Medieval Tech OOC thread (Spaces available!)

[Angermanland]

right, I'll get onto that. might take a while, mind you. [like, i'll post either tonight or tommorow unless i get really stuck [it's now not long after noon]

also, it's not Angermanland. it's the buho`xu't ....

but that's not quite as awesome [both have too many syllables anyway:P]

[Isurioth]

We keep our own calendar for a reason. Not really a problem though as our years are the same length. Converting dates from Orth weeks and months to Dashret would be a huge pain.

Any takers on nations that would like nothing more then to see me dead?

Frozopia, a question: If it is non gunpower how much can we advance tech? For example can I invent mechanical calculators, orrerys, music boxes, and well clocks? The Antikythera mechanism, the works of Hero of Alexandria, and of Su Song indicate that not only is the requisite knowledge already exist, but it has been done in some form before.

I am hoping to coincide my imperial expansion with a Mechanical revolution in Orithena. Some technological development would help me win against the larger, better armed, more skilled, and better prepared people I am trying to take over. I am thinking airships of some kind. Not anything grand mind you, say observation balloons. The one person up in the thing would have a string which he could pull on in a codded fashion to allow general to know that is going on in the battlefield. I must add that the way we fight battles now is very unrealistic.

Once the war is over then I would most likely try to adapt the technology for use as transportation of people and Cargo around the islands. If I combined sufficiently large machines I could get automated stone quarrying machines and field plowers/planters.

Of course that last part would be at least a one to two decades away.

Also, what is your view on steam technology? There are arguments to be made that they had steam engines in Greece that did useful work. The thought of steam cannons against your pathetic city walls appeals to me.

[/megalomania]

But seriously, what do you guys thing about all that?

[Angermanland]

done the whole steam cannon thing before. doesn't really work.

more significantly, no one has the metal working skill needed to make boilers that could withstand high enough pressures to do anything that drastic anyway.

[Dashret]

It would rather ruin the feel of a medieval RP, in any case >_>

[Angermanland]

behold, large post.

think you can take 8/17ths of the Buho`xu't in 17 months or so?

edit: i must admit to being Very unsure of the validity of my troop numbers here.

[Oda noh Nobunaga]

I might get involved in that conflict between you two, Angermanland & Dashret; seeing as I am fairly close to the two of you. I'll have a few ships maybe arrive off the coast and my scouts run into the battle site or something?

[Angermanland]

I might get involved in that conflict between you two, Angermanland & Dashret; seeing as I am fairly close to the two of you. I'll have a few ships maybe arrive off the coast and my scouts run into the battle site or something?

realising that the events i n that thread are taking place some 1300-1500 years ago? [i can't remember exactly]

[Isurioth]

I suppose I might still have had enough of an army at this point to render assistance to Angermanland if they call for it. You remember when we had our hypothetical battle Anger? It would be mostly the same units.

[The Four Heatons]

THE INNER LIGHT

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=21190

Basically, the king has been killed by bandits, as were the new kings brothers and King Evan is now in charge.
Also, anyone sent to Camelot will find themselves in the middile of an attempted overthrow, what fun.

[Frozopia]

@ Orth:

all these ideas sound a bit crazy. For the moment we'll see how this RP goes, I doubt in IC terms (probably due to ooc reasons lol) whether we'll get past 1305 if you're looking that far into the long term. I have been thinking of having someone make an RP about discovering gunpowder though...

Also did you see the island Oda added to the map? Will that work in our broken world?

@ The four heatons Still need to find you a map claim. Hmmm

[The Four Heatons]

My bad, i saw how busy you were with the Battle in that thread and assummed it would be ok to start.

[Dashret]

Time for a lesson in Egyptian mythology!

In addition to being god of war, evil and the desert, Set was also god of foreigners! Hence, 'sons of set'. I don't know if that's historically accurate, but it sounds cool
Of course, he wasn't the only god of war. The Egyptians seem to have had at least three major war gods that I know of, along with dozens of minor ones. Even Bast had an aspect as a war god (which kind of makes sense).

Ammut was the monster who ate your soul if the gods judged you unworthy of entering the afterlife. Your heart was weighed against a feather (representing Ma'at, or justice) and if it was heavier than that, you died forever.

Aaru was the Egyptian 'field of reeds', IE: The place you go if you were a good little Egyptian.

[Isurioth]

And you were rich enough to have the proper rights done and your body preserved and people remembered you.

I wonder, if people forget about you then archeologists rediscover it does that mean you ceased to be oblivion dead?

[Frozopia]

Odah after all the fiddling Orth did to make our world map *kinda* work, I don't really want any more islands to pop up out of nowhere.

However there is a world map now http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3738/worldmap.png.

Maybe if Orth completes the claims version of the map, we could place you as a rival near Orth.
Hmmmm.

Same maybe goes for Camelot person too.

[Angermanland]

Dashret , gotta say, i love your writing style!

that out of the way, this:
1650 YA, 3rd month of Akhet
should read as this:
1649 YA, [presumably still 3rd month of Akhet]

it took my guys over a year to get their arses into gear there

oh, and when i said my guys were camped five days away?

until the scouts find you, they don't Know they're only five days away. heh. this means you're going to be deployed in battle formation for several days i think.

humm. do i have free reign for deciding the general layout of the battlefield, or do you have a specific setup you want? figure I'll write it into my post, you see.

[Isurioth]

Frozopia:

While getting all the terrain in is still proving to be a nightmare of epic proportions I could do a sort of half and half.

I could take the world map and create a blown up version similar to the one used for continental claims.

Warning: I would be a rather large image. I could in theory make our continent on the map the size it is on the claims map.

[Manitheren]

Odah after all the fiddling Orth did to make our world map *kinda* work, I don't really want any more islands to pop up out of nowhere.

However there is a world map now http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3738/worldmap.png.

Maybe if Orth completes the claims version of the map, we could place you as a rival near Orth.
Hmmmm.

Same maybe goes for Camelot person too.

I see no relation between that map and the claims map on the first page. Do we really need to get a whole other map just to satisfy small specifics? I mean so long as you make a small bit map (like Amber Kingdom did) of your territory, clearly showing everything, then that should be enough for when people are interested in knowing your kingdom's terrain. I think the only world map we need deal with is the one we already have.

And that claims map itself can be expanded...don't have to keep it at that size the entire time. We could even add a few new continents. From looking at the map that Mike did I think he should just up the size and add in new land masses. I personally don't see anything wrong with that, and I'm the smallest country in the game at the moment.

[Dashret]

Dashret , gotta say, i love your writing style!

that out of the way, this:
1650 YA, 3rd month of Akhet
should read as this:
1649 YA, [presumably still 3rd month of Akhet]

it took my guys over a year to get their arses into gear there

oh, and when i said my guys were camped five days away?

until the scouts find you, they don't Know they're only five days away. heh. this means you're going to be deployed in battle formation for several days i think.

humm. do i have free reign for deciding the general layout of the battlefield, or do you have a specific setup you want? figure I'll write it into my post, you see.

Heh, thanks. I guess I can make up for my lack of reading comprehension and observational skills with style

Well, presumably if they're five days away and the selected battle site is roughly halfway between them, it's two days per side to get there, more or less.

Uh, for the battle formation, just say they went to 'red alert' so to speak, being more alert for skirmishers and taking up a formation rather than just marching in open column.

In terms of the location, just say somewhere with a fairly large open field, fairly flat. I dunno about the surrounding terrain, since RR doesn't have a geography section...

[Angermanland]

Odah after all the fiddling Orth did to make our world map *kinda* work, I don't really want any more islands to pop up out of nowhere.

However there is a world map now http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3738/worldmap.png.

Maybe if Orth completes the claims version of the map, we could place you as a rival near Orth.
Hmmmm.

Same maybe goes for Camelot person too.

I see no relation between that map and the claims map on the first page. Do we really need to get a whole other map just to satisfy small specifics? I mean so long as you make a small bit map (like Amber Kingdom did) of your territory, clearly showing everything, then that should be enough for when people are interested in knowing your kingdom's terrain. I think the only world map we need deal with is the one we already have.

And that claims map itself can be expanded...don't have to keep it at that size the entire time. We could even add a few new continents. From looking at the map that Mike did I think he should just up the size and add in new land masses. I personally don't see anything wrong with that, and I'm the smallest country in the game at the moment.

the world map includes the continent we are on. it's roughly in the middle, east to west, and in the northern hemisphere. it's the horribly, extremely BROKEN one made almost entirely of mountain [it's also fairly small as continents go]

it is in a different format because it A: covers the entire world and B: if the right one is up there [haven't double checked] includes such useful things as weather patterns.

our continent is broken to the point where crossing from frozopia to Dashret's land, a distance of some five kilometers if memory serves, will KILL YOU if you do it in under a day. the temperature differential is that high.

this is Because of people following the logic you've presented when it comes to mapping, and only caring about their own internal geography. among other things we have rivers which cannot get to the sea without flowing up hill, mountains which can only be explained by conveniently timed asteroid strikes, and at one point while trying to make it work, Dashret's rivers would have Boiled in summer.

that said, the only thing that needs to be done to turn a world map into a claims map is to take the geography only version of it and, using different colours, mark in the pre-existing nations. it doesn't need to all be redone in a different style or anything.

while the world map started off as just being an attempt to find the major trade winds, in the end it became something of a major undertaking.

i've lost my point now. blah.




Dashret, I'll get the next IC post done either this evening or tomorrow morning.

[Dashret]

Fortunately I don't think it's possible to cross from Frozopia to Dashret in under a day, given the rather large mountains that are in the way. That also makes some sense given the location of the Great Sand Sea...of course, since it's HOTTER than the surrounding lands, that means the sandstorms would all be blowing INTO Frozopia and Dercon...

[Isurioth]

Told you Anger, it was a sand sea.

As to the subject of a claims map: If no one cares that me and most of my empire will be off the map I can produce an expanded claims map similar to the one we are using now except showing the entire ocean that our continent is to the north of.

Oh, and on the subject of broken: As things stand our current continent for various reasons should either be:
A) A giant desert
B)Dashret and a giant swamp
C)Dashret and the Himalayas
D)Angermanland and France
E)A smoking hole in the ground from my frustration at trying to balance climates.

[Thrashia]

Hate to be a bearer of bad news, but I'm going to have to drop out of the RP. That might have been fairly obvious due to my lack of activity, but I have other responsibilities to handle at the moment. But don't worry, I'm sure that Mike and Matt can handle things when you guys need any help in Historical knowledge. Cheers!

[Daemonicai]

I've made my intro RP:

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?ns=1&f=5&t=21455

[The Zoogie People]

@Isuroth
I said that I had no objections to your tower. No need to throw a tantrum.

I personally wouldn't mind a Florida climate. I'd have to change some things. Retcon my civilization to be more like the Aztecs, which would necessitate some changes to history, but there you go.

I'm actually not entirely sure that would be the case, though. Dashret isn't surrounded by mountains. About 2/3 of the northern side is covered, with a large gap about where the north and western ranges would join. eastern edge only has a short range of mountains, the rest is just cliffs of varying heights. Not especially tall ones, either...

Oh god. I just realized.

I've made Mordor.


@Froz
Not to sound ungrateful, but you could've spoken up earlier >_>

it probably is surrounded by mountains, actually, given that everyone ['cept me and some of the island nations who figured the sea was good enough.] put mountains on at least one border, usually more, the result was that even when people tried to be reasonable and leave borders without mountains, someone else put mountains on the other side of that border.

Did Zoogie have mountains on his northern side? I recall him mentioning that area was plains at some point. I'd have to go look at his factbook.

Speaking of Zoogie, did he die or something?

yeah.....I'm sorry guys. I may be kinda scarce, just shoot me a TG if that happens. Made a post in Lord of Two Lands.

Geography: I have mountains on my northern side. However, if you need me not to have them I can change it - just let me know why/what exactly you want there to be there. They haven't played a role so far.

[Frozopia]

Sorry for not posting, been a bit busy for the last couple of days(and addicted to fallout 3 GOTY edition )

Will get around to stuff soon.