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Postby Novograd IV » Sat Jun 11, 2011 4:06 pm

Guruda wrote:Can't go wrong with the RPG-7. Just to throw in a little bit of input the Shoulder-launched Multipurpose Assault Weapon (SMAW) is a tad heavier, so it could always be a potential option.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATADOR_%28weapon%29

Did some browsing, this looks more JSF-oriented. The only problem is the same 'disposable' rating. All the internal firing launchers have either plastic shreds or saltwater to lower the backblast, and there's no real way to replace it.
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Postby Guruda » Sat Jun 11, 2011 4:16 pm

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Guruda wrote:Can't go wrong with the RPG-7. Just to throw in a little bit of input the Shoulder-launched Multipurpose Assault Weapon (SMAW) is a tad heavier, so it could always be a potential option.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATADOR_%28weapon%29

Did some browsing, this looks more JSF-oriented. The only problem is the same 'disposable' rating. All the internal firing launchers have either plastic shreds or saltwater to lower the backblast, and there's no real way to replace it.


I like it, it actually seems pretty practical. It's a little heavier than an RPG-7, but not by much so it won't be too cumbersome. Length is great too. To solve the disposable issue, each team can have one person with a rocket, which obviously makes 3. That may be the best idea (unless you have something else) until a better reusable rocket is found.

EDIT: I found this. Biggest concern at the moment is that it requires two to operate, other than that it has power, while being light, short, and reusable. There wasn't much about that ever-so-concerning backblast, so more check ups may be needed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LRAC_F1
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Postby Novograd IV » Sat Jun 11, 2011 4:25 pm

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Novograd IV wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATADOR_%28weapon%29

Did some browsing, this looks more JSF-oriented. The only problem is the same 'disposable' rating. All the internal firing launchers have either plastic shreds or saltwater to lower the backblast, and there's no real way to replace it.


I like it, it actually seems pretty practical. It's a little heavier than an RPG-7, but not by much so it won't be too cumbersome. Length is great too. To solve the disposable issue, each team can have one person with a rocket, which obviously makes 3. That may be the best idea (unless you have something else) until a better reusable rocket is found.


Armour convoys don't come in 1, I don't like the idea of disposable launchers.

However if i got my hands on the AT-4 backblast countermeasure designs, I could quite easily slap together a design for a multi-use, indoor safe rocket launcher.
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Postby Western cuba » Sat Jun 11, 2011 4:33 pm

Question for the role play how long should Lopez's undercover assignment last? I don't want it to go to long. I don't want the mission to drag on.
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Postby Guruda » Sat Jun 11, 2011 4:57 pm

Novograd IV wrote:
Guruda wrote:
I like it, it actually seems pretty practical. It's a little heavier than an RPG-7, but not by much so it won't be too cumbersome. Length is great too. To solve the disposable issue, each team can have one person with a rocket, which obviously makes 3. That may be the best idea (unless you have something else) until a better reusable rocket is found.


Armour convoys don't come in 1, I don't like the idea of disposable launchers.

However if i got my hands on the AT-4 backblast countermeasure designs, I could quite easily slap together a design for a multi-use, indoor safe rocket launcher.


I couldn't agree with you more there with the first two points. I am not sure about it being easy to put together on your own though, my thought is that if it was easy, we would find one without much difficulty. A reusable, reliable, rocket with minimal backblast would be all over the place, or at least in my mind. I just went through a 43 page document from the US Army TRADOC about the RPG-7 and backblast countermeasures were mentioned multiple times, but it was one thing that lacked diagrams. We may just be better off going with the RPG.
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Postby Azarea » Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:25 pm

Any advice on the bio? I can honestly say I am stumped on what to write about.
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Postby Guruda » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:11 pm

Azarea wrote:Any advice on the bio? I can honestly say I am stumped on what to write about.


The beauty of a character bio is that it's all up to you. There really is nothing wrong you can write (except if it's stupid). Just create some sort of past for your character, include what they're good at, maybe what they like to do, their personality, why they wanted to be in the military, things of that nature.
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Postby Azarea » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:24 pm

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Azarea wrote:Any advice on the bio? I can honestly say I am stumped on what to write about.


The beauty of a character bio is that it's all up to you. There really is nothing wrong you can write (except if it's stupid). Just create some sort of past for your character, include what they're good at, maybe what they like to do, their personality, why they wanted to be in the military, things of that nature.

...So would parents getting killed b terrorists be too cheesey?
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Postby Guruda » Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:27 pm

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Guruda wrote:
The beauty of a character bio is that it's all up to you. There really is nothing wrong you can write (except if it's stupid). Just create some sort of past for your character, include what they're good at, maybe what they like to do, their personality, why they wanted to be in the military, things of that nature.

...So would parents getting killed b terrorists be too cheesey?


Well...to be completely honest it does sound kind of cheesy and cliche. If you were going to do that, I would say have them be victims of a larger terrorist incident, say where a decent number of people died, not a home invasion of something of the sort. If you really want to do that no one will stop you, just try to be creative.

EDIT: I literally just thought of this. Are you familiar with "Patriot Games"? Tom Clancy book in the Jack Ryan universe, also a movie with Harrison Ford. You could have your characters father be a big shot agent from Azarea, in the intelligence agency or something along those lines, whatever you have. Now in Patriot Games, this group called the Ulster Liberation Army, which is a made up Irish terrorist group (think IRA) try to kill Jack and raid his home to do so as revenge. I know I said above that a home invasion would be a bad idea, but what I had in mind was a random event. It wouldn't be as simple this way. Let's say dad goes off on an operation, and is responsible for the death/capture of an agency's member, who is of importance. The agency targets the mother as she is easier to reach, to draw out the father. There is a slip, and he gets caught up and killed as well. Your character survives by a bit of chance and luck. Might be a bit of a stretch, but if this is inspiration that's what's important.
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Postby Novograd IV » Sun Jun 12, 2011 2:51 am

Guruda wrote:
Novograd IV wrote:
Armour convoys don't come in 1, I don't like the idea of disposable launchers.

However if i got my hands on the AT-4 backblast countermeasure designs, I could quite easily slap together a design for a multi-use, indoor safe rocket launcher.


I couldn't agree with you more there with the first two points. I am not sure about it being easy to put together on your own though, my thought is that if it was easy, we would find one without much difficulty. A reusable, reliable, rocket with minimal backblast would be all over the place, or at least in my mind. I just went through a 43 page document from the US Army TRADOC about the RPG-7 and backblast countermeasures were mentioned multiple times, but it was one thing that lacked diagrams. We may just be better off going with the RPG.


It's easy to make a re-useable countermeasure, the problem would be the need to re-stock it in the fight if you wanted another round. That's likely the reason it was never designed. We'd need someone with a salt-water can strapped to their back to re-stock it or have the operating team carry an extra water bladder.
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Postby Obamacain » Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:32 am

Well Tomas always carries salt water with him to battle. :p
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Postby Marcheria » Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:42 am

Novograd IV wrote:
Guruda wrote:
I couldn't agree with you more there with the first two points. I am not sure about it being easy to put together on your own though, my thought is that if it was easy, we would find one without much difficulty. A reusable, reliable, rocket with minimal backblast would be all over the place, or at least in my mind. I just went through a 43 page document from the US Army TRADOC about the RPG-7 and backblast countermeasures were mentioned multiple times, but it was one thing that lacked diagrams. We may just be better off going with the RPG.


It's easy to make a re-useable countermeasure, the problem would be the need to re-stock it in the fight if you wanted another round. That's likely the reason it was never designed. We'd need someone with a salt-water can strapped to their back to re-stock it or have the operating team carry an extra water bladder.

Here's what you do: Try a replaceable cannister. The AT guy plus two or three more carry these things on their belts.
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Postby Strykla » Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:58 am

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Strykla wrote:Hey, I was looking at our stuff and saw we don't have any AT weapons. Shouldn't we have something like the Javelin or, at the very least, AT-4?


Or something original that's not in CoD? :eyebrow:

That's not what I meant. I do know other AT weapons. Those were just the first two that came to mind!

And now that Guruda mentioned it, the SMAW would be very good. Especially the -NE model. But the M136 is a good light AT weapon.
Guruda wrote:Can't go wrong with the RPG-7.


Actually you can. Beyond 180 meters, your first-launch hit probability is 50%. RPG-7s aren't accurate in the least. They can also be stopped easily with cage armor and stuff like that.

The RPG is also so widely used because it's cheap, and people might take that as "Oh, the JSF is using RPGs, so they must be poor" or something like that. Can't have that.
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Postby Luicinas » Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:55 am

Yeah the Luicinians use the RPG-7. Do you really want to be lumped in the same group as them?

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Postby Guruda » Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:20 am

Novograd IV wrote:It's easy to make a re-useable countermeasure, the problem would be the need to re-stock it in the fight if you wanted another round. That's likely the reason it was never designed. We'd need someone with a salt-water can strapped to their back to re-stock it or have the operating team carry an extra water bladder.

I can see that. Just to bring up another point, water is going to be pretty heavy to move around, I'm sure you have a figure about how much water is required per round which could make it or break it. I'm just thinking the weight of the AT launcher + projectile + water it may end up being a difficult scenario. If you think it can be done with minimal weight by all means go for it.

Strykla wrote:Actually you can. Beyond 180 meters, your first-launch hit probability is 50%. RPG-7s aren't accurate in the least. They can also be stopped easily with cage armor and stuff like that.

The RPG is also so widely used because it's cheap, and people might take that as "Oh, the JSF is using RPGs, so they must be poor" or something like that. Can't have that.


True, thanks for correcting me on that. One thing that surprised me a while ago was finding how innacurate the RPG truly is. Any decent amount of wind requires someone with serious experience. More of what I meant was a scenario along these lines, where range will not be much of an issue, along with the necessity of a rocket that can be fired indoors.
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Postby Novograd IV » Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:07 am

Marcheria wrote:
Novograd IV wrote:
It's easy to make a re-useable countermeasure, the problem would be the need to re-stock it in the fight if you wanted another round. That's likely the reason it was never designed. We'd need someone with a salt-water can strapped to their back to re-stock it or have the operating team carry an extra water bladder.

Here's what you do: Try a replaceable cannister. The AT guy plus two or three more carry these things on their belts.

Or not so much. :eyebrow:

if it were practical to a point where the canisters could be belt-portable, would they not be used now, by any military?
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Postby Itailian Maifias » Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:25 am

I don't know how you guys haven't killed me yet for my constant absences....


Anyhoo, is there anything I missed that needs to be addressed?
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Postby Obamacain » Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:26 am

No, get it started
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Obamacain wrote:No, get it started

Alrighty
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Postby Esternial » Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:32 am

I'm somewhere near the helicopters.

I'll just assume my guy got on without saying a single word.

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Esternial wrote:I'm somewhere near the helicopters.

I'll just assume my guy got on without saying a single word.

Go for it
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Postby Western cuba » Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:06 pm

Itailian Maifias wrote:
Esternial wrote:I'm somewhere near the helicopters.

I'll just assume my guy got on without saying a single word.

Go for it


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Postby Novograd IV » Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:07 pm

Itailian Maifias wrote:Anyhoo, is there anything I missed that needs to be addressed?


Once again a lack of weapons :(

We need a safe indoor RPG/rocket launcher that's re-usable. We're thinking about the design for one.
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Postby Itailian Maifias » Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:09 pm

Novograd IV wrote:
Itailian Maifias wrote:Anyhoo, is there anything I missed that needs to be addressed?


Once again a lack of weapons :(

We need a safe indoor RPG/rocket launcher that's re-usable. We're thinking about the design for one.


I can design one if needed......

For now now, that one you dug up the MAND.. something will work.
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Postby Novograd IV » Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:13 pm

Itailian Maifias wrote:
Novograd IV wrote:
Once again a lack of weapons :(

We need a safe indoor RPG/rocket launcher that's re-usable. We're thinking about the design for one.


I can design one if needed......

For now now, that one you dug up the MAND.. something will work.


MATADOR.

And you'd need to get the basics of countering the backblast first, pretty easy but there's no practical way to make it capable of firing multiple shots.

Just call it the MATADOR-II and we can work on the design specifics later. It will need an operator with a secondary (large) salt-water bladder (to re-stock the launcher's countermeasures)
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