Joint Strike Force (V 2.0, PMT-MT, Open)

[Strykla]

I ARE TEH HARDCOREST LOL!

I was thinking about his pic with the AK when I wrote that bit

AK is a crap rifle. RPK is a better machine gun, which seems to me what the AK was designed for, but at modern ranges in firefights the AK has horrible accuracy.

[Phonencia]

it would help if you could post a quote of someone else doing something, then a quote of me doing that same thing for a change so I can improve my behavior.....

just sayin.
the webcomics btw were rather enjoyable

You never do. fact.

Like this one?

at least I try. sometimes.
the comic btw, is epic lulz but I was just wondering,

do you ever pick on people BESIDES me in your comics? and for that matter, what did you do with your free time on here before i showed up?

[Western cuba]

AK is a crap rifle. RPK is a better machine gun, which seems to me what the AK was designed for, but at modern ranges in firefights the AK has horrible accuracy.

Have you ever fired an AK before? It's effective range is 400m's and maximum range 1,000m's. I'm taking stats from the AKM by the way. I'm pretty sure the effective range of a M4 Carbine is 500m's at a point target. So being compared they aren't much different. And the AK was long before the M4 Carbine.

[Phonencia]

I was thinking about his pic with the AK when I wrote that bit

AK is a crap rifle. RPK is a better machine gun, which seems to me what the AK was designed for, but at modern ranges in firefights the AK has horrible accuracy.

for the love of god man at least learn about a subject before you talk about it.
Gabe Suarez hit a round steel target at I believe 300 yards several times with an AK.
the AK is not a crap rifle, you are simply ignorant. It does not have horrible accuracy, its just frequently used by untrained persons (African Militias for instance) who don't really try to take long range hits with the AK. If you're trained to use an AK properly you can be very accurate with it, however, it was intended for close range not long range. the AK is, in my opinion and that of many other people, one of if not the greatest combat assault rifles ever made.
It's very easy to use, easy to clean, reliable, tough, and generally just a good gun.

[Novograd IV]

You never do. fact.

Like this one?

at least I try. sometimes.
the comic btw, is epic lulz but I was just wondering,

do you ever pick on people BESIDES me in your comics? and for that matter, what did you do with your free time on here before i showed up?

I didn't have a reason to live before you joined, so porn filled your lack of existence

I pick on you because it's easy.

[Dimoniquid]

AK is a crap rifle. RPK is a better machine gun, which seems to me what the AK was designed for, but at modern ranges in firefights the AK has horrible accuracy.

for the love of god man at least learn about a subject before you talk about it.
Gabe Suarez hit a round steel target at I believe 300 yards several times with an AK.
the AK is not a crap rifle, you are simply ignorant. It does not have horrible accuracy, its just frequently used by untrained persons (African Militias for instance) who don't really try to take long range hits with the AK. If you're trained to use an AK properly you can be very accurate with it, however, it was intended for close range not long range. the AK is, in my opinion and that of many other people, one of if not the greatest combat assault rifles ever made.
It's very easy to use, easy to clean, reliable, tough, and generally just a good gun.

For future reference against the M16 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6BpI3xD6h0

describes that M16 is assault rifle, AK is machine gun

[Phonencia]

the AK-74/47/M is/are not a machine gun. They are assault rifles but the US government and many people in general are too ignorant of the subject to tell the difference between


this


and this

[Phonencia]

at least I try. sometimes.
the comic btw, is epic lulz but I was just wondering,

do you ever pick on people BESIDES me in your comics? and for that matter, what did you do with your free time on here before i showed up?

I didn't have a reason to live before you joined, so porn filled your lack of existence

I pick on you because it's easy.

whoa, porn filled my lack of existence?
meaning my existence is better than porn?
meaning that I'm somewhat creeped out but nonetheless still excited
because novo does in fact enjoy having me around to pick on.

yay!

[Novograd IV]

for the love of god man at least learn about a subject before you talk about it.
Gabe Suarez hit a round steel target at I believe 300 yards several times with an AK.
the AK is not a crap rifle, you are simply ignorant. It does not have horrible accuracy, its just frequently used by untrained persons (African Militias for instance) who don't really try to take long range hits with the AK. If you're trained to use an AK properly you can be very accurate with it, however, it was intended for close range not long range. the AK is, in my opinion and that of many other people, one of if not the greatest combat assault rifles ever made.
It's very easy to use, easy to clean, reliable, tough, and generally just a good gun.

For future reference against the M16 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6BpI3xD6h0

describes that M16 is assault rifle, AK is machine gun

Implying AK is one weapon
Implying you're right
Implying lack of MOTHER RUSSIA
Implying lack of Russian superiority
Implying no bias against MOTHER RUSSIA
Implying the M16 A1 wasn't awful.


OLOLOLOL

[Dimoniquid]

You forgot the

trol-


I accept thank you's in chocolates and icecreams.

[Novograd IV]

You forgot the

trol-


I accept thank you's in chocolates and icecreams.

I receive criticism only from people screaming for me to stop hitting them when they're on the floor, but then I reach for the knife instead, and start stabbing them.

[Marcheria]

So....back to the IC?

[Strykla]

the AK-74/47/M is/are not a machine gun. They are assault rifles but the US government and many people in general are too ignorant of the subject to tell the difference between


this
(Image)

and this

(Image)

And you are incapable of realizing that there are light MGs, General Purpose MGs, and Heavy MGs, like the Browning.

As for your previous post, I beg to differ. The AK is used by so many untrained people because it is easy to come by. It also has quite a hard time hitting anything past 250 yards, ven with trained shooters. It is an assault rifle, and it did its job in Vietnam, but far too many people believe that since the first version of the M16 was terrible, all of them must be.
Lemme explain to you something: The people who accepted the M16 completely disregarded Eugene Stoner's recommendations. They never used a chrome-plated barrel, which decreased fouling; they didn't have enough cleaning kits so they lied to the troops and said it was 'self-cleaning', obviously not true. They issued a gunpowder that increased muzzle velocity but left far more carbon sitting in the barrel, which is not good at all. Whence the government got its crap together and made better decisions, the reports of jamming dropped like a stone. Just look at the M16A4 MWS: With regular cleaning, it rarely fails.

The AK is still a great weapon, I can't dispute that. But in today's wars, where many battles are happening over distances of 200 yards or more, the AK is simply outclassed. Even in the hands of trained Al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters, US troops completely trump them. The first M16s were really quite terrible, even with cleaning kits, but from the -A2 version and beyond, the M16 is quite a good weapon.

After all, if it wasn't, I doubt the M16 would be in such widespread use. I really do put faith in my government not to issue soldiers, Marines, and sailors second-rate weapons.

[Novograd IV]

the AK-74/47/M is/are not a machine gun. They are assault rifles but the US government and many people in general are too ignorant of the subject to tell the difference between


this
(Image)

and this

(Image)

And you are incapable of realizing that there are light MGs, General Purpose MGs, and Heavy MGs, like the Browning.

As for your previous post, I beg to differ. The AK is used by so many untrained people because it is easy to come by. It also has quite a hard time hitting anything past 250 yards, ven with trained shooters. It is an assault rifle, and it did its job in Vietnam, but far too many people believe that since the first version of the M16 was terrible, all of them must be.
Lemme explain to you something: The people who accepted the M16 completely disregarded Eugene Stoner's recommendations. They never used a chrome-plated barrel, which decreased fouling; they didn't have enough cleaning kits so they lied to the troops and said it was 'self-cleaning', obviously not true. They issued a gunpowder that increased muzzle velocity but left far more carbon sitting in the barrel, which is not good at all. Whence the government got its crap together and made better decisions, the reports of jamming dropped like a stone. Just look at the M16A4 MWS: With regular cleaning, it rarely fails.

The AK is still a great weapon, I can't dispute that. But in today's wars, where many battles are happening over distances of 200 yards or more, the AK is simply outclassed. Even in the hands of trained Al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters, US troops completely trump them. The first M16s were really quite terrible, even with cleaning kits, but from the -A2 version and beyond, the M16 is quite a good weapon.

After all, if it wasn't, I doubt the M16 would be in such widespread use. I really do put faith in my government not to issue soldiers, Marines, and sailors second-rate weapons.

Implying the AK 10x series doesn't exist.

[Phonencia]

First thing that we need to do is step away from the range, and the insidious IPSC timer. Concepts that are designed to win a gun game, or that have been dragged into the world of the rifle because Jeff Cooper wanted to sell the world on the 1911 do not belong in this discussion. Nor does the concept of beating some arbitrary time limit set by the rangemaster apply here.

The focus is simple - killing the bad guy...the adversary, without you being killed...at as far a distance as your rifle will allow...or as close a distance as is necessary by events.



This being the Kalashnikov section, we will discuss these topics as they pertain to the AK system. First, the AK sights are fine for what they are. Intended for use on the battlefield against rapidly moving enemy soldiers that do not want to be hit, they give heart problems to the Camp Perry types who see clusters in the X-ring in their sleep. The AK sights are the best SMG sights ever designed. Putting them on an assault rifle was genius. The Germans thought of that first.



But there are things these sights do not do well. Those that want to leave their rifles traditional and stock, I am with you, but understand, you are not doing yourself any favors here other than honoring M. Kalashnikov. It is 2011 and just about every fighting rifle on earth in the front lines is running some sort of optic. Why? Because optics make everything easier. And the modern optics are as thought as the rifle.



With optics we see variety and the question arises about which one....most opting for some sort of red dot sight because after all....the AK is a down the block and across the room weapon at best, right? Right? No...not at all. We have shown without any question that the AK, if properly built and using good ammo can shoot alongside any assault rifle on earth given realistic targets and realistic distances. In a class recently, I was shooting a 5.45x39 at 500 yards and hitting steel every time.



With ingenuity and demand, we see a myriad of options for mounting optics on an AK now. I will discuss them and their benefits-liabilities, as well as the concepts of this article.

just scroll to the bottom 3 lines of text. gabe mentioned he hit 500 yard targets with a 5.45x39. the AK's inaccuracy is a common overblown misconception similair to the M-16's reliability.
please note however, the spoiler I posted was only PART of an article by gabe suarez that I recieve through his newsletter. the point is, AK does not=inaccurate just as M-16 does not=unreliable jamming problems

[Strykla]

First thing that we need to do is step away from the range, and the insidious IPSC timer. Concepts that are designed to win a gun game, or that have been dragged into the world of the rifle because Jeff Cooper wanted to sell the world on the 1911 do not belong in this discussion. Nor does the concept of beating some arbitrary time limit set by the rangemaster apply here.

The focus is simple - killing the bad guy...the adversary, without you being killed...at as far a distance as your rifle will allow...or as close a distance as is necessary by events.



This being the Kalashnikov section, we will discuss these topics as they pertain to the AK system. First, the AK sights are fine for what they are. Intended for use on the battlefield against rapidly moving enemy soldiers that do not want to be hit, they give heart problems to the Camp Perry types who see clusters in the X-ring in their sleep. The AK sights are the best SMG sights ever designed. Putting them on an assault rifle was genius. The Germans thought of that first.



But there are things these sights do not do well. Those that want to leave their rifles traditional and stock, I am with you, but understand, you are not doing yourself any favors here other than honoring M. Kalashnikov. It is 2011 and just about every fighting rifle on earth in the front lines is running some sort of optic. Why? Because optics make everything easier. And the modern optics are as thought as the rifle.



With optics we see variety and the question arises about which one....most opting for some sort of red dot sight because after all....the AK is a down the block and across the room weapon at best, right? Right? No...not at all. We have shown without any question that the AK, if properly built and using good ammo can shoot alongside any assault rifle on earth given realistic targets and realistic distances. In a class recently, I was shooting a 5.45x39 at 500 yards and hitting steel every time.



With ingenuity and demand, we see a myriad of options for mounting optics on an AK now. I will discuss them and their benefits-liabilities, as well as the concepts of this article.

just scroll to the bottom 3 lines of text. gabe mentioned he hit 500 yard targets with a 5.45x39. the AK's inaccuracy is a common overblown misconception similair to the M-16's reliability.
please note however, the spoiler I posted was only PART of an article by gabe suarez that I recieve through his newsletter. the point is, AK does not=inaccurate just as M-16 does not=unreliable jamming problems

If now we're talking about the AK-107, then I agree that that is a good weapon and all-around pretty similar to the M16A4. But I'd still choose the M16 simply out of preference.

[Phonencia]

just as I would choose the AK series out of preference. my preference is for the single most rugged and generally MANLY gun in the world.
the M-16 is pretty sweet too, but cmon, it's plastic. the AK is either made of wood and metal or synthetic furniture. you can lubricate the inner workings of the rifle with dirty motor oil from your truck if you wanted to. You can clean the barrel with shoe laces with knots tied in them and dipped in motor oil.
it's just a generally all around MAN's gun. The M-16 is like a high class girlfriend you have to pamper and take perfect care of and cuddle with and love to get anything out of it. the AK, is a truck stop tramp. the safety? you dont gently flick it off, you slap it! its a metal lever! you bitchslap the safety!
that's why I love the AK, it's a gun built by men, for men.

[Obamacain]

You don't look very manly when you get your guts shot out because you were usig a Kalshnikov while your enemies were using actually decent rifles.

[Novograd IV]

You don't look very manly when you get your guts shot out because you were usig a Kalshnikov while your enemies were using actually decent rifles.

OC, for insulting MOTHER RUSSIA's superiority in arms manufacturing, coupled with your lack of knowledge of the Kalashnikov family, you might be entering Ponenenseeah territory.

[Strykla]

just as I would choose the AK series out of preference. my preference is for the single most rugged and generally MANLY gun in the world.
the M-16 is pretty sweet too, but cmon, it's plastic. the AK is either made of wood and metal or synthetic furniture. you can lubricate the inner workings of the rifle with dirty motor oil from your truck if you wanted to. You can clean the barrel with shoe laces with knots tied in them and dipped in motor oil.
it's just a generally all around MAN's gun. The M-16 is like a high class girlfriend you have to pamper and take perfect care of and cuddle with and love to get anything out of it. the AK, is a truck stop tramp. the safety? you dont gently flick it off, you slap it! its a metal lever! you bitchslap the safety!
that's why I love the AK, it's a gun built by men, for men.

I can think of plenty of more manly weapons. The Mosin-Nagant's safety is all but impossible to engage, because manly Russians don't need no stinkin' safety for a weapon made to kill! The M2 Browning is a sniper combined with a heavy machine gun so it can teabag the AK from a distance. And the M14 is sheer badassery.

I just think the M16 is better than the AK in modern battlefields, and the best Russian weapon is the Mosin-Nagant.

[Reformed Britannia]

ffs
just do it like britannians do and use tacticooled lee-enfields with collapsible stocks and rail integration systems and red dot sights

[Phonencia]

just as I would choose the AK series out of preference. my preference is for the single most rugged and generally MANLY gun in the world.
the M-16 is pretty sweet too, but cmon, it's plastic. the AK is either made of wood and metal or synthetic furniture. you can lubricate the inner workings of the rifle with dirty motor oil from your truck if you wanted to. You can clean the barrel with shoe laces with knots tied in them and dipped in motor oil.
it's just a generally all around MAN's gun. The M-16 is like a high class girlfriend you have to pamper and take perfect care of and cuddle with and love to get anything out of it. the AK, is a truck stop tramp. the safety? you dont gently flick it off, you slap it! its a metal lever! you bitchslap the safety!
that's why I love the AK, it's a gun built by men, for men.

I can think of plenty of more manly weapons. The Mosin-Nagant's safety is all but impossible to engage, because manly Russians don't need no stinkin' safety for a weapon made to kill! The M2 Browning is a sniper combined with a heavy machine gun so it can teabag the AK from a distance. And the M14 is sheer badassery.

I just think the M16 is better than the AK in modern battlefields, and the best Russian weapon is the Mosin-Nagant.

yes, and the Tsar Bomba 50 Megaton nuclear bomb was more manly than all of the above put together but we're not talking about heavy machine guns and nukes, we're talking about manly rifles. Yeah. the mosin was pretty manly, but having a shitty safety does not = manly, all it = is stupid. the M-14 is fine too, but you wanna know something? the AK uses a charging handle almost identical to the M-14! The AK can be semi or fully automatic (unlike the Mosin and M-14) it's probably somewhat lighter weight in some variants than the Mosin or M-14 as well but I cant be sure.

You don't look very manly when you get your guts shot out because you were usig a Kalshnikov while your enemies were using actually decent rifles.

wow, ANOTHER person who just blatantly barks that the AK is inferior, this time without ANY reason for it. damn, and I was beginning to think someone here OTHER than Novograd and Itailian Maifias had some level of intelliegence.

[Obamacain]

(Redacted threat) Don't troll.

[Strykla]

I can think of plenty of more manly weapons. The Mosin-Nagant's safety is all but impossible to engage, because manly Russians don't need no stinkin' safety for a weapon made to kill! The M2 Browning is a sniper combined with a heavy machine gun so it can teabag the AK from a distance. And the M14 is sheer badassery.

I just think the M16 is better than the AK in modern battlefields, and the best Russian weapon is the Mosin-Nagant.

yes, and the Tsar Bomba 50 Megaton nuclear bomb was more manly than all of the above put together but we're not talking about heavy machine guns and nukes, we're talking about manly rifles. Yeah. the mosin was pretty manly, but having a shitty safety does not = manly, all it = is stupid. the M-14 is fine too, but you wanna know something? the AK uses a charging handle almost identical to the M-14! The AK can be semi or fully automatic (unlike the Mosin and M-14) it's probably somewhat lighter weight in some variants than the Mosin or M-14 as well but I cant be sure.

You don't look very manly when you get your guts shot out because you were usig a Kalshnikov while your enemies were using actually decent rifles.

wow, ANOTHER person who just blatantly barks that the AK is inferior, this time without ANY reason for it. damn, and I was beginning to think someone here OTHER than Novograd and Itailian Maifias had some level of intelliegence.

Can we stop with the pointless arguing? It's clear none of us will budge from our opinions. Let's compromise.

[Western cuba]

Yes, Strykla has a point. We need to compromise, and actually get to the point of what this thread is about. The JSF. And the first thing we need to do is actually finish a mission in this thread.