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Postby El Cuscatlan » Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:05 am

Dear NSMentor community. I have a question: is this allowed?

Some time ago Ganos Lao asked me on telegrams about me giving him one of characters from one of RPs. I said not. Recently however Ganos Lao posted here a post claiming that this character is alive - when I executed her in news few posts above. Problems are few. Ganos is not part of RP I was adhering to, and I generally didn't gave him right to RP this character.

I respect Ganos Lao as RPer despite some of our clashes caused by certain other RPer. I am just asking; is it even allowed? Not trying to offend, that is why I am seeking Mentor's consultation.

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Postby Exantos » Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:43 am

El Cuscatlan wrote:Dear NSMentor community. I have a question: is this allowed?

Some time ago Ganos Lao asked me on telegrams about me giving him one of characters from one of RPs. I said not. Recently however Ganos Lao posted here a post claiming that this character is alive - when I executed her in news few posts above. Problems are few. Ganos is not part of RP I was adhering to, and I generally didn't gave him right to RP this character.

I respect Ganos Lao as RPer despite some of our clashes caused by certain other RPer. I am just asking; is it even allowed? Not trying to offend, that is why I am seeking Mentor's consultation.

Thank you.


If you had explicitly emphasized that you killed the character then it shouldn't be allowed as that would be godmod. However you might him to explain in OOC why he did so that way you can find a peaceful solution.
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Postby El Cuscatlan » Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:25 am

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El Cuscatlan wrote:Dear NSMentor community. I have a question: is this allowed?

Some time ago Ganos Lao asked me on telegrams about me giving him one of characters from one of RPs. I said not. Recently however Ganos Lao posted here a post claiming that this character is alive - when I executed her in news few posts above. Problems are few. Ganos is not part of RP I was adhering to, and I generally didn't gave him right to RP this character.

I respect Ganos Lao as RPer despite some of our clashes caused by certain other RPer. I am just asking; is it even allowed? Not trying to offend, that is why I am seeking Mentor's consultation.

Thank you.


If you had explicitly emphasized that you killed the character then it shouldn't be allowed as that would be godmod. However you might him to explain in OOC why he did so that way you can find a peaceful solution.



I do not plan to cause an OOC fight for this. I just wanted to know if this is permissible. Thanks!
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Postby Abserdia » Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:47 am

El Cuscatlan wrote:
Exantos wrote:
If you had explicitly emphasized that you killed the character then it shouldn't be allowed as that would be godmod. However you might him to explain in OOC why he did so that way you can find a peaceful solution.



I do not plan to cause an OOC fight for this. I just wanted to know if this is permissible. Thanks!

If a character in an RP dies, you must create a new one if you want to be in the RP.
So if you executed him, without any godmod (ex. While Ganos is running away i run at 20 mph to catch him!) he must create a new character.
I'm pretty sure this is what you do.
RP Mentors can probably give a more detailed answer though.
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Keep in mind that OOC isn't just about fighting; it also allows you to coordinate with other players.
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Postby El Cuscatlan » Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:05 am

Abserdia wrote:
El Cuscatlan wrote:

I do not plan to cause an OOC fight for this. I just wanted to know if this is permissible. Thanks!

If a character in an RP dies, you must create a new one if you want to be in the RP.
So if you executed him, without any godmod (ex. While Ganos is running away i run at 20 mph to catch him!) he must create a new character.
I'm pretty sure this is what you do.
RP Mentors can probably give a more detailed answer though.


I think I need to explain it a bit. Ganos Lao is not a part of the thread where she was executed, but posted in separate thread (which is social network RP) with her "account" claiming that I have captured her body double (not being part of RP where she was executed). Second thing is that Ganos never was authorized control over this character, and I invented her and gave her to other RPer (Guadalupador) to RP (and before the execution he returned it to me).

I do not want any type OOC fight. I am just trying to check it according to NSRules if there was not - by accident of course - some rules broken. I do not want to spoil Ganos's good name. I am just ensuring.
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Postby Abserdia » Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:11 am

El Cuscatlan wrote:
Abserdia wrote:If a character in an RP dies, you must create a new one if you want to be in the RP.
So if you executed him, without any godmod (ex. While Ganos is running away i run at 20 mph to catch him!) he must create a new character.
I'm pretty sure this is what you do.
RP Mentors can probably give a more detailed answer though.


I think I need to explain it a bit. Ganos Lao is not a part of the thread where she was executed, but posted in separate thread (which is social network RP) with her "account" claiming that I have captured her body double (not being part of RP where she was executed). Second thing is that Ganos never was authorized control over this character, and I invented her and gave her to other RPer (Guadalupador) to RP (and before the execution he returned it to me).

I do not want any type OOC fight. I am just trying to check it according to NSRules if there was not - by accident of course - some rules broken. I do not want to spoil Ganos's good name. I am just ensuring.

1: If the body double was not ever confirmed in the real RP, then (s)he died.
2: If Ganos was never authorized control then you should talk with the creator of the RP you are playing in and come up with a solution.
And godmodding is something like this. And im using this from an RP i was in.
We all played as leaders and tried to take over the region we are in, so i worked with somebody to kill Argozi.
We came up with a plan in OOC to use TNT in the parliament type building and kill him.
First we blew up the underground with more explosives there, then we suicide bombed.
He acted like it was just another thing and got up shortly after that, and didn't have any limbs lost or ANYTHING.
That is godmodding, if Ganos did anything like that then you should talk with the creator of the RP or an RP mentor.
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Postby Aquitayne » Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:55 pm

El Cuscatlan wrote:
Abserdia wrote:If a character in an RP dies, you must create a new one if you want to be in the RP.
So if you executed him, without any godmod (ex. While Ganos is running away i run at 20 mph to catch him!) he must create a new character.
I'm pretty sure this is what you do.
RP Mentors can probably give a more detailed answer though.


I think I need to explain it a bit. Ganos Lao is not a part of the thread where she was executed, but posted in separate thread (which is social network RP) with her "account" claiming that I have captured her body double (not being part of RP where she was executed). Second thing is that Ganos never was authorized control over this character, and I invented her and gave her to other RPer (Guadalupador) to RP (and before the execution he returned it to me).

I do not want any type OOC fight. I am just trying to check it according to NSRules if there was not - by accident of course - some rules broken. I do not want to spoil Ganos's good name. I am just ensuring.


If the character is yours to use and you either did or did not give control or authority of that character to Ganos, then his stating the character's anything is to be considered a godmod. However, you can always simply ignore the issue and take it out of the canon, and continue to use - or not use - the character the way you wish.
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Postby Draica » Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:18 pm

Question,

Would you consider something like a defoliator missile MT or FT? It's a custom thing made by me, here's some backround:

The Defoliator missiles are a new Draican technique. It was basically a regular anti-ship missile without an exokisuve, within the Defoliator missile was a very powerful fiery charge that could burn through the strongest metals, save Adamantine and Tartarite. Instead of blow up the ships, if this hit the fiery charge would release and a burning ring of fire would spread ontop of the target it hit, most likely burning very large holes into critical parts of the target/effecting some people around it.

Another idea I have for it is that it's a certain type of warhead that releases a fiery charge. This is a unique idea made by me, and I've used it once in a MT setting and it was met with a good reception. What do you guys personally think?
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Postby Feazanthia » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:03 am

Draica wrote:Question,

Would you consider something like a defoliator missile MT or FT? It's a custom thing made by me, here's some backround:

The Defoliator missiles are a new Draican technique. It was basically a regular anti-ship missile without an exokisuve, within the Defoliator missile was a very powerful fiery charge that could burn through the strongest metals, save Adamantine and Tartarite. Instead of blow up the ships, if this hit the fiery charge would release and a burning ring of fire would spread ontop of the target it hit, most likely burning very large holes into critical parts of the target/effecting some people around it.

Another idea I have for it is that it's a certain type of warhead that releases a fiery charge. This is a unique idea made by me, and I've used it once in a MT setting and it was met with a good reception. What do you guys personally think?


Sounds like a missile with an incendiary warhead, which are modern things. Its effectiveness, however, would be significantly lessened against hard targets (such as ship hulls and armored vehicles) than it would be against soft targets (light vehicles and infantry), at least compared to standard AT or AS shaped warheads.
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Postby RPGers » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:19 am

Is it legal to create a "Godmodder wars" RP? (Basically it's a war RP, but you are allowed to godmod)
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Yea, absolutely!
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Postby Questers » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:02 am

Draica wrote:Question,

Would you consider something like a defoliator missile MT or FT? It's a custom thing made by me, here's some backround:

The Defoliator missiles are a new Draican technique. It was basically a regular anti-ship missile without an exokisuve, within the Defoliator missile was a very powerful fiery charge that could burn through the strongest metals, save Adamantine and Tartarite. Instead of blow up the ships, if this hit the fiery charge would release and a burning ring of fire would spread ontop of the target it hit, most likely burning very large holes into critical parts of the target/effecting some people around it.
It's not really an effective idea for a number of reasons.

Penetration of a modern military target, be it tanks or warships, mainly relies on "post-penetration effects" - what happens after the warhead has penetrated whatever is in question. In the first case, any anti-shipping missile will penetrate into a modern warship and explode. This will have much more serious post-penetration effects than a simple fire, because it causes structural damage - fires are very dangerous to ships, but with no structural damage, a fire is not that hard to put out. High explosive also causes fire.

Ultimately, there's nothing to stop you setting a ship alight - incendiary missiles are wholly possible - it would cause severe damage. But you have to consider which is more damaging: an explosion and a fire, or just a fire. The problem is hitting the ship in the first place, not what happens after you hit it.

This is a picture of USS Stark, which was hit by two Iraqi exocets, although only one detonated (the other, incidentally, started a fire via its rocket fuel.) As you can see, it is burning pretty badly. Ultimately the ship had to withdraw to Bahrain for repairs. It would not have been much good if it were a real battle and not an accident.

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This is a picture of HMS Sheffield, which was hit by a single Argentine exocet. Sheffield had an aluminium hull, which, while being lighter, burned much more easily. This Exocet did not explode either, but it did cause a fire, which eventually put the ship out of action. It burned for several days, in fact.

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Both of these ships suffered severe fire damage from guided missiles. You have to consider if that is the type of fire that can be started by a non-incendiary weapon, is the incendiary really required?

Latterly - the Iranian frigate Sahand was attacked with two Harpoons and two bombs. The fire was sufficient to destroy the whole ship.

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But the weapon is feasible. Not useful, but feasible. Fire is critical, but it is not worth trading the high explosive aspect for pure incendiary. High explosive is plenty good at causing fires.
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Postby Abserdia » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:26 am

So i'm guessing what the mentors are saying is don't make the rockets OP.
Like, don't make all of them reach target because most rockets don't, and if they do not all will catch fire.
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Postby Questers » Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:01 am

(IMO) any "invented" weapon that doesn't claim a capacity greater than existing weapons shouldn't be a problem. It's mainly when people make up weapons systems that offer some kind of capability in excess of what can actually be done that things start to go >PMT.
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Postby Bakhara » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:05 pm

I just created a thread for a civil war, but I don't seem to be getting any responses. I provided the information, an application, and some pictures to visualize the situation. What am I doing wrong?

Below is the link to the thread.

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Postby Questers » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:42 pm

Bakhara wrote:I just created a thread for a civil war, but I don't seem to be getting any responses. I provided the information, an application, and some pictures to visualize the situation. What am I doing wrong?

Below is the link to the thread.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=312068&p=21709821#p21709821
Players often look down on using pictures in posts that aren't news reports. You only posted it yesterday and the idea is interesting, so I'm sure it will take (it looks like it's gathering interest.)
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Postby Feazanthia » Fri Sep 12, 2014 1:07 pm

So, I actually have a question.

Anyone know a good tool that can create maps? Looking to map out the better part of a continent, as well as a city (down to possibly streets) for a combat thread.
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Postby Aquitayne » Fri Sep 12, 2014 1:11 pm

Feazanthia wrote:So, I actually have a question.

Anyone know a good tool that can create maps? Looking to map out the better part of a continent, as well as a city (down to possibly streets) for a combat thread.


There's nothing really that fits your bill. My best advice would be to screenshot a region of google maps and take the names out and make it the IC location. It's about the best you can do without actually drawing anything yourself/finding and hiring a cartographer.
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Postby Vancon » Fri Sep 12, 2014 1:18 pm

Feazanthia wrote:So, I actually have a question.

Anyone know a good tool that can create maps? Looking to map out the better part of a continent, as well as a city (down to possibly streets) for a combat thread.

There are numerious world genreators, such as this one, or you can make your own by drawing the out line of what you want on paint, going on google and searching up a topographical map like so, take a screeshot, go back to paint, paste your topographical map, drag your continent's drawing over top, and delete what you don't need.
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Postby Untaroicht » Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:04 am

Hi! I would like some advice for writing, if anyone would be willing to help. I'm in the very early phases of planning a private, PMT war RP and I'm trying to write an official-looking government text declaring war. I want this to sound and feel well-written, explaining our reasoning and casus belli for the upcoming offensive. I have a template in the spoiler below, please tell me what you think and if you have any ideas for what to write in it! :)

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Postby Draica » Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:53 am

Can PT and MT mix fairly?
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Postby Roski » Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:54 am

Draica wrote:Can PT and MT mix fairly?


It does in the real world, I don't see how RPing will change that.
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Postby Kylarnatia » Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:24 am

Roski wrote:
Draica wrote:Can PT and MT mix fairly?


It does in the real world, I don't see how RPing will change that.


Well, that does depend on when you believe the classification of Past Technology (PT) ends and Modern Technology (MT) begins. For me, personally, MT begins around about the 1980s and 1990s, as quite a few of the pieces of military technology used today by countries like the United States and the United Kingdom were designed back then, but are still actively used now. Things like mobile devices and early personal computers came out around that time as well, and although they've come a long way since then they're still the same devices in concept.

Really, it's down to the players themselves to decide what technology is classified as what era. So, in Draica's case, if he and the people he is roleplaying with decide to use what they see as both PT and MT, then they're at liberty to do so. Whether it's plausible or not doesn't really matter, as it's all meant to be non-fictional anyway, but if you are trying to be super-realistic then I suppose you should think more carefully about what you're using.

Say, for example, if you're thinking of having one country equipped with standard modern day NATO equipment going up against a country which is equipped with old Second World War or early Cold War equipment, then I think that's a situation where you could have Past Technology and Modern Technology in the same roleplay.

Like I said, it depends on what Draica defines as "PT" and "MT" and what he was looking to mix between the two.
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