Workers International (MT/PMT Alliance)

[Democratic Koyro]

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There is the OOC Thread to the International Conference of Socialists

as promised.

In character thread =

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[Makaivellia]

Membership/Protected State Application Form

Full nation name: The Communist Yuzar Confederation
Population: 1.548 Billion
Desired Membership type (Protected State/Full): Full
Your present relationship with alliance members: Neutral
National leader's title: Premier Machiavellion
Type of Political system: Marxist Communist Republican Democracy
Type of Economic System: Isolated, slowly recovering from very long Depression
State ideology (if applicable): Machiavellian

Link to Factbook (if applicable): TG for info
Current wars?(if any): None as of know
Military Alliances that you are a member of(if any): Bone
Role Play Examples (please give at least two examples if possible, along with links to those examples): TG for info
Additional Information that you wish to add: Makaivellia currently is occupying many nations to try and keep war from happening. There at least 520,000 troops overseas.

[Socorra]

The Workers' Revolutionary Councils of the Greater Socorran Socialist Commune
Official Communication

While at present the Workers' Commune is unable to provide, as a matter of security, a wealth of information about itself, it is able to apply for a confidential organisational-level membership of the Workers' International with the hope of promotion to full membership upon the Revolution's successful completion.

Full name of organisation/government: The Workers' Revolutionary Councils of the Greater Socorran Socialist Commune (the Workers' Commune).
Number of members: Over 9000.
Your present relationship with pact members: None.
Ideology and/or Political Stance: Revolutionary socialism.
Your present situation: Guerilla warfare within the Las Altas mountains.

Link to a source of information on yourselves (if that is not possible, please provide what you can here):Link.
Role Play Examples (please give at least two examples if possible, along with links to those examples): Guns and Will.
Solitude in the Time of Damnation.
Additional Information that you wish to add: N/A.

-C.

[Osea 767]

OOC: First, I wish to thank Koyro for his work in creating the conference thread. I greatly appreciate it.

But it must not be wasted. I implore the many members who have not attended so far to, if possible, participate in the Conference.

Also, the two applications for membership have been accepted.

[Radictistan]

The conference is a bit too extreme for the legal Radictistani socialist parties.

[Democratic Koyro]

The conference is a bit too extreme for the legal Radictistani socialist parties.

OOC: There's plenty of Democratic Socialists and Social Democrats attending

[Radictistan]

The conference is a bit too extreme for the legal Radictistani socialist parties.

OOC: There's plenty of Democratic Socialists and Social Democrats attending

Ok. I'll put together a delegation when my internet connection stops being so finicky.

[Socorra]

On the GSSC, addressed to the Pact of Santiago and the Workers' International,

The Pact of Santiago and the Workers' International functional relationship with the terrorist cell of the Greater Socorran Socialist Commune, or the Workers' Commune is an outrageous breach of the formerly cordial and peaceful association between the Republic of Socorra and the socialist world, violating the national sovereignty of Socorra and the explicit mandate of the Republican Government from the Socorran citizenry. The GSSC is an existential threat to Socorra's political stability, and wholeheartedly opposes all democratic principles as it demands the imposition of autocracy in the Republic.

The Republican Government cannot tolerate external support of internal terrorist organisations, acting for its citizens' security and freedoms. The socialist world's endorsement of the GSSC is an unacceptable and immoral act, expressing its determination to expand its own international political influence with no consideration of popular consensus. The support of terrorism is outright terrorism in itself, and the Republican Government hopes it will not have to classify the socialist world as a terrorist network.

Therefore, the Pact of Santiago and the Workers' International are presented with this ultimatum: expel the GSSC from all positions in the organisation and sever all ties with the GSSC within 24 hours. If this does not occur, the Republican Government will consult with the Gholgoth Regional Alliance on a further course of action.

Yours Sincerely,

Amerigo Crespo, Secretary of Gothic and External Affairs,
The Republic of Socorra.

[Kylarnatia]

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— RECIPIENT: Members of the Workers International Alliance

SENDER: Propitius Princeps Domina Lillian Bridon —

— CONTENT: A Simple Ultimatum

PRIORITY: Extremely High —

— DESTINATION: Open Frequencies

ORIGIN: Ministerium Externa, Imperium Antiquum Kylarnatiae —

— ENCRYPTION: SECURE ENCRYPTION

TIME & DATE: 05/05/12 11:34pm Gothic Central-West Time (GMT+8) —

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Ave, Ladies and Gentlemen,

It has come to the attention of my ministry, and the Imperium Antiquum at large, that the Workers International Alliance and its signatory members, have recently pledged support to the Greater Socorran Socialist Commune (referred to as the GSSC from here on in). Let it be known that the GSSC is seen in the eyes of the Imperium Antiquum as a terrorist organisation, and that support for them is heavily condemned by the Caesar of the Imperium.

Furthermore, the sending of any aid or troops to Socorra to aid the GSSC in future will be regarded as an invasion of Socorra and furthermore and invasion of Gholgoth. If this is done then the Imperium Antiquum, and even more likely the other Gothic nations, will declare war against the Workers International Alliance and its signatory members.

To avoid such an event, we issue a simple ultimatum to the Workers International Alliance: Cut off all ties with the terrorist organisation known as the GSSC and call back any aid that is en route to Gholgoth or face serious consequences. If all is agreed to, then nothing more will have to come between the Workers International Alliance and Gholgoth, thus allowing both to continue peacefully. If the ultimatum is ignored, then the Workers International Alliance will regret the day it approached Gholgoth and its waters.

That is all,

Princeps Domina Lillian Bridon, Ministrator Externa
Foreign Affairs Minister of the Imperium Antiquum Kylarnatiae

[Osea 767]

Comrades, I again wish to urge members to attend Koro's conference (relevant links at the top of this page). Hopefully, I will be able to join those involved soon.

Kylarnatia, unless there is some I'm unaware of, the only tie the Worker International has with the Socialist Commune is a highly confidential organisational membership that allows it access to financial resources and the ability to vote on certain issues, along with sanctuary if they need somewhere to hide. Nothing else is guaranteed for those with the type of membership that the Commune has.

Also, the nature of the majority of the Central Committee states means something like that would be kept locked safely away. Given its status as a terrorist organisation, there is a good chance that there are few people ICly know that the Commune is connected to our organisation. So how would your government know?

[Kylarnatia]

Comrades, I again wish to urge members to attend Koro's conference (relevant links at the top of this page). Hopefully, I will be able to join those involved soon.

Kylarnatia, unless there is some I'm unaware of, the only tie the Worker International has with the Socialist Commune is a highly confidential organisational membership that allows it access to financial resources and the ability to vote on certain issues, along with sanctuary if they need somewhere to hide. Nothing else is guaranteed for those with the type of membership that the Commune has.

Also, the nature of the majority of the Central Committee states means something like that would be kept locked safely away. Given its status as a terrorist organisation, there is a good chance that there are few people ICly know that the Commune is connected to our organisation. So how would your government know?

[OOC: Hi there,

To my knowledge, in its many broadcasts the GSSC have spoken of its ties with organizations such as the Workers International, that and the Socorran government did just send you a telegram demanding you cut all ties with the GSSC, so we're supporting them. Furthermore, in a story plot with Socorra, our Secret Police and Operatives, the Black Staff, are currently working within Socorra as part of a greater mission. They would have listed the GSSC as a threat to the operation, and would have dug up all the intel they could on it, and that intel would include the ties with this organization.

I hope this makes sense.]

[Osea 767]

OOC: Right, I understand. My nation's response to the demands will likely be to say that anything showing connections are lies/ bourgeoisie plots. The stuff we are doing is not the kind likely to leave incriminating evidence. The Commune will be discreetly be told that we want our connection to them to be kept private and warned about doing such again at any point in the future.

I'd put up a IC response doing what I have said my nation would do, but my computer is running even slower than usual. I apologise for that.

[Democratic Koyro]

OOC: want to make a post, i've been inactive for a few days, im gonna re-bump the conference and get it more active. Its fallen in my absence.

[Kylarnatia]

OOC: Right, I understand. My nation's response to the demands will likely be to say that anything showing connections are lies/ bourgeoisie plots. The stuff we are doing is not the kind likely to leave incriminating evidence. The Commune will be discreetly be told that we want our connection to them to be kept private and warned about doing such again at any point in the future.

I'd put up a IC response doing what I have said my nation would do, but my computer is running even slower than usual. I apologise for that.

[OOC: Understood. Although continuing to deny things will make the situation worse due to the evidence we already have, and the evidence we'll continue to gather before you can begin destroying any of it, I can understand your reasons for doing so. And it is kind of meaningless, as the GSSC will most likely cease to be after possible future operations, regardless if it is still in contact with Workers International or not.

Anyway, thank you, and take your time :)]

[Osea 767]

As you stated, the Commune is most likely going to cease to be relevant and it has only been connected to us for a small period so far. I'd imagine that my government will not ever admit publicly to any connection, though a message will likely be sent discretely to signal the fact that we understand your message. I'd also imagine that better lines of communication would be something that would be desired, to avoid a repeat of this situation.

[Zhenghou Wao dynasty]

Full name of organisation/government: Communist Party of ZHenghou
Number of members:7,000,000
Your present relationship with pact members: n/a
Ideology and/or Political Stance: Communist, Marxist-Juche. now is required to advocate imperial rule
Your present situation: best in last 20 years. holds 50 percent of elected legislature, 9 percent of the appointed legislature, and the chancellor is a communist

[Osea 767]

OOC: I've modified the Charter to include a section for RP examples on the organisation/exile government application. They are still affiliating themselves with us, so it is still preferable that they meet a minimum standard of etiquette. I've also updated neglected lists concerning things like members and RP's. Sorry about the occurrence of that neglect.

I hope we can get Koyro's conference moving again. Radictistan has put up the last post on that thread and I will put up one tonight. Hopefully, we can build on that and get it up and running soon.

[Democratic Koyro]

OOC: I've modified the Charter to include a section for RP examples on the organisation/exile government application. They are still affiliating themselves with us, so it is still preferable that they meet a minimum standard of etiquette. I've also updated neglected lists concerning things like members and RP's. Sorry about the occurrence of that neglect.

I hope we can get Koyro's conference moving again. Radictistan has put up the last post on that thread and I will put up one tonight. Hopefully, we can build on that and get it up and running soon.

OOC: Just to say im going to be more involved this weekend, i hope to get it running again too

[Amin]

Full nation name: The People's Republic of Amin
Population: 9,598,787
Desired Membership type (Protected State/Full): Protected State (Current economic difficulties and civil war)
Your present relationship with alliance members: Neutral
National leader's title: General Mathieu Kérékou
Type of Political system: Single Party, Socialist Republic
Type of Economic System: Centrally Planned
State ideology (if applicable): Marxism-Leninism.

Link to Factbook (if applicable): viewtopic.php?f=23&t=181946 (very basic)
Current wars?(if any): N/A
Military Alliances that you are a member of(if any):
Role Play Examples (please give at least two examples if possible, along with links to those examples): TG for example.
Additional Information that you wish to add: Amin is an African socialist state set up in the early 70's after a military coup. General Mathieu Kérékou has been in power since.

[Osea 767]

OOC: Amin has been accepted into our organisation.

[Zonolia]

Full nation name: The Democratic Social Second Republic of Zonolia
Population: With Joint-States as of May 5th, 13,190,000,000.
Desired Membership type (Protected State/Full): Full
Your present relationship with alliance members: Peace
National leader's title: The People
Type of Political system: Representative-Direct Democracy
Type of Economic System: Free Market Competitive Socialist Economy
State ideology (if applicable): Competitive Social Industrial Democracy (albeit not official?)

Link to Factbook (if applicable): My nation page, unfinished
Current wars?(if any): None
Military Alliances that you are a member of(if any): Err, I kinds forget...either way it's to the point if I'm called I can 'OOC' ignore because I've forgot.
Role Play Examples (please give at least two examples if possible, along with links to those examples): Albeit its old and my RPing has improved since this dead intro and Not to mention the few others I wrote in this thread albeit they were sorta rushed I guess
Additional Information that you wish to add: I'd like to see what this alliance has to say about that little word I used in my economic description: 'Free Market...'

[Osea 767]

OOC: Depends on how your system works. If it is deemed an acceptable model, it'll just result in some sighing and rolling of eyes. If not, then the radicals amongst us would likely consider you to be a revisionist.

[Zonolia]

OOC: Depends on how your system works. If it is deemed an acceptable model, it'll just result in some sighing and rolling of eyes. If not, then the radicals amongst us would likely consider you to be a revisionist.

I am a revisionist in the sense we strive to create a truly free society...we build our model to appease both the rich and poor (effectively pushing near everyone into a huge middle class, eliminating the lower class, and creating a moderately sized high class)...

We built it on the idea that revolutionary Socialism is self-contradicting in it's philosophy for it strives for ultimate equality but how's it equal if you forcibly take money from some to give to some?

All-in-all our system is summarized as this:

Economy is split public and private, the public industry primarily creates goods for the world market (operated using minimum technological advances for mass employment and better quality goods and not loosing quantity) the profit is used to pay for operational costs and the rest is divided among the workers/administrators. This keeps workers' cash amounts relatively high...The private sector is extremely regulated (codes take up a 1000 page book...), they creates goods primarily for Zonolian domestic use (operated using the newest technology or at least encouraged to, to supply enough goods for Zonolians) the profit is used to pay a fair wage to the workers and the rest to line the pockets of the owners whom are mostly Zonolian stockholders (privately owned companies are heavily discouraged).

NOTE- I said primarily the opposite of the primary do exist in the primary area (i.e. public industry selling to Zonolian domestic use)
^ This opens up what is known as "Sanctioned Monopolies" which either the state or private industry own, since the private industry is so heavily regulated all monopolies are basically state-controlled for they are only given to private companies upon harsh negotiations, the monopolies work in favor to periodically drive down prices when necessary and to create the idea of a false or 'placebo' free market, tricking the 'forces' of capitalism into our favor.

[Comorostan]

The People's Republic must protest at the inclusion of this nation into the International at this time. While the system described does seem wonderful, Comorostan has seen many nations who believed that they had harnessed the power of the market and brought capitalism to heel. This is impossible. A nation cannot bring capitalism to heel any more than one can tame a wildfire or a hurricane. Capitalism as an institution is repressive, hierarchical, and damaging to a nation as a whole. It cannot be tamed, reformed, modified, or any other word that stands in for "spared." It can only be destroyed, root and branch, with the ferocity of the revolution.

The People's Republic is open the possibility of Zonolia joining the International, but it must first demonstrate more than a surface commitment to the ideals of the International and dismantle the wolf-in-sheep's-clothing capitalism that masquerades as socialism and institute true state control of the means of production for the benefit of the proletariat. It must also take means to eliminate the class of bourgeois "stockholders" and "administrators" that its system has created.

[Osea 767]

I agree. The system sounds too capitalistic. How are the industries of your private sector run? From what I see, you do not have workers control of the means of production, which we consider to be an essential part of socialism.