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Postby The IASM » Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:24 am

New Tyran wrote:Right, how far and descriptive can I make torture scenes or anything else horrific in that matter? I can be a sick and twisted c**t when it comes to writing but I do not want to get myself into trouble with the mods over what I post if it violates any rules or guidelines on this site. I also do not want to offend other readers even if I think they are at least old enough to handle mature themes.

I've done several torture scenes for basic exposition so say why, for example if my royal family so royally messed up. One of them was the beating of a small 14 year old child (who happened to become my leader but still) - I agree it must not be lolgore. It needs to be a lot more disturbing to read, to actually make you feel disgust towards a certain character who is doing this violence. Also don't just do it for the heck of it OCCly, make sure you have context for instance they might have never felt such pain before. Also the character needs to react to the pain as well.
I hope this helps.
My post which I referenced from earlier
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20:22 Kirav Normal in Akai is nightmare fuel in the rest of the world.
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Postby New Tyran » Sat Aug 31, 2013 8:28 am

The IASM wrote:
New Tyran wrote:Right, how far and descriptive can I make torture scenes or anything else horrific in that matter? I can be a sick and twisted c**t when it comes to writing but I do not want to get myself into trouble with the mods over what I post if it violates any rules or guidelines on this site. I also do not want to offend other readers even if I think they are at least old enough to handle mature themes.

I've done several torture scenes for basic exposition so say why, for example if my royal family so royally messed up. One of them was the beating of a small 14 year old child (who happened to become my leader but still) - I agree it must not be lolgore. It needs to be a lot more disturbing to read, to actually make you feel disgust towards a certain character who is doing this violence. Also don't just do it for the heck of it OCCly, make sure you have context for instance they might have never felt such pain before. Also the character needs to react to the pain as well.
I hope this helps.
My post which I referenced from earlier


Yeah, I'm not intending to make a torture scene for shits and giggles it's for a very specific reason to make people really hate my character and is crucial for his development.

Edit: Well, not crucial but his development does contain a shit load of violence and turns him into a sick, twisted fuck.
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Postby Santheres » Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:43 am

New Tyran wrote:Right, how far and descriptive can I make torture scenes or anything else horrific in that matter? I can be a sick and twisted c**t when it comes to writing but I do not want to get myself into trouble with the mods over what I post if it violates any rules or guidelines on this site. I also do not want to offend other readers even if I think they are at least old enough to handle mature themes.


I'm just going to go ahead and tell you not to do it. I've seen a whole lot of awful torture scenes in my time on NS and perhaps only one or two instances of a decent one. You're unlikely to be in the latter set.

Also, torture does not have to be used to make someone hate a character. It's like saying "this is a bad guy, you know he's bad because he kicks puppies." Beyond being an easy way out, it requires that you apply no critical thinking to either the writing nor the analysis of the writing when reading. He's a bad guy because he kicks puppies - why would he kick puppies except to be blatantly evil? No one is just Evil like that. He has a reason, his own motives, something that justifies it in his head. Even if he is certifiably crazy, there's a reason behind it and that reason usually makes sense when viewed from their perspective.

But two important notes if you want to ignore the above:

1) For the love of God, know something about anatomy before spewing tripe.

2) Implication serves you far better than outright statement.
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Postby The IASM » Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:24 am

Santheres wrote:
New Tyran wrote:Right, how far and descriptive can I make torture scenes or anything else horrific in that matter? I can be a sick and twisted c**t when it comes to writing but I do not want to get myself into trouble with the mods over what I post if it violates any rules or guidelines on this site. I also do not want to offend other readers even if I think they are at least old enough to handle mature themes.


I'm just going to go ahead and tell you not to do it. I've seen a whole lot of awful torture scenes in my time on NS and perhaps only one or two instances of a decent one. You're unlikely to be in the latter set.

Also, torture does not have to be used to make someone hate a character. It's like saying "this is a bad guy, you know he's bad because he kicks puppies." Beyond being an easy way out, it requires that you apply no critical thinking to either the writing nor the analysis of the writing when reading. He's a bad guy because he kicks puppies - why would he kick puppies except to be blatantly evil? No one is just Evil like that. He has a reason, his own motives, something that justifies it in his head. Even if he is certifiably crazy, there's a reason behind it and that reason usually makes sense when viewed from their perspective.

But two important notes if you want to ignore the above:

1) For the love of God, know something about anatomy before spewing tripe.

2) Implication serves you far better than outright statement.

Also, agree with the above as also in both examples of torture I've acutely gone and bothered to do, I have a reason for why in this example A thinks he is good and why he's torturing B. Just don't make them alright evil.
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18:26 Deusaeuri Let me put it this way, you're what would happen if Lovecraft decided to write political dystopian techno thriller
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Postby New Tyran » Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:33 am

Santheres wrote:
New Tyran wrote:Right, how far and descriptive can I make torture scenes or anything else horrific in that matter? I can be a sick and twisted c**t when it comes to writing but I do not want to get myself into trouble with the mods over what I post if it violates any rules or guidelines on this site. I also do not want to offend other readers even if I think they are at least old enough to handle mature themes.


I'm just going to go ahead and tell you not to do it. I've seen a whole lot of awful torture scenes in my time on NS and perhaps only one or two instances of a decent one. You're unlikely to be in the latter set.

Also, torture does not have to be used to make someone hate a character. It's like saying "this is a bad guy, you know he's bad because he kicks puppies." Beyond being an easy way out, it requires that you apply no critical thinking to either the writing nor the analysis of the writing when reading. He's a bad guy because he kicks puppies - why would he kick puppies except to be blatantly evil? No one is just Evil like that. He has a reason, his own motives, something that justifies it in his head. Even if he is certifiably crazy, there's a reason behind it and that reason usually makes sense when viewed from their perspective.

But two important notes if you want to ignore the above:

1) For the love of God, know something about anatomy before spewing tripe.

2) Implication serves you far better than outright statement.


Yeah I agree with this. I'm only asking if it's ok to write graphic and descriptive scenes that readers may find unsettling and I am not just using torture or edgy bullshit to let readers know my character is evil or whatnot. Just real life me having some fun and adding some detail to my posts.

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Postby Lubyak » Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:57 am

New Tyran wrote:
Santheres wrote:
I'm just going to go ahead and tell you not to do it. I've seen a whole lot of awful torture scenes in my time on NS and perhaps only one or two instances of a decent one. You're unlikely to be in the latter set.

Also, torture does not have to be used to make someone hate a character. It's like saying "this is a bad guy, you know he's bad because he kicks puppies." Beyond being an easy way out, it requires that you apply no critical thinking to either the writing nor the analysis of the writing when reading. He's a bad guy because he kicks puppies - why would he kick puppies except to be blatantly evil? No one is just Evil like that. He has a reason, his own motives, something that justifies it in his head. Even if he is certifiably crazy, there's a reason behind it and that reason usually makes sense when viewed from their perspective.

But two important notes if you want to ignore the above:

1) For the love of God, know something about anatomy before spewing tripe.

2) Implication serves you far better than outright statement.


Yeah I agree with this. I'm only asking if it's ok to write graphic and descriptive scenes that readers may find unsettling and I am not just using torture or edgy bullshit to let readers know my character is evil or whatnot. Just real life me having some fun and adding some detail to my posts.


As far as I'm aware, the rules are that this forum is PG-13. If you can imagine what you're writing being put into a PG-13 movie, then you're good. If you think it'd be edging into R territory, then you're getting into dangerous territory.

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Postby Minroz » Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:31 am

In RP stories, how mature the scenes are permitted to the extent?

One thing I know is don't write about adult stuff explicitly. :x

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Postby Lubyak » Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:16 am

MInroz wrote:In RP stories, how mature the scenes are permitted to the extent?

One thing I know is don't write about adult stuff explicitly. :x


If you have to think, "Is this going too far?" then you've probably started to go too far. PG-13 is the rule of thumb, and while you might be able to get further 'writing' out a scene than you would showing a scene, but...remember that hinting is often better than explicitly showing. It really is a fuzzy line, and I can't really give a firm line saying, "This is ok, this is too far," so all I can ask is that you use your common sense when writing.

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Postby SquareDisc City » Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:34 am

Would you let your 13-year-old daughter or son read it? If not, don't post it.

Just an idea I thought up. /notamod.
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Postby New Tyran » Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:38 am

SquareDisc City wrote:Would you let your 13-year-old daughter or son read it? If not, don't post it.

Just an idea I thought up. /notamod.


I let my nine year old nephew watch three guys one hammer. Poor kid he's still shaken up and it was three months ago.
I'm not allowed to babysit no more...
So yes I probably would let my kid read it.

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Postby The IASM » Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:39 am

New Tyran wrote:
SquareDisc City wrote:Would you let your 13-year-old daughter or son read it? If not, don't post it.

Just an idea I thought up. /notamod.


I let my nine year old nephew watch three guys one hammer. Poor kid he's still shaken up and it was three months ago.
I'm not allowed to babysit no more...
So yes I probably would let my kid read it.

I thinks that a bad example.
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11:33 Jedoria Something convoluted is going on in Akai probably.
Transoxthraxia: I'm no hentai connoisseur, but I'm pretty sure Akai's domestic politics would be like, at least top ten most fucked up hentais"
18:26 Deusaeuri Let me put it this way, you're what would happen if Lovecraft decided to write political dystopian techno thriller
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:40 am

New Tyran wrote:
SquareDisc City wrote:Would you let your 13-year-old daughter or son read it? If not, don't post it.

Just an idea I thought up. /notamod.


I let my nine year old nephew watch three guys one hammer. Poor kid he's still shaken up and it was three months ago.
I'm not allowed to babysit no more...
So yes I probably would let my kid read it.


Ah. What a loving and nurturing caregiver.

Thankfully you'll mature before you have children of your own. That, or you'll never mature and I wish you all the luck in the world having children, period.
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Postby New Tyran » Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:42 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
New Tyran wrote:
I let my nine year old nephew watch three guys one hammer. Poor kid he's still shaken up and it was three months ago.
I'm not allowed to babysit no more...
So yes I probably would let my kid read it.


Ah. What a loving and nurturing caregiver.

Thankfully you'll mature before you have children of your own. That, or you'll never mature and I wish you all the luck in the world having children, period.


No, no way in hell am I having kids. Anyway, getting off topic.

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Postby Santheres » Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:22 pm

New Tyran wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Ah. What a loving and nurturing caregiver.

Thankfully you'll mature before you have children of your own. That, or you'll never mature and I wish you all the luck in the world having children, period.


No, no way in hell am I having kids. Anyway, getting off topic.


You were off topic with your first post. Please refrain from such commentary in the future.
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Postby Jenrak » Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:16 am

New Tyran wrote:
Santheres wrote:
I'm just going to go ahead and tell you not to do it. I've seen a whole lot of awful torture scenes in my time on NS and perhaps only one or two instances of a decent one. You're unlikely to be in the latter set.

Also, torture does not have to be used to make someone hate a character. It's like saying "this is a bad guy, you know he's bad because he kicks puppies." Beyond being an easy way out, it requires that you apply no critical thinking to either the writing nor the analysis of the writing when reading. He's a bad guy because he kicks puppies - why would he kick puppies except to be blatantly evil? No one is just Evil like that. He has a reason, his own motives, something that justifies it in his head. Even if he is certifiably crazy, there's a reason behind it and that reason usually makes sense when viewed from their perspective.

But two important notes if you want to ignore the above:

1) For the love of God, know something about anatomy before spewing tripe.

2) Implication serves you far better than outright statement.


Yeah I agree with this. I'm only asking if it's ok to write graphic and descriptive scenes that readers may find unsettling and I am not just using torture or edgy bullshit to let readers know my character is evil or whatnot. Just real life me having some fun and adding some detail to my posts.


The site has a PG-13 policy. That said, we usually don't heavily enforce it in writing unless one of several things ends up being the case:

  • You're a serial gore poster
  • You're doing it for your own amusement, and it doesn't really add much to the story
  • It has pictures
  • The others are not notified or warned beforehand

As someone who's posted stuff that's way past the PG-13 limit, it is very hypocritical of me to say 'don't post this' or 'you can't write this', but that's the rule. Additionally, in most cases there's no need to post explicit and graphic torture, since torture in writing has a very specific emotional purpose. Writing it in detail has the likelihood of compromising that suffering by instead going for shock.

If you choose to write something graphic, and it does upset someone, you're liable to evaluation and potential disciplinary action. Though this is incredibly rare (I myself haven't run into someone getting in trouble for RPing past the PG-13 rule), it still exists, so that's the caveat emptor.

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Postby New Tyran » Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:25 am

Jenrak wrote:
New Tyran wrote:[spoiler]

Yeah I agree with this. I'm only asking if it's ok to write graphic and descriptive scenes that readers may find unsettling and I am not just using torture or edgy bullshit to let readers know my character is evil or whatnot. Just real life me having some fun and adding some detail to my posts.


The site has a PG-13 policy. That said, we usually don't heavily enforce it in writing unless one of several things ends up being the case:

  • You're a serial gore poster
  • You're doing it for your own amusement, and it doesn't really add much to the story
  • It has pictures
  • The others are not notified or warned beforehand

As someone who's posted stuff that's way past the PG-13 limit, it is very hypocritical of me to say 'don't post this' or 'you can't write this', but that's the rule. Additionally, in most cases there's no need to post explicit and graphic torture, since torture in writing has a very specific emotional purpose. Writing it in detail has the likelihood of compromising that suffering by instead going for shock.

If you choose to write something graphic, and it does upset someone, you're liable to evaluation and potential disciplinary action. Though this is incredibly rare (I myself haven't run into someone getting in trouble for RPing past the PG-13 rule), it still exists, so that's the caveat emptor.

Indeed, it's all taken into consideration. Thanks.

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Postby The High Tatras » Wed Sep 04, 2013 12:24 pm

Whenever I attempt to run an RP myself, they tend to die shortly after they are launched. I think I have a lot of good ideas, but I have trouble turning them into workable RPs. I could use a mentor who is an experienced RPer to help me realize my goals. If anyone is willing to be that mentor, please TG me for more information. Ask me any questions you need answered and I will do my best to answer them for you.

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Postby Arcadonisia » Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:27 am

Quick question, So earlier yesterday I created an interest/sign-up threat for a roleplay that I would like to start. The thing is, it seems like no one is remotely interested. How can I make the thread more interesting so others will want to consider joining the roleplay?
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Postby Kylarnatia » Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:48 pm

Arcadonisia wrote:Quick question, So earlier yesterday I created an interest/sign-up threat for a roleplay that I would like to start. The thing is, it seems like no one is remotely interested. How can I make the thread more interesting so others will want to consider joining the roleplay?


Well, first of all, you haven't shown us the thread :P - Therefore, we don't know what exactly would be the best advice to give you until you do. I would go searching through your posts myself, but I'm currently short for time. :3

A piece of general advice would be to consult the RP Think Tank thread: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239275 - here, you'll be able to put forward the idea you already have and direct people to the interest thread, and with any luck people will give you feedback on your idea or might even show interest as it is.

Sorry this is more of a suggestion than it is an answer, but until I actually get to look at the thread itself, I feel there's little I can say. :)
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Postby Arcadonisia » Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:43 pm

Kylarnatia wrote:
Arcadonisia wrote:Quick question, So earlier yesterday I created an interest/sign-up threat for a roleplay that I would like to start. The thing is, it seems like no one is remotely interested. How can I make the thread more interesting so others will want to consider joining the roleplay?


Well, first of all, you haven't shown us the thread :P - Therefore, we don't know what exactly would be the best advice to give you until you do. I would go searching through your posts myself, but I'm currently short for time. :3

A piece of general advice would be to consult the RP Think Tank thread: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239275 - here, you'll be able to put forward the idea you already have and direct people to the interest thread, and with any luck people will give you feedback on your idea or might even show interest as it is.

Sorry this is more of a suggestion than it is an answer, but until I actually get to look at the thread itself, I feel there's little I can say. :)


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Postby Jogka » Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:18 am

Arcadonisia wrote:Quick question, So earlier yesterday I created an interest/sign-up threat for a roleplay that I would like to start. The thing is, it seems like no one is remotely interested. How can I make the thread more interesting so others will want to consider joining the roleplay?


It is possible that no one has seen the thread, so you may want to bump it. Also, you mention four native species, but don't name what they are. probably vital information for anyone interested. Having non-human species and what may be seen as fantasy elements is going to turn some people away. On the other hand, it will probably attract some people, they just have to seen it. Also, I would advise not making your world too complicated. You don't want people to feel like they have to do a lot of research to join your RP.

Mainly people bring their own agendas to an RP, they want to show off their nation and develop their character, or most commonly territorial expansion. Anyway, people need an IC reason for their nation to get involved, and to feel that they will have freedom to pursue their goals. I am not saying you have to let people conquer your nation, far from it. But I doubt anyone would join PurityFirst, unless they thought it had a chance of winning. Also, you have some typos and spelling errors.
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Postby Arcadonisia » Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:59 am

Thanks for the advice.
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Postby Technocracy of Panem » Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:06 pm

I just did my first Forum RP post and I want to know if you could review it

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Postby Welgium » Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:20 pm

I am probably not a very good role player. I think I have a good imagination and am able to come up with okay storylines, characters and background stuff.

I am however not a very good writer. English is not my first language and I still need improvement working on my dialog and so on.

I am also pretty controlling and can get a bit emotional at godmodding actions and illogical contributions.

I like to role play with very green nations. I try to give some directions in case of some very significant role playing mistakes. (Writing about casualties on the other side, landing vast armies on enemy shores without giving them the chance to defend against the invasion)

And to some degree I am just going along with these things.

I think there is a difference between godmodding done by an unexperienced player that only did it because he did not know any better and is willing to listen to criticism and to experienced players that do it because they want to win and are unwilling to take advice on how to avoid that.

One thing I do find a pity is that I have never ran into a nation that makes honest IC-mistakes.

I mean writing about how a character/commander or ruler makes a misinterpretation of a situation and the outcome is a disadvantage for his nation.

On the other hand I do see nations intercepting messages no matter how well encrypted. See through every IC-secret and basically acts like he is aware of everything to the slightest detail of what is written although in in-game reality he should not know any of these things.

Now I have used this nation the make a huge blunder by misinterpreting a situation that is to the disadvantage of this nation but to a advantage of my other nation, which is currently under attack for having a ruthless dictator.

But still I wonder.

Is this good role play etiquette of me or am I treating this nation to much like a puppet of my other nation by doing this.

Because I certainly would like to avoid that.

(I know. Many sentences starting with I. Hard to avoid that I think it is. Yoda-speak helps a little, feel I do. ) :blush:
My other nations are:

The Democratic republic of Davida, Stahn, Aglinean and Impovria.

Just so you know.

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Postby Ozzy » Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:19 pm

I have been told that role plays that involve racing are difficult. However, I plan to make something along the lines of a old fashioned demolition derby and I have no clue on how the OP would function in this.

Any idea on how I could start this gig through text and keep it going?
Last edited by IM Meen on Wed May 15, 1996 1:29 pm, edited 756 times in total.

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