Sovereign Empires Coalition (Main Thread v4)

[The Matthew Islands]

Mexico shoul;d have taken Germany's offer :/

LolMexico.

Could the Mexican Army have taken on the Royal Navy and the US?

[Third Mexican Empire]

Jbeil shut up.

You speak lies.

The Mexican Cession belongs to mexico dammit

Wow, it seems like I struck a nerve.

Nah, Mexico was going to lose...

Besides, they have practically reclaimed them, even if not officially...
Many of the States ceded by Mexico will soon become mostly Mexican...

suck it america

[Third Mexican Empire]

Mexico shoul;d have taken Germany's offer :/

LolMexico.

Could the Mexican Army have taken on the Royal Navy and the US?

Of course, Mexican soldiers are the best soldiers, and you know it

Who needs morale when we have tequila

[Jbeil]

Mexico shoul;d have taken Germany's offer :/

LolMexico.

Could the Mexican Army have taken on the Royal Navy and the US?

And the French...Just thought I should add that...

[The Matthew Islands]

And the French...Just thought I should add that...

Of course, but since the British had a lot of stuff in the Caribbean, they probably would have taken the brunt.

[Third Mexican Empire]

Of course, Mexican soldiers are the best soldiers, and you know it

Who needs morale when we have tequila

[Jbeil]

And the French...Just thought I should add that...

Of course, but since the British had a lot of stuff in the Caribbean, they probably would have taken the brunt.

True, we weren't as present in the Americas as you, but we were in Guadeloupe, Martinique, French Guyana...

[The Matthew Islands]

True, we weren't as present in the Americas as you, but we were in Guadeloupe, Martinique, French Guyana...

And to be fair, the French navy actions in the war were relatively limited. They performed vital action in the Dardanelles and Mediterranean, but at the start of the war, the French navy was smaller than the British, Germans and I think Russian and contained relatively few modern ships.

[Third Mexican Empire]

Of course, but since the British had a lot of stuff in the Caribbean, they probably would have taken the brunt.

True, we weren't as present in the Americas as you, but we were in Guadeloupe, Martinique, French Guyana...

We would have eventually conquered that too

[The Matthew Islands]

BTW, has anyone seen Italian Mafias?

[Jbeil]

True, we weren't as present in the Americas as you, but we were in Guadeloupe, Martinique, French Guyana...

And to be fair, the French navy actions in the war were relatively limited. They performed vital action in the Dardanelles and Mediterranean, but at the start of the war, the French navy was smaller than the British, Germans and I think Russian and contained relatively few modern ships.

Yeah...We were definitely smaller than the British and German, but we were larger and more powerful than the Russians.
We were an important player in the Mediterranean, along with the British at Malta and Gibraltar.
But, most of the battles didn't happen there, and we didn't participate up in the north much, because...Well...We were weaker than the two major players, and couldn't do much.
Anyway, we still helped.

[Third Mexican Empire]

BTW, has anyone seen Italian Mafias?

Didn't he post a few pages back?

[The Matthew Islands]

BTW, has anyone seen Italian Mafias?

Didn't he post a few pages back?

Yeah about 3 days ago cus he started an RP in one of his colonies and I am waiting for a map...

@Jbeil, the French didn't operate in the north much because the British had promised to protect the north coast.

[Jbeil]

Didn't he post a few pages back?

Yeah about 3 days ago cus he started an RP in one of his colonies and I am waiting for a map...

@Jbeil, the French didn't operate in the north much because the British had promised to protect the north coast.

Yup, as I said, too weak to participate, so might as well give the task over to Britain.

[Castleclose]

Well if we are bringing up History of our nations in the Modern European period...

Delivered in scores

1789 - bad weather stops the French from landing. Rest of the country still rebels. There is a mass Grave in Dublin for the rebels. Britain 1 - Ireland 0

1801 - Act of Union. Dissolving of any semblence of Irish power in Ireland. Britain 2 - Ireland 0

1829 - Catholic Releif Act. Civil rights given to Catholics. Britain 2 - Ireland 1

1850's - Potato Famine. Mass emigration and starvation. Britain 2 - Ireland - 1 USA - 1 (Immigration brings them onto the scoreboard)

1860's - US Civil War brakes out. Irish Immigrants are pressed into service on departing the boats in New York. Another failed rebellion in Ireland and failed invasion of Canada. Britain 4 - Ireland - 1 USA - 2 (USA leaves now)

1870 - 1914 Home Rule bill tries to get us our own government again. Increased tensions threaten Civil War. Civil War narrowly averted by some Austrian guy getting shot. Britain 5 - Ireland 2

1915 - Irish forces deploy to the continent to help Britain. Thousands die. Britain 6 - Ireland 2

1916 - Battle of the Somme. Senseless loss of Irish life. Easter Rising. Senseless loss of Irish life. Bungled crackdown leads to rising Anti-British sentiment in Ireland. Britain 6 - Ireland 3

1917'n'1918 - Conscription in Ireland avoided. Britain 6 - Ireland 4

1919 - Sinn Fein come to power. Britain gets Irish pleas ignored at Versailles. Beginning of War of Independence. Senseless loss of Irish and British life.
Britain 7 - Ireland 5

1921 - War ends. 26 County Ireland granted. 6 County Northern Ireland Created. Civil War breaks out. Much loss of life.
Britain 7 - Ireland 6

1922 - Civil War ends. Only capable Politicians killed during it. Ireland enters depression. Britain 7 - Ireland -6

1922 - 1939 Britain enters a recession before digging it's way out and avoiding constitutional crisis by having fair and balanced leadership. Stands up against Nazi Germany. Ireland dives deeper into recession and constitutional crisis due to incompetent and dictatorial leader. Britain 10 - Ireland 6

1939 - 1945 Britain fights Valiantly to defeat Nazi Germany. Ireland in WW2 is BY ORDER OF THE IRISH CENSORSHIP BOARD THERE IS NO CONFLICT IN EUROPE. Britain 15 - Ireland 6

1946 - Britain hunts Nazi War criminals and tries to help misplaced Jews. Ireland welcomes Nazi War Criminals and dispels Jews.

Final Result:

Britain 20 - Ireland 6

[Jbeil]

-SNIP-

[Finium]

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The Sovereign Empires Coalition Directors Office

To:The United League of Nations
From:The Sovereign Empires Coalition

As the Senior Director of The Sovereign Empires Coalition

I am delighted to hear that the United League of Nations has decided to agree to open trade with the Sovereign Empires Coalition

And their acceptance of a Non Aggression Pact with the Sovereign Empires Coalition

Hopefully both of our alliances members shall reap the benefits of these agreements

Signed
Felicia Amandil
Director of SEC
Queen of Bladia

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From:The United League of Nations
To:The Sovereign Empires Coalition

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Most honored Lady,

We welcome to opportunity to build strong bonds with our sovereign colleagues and are jubilant that you agree with our wish for diplomatic understanding.

As councilor it is my pleasure to see these ties being built under my humble leadership.

We pray both of our alliances members shall reap the bountiful benefits stemming from these agreements.

Signed,
Emperor Andracula
Councilor of the ULN
Lord of Finium

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[Kylarnatia]

Right. I've just cycled through the thread to see all this woo-ha about how apparantly the 'USA' helped us win the war. Now, I do believe that is partly true, but not all. I feel like I have to go through my opinions simply because if I didn't, The Western Russians would. However, seeing as he's not here - and we're in the same GCSE History Class - I might aswell take the gauntlet...

I'd like to point out several things in the discussion that took place. For instance, I do think its key to understand that America was already supplying Britain and France with armaments (which, for the record, were sometimes inefficient in the trenches; thank you very much) however that still kept all are men well armed circa 1915-1918. BUT it is crucial to understand that your entry in 1917 didn't make much all a diffrence, as believe it or not Germany was already beginning to starve its troops and people. Muntinys were becoming common, and their allies were also beginning to crumble from within. So, they didn't start running just because you appeared, but because they had no more food and they lost all respect for the leadership of the Kaiser. Remember, even when you appeared, we still sat still for almost another solid year.

Another reason why they suffered was because of the Spanish Flu Pandemic. All this could have been avoided by Germany, if they hadn't done so much quick spending. That is how they began to run out on supplies such as food, because they simply didn't have the money.

The reason they progressed on the Eastern (Russian) Front was for a few reasons. Firstly, they had Austria-Hungary close by. Secondly, the Russians had jumped too quickly into the fire even though their first attacks seemed very successful. Thirdly, the Russian High Command was full of aristocrats who didn't know what they were doing and Finally, because of the Bolshevik Threats back in St. Petersburg and various other areas of Russia. Plus, the Russian Army was also poorly trained and equipped. Sheer numbers doesn't help win wars anymore.

I now take this quote from Celis;

"After the German march on Paris was brought to a halt, the Western Front settled into a static battle of attrition with a trench line that changed little until 1917."

"Throughout 1915–17, the British Empire and France suffered more casualties than Germany, because of both the strategic and tactical stances chosen by the sides."

So the Germans were not only fighting a war with the French and the British at this time... But they were also fighting the Russians. And they still managed to retain a foothold deep in your country and inflict more casualties on your men.

As I stated above, they only beat the Russians due to having Austria-Hungary close by and that the Russians had a High Command full of idiots and that they were having Revolutions back home. Even when they moved all their soliders from there to the Western Front, they still moved no further until they made a last ditch attempt in 1917-1918, which eventually broke them and let the allies steamroll forward.

However, don't think the American High Command had any positive pulse on the war when they came in straight away, as they followed the British and French example and also sent their men into the bullets without planning anything out. You had just as little as us by the beginning of 1918. And you'd only been their one year, such is trench warfare with Generals who had no idea of the conditions, no?

"On 3 May 1917, during the Nivelle Offensive, the weary French 2nd Colonial Division, veterans of the Battle of Verdun, refused their orders, arriving drunk and without their weapons."

Highly Trained? 20,000 French soldiers deserted.

It didn't matter how well you were trained, this warfare was a new type of warfare, and still strange to many people even to people who had been there since 1914. It didn't matter how much training the men of all sides were given (which was very little) - they were all vulnarable to dieing and easily breaking and deserting. This happened on the German side too, believe it or not, they only killed more within the first few years because they were better equipped due to mass spending which was their ultimate demise, that and the Allied High Command didn't make any serious battle plans till October 1917 - November 1918.

And thats only because they started to get heavily critized by the Home Front, not the Americans joining. They knew if they lost the support of the people at home, they'd truely be screwed. So they finally decided to sit down and think.

"After the sinking of seven U.S. merchant ships by submarines and the publication of the Zimmerman telegram, Wilson called for war on Germany, which the U.S. Congress declared on 6 April 1917."

"Western Front settled into a static battle of attrition with a trench line that changed little until 1917."

Enough said?

As I said, the Germans were beginning to starve and suffer from mass debt and Pandemic, and many mutinies. When you arrived, you still chucked your men over the top like they were nothing else and lost quite a few men within that year. One of the main offensive reasons for advance was due to the the sappers in the tunnels (Who, were mainly of British Origin) who used to dig right under the German lines, risking their lives no doubt of being caved in and found, and planted explosives which leave massive devistation in the landscape, still exsisting today.

A tactical advantage was also securing the town of Ypre, which I have visited, and that was mainly conquered by British and French troops when they thought things through. I'm afraid you were too late for that one

So, in the end yes you helped for supplying us, but your involvement changed little apart from making you choose to turn to isolationism, which was one of the major flaws in the League of Nations which assisted to the beginning to World War II. Not the only reason, but one of them. So you did just as much harm then good, just like every other country involved in the war. So I'm not critizing America, just stating the fact that you too have made bad decisions during the Great War just like Britain and France.

I believe now my statement is over, and I know this was all on the last page - but seeing the words America saved your butts! (Not exact words, but thats what they obviously meant) really made me want to explain, as I think The Western Russians probably would have.

[Redzon]

Not to break the mood here, but does anyone study International Relations/Studies here?

[Of the Quendi]

Not to break the mood here, but does anyone study International Relations/Studies here?

No Political Science. Had something about it though. Mostly centered around european politics. Why?

[St George of England]

Not to break the mood here, but does anyone study International Relations/Studies here?

No Political Science. Had something about it though. Mostly centered around european politics. Why?

Same, basically, although my second year was more focused on comparing British and American.

[Of the Quendi]

No Political Science. Had something about it though. Mostly centered around european politics. Why?

Same, basically, although my second year was more focused on comparing British and American.

I am on my first year. Next year appear to focus a lot on economy, both micro and macro, as well as public policy and comparitive politics.

[Aquilinia]

A friend of mine (or rather, the girl I fancy) wants to study international relations...while I myself plan to go into diplomacy, as consular secretary (that would be the translation of the German term, Konsularsekretär; I don't know what the English term is). So, if NS still exists in four years (training is three years, starting summer 2012 because I was too late to apply for starting this year) expect some badass embassy threads from me

[Trivval]

Sorry, but I HAVE to do this. I actully rofl'd.

[Aquilinia]

Sorry, but I HAVE to do this. I actully rofl'd.

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It's soooo old, too.