Judea: A Region [Open]

[Trescott]

Also I'm with Ewa and Oz in their opposition to the idea of a 'feeder' region. We might as well be bringing the idea of voting 'prospect' back. If someone wants to join Judea they can submit a good app, show us their good RP's and jump on the IRC to get to know us / argue their case, plain and simple.

Essentially, i am in agreeance with Terg over there. As I reiterate on my post two pages ago, joining a region doesn't make the RPer. If they want to join Judea, let it be so when they have a firm grasp on RP and have solidified their relations with members through our IRC. It isn't hard to improve. It isn't hard to hop in the IRC every now and again. "Plain and simple" as Terg said.

A feeder region is still in the "meh" for me, but going off of what Terg has stated, it would defeat the purpose of having abolished the Prospective/Abstain options (something which a good sum of you voiced had to go). Of course, during that time, people were just using it to escape from voting "Aye" or "Nay" on applicants. One of those being me, but I digress.

Ironically, this sort of situation where the "Prospect" voting option should've actually just been that - for prospecting possible members - was already suggested by someone (I forget whom, but possibly Trivval. If I am wrong, someone correct me).

Edit: A quick hurrah as I pass into the realm of posts numbering in the thousand(s).

[-St George]

Also I'm with Ewa and Oz in their opposition to the idea of a 'feeder' region. We might as well be bringing the idea of voting 'prospect' back. If someone wants to join Judea they can submit a good app, show us their good RP's and jump on the IRC to get to know us / argue their case, plain and simple.

Essentially, i am in agreeance with Terg over there. As I reiterate on my post two pages ago, joining a region doesn't make the RPer. If they want to join Judea, let it be so when they have a firm grasp on RP and have solidified their relations with members through our IRC. It isn't hard to improve. It isn't hard to hop in the IRC every now and again. "Plain and simple" as Terg said.

The fact is not everyone can get on IRC, as some of our membership prove.

A feeder region is still in the "meh" for me, but going off of what Terg has stated, it would defeat the purpose of having abolished the Prospective/Abstain options (something which a good sum of you voiced had to go). Of course, during that time, people were just using it to escape from voting "Aye" or "Nay" on applicants. One of those being me, but I digress.

It wouldn't defeat the purpose at all, especially if someone isn't at the point where they feel able to apply to Judea. A feeder region allows for easier RPing with these nations, and the establishment of a shared history prior to joining Judea, which is a big obstacle to going from a new member to an active rper in the region.

Ironically, this sort of situation where the "Prospect" voting option should've actually just been that - for prospecting possible members - was already suggested by someone (I forget whom, but possibly Trivval. If I am wrong, someone correct me).

Edit: A quick hurrah as I pass into the realm of posts numbering in the thousand(s).

"Prospect" system was never used. Ever.

[Yohannes]

A feeder region is, in my own opinion (which of course, without a doubt, can be a wrong one), unnecessary in the case of Judea. We're, to be honest, not established yet as a solid roleplaying region.

This great region still needs to grow, as we're not yet at that level where we're at the liberty of creating a minor region, in the hope that individuals would actually hop on there, and wait.

Another issue is the very fact of the matter that such an initiative would be unfair for the players which moved into the aforementioned minor region. They will waste their time in a minor region, and let's face it, the said minor region will never be as active as Judea itself, thus without a doubt, they'll sacrifice all the connections (provided they have one or more) they already have with their region (prior to them moving to the minor Judea region).

If i am a new player, and i want to join Judea, but know that the chance that i am going to be accepted is slim, then i'll stay in my current region, instead of going to some isolated, ooc'ly boring and "minor" region of Judea. (thus sacrificing it all for well... nothing..?).

Alternatively, the easier solution would be, of course, for prospective members to hop into the IRC.. or even better? Simply by way of telegramming one or more of Judea's member (even a small "Hello/hi, my name is etc. etc. nice to meet you, i am interested in etc. etc.) should do.

In short

Marchtothefrontsoldierofthereichweshallchugourbeerandhavefunliektheresnotomorrow.

[-St George]

A feeder region is, in my own opinion (which of course, without a doubt, can be a wrong one), unnecessary in the case of Judea. We're, to be honest, not established yet as a solid roleplaying region.

What?

[Yohannes]

A feeder region is, in my own opinion (which of course, without a doubt, can be a wrong one), unnecessary in the case of Judea. We're, to be honest, not established yet as a solid roleplaying region.

What?

Pardon me, perhaps that was a wrong way of saying it, George.

We're established as a roleplaying region, but we're not yet at that level where we can easily expect individuals to, as i said previously, sacrifice their regional connection, and moved to the [insert proposed name of minor region here].

And i will have re-iterate my point again for a second time, it is unfair for these players (especially if they have what it takes to grow) to be placed in an isolated minor region. It is akin to segregation, which is just something that i will not approve.

Of course, and let me re-iterate this again; this is simply my own personal view of the whole topic. It may be wrong, George (and everyone) or it may be right, i dunno. People will have differing opinion, i guess.

If however, we can 100% guarantee that the said minor region will be a thriving community of its own (instead of that of an isolated, segregated place) then i will easily vote in favour of this concept.

Then again, if that's the case, then it will easily beat off the reason of why we're establishing the said region in the first place; that of a stepping stone to Judea, which by definition and in my point of view, which again i must add, may be that of a wrong one, simply translate to segregating the players inside the region, whilst demanding to them yet at the same time, that they must sacrifice and move away from their region, in order to join Judea, yet not being placed in Judea, in a sense, at the same time.

It is unfair to the player.

[Hegstoria]

Aye to the newest 2.

Why everyone ignore my brilliant suggestion? Instead of having it be a feeder region, we simply have Junior members.

[-St George]

Aye to the newest 2.

Why everyone ignore my brilliant suggestion? Instead of having it be a feeder region, we simply have Junior members.

WTF are 'junior members'?

[Hegstoria]

Aye to the newest 2.

Why everyone ignore my brilliant suggestion? Instead of having it be a feeder region, we simply have Junior members.

WTF are 'junior members'?

SEE! Everyone always ignores my posts! It's on the last page, I refuse to reiterate what I said!

[-St George]

WTF are 'junior members'?

SEE! Everyone always ignores my posts! It's on the last page, I refuse to reiterate what I said!

You didn't make any posts on the last page...

[Hegstoria]

SEE! Everyone always ignores my posts! It's on the last page, I refuse to reiterate what I said!

You didn't make any posts on the last page...

Woops, sorry the page before it. I didn't realize we had gone ahead 2 pages.
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[-St George]

After reading through the application, I have to give UWO's application a Nay. There is an abundant series of grammar issues in his RPs. Although having him "join" Judea and learning from the veterans of RP is a way, yes, for him to improve his RPing skills, the same can be done by simply stopping by our IRC, while not necessarily joining the region itself. Judea is a region that is built on OoC and RP. Though OoC is a dominant factor, RP is also one as well. If we ignore one for the other, than there will not be a balance of great RPers and great people in general. Joining a region does not improve RPing skills. Hard-work does. If/whenever he stops by our IRC, we shall be more than happy to help him better his RPing standards. However, before that, I will encourage UWO to find the ways and means to improve his RP before attempting to join once more.

On another note, I think this would've been the right time to use the Abstain/Prospect voting option. How wrong we were to abandon you oh great and mighty Prospect/Abstain D:.

Definitely agreed. When I said Nay, I didn't mean anything personal by it, just that UWO's grammar and writing skills in general need work. It's not an insult, it's a friendly tip. I've spouted this story a million times before, but for a while after I joined I was a god awful writer. It took the help of a great RPer (on F7 of all places (in fact IM will more than likely recall, as he had taken part in the same RP)) to really show me the err in my ways, and taught me by example how to really write. Furthermore, because of those experiences, and the recent initiatives taken on II in general, I believe that creating a whole new classification of membership may be in order, Junior Membership. A Junior Member State would ICly be a state which, whilst not physically in the region of Judea, would be both economically and militarily linked to the region. OOCly the person would be almost akin to an intern or an onsite learner, learning the basics of RPing from the Judean region as a whole through participation in regional RP's and tutoring from our best members. Being a Junior Member State would not by any means bar the nation from joining Judea, but instead would be a stepping stone on the path to joining the region. If we were to create a position like that, I would have no objection to UWO or any other inexperienced nation that may pop up in the future from joining.

This is what a feeder region would do tbh^

[Trivval]

However if we don't like them we don't have to go through the beurocratic bullshit Judea is famous for to kick them out.

Wouldn't be a large area - maybe the size of Ostro and a fucktonnage of islands, or something. Each nation picks a Judean nation as a Tutor, or vice versa, and have a set of requirements before that nation can join Judea Proper. Or something.

[New Azura]

Would you guys want outside help getting a feeder region going?

[-St George]

Would you guys want outside help getting a feeder region going?

I think that would be preferable, speaking just for myself.

[Itailian Maifias]

I personally think a feeder region is a good idea, but then again, I also see the merit behind Yohannes argument. To back him up a bit, what ever did happen to 72 hours? Isn't it stalled, still?

Aye to Dewhurst and the other dude (Not UWO)

[Anagonia]

Hi everyone,

Last night StGeorge, myself, Arkinesia, Kyrusia, GWO, UWO and Durandal had a nice roundtable discussion. Truthfully it was between Arkinesia, Kyrusia, StGeorge, UWO and myself. Either way, at some point, all of these individuals were involved in the discussion. The discussion was, honestly, more directly aimed between StGeorge and myself wherein others contributed their opinions. The subject of the discussion surrounded my recent protest of the Judea Region and its internal, unwritten policies.

I believe I explained it to StGeorge best when I informed him my belief that Tres, Terg and Solm's recent policies and hypocritical stances towards lesser members (as represented in Trescott's recent stance against UWO), are unhealthy and do not contribute to a better Judean image across the world. It must also be noted that Solm, himself, expressed to me concern that Judea might be seen as n00bish abroad and he seeks to correct this image. I've also been in privy to various other opinions, but it all comes down to three key factors as to why I am current involved in a protest of the region as a whole.

When I first joined, the first key factor came into play. I was harassed, dogged and sometimes insulted by the more veteran members of Judea until they came to know me. Despite my standing in the community and despite the fact that Judea openly invited me, the tradition of being hostile to newcomers in any sort of the fashion was the first thing I noted and desired to change. I constantly expressed this concern and, I believe, eventually it was heard. While in recent weeks this tradition has all but been forgotten, it has reformed in a new guise as the opinion of quality and betterment of individuals. This can best be expressed in Judea's ancient policy that there is a line that separates a good role player from a shitty one.

This bring us to our second key factor. The rampant hypocrisy of Judea is sickening when one compares the complaint of Veteran Judean Members to that of "newbie" NS Players. For example, the recent debacle with United World Order. At no point has anyone, before the aforementioned conversation over Skype last night, attempted to assist UWO to better himself besides myself and (I believe) a few other non-Judean nations. Therefore this led to me protesting verbally in IRC Judean policies and eventually becoming so pissed off I ended in a rampage of words. This second key factor, hypocrisy of the mind, is killing Judea. I constantly asked myself through this week long dispute (which is still ongoing) why would someone deny a player like UWO based on quality when they could be helping improve him. Why am I the only Judean actively attempting to not only improve his skills, but support him?

These questions and so many more have constantly eaten at me and have degraded my personal relations with many Judeans to date. Why would a region so famous for RP quality not attempt to actively support and mentor a player such as UWO and instead, when he is asked to submit his application by Judeans, be dogged down in hypocrisy that is represented in a Veteran Judeans refusal to even lift a finger to help improve him? It makes no sense, does it? That's exactly my issue with Judea currently and one I see that has yet to be corrected. It is amazingly obvious not only in Trescott's words, but also in the words of Solm and various other Veteran Judean Members.

Now, for clarification, StGeorge and those aforementioned in discussion are in the know of these issues and are (as I am told) in agreement. We have all committed ourselves to not only help UWO, but to halt and stop this rampant ludicrous hypocrisy that those old Judean Nations have created. We have agreed to not be afraid of newbies, to not stand idly by when a new player comes to us and actively communicates and participates in Judean affairs like UWO has. When that happens, we have agreed to meet that person (like UWO) halfway and help him reach the other side of improvement by assisting him.

You Judeans, those of you who dare say otherwise to this and dare criticize UWO and any other newbie nation that has attempted to bridge the gap should be ashamed of yourselves.

Look at you. YOU ARE THE THIRD KEY FACTOR. This order of old bloods that is here in Judea must realize that their policies, created years ago in standard NS Practice, do not qualify anymore. You cannot simply criticize someone for the quality of their role playing anymore. To do so makes you an elitist idiot. You have to have a damn good reason for doing so and especially if that newbie player has already tried to reach out to you. Very much like UWO has. You see, UWO has for several weeks now been in the Judea IRC and in open communication with Judea Players. He has contributed ideas, talked with everyone and has been an amazing player and person. Yet the moment he seeks admission and help from you old bags in Judea, he is spit on like dirt because he just isn't good enough, or in Solm's and Tres' case will degrade Judea's image.

WELL I say unto you this SHALL END NOW. No more. No more of these old blood policies. It ends HERE, it ends NOW. Your wrongdoing shall not be on my hands as a member of this region. I believe that those whom I have spoken to will say the same. Keep your opinions to yourself, old bloods. Never once did you attempt to bridge the gap to support this up and coming role player. The only thing you did was spit on him with your words of caution and demise. If you truly are Judean, I call you out now. Man up, woman up, and start helping those prospect and applicant nations that are trying to reach out. DO NOT spit in their faces just because you're afraid of their presence or their quality. If that's the case, help them, or simply get the hell out of the way so we can.

Now, with that out of the way, I propose the following to all of Judea. With no respect to the old bloods. With no respect to any order that currently exists. Damn this old order, bring a new one! One that supports nations, one that supports players! One that does not criticize people simply because it must, but one that gives constructive criticism and offers support! I say unto all Judean Players, now is the time to stand up, to demand this change, to say we will not take this old way anymore. We must have support for those lesser qualified players. We must have a way to give them help and support, to want to help them and support them! We can no longer sit by, point fingers and laugh! Nay, we must be active, be like the Mentors of Nationstates, be that which improves and does not degrade!

So I say unto you, are you with me? Are my Judean brothers and sisters in agreement? We throw down this old blood way of doing things. We curse it, we cast it away. No more! Now, we help. Now, we support. Now, we actively go out and become personal mentors to nations like UWO, like what I am doing, and help them improve. Now, we seek not to degrade them, but to make them qualified to join Judea! We, brothers and sisters of Judea, shall make them Judeans better than ourselves!

Here! Here! Whose with me?!

:3

Personal Note

Solm, Tres, Terg and the other old bloods. Don't take offense to this. Like I told StGeorge over voice, I have a hard time of explaining myself. So, now that we've all talked the issues out, here's my full problem and solution list. Agree with it or not, this is how I believe Judea should be in the future. I, myself, shall continue to be a Judean Mentor, a guide to help those people improve. You can continue to dog them down, to point out flaws without help. But I don't. I'm not like that. I help, give constructive criticism and much like what I'm doing with UWO I try to make them better. He's doing an awesome job.

It's sad you've used him as a placement for your opinions. Just because he is of lesser quality does not give any of you the right to dog him down like that. You should of first, at least, tried to help him. Now, I say unto you, is the time to correct this. Be better, okay?

Do better. No more of this. This is not helping Judea. Okay? Let's go forward, HELPING, not HINDERING.

You with me?

[-St George]

Those mentioned in the post above absolutely, 100% need to talk to Anagonia over skype or some similar method. He makes his points a thousand times better.

[Itailian Maifias]

If that was supposed to get me to change my vote, it didn't work and I remain unphased. If you think yelling at me hypothetically gets me to move, it doesn't. Ask my former squad.

Secondly, I voted Nay because UWO doesn't deserve membership in Judea. Judea is a regional alliance and we do have the right to set a standard that applicants must meet and I remain unconvinced that UWO has meet those requirements. I rather find it horrible that Anagonia thinks that because he is willing to learn and has been on the IRC, he should automatically get membership. Hayaba was willing to learn, you wanna induct him as a honorary member?

Simply put, go ahead Ana, work with the dude, power to ya. But I am not voting Aye on him nor do I think anyone should until he comes back with better roleplaying examples, because if we admit him simply because he told you he'd pretend listen to your teaching TG's, Skype conversations, whatever, how is that fair to all of the current Judeans who had to wait and refine their skills before they could be admitted? And the answer is it wouldn't be, so what, you want to champion the cause of admitting people because they are willing to learn and are on a IRC channel?
If you want that, go to the NS Trainers and Mentors, not Judea.

So end the raging

[Hegstoria]

Definitely agreed. When I said Nay, I didn't mean anything personal by it, just that UWO's grammar and writing skills in general need work. It's not an insult, it's a friendly tip. I've spouted this story a million times before, but for a while after I joined I was a god awful writer. It took the help of a great RPer (on F7 of all places (in fact IM will more than likely recall, as he had taken part in the same RP)) to really show me the err in my ways, and taught me by example how to really write. Furthermore, because of those experiences, and the recent initiatives taken on II in general, I believe that creating a whole new classification of membership may be in order, Junior Membership. A Junior Member State would ICly be a state which, whilst not physically in the region of Judea, would be both economically and militarily linked to the region. OOCly the person would be almost akin to an intern or an onsite learner, learning the basics of RPing from the Judean region as a whole through participation in regional RP's and tutoring from our best members. Being a Junior Member State would not by any means bar the nation from joining Judea, but instead would be a stepping stone on the path to joining the region. If we were to create a position like that, I would have no objection to UWO or any other inexperienced nation that may pop up in the future from joining.

This is what a feeder region would do tbh^

Yeah... But I like what I said more because I said it...

Hi everyone,

Last night StGeorge, myself, Arkinesia, Kyrusia, GWO, UWO and Durandal had a nice roundtable discussion. Truthfully it was between Arkinesia, Kyrusia, StGeorge, UWO and myself. Either way, at some point, all of these individuals were involved in the discussion. The discussion was, honestly, more directly aimed between StGeorge and myself wherein others contributed their opinions. The subject of the discussion surrounded my recent protest of the Judea Region and its internal, unwritten policies.

I believe I explained it to StGeorge best when I informed him my belief that Tres, Terg and Solm's recent policies and hypocritical stances towards lesser members (as represented in Trescott's recent stance against UWO), are unhealthy and do not contribute to a better Judean image across the world. It must also be noted that Solm, himself, expressed to me concern that Judea might be seen as n00bish abroad and he seeks to correct this image. I've also been in privy to various other opinions, but it all comes down to three key factors as to why I am current involved in a protest of the region as a whole.

When I first joined, the first key factor came into play. I was harassed, dogged and sometimes insulted by the more veteran members of Judea until they came to know me. Despite my standing in the community and despite the fact that Judea openly invited me, the tradition of being hostile to newcomers in any sort of the fashion was the first thing I noted and desired to change. I constantly expressed this concern and, I believe, eventually it was heard. While in recent weeks this tradition has all but been forgotten, it has reformed in a new guise as the opinion of quality and betterment of individuals. This can best be expressed in Judea's ancient policy that there is a line that separates a good role player from a shitty one.

This bring us to our second key factor. The rampant hypocrisy of Judea is sickening when one compares the complaint of Veteran Judean Members to that of "newbie" NS Players. For example, the recent debacle with United World Order. At no point has anyone, before the aforementioned conversation over Skype last night, attempted to assist UWO to better himself besides myself and (I believe) a few other non-Judean nations. Therefore this led to me protesting verbally in IRC Judean policies and eventually becoming so pissed off I ended in a rampage of words. This second key factor, hypocrisy of the mind, is killing Judea. I constantly asked myself through this week long dispute (which is still ongoing) why would someone deny a player like UWO based on quality when they could be helping improve him. Why am I the only Judean actively attempting to not only improve his skills, but support him?

These questions and so many more have constantly eaten at me and have degraded my personal relations with many Judeans to date. Why would a region so famous for RP quality not attempt to actively support and mentor a player such as UWO and instead, when he is asked to submit his application by Judeans, be dogged down in hypocrisy that is represented in a Veteran Judeans refusal to even lift a finger to help improve him? It makes no sense, does it? That's exactly my issue with Judea currently and one I see that has yet to be corrected. It is amazingly obvious not only in Trescott's words, but also in the words of Solm and various other Veteran Judean Members.

Now, for clarification, StGeorge and those aforementioned in discussion are in the know of these issues and are (as I am told) in agreement. We have all committed ourselves to not only help UWO, but to halt and stop this rampant ludicrous hypocrisy that those old Judean Nations have created. We have agreed to not be afraid of newbies, to not stand idly by when a new player comes to us and actively communicates and participates in Judean affairs like UWO has. When that happens, we have agreed to meet that person (like UWO) halfway and help him reach the other side of improvement by assisting him.

You Judeans, those of you who dare say otherwise to this and dare criticize UWO and any other newbie nation that has attempted to bridge the gap should be ashamed of yourselves.

Look at you. YOU ARE THE THIRD KEY FACTOR. This order of old bloods that is here in Judea must realize that their policies, created years ago in standard NS Practice, do not qualify anymore. You cannot simply criticize someone for the quality of their role playing anymore. To do so makes you an elitist idiot. You have to have a damn good reason for doing so and especially if that newbie player has already tried to reach out to you. Very much like UWO has. You see, UWO has for several weeks now been in the Judea IRC and in open communication with Judea Players. He has contributed ideas, talked with everyone and has been an amazing player and person. Yet the moment he seeks admission and help from you old bags in Judea, he is spit on like dirt because he just isn't good enough, or in Solm's and Tres' case will degrade Judea's image.

WELL I say unto you this SHALL END NOW. No more. No more of these old blood policies. It ends HERE, it ends NOW. Your wrongdoing shall not be on my hands as a member of this region. I believe that those whom I have spoken to will say the same. Keep your opinions to yourself, old bloods. Never once did you attempt to bridge the gap to support this up and coming role player. The only thing you did was spit on him with your words of caution and demise. If you truly are Judean, I call you out now. Man up, woman up, and start helping those prospect and applicant nations that are trying to reach out. DO NOT spit in their faces just because you're afraid of their presence or their quality. If that's the case, help them, or simply get the hell out of the way so we can.

Now, with that out of the way, I propose the following to all of Judea. With no respect to the old bloods. With no respect to any order that currently exists. Damn this old order, bring a new one! One that supports nations, one that supports players! One that does not criticize people simply because it must, but one that gives constructive criticism and offers support! I say unto all Judean Players, now is the time to stand up, to demand this change, to say we will not take this old way anymore. We must have support for those lesser qualified players. We must have a way to give them help and support, to want to help them and support them! We can no longer sit by, point fingers and laugh! Nay, we must be active, be like the Mentors of Nationstates, be that which improves and does not degrade!

So I say unto you, are you with me? Are my Judean brothers and sisters in agreement? We throw down this old blood way of doing things. We curse it, we cast it away. No more! Now, we help. Now, we support. Now, we actively go out and become personal mentors to nations like UWO, like what I am doing, and help them improve. Now, we seek not to degrade them, but to make them qualified to join Judea! We, brothers and sisters of Judea, shall make them Judeans better than ourselves!

Here! Here! Whose with me?!

:3

Personal Note
[spoiler]Solm, Tres, Terg and the other old bloods. Don't take offense to this. Like I told StGeorge over voice, I have a hard time of explaining myself. So, now that we've all talked the issues out, here's my full problem and solution list. Agree with it or not, this is how I believe Judea should be in the future. I, myself, shall continue to be a Judean Mentor, a guide to help those people improve. You can continue to dog them down, to point out flaws without help. But I don't. I'm not like that. I help, give constructive criticism and much like what I'm doing with UWO I try to make them better. He's doing an awesome job.

It's sad you've used him as a placement for your opinions. Just because he is of lesser quality does not give any of you the right to dog him down like that. You should of first, at least, tried to help him. Now, I say unto you, is the time to correct this. Be better, okay?

Do better. No more of this. This is not helping Judea. Okay? Let's go forward, HELPING, not HINDERING.

You with me?

[/spoiler]

The language you used is completely and utterly offensive. You use this overarching, broad title for everyone you have feelings against, and that is never what you should do. It makes me feel as though you're yelling at me, because I've been involved with Judea for a while now. Single out those you have an argument with, and say it outright. Don't use language like that that can be misinterpreted and misunderstood.

Now, in regards to your overarching message, I think the support for a feeder region/learning member or something similar should be enough to show you that no one here explicitly believes UWO or other NSers are totally without hope, it's just that we don't believe they should be a member of Judea as a whole until they're ready. I am all for teaching inexperienced RPers how to do it properly, that's why I made my proposal in the first place. it's just that I believe the Judean region proper needs to hold itself to a higher standard. We want to be well respected, and the best way to do that is to have members who can write, and who can write well. Furthermore, scolding members for not offering personalized tutoring is just unfair. I know for myself, I don't think I would be a good tutor. I'm impatient, harsh, nasty when I'm frustrated, I am not fully confident in my own writing skills, and I'm simply not a good teacher. Simply put, I'm not a good tutor, and if you don't think so then just watch me try and explain math to my little brother. To reiterate, I do not believe that the members of Judea are apposed to helping inexperienced members, I think that what we want is a system that would single those in need out and then help them.

If we don't have high standards, than why have an application form at all? We might as well accept everyone that walks through the door. We need standards, and we need to stick to those standards. This isn't an idea, this isn't a maybe, this is a definitive. We must stick to our standards, we must be strict, we must not bend for the first nice person that we meet. We must decline everyone that does not meet our standards and offer them the option to join our feeder region(though I hate that name)/junior membership/learners group or whatever we decide to call it.

Now in regards to any anti-newbees sentiment, I have not noticed any. When I first became involved not one word was said to me in regards to being new that I remember. Now perhaps that had something to do with me knowing Minn and Tress beforehand, but I don't think that's the case. I think that you misinterpreted joking around or things directed at you in particular. I highly doubt that people are openly hostile to new members. In fact, I've seen more hostility between older members and people who've been involved with the region for a while than I have hostilities between members and prospective/new members.

[-St George]

Those mentioned in the post above absolutely, 100% need to talk to Anagonia over skype or some similar method. He makes his points a thousand times better.

This goes for everyone, not just those mentioned in Ana's post.

Seriously, he makes his point much, much, much better with the spoken word.

[Vlack Sturm]

-snip-

i noticed most of the people you talked to are non-Judeans... I don't like the blatant interference from other regions is getting annoying for real.

edit: i take back all comments

[Hegstoria]

Alexiandra's application is now in the 24 hour consideration period, do not vote until the time is up, yadda, yadda, ya.

[Vlack Sturm]

nvm

[-St George]

Oooo I've been banned from the IRC, whoops. dgaff. all i see is modocracy.

Except you haven't been. I can post logs if you'd like?

[New Azura]

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i noticed most of the people you talked to are non-Judeans... I don't like the blatant interference from other regions is getting annoying for real.

There are some people here that can help for real, Vlack. The situation seems to be more serious than I thought possible skimming through posts this morning.