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Posted: **Mon May 02, 2011 11:46 am**

Old Tyrannia wrote:
OMGeverynameistaken wrote:I would point out that there is probably very little historical precedent for any acute Human-Elvish rivalry. We've mostly been on separate parts of the planet, save for fairly brief interactions in the mid 1st millennium. After that, human interaction with high elves was basically limited to trade with Bar min Duinath, which doesn't hold anything humans would be particularly interested in taking, and High Elves don't make very good slaves since they tend to die if they are mentally 'broken'. And if you have a non-'broken' slave, then they're just as likely to try to murder you with a carving knife as serve you your turkey.

After that, the primary Human-Elvish interface would have been along the Eastern European border with the Steppe Elf kingdoms. Discrimination against them might occur in those areas, but I don't really see there being enough High Elves in Europe to establish a firm base for discrimination against them, much less the Dark Elves who probably think of humans as semi-legendary monsters.

Goblins and Orcs, now, have been launching raids and attacks on humans from Africa for a long time, and could reasonably make up a fairly large slave population in Europe.

I'd dispute this fact, reason being that my entire nation hinges on it not being true. That said, I like your timeline- very interesting. You may be a complete asshole, OMG, but you are a genius. I think I will edit it to include Fu Lei history.

Not necessarily. While the Elvish population would have experienced a sharp decline after the fall of the kingdom, both due to lots of people running off and deaths through various causes, the Fu Lei would have had access to a large enough Elvish population to ensure their loyalty with hostages and threats, rather than immediate reduction to slave status. If introduced over time, a long time, then Elvish slaves are workable.
And whatever the Fu Lei feel about Elves, even they would have to respect the fact that one guy was able to hold a city gate by himself for a full hour against an entire army.

Posted: **Mon May 02, 2011 12:09 pm**

OMGeverynameistaken wrote:I would point out that there is probably very little historical precedent for any acute Human-Elvish rivalry. We've mostly been on separate parts of the planet, save for fairly brief interactions in the mid 1st millennium. After that, human interaction with high elves was basically limited to trade with Bar min Duinath, which doesn't hold anything humans would be particularly interested in taking, and High Elves don't make very good slaves since they tend to die if they are mentally 'broken'. And if you have a non-'broken' slave, then they're just as likely to try to murder you with a carving knife as serve you your turkey.

After that, the primary Human-Elvish interface would have been along the Eastern European border with the Steppe Elf kingdoms. Discrimination against them might occur in those areas, but I don't really see there being enough High Elves in Europe to establish a firm base for discrimination against them, much less the Dark Elves who probably think of humans as semi-legendary monsters.

Goblins and Orcs, now, have been launching raids and attacks on humans from Africa for a long time, and could reasonably make up a fairly large slave population in Europe.

Just want to comment regarding this and all other questions about slavery. Ferrum (Established in Lanitum (Istanbul) around 600 AD) and has since used elven, orcish and dwarven slaves extensivly. Dwarven slavery was abolished in 1300, but today there's hardly a free orc or elf in Ferrum.
Because of this, I obviously trade a lot in slaves as well, also through Gibraltar, but mostly within the Mediterranean Sea.

Oh, and since I control the Bosphorus Strait, I do collect a toll on ships that want to enter or leave the Black Sea.

Posted: **Mon May 02, 2011 12:22 pm**

Imeriata wrote:
Voltronica wrote:Did anyone notice that the Gibraltar strait has been "closed" by Western Averi?

just figured that be really important somehow...

Obviously so must the union step in to protect our maker given superiority in the Mediterranean.

SUPPORT. I definitely support the previous statement.

Posted: **Mon May 02, 2011 12:25 pm**

Ciloniae wrote:
OMGeverynameistaken wrote:I would point out that there is probably very little historical precedent for any acute Human-Elvish rivalry. We've mostly been on separate parts of the planet, save for fairly brief interactions in the mid 1st millennium. After that, human interaction with high elves was basically limited to trade with Bar min Duinath, which doesn't hold anything humans would be particularly interested in taking, and High Elves don't make very good slaves since they tend to die if they are mentally 'broken'. And if you have a non-'broken' slave, then they're just as likely to try to murder you with a carving knife as serve you your turkey.

After that, the primary Human-Elvish interface would have been along the Eastern European border with the Steppe Elf kingdoms. Discrimination against them might occur in those areas, but I don't really see there being enough High Elves in Europe to establish a firm base for discrimination against them, much less the Dark Elves who probably think of humans as semi-legendary monsters.

Goblins and Orcs, now, have been launching raids and attacks on humans from Africa for a long time, and could reasonably make up a fairly large slave population in Europe.

Just want to comment regarding this and all other questions about slavery. Ferrum (Established in Lanitum (Istanbul) around 600 AD) and has since used elven, orcish and dwarven slaves extensivly. Dwarven slavery was abolished in 1300, but today there's hardly a free orc or elf in Ferrum.
Because of this, I obviously trade a lot in slaves as well, also through Gibraltar, but mostly within the Mediterranean Sea.

Oh, and since I control the Bosphorus Strait, I do collect a toll on ships that want to enter or leave the Black Sea.

They would mostly be Steppe Elf slaves, since obtaining High Elf slaves would be impossible from your current position and, even if our borders met, there's a lot of desert between us which would make expeditions to get High Elf slaves (a rather pointless venture, give the risks, anyway) rather difficult.

Since High Elves regard Steppe Elves as degenerate and little better than animals at this point, we don't really care if you enslave them.

EDIT:
On the note of forcing Gibraltar open, if somebody tells the Elves that their trade interests are being threatened, they would probably dispatch a modest force to assist. Although not much, since they don't have many ships in the Med at the moment.

Posted: **Mon May 02, 2011 12:37 pm**

They are indeed mostly Steppe Elves, but any High Elves that were observed or caught would be enslaved as well. They would probably fetch a higher price!

Posted: **Mon May 02, 2011 12:48 pm**

Jbeil wrote:SUPPORT. I definitely support the previous statement.

Indeed, while the union have been soft on our foreign policy so far so is this to much of a risk to pass up, the Gibraltar strait should be ours!

Posted: **Mon May 02, 2011 1:25 pm**

Imeriata wrote:
Jbeil wrote:SUPPORT. I definitely support the previous statement.

Indeed, while the union have been soft on our foreign policy so far so is this to much of a risk to pass up, the Gibraltar strait should be ours!

Indeed it should.

Posted: **Mon May 02, 2011 3:04 pm**

Name of Country:The Tribal Kingdom of Dorski
Government Type:Tribal council in correlation with monarchy
Main Racial Makeup:
45% Jaguarian Peoples
35% Macaws
10% Llama
5% Dolphins
3% Trolls
1% Andean Dwarves
1% other
Secondary Races (you can choose more then one):above
Technological Era Equivalent:1650's (for natives, obsidian weapons: sword-clubs, atlatls, bows, blowguns, and such
Magical Prowess:strong in Shamans, weak in general populace;overall moderate
Population: 7.5 million
Landclaim:French Guiana, Guyana,Suriname, sections of northern brazil
Requested Colour:

Meh

Posted: **Mon May 02, 2011 4:22 pm**

Ciloniae wrote:They are indeed mostly Steppe Elves, but any High Elves that were observed or caught would be enslaved as well. They would probably fetch a higher price!

Well, you're welcome to try that. Just TG me with the event.

Posted: **Mon May 02, 2011 4:34 pm**

So no one cares if the World Organization of the Scout Movement has been founded?

Posted: **Mon May 02, 2011 4:35 pm**

Demphor wrote:So no one cares if the World Organization of the Scout Movement has been founded?

That's fine. As long as the Fleur de Lys continues to be its sign.

Posted: **Mon May 02, 2011 4:37 pm**

Jbeil wrote:
Demphor wrote:So no one cares if the World Organization of the Scout Movement has been founded?

That's fine. As long as the Fleur de Lys continues to be its sign.

Of course, the Symbol of the scouting movement will be the fleur de lis!

Posted: **Mon May 02, 2011 4:39 pm**

Demphor wrote:
Jbeil wrote:That's fine. As long as the Fleur de Lys continues to be its sign.

Of course, the Symbol of the scouting movement will be the fleur de lis!

Then I'm fine with you creating it.

Posted: **Mon May 02, 2011 5:46 pm**

Umm. I do hope people realise that Gibraltar is part of Galla on the map.

Posted: **Mon May 02, 2011 5:46 pm**

Nicksyllvania wrote:Umm. I do hope people realise that Gibraltar is part of Galla on the map.

It is? Well then, I guess it's not closed...Right?

Posted: **Mon May 02, 2011 7:41 pm**

Nicksyllvania wrote:Umm. I do hope people realise that Gibraltar is part of Galla on the map.

Well I posted like 8 times on this thread if anyone owned it, no one spoke up so I TGed the nearest nation I saw with was Volt, he said he was cool and thus I claimed it

And I was wondering when people are going to notice that I took the Straight and closed it

Posted: **Mon May 02, 2011 8:29 pm**

WTF Nick got deated AGAIN?

I swear the zionist overlords must be working overtime.

Posted: **Mon May 02, 2011 8:49 pm**

OMGeverynameistaken wrote:WTF Nick got deated AGAIN?

I swear the zionist overlords must be working overtime.

yeah, I just noticed.

I wonder what he did this time

Posted: **Mon May 02, 2011 9:00 pm**

Western Averi wrote:
Nicksyllvania wrote:Umm. I do hope people realise that Gibraltar is part of Galla on the map.

Well I posted like 8 times on this thread if anyone owned it, no one spoke up so I TGed the nearest nation I saw with was Volt, he said he was cool and thus I claimed it

And I was wondering when people are going to notice that I took the Straight and closed it

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Posted: **Tue May 03, 2011 1:43 am**

Jbeil wrote:It is? Well then, I guess it's not closed...Right?

Not jet anyway... something that needs to be taken care of!

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2011 4:36 am**

???

I was gone for ONE week and the OP was deleted! One week! OK what happened? Is this still going on? Who's the new OP?

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2011 7:22 am**

Well, I see Nick got deleted again. Sigh. Well, there shouldn't be a problem to go on. This is, after all, a very free RPG, so we don't need a GM (not that he acted as a GM, only answering questions and settling fights in the OOC, but we could always appoint someone else to do that).

OMGeverynameistaken wrote:
Ciloniae wrote:They are indeed mostly Steppe Elves, but any High Elves that were observed or caught would be enslaved as well. They would probably fetch a higher price!

Well, you're welcome to try that. Just TG me with the event.

Well... I don't have an event planned, but if I think of something, expect a TG!

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2011 12:36 pm**

I've spoken to Nick in the IRC and, per his request, have created new threads:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=110641&p=5543016
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=110642&p=5543031

I'm only doing updates to these and approvals of new players. Any actual policy changes will come from Nick himself.

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2011 12:39 pm**

So, we're continuing the RPs there? Do we need to reapply? Will Nick come back?

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2011 12:42 pm**

The RP never ended, it's just a change of venue. No need to reapply. Although if you aren't in the OP, please say so and give me a link to your approval (or, if you need approval, give me a link to your application.)

According to Nick, he'll be taking his primary roleplaying over to Statesmanship, but will leave a puppet here to keep this RP up.

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