Capitalist International (CAPITERN) Alliance

[Green Forester]

Application to Join

Nation name: Green Forester (In Union with Aegara)
Views on Capitalism and Communism: Capitalism is the best way to go, simple as, communism neutral (tolerated)
Nation population: 3.52 Billion
National political party in power: Liberal Democratic Party
Current conflicts: none
Level of membership: Highest Available.

[A White Hawk]

Application to Join

Nation name: Green Forester (In Union with Aegara)
Views on Capitalism and Communism: Capitalism is the best way to go, simple as, communism neutral (tolerated)
Nation population: 3.52 Billion
National political party in power: Liberal Democratic Party
Current conflicts: none
Level of membership: Highest Available.

Accepted, you can choose to be an officer (first post) or a just a full member.

[Birkaine]

Nation name: Birkanian Commonwealth
Views on Capitalism and Communism: Capitalism made our nation grand.
Nation population: 1.35 billion
National political party in power: Berzuprechnyy Birkaina military party.
Current conflicts: None at the moment.
Level of membership: Highest available.

[A White Hawk]

Nation name: Birkanian Commonwealth
Views on Capitalism and Communism: Capitalism made our nation grand.
Nation population: 1.35 billion
National political party in power: Berzuprechnyy Birkaina military party.
Current conflicts: None at the moment.
Level of membership: Highest available.

Accepted

Please all new nations add you are part of this alliance into your sigs.

[Green Forester]

Greetings fellow Capitalist nations, it is good to be back! What political offices are open?

[A White Hawk]

Greetings fellow Capitalist nations, it is good to be back! What political offices are open?

Diplomatic, Economic, or Recruiting Officers.

[Birkaine]

I would like to know what is my rank in the alliance.

[A White Hawk]

I would like to know what is my rank in the alliance.

Full member

[Lioh]

Nation name:United Federal Republic of Lioh
Views on Capitalism and Communism:Love Capitalism communism sucks
Nation population:2.63 Billion
National political party in power: Federalist
Current conflicts:The Liohan- Red commies malitia Civil War
Level of membership:Standard Member

[Tao Qin]

Nation name: The Constitutional Monarchy of Tao Qin

Views on Capitalism and Communism:

Capitalism is a broad economic term that describes the distribution of resources by means of private management and ownership. Capitalism itself does not necessarily imply a system of unregulated marketing. Mercantilism, in which is a system of heavy Government intervention and involvement, is considered a form of capitalism.

The most efficient form of capitalism is Lazeez Affaire capitalism, proposed by Adam Smith. It is a system that assures the natural and stable growth of a nation’s economy. There is no larger risk taken because the State would not invest tax revenue into a market they favor. It is also a system of liberty and independence that naturally helps the citizens learn responsibility and to adjust to the diverse cultures of their society in order to obtain desired resources. It is also a system of equality and secularism, because in a sense, all citizens are merchants, selling a “resource” for something else, whether it is food, computers, or labor.

Invisible hand economics is best mixed with a system of law that is not corrupted by the state or crime. Therefore, the nation of Tao Qin has outlawed elections and lobbying. As of now, for smooth transition, the Lord, King of Tao Qin manages military and police forces to prevent forced and misleading exchange between citizens. Tao Qin does not take the resources from one merchant and gives it to another due to religious or any other opinion except to purchase the resources necessary from defending from tyranny.

Communism is a term that describes a transitional phase of a nation from a very strong, socialist state that strictly manages all of the resources of the people and generally the people themselves until the people achieve a certain sense of community where a state is unnecessary.

The Nation of Tao Qin firmly rejects all powerful states. It is an inefficient means to protect the people and to manage the resources of society. The only way a nationalist state can achieve an efficient economy is to let market professionals operate industry, which would virtually be no different from capitalism, until the state steps in and attempts to intervene for its own, closed minded purposes, such as to enforce their monopolized dogma of philanthropy (which is taking resources from one merchant, and giving it to another, essentially).

Nation population: 327 million

National political party in power: There are no political parties; there is a revolutionary government managed by a temporary monarchy.

Current conflicts: None.

Level of membership: Full Member (no experience with alliances or wars; therefore, cannot take any serious responsibility at the moment, although I may be interested in helping promote the cause of the CAPITERN alliance).

[Ketrily]

Dear Sir 'President' of Crabulonia,

I reply in regard of your notice of my 'naivety' and I want to pose you a question:

Is every man not entitled to the fruit of his labours, You say no, it belongs to everyone, Kagetora says, It belongs to our leader, and the man in my nation says, yes. Because we embrace....

Liberty

* You are suggesting that a system designed where people seek only to make money, shares all of its achievements together. Taking the pharmaceutical industry as an example, this is completely wrong. Medicines are not provided for everyone for free by the loving companies are they?

The pharmaceutical companies are a business, and so expect to earn a profit. Say a Chemistry professor walks up to the CEO of that company one day, and proposes a formula for the cure for cancer, it works. The CEO will obviously begin distributing, advertising, and
selling the chemical, to the profit of both himself and the professor. Mutually Beneficial Transactions (Better known as business deals) are the basis of a true Capitalist society, where both men exchange a value, whether it be knowledge, money, or anything else you can think of; both, men exchange this for personal profit, no more, no less, and by this system, all men appropriately gain the product of their work.

** This point is interesting because yes there are stories of desolate individuals with not a hope at the start of their life growing into successful billionaires. But there are people definitely as intelligent in different situations which outright exclude them, there are people in Africa who are easily as smart as investment bankers but they are not favoured by their system.

Unfortunately, their own system is not Capitalism, but true capitalism embraces open borders, so all men, if they are determined enough, can easily go to another, much greater nation, and work there. However, a true capitalist society would never intervene, unless severely threatened, against another nation. All communist nations tend to do the opposite.

***Communism encourages the sharing of all triumph. It does not deny that people should do the best they can, but rather than be motivated for the quest for money, they are motivated to improve the society around them.

In 1919, my great-grandfather fled from a country which had been shaded in despotism, the Marxist revolution simply traded one lie for another. Instead of one man, the Tsar, owning the work of all the people; all of the people owned the work of all the people! So, he fled to another nation, where a man could earn the profit of his own mind, the strength of his own muscle, the product of his own will.
He had thought he had left the parasites of his homeland to wither, but as the foolish German people threw themselves upon Hitler’s sword, for the good of the Reich, the Land of the Free simply drank the vice of Altruism. Roosevelt, and his 'New deal' was the end of the era of intelligence and freedom, with the words "The rich are liars".

I ask you now, What is the greatest lie ever perpetrated by man? Slavery? The Holocaust? The Atom Bomb? Dictatorship? No, It is the tool upon which all of that evil is built... Altruism. Whenever anyone wants the masses to do their work, they call upon their altruism. Never mind their own needs, they say, think of the needs of... Others? Whoever? The State? The Poor? The Army? The King? Of God! The list goes on, and on. But how many catastrophes were caused by the words... Think of yourself! None, it is the King and Country crowd who light the torch of destruction. It is the ancient lie of Altruism, which has chained humanity to an endless cycle of guilt and failure.

[A White Hawk]

Nation name:United Federal Republic of Lioh
Views on Capitalism and Communism:Love Capitalism communism sucks
Nation population:2.63 Billion
National political party in power: Federalist
Current conflicts:The Liohan- Red commies malitia Civil War
Level of membership:Standard Member

Accepted please add you are a member of the alliance into your sig.

NOTICE: First inter-alliance meeting to be held today at 10:00 AM ET.

[A White Hawk]

Nation name: The Constitutional Monarchy of Tao Qin

Views on Capitalism and Communism:

Capitalism is a broad economic term that describes the distribution of resources by means of private management and ownership. Capitalism itself does not necessarily imply a system of unregulated marketing. Mercantilism, in which is a system of heavy Government intervention and involvement, is considered a form of capitalism.

The most efficient form of capitalism is Lazeez Affaire capitalism, proposed by Adam Smith. It is a system that assures the natural and stable growth of a nation’s economy. There is no larger risk taken because the State would not invest tax revenue into a market they favor. It is also a system of liberty and independence that naturally helps the citizens learn responsibility and to adjust to the diverse cultures of their society in order to obtain desired resources. It is also a system of equality and secularism, because in a sense, all citizens are merchants, selling a “resource” for something else, whether it is food, computers, or labor.

Invisible hand economics is best mixed with a system of law that is not corrupted by the state or crime. Therefore, the nation of Tao Qin has outlawed elections and lobbying. As of now, for smooth transition, the Lord, King of Tao Qin manages military and police forces to prevent forced and misleading exchange between citizens. Tao Qin does not take the resources from one merchant and gives it to another due to religious or any other opinion except to purchase the resources necessary from defending from tyranny.

Communism is a term that describes a transitional phase of a nation from a very strong, socialist state that strictly manages all of the resources of the people and generally the people themselves until the people achieve a certain sense of community where a state is unnecessary.

The Nation of Tao Qin firmly rejects all powerful states. It is an inefficient means to protect the people and to manage the resources of society. The only way a nationalist state can achieve an efficient economy is to let market professionals operate industry, which would virtually be no different from capitalism, until the state steps in and attempts to intervene for its own, closed minded purposes, such as to enforce their monopolized dogma of philanthropy (which is taking resources from one merchant, and giving it to another, essentially).

Nation population: 327 million

National political party in power: There are no political parties; there is a revolutionary government managed by a temporary monarchy.

Current conflicts: None.

Level of membership: Full Member (no experience with alliances or wars; therefore, cannot take any serious responsibility at the moment, although I may be interested in helping promote the cause of the CAPITERN alliance).

Accepted please add you are a member of the alliance into your sig.

NOTICE: First inter-alliance meeting to be held today at 10:00 AM ET.

[A White Hawk]

CUT

[The RSU]

-snip-

((OOC: You don't have IC access to that document.

Remove it.))

[Toopoxia]

-snip-

((OOC: You don't have IC access to that document.))

(OOC: Really? Because it doesn't say SIC anywhere, or even any indication of Encryption, it seems more like a general announcement. If we're going by IC here it would make sense that CAPINTERN would want to keep tabs on an alliance which could threaten it, especially announcements of war and the chatter that would kick up, at the very least we'd know something was going on, we might not know what but we'd have probable cause to implement further investigation.)

[A White Hawk]

-snip-

((OOC: You don't have IC access to that document.))

(OOC: Really? Because it doesn't say SIC anywhere, or even any indication of Encryption, it seems more like a general announcement. If we're going by IC here it would make sense that CAPINTERN would want to keep tabs on an alliance which could threaten it, especially announcements of war and the chatter that would kick up, at the very least we'd know something was going on, we might not know what but we'd have probable cause to implement further investigation.)

Exactly.

[The RSU]

-snip-

((OOC: You don't have IC access to that document.))

(OOC: Really? Because it doesn't say SIC anywhere, or even any indication of Encryption, it seems more like a general announcement. If we're going by IC here it would make sense that CAPINTERN would want to keep tabs on an alliance which could threaten it, especially announcements of war and the chatter that would kick up, at the very least we'd know something was going on, we might not know what but we'd have probable cause to implement further investigation.)

((OOC: Do you really think ANY nation would publicly announce a planned occupation via the official channels?

I thought it was pretty evident that, since it was posted in the Comintern thread and addressed to the fellow members, that it was a classified document that was being distributed through clandestine channels.))

[A White Hawk]

You still put no level on encryption of it on. So, therefore in IC we could have intercepted the message with no problem.

[The RSU]

You still put no level on encryption of it on. So, therefore in IC we could have intercepted the message with no problem.

((OOC: If adding the word "ENCRYPTED" makes such a massive difference, I'll go and do that right now.

But this is still textbook meta-gaming.))

[A White Hawk]

You still put no level on encryption of it on. So, therefore in IC we could have intercepted the message with no problem.

((OOC: If adding the word "ENCRYPTED" makes such a massive difference, I'll go and do that right now.

But this is still textbook meta-gaming.))

We still have the original message, so it really makes no difference now. I will distribute it to our friends in the IFA, Corporate Alliance, and CAG and see what they think.

[The RSU]

(OOC: Really? Because it doesn't say SIC anywhere, or even any indication of Encryption, it seems more like a general announcement. If we're going by IC here it would make sense that CAPINTERN would want to keep tabs on an alliance which could threaten it, especially announcements of war and the chatter that would kick up, at the very least we'd know something was going on, we might not know what but we'd have probable cause to implement further investigation.)

((OOC: There's quite a large difference between knowing "something was going on" and producing an exact replica of the communique in question.))

[The RSU]

You still put no level on encryption of it on. So, therefore in IC we could have intercepted the message with no problem.

((OOC: If adding the word "ENCRYPTED" makes such a massive difference, I'll go and do that right now.

But this is still textbook meta-gaming.))

We still have the original message, so it really makes no difference now. I will distribute it to our friends in the IFA, Corporate Alliance, and CAG and see what they think.

((OOC: Then I will promptly inform them of your meta-gaming.))

[Toopoxia]

(OOC: Urm, yes. You've clearly not marked it as being anything more than a typical message or announcement, no indication that it was dispatched through any channel, clandestine or no. IRL declarations of occupation can go either way, you could either do it in a private room with no access to outsiders or you could make a wide declaration in order to gain suffecient psychological advantage over an enemy.

Anyways, I'd like to propose a middle ground, as I suggested in my last post, that CAPINTERN has indication of something going down, but not what. Does this sound fair to you?)

[The RSU]

(OOC:Anyways, I'd like to propose a middle ground, as I suggested in my last post, that CAPINTERN has indication of something going down, but not what. Does this sound fair to you?)

((OOC: Totally.

As long as White stops going around, dropping copypasta on every thread about it.))