nothing to do with the current events. so please don't judge me.

by **Empire of Symphonia** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:59 pm

Socialist States Owen wrote:
Empire of Symphonia wrote:It wasn't on in a real thread, but we negotiated a peace settlement over the "telegrams" section. Japan invaded me a while back because joined the Qunedi side of the GAW, and we have been duking it out ever since. But since you guys did a nice job of defeating Japan for me, me and GEIJD made peace.

Could I copy and paste his telegrams? I swear on my honor that I have never tampered will any of them.

So we should accept a deal that was made over telegram, which was clearly set up by GEIJD's delaying tactics?

I'm not going to get behind any bullshit conclusion like that until this war has come to a satisfactory conclusion, unless you can explain how a complete takeover would take place in the blink of an eye.

The coalition is still at war with GEIJD canonically, so all you are doing is putting Symphonian assets in the line of fire of a doomed nation :|

EDIT:

Empire of Symphonia wrote:
2) No. National sovereignty are kept. Just think of this being akin to Reformed Britannia's old Imperial Federation......except with a stronger touch in the sense that it is an economic and military alliance/government.

3) Just make sure I don't have to end up paying for rebuilding the entire country.

Oh......and sorry for answering all your questions. I'm doing my best to answer them all in one batch.

Oh, I get it. Well in that case I guess we'll just keep going and you will have to decide whether hes worth protecting or not - protip, it probably wont be.

Hey, don't get all mad about me. He invaded me in a separate thread that was relevant to this war. I put that thread up here, but no one listened. Besides, if you want to inavde Japan, go ahead. I haven't decided when to assume control of Japan.

by **Socialist States Owen** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:06 pm

Empire of Symphonia wrote:
Socialist States Owen wrote:
So we should accept a deal that was made over telegram, which was clearly set up by GEIJD's delaying tactics?

I'm not going to get behind any bullshit conclusion like that until this war has come to a satisfactory conclusion, unless you can explain how a complete takeover would take place in the blink of an eye.

The coalition is still at war with GEIJD canonically, so all you are doing is putting Symphonian assets in the line of fire of a doomed nation :|

EDIT:

Oh, I get it. Well in that case I guess we'll just keep going and you will have to decide whether hes worth protecting or not - protip, it probably wont be.

Hey, don't get all mad about me. He invaded me in a separate thread that was relevant to this war. I put that thread up here, but no one listened. Besides, if you want to inavde Japan, go ahead. I haven't decided when to assume control of Japan.

Sorry to sound annoyed, but I wanted to get this thread over with and at least give it a semi-decent ending but this is frankly a bit of a dick move. Plus, whats to stop you taking over right when hes on the brink of defeat?

Unless the terms of the coalitions various members are met, IC'ly I don't see why they would back down.

by **Empire of Symphonia** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:09 pm

By the way, since I said I would post my telegrams:

I apologize if it doesn't look real or good at all, but I kept my promise that I didn't tamper with it. Decide for yourself and make an opinion. For my part, I just want to win and get Japan under the AFN. Anything else that he does is not of my interest.

by **Belfras** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:12 pm

Long as you and him negotiating this 'truce' only affects relations between the two of you. The Great Asian War will not end as a result of this rather back-alley interlude between the two of you, nor should it. And as for any grandeurs GEIJD has at ending the GAW as a stalemate, he can forget them. Noone in their right mind would stop the war when we're close to winning.

After that, well.. Long as him being a member of the AFN doesn't mean he'll start dragging its members into wars or getting you lot to help him in the Great Asian War, their wont be a problem.

by **Isolated China** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:14 pm

Empire of Symphonia wrote:About three days back:

Japan and Symphonia negotiated a peace settlement. Japan is joining the Asian Federation of Nations, and thus the AFN will be regarding Japan as a sovereign territory of the AFN supranational government. Instrusions into Japanese territory after the final signing of the treaty ending the Great Asian War will be frowned upon.

Just wanted you guys to know.

Um....no.
Me and Japan agreed way before that he was coming under me as a protectorate. For you to say Japan is yours, currently conflicts with what me and GEIJD agreed on. Therefore, I say it is invalid. If GEIJD can back it up, then he can be yours for a few million Yuan for the lies we were told.

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