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[Frozopia]

Frozopia:

While getting all the terrain in is still proving to be a nightmare of epic proportions I could do a sort of half and half.

I could take the world map and create a blown up version similar to the one used for continental claims.

Warning: I would be a rather large image. I could in theory make our continent on the map the size it is on the claims map.

Works I guess.

Hate to be a bearer of bad news, but I'm going to have to drop out of the RP. That might have been fairly obvious due to my lack of activity, but I have other responsibilities to handle at the moment. But don't worry, I'm sure that Mike and Matt can handle things when you guys need any help in Historical knowledge. Cheers!

Nooooo sadface Oh well.

I've made my intro RP:

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?ns=1&f=5&t=21455

This is on my shores right? I'll get around to it soon...Actually if someone else wants to take it, feel free.

@ Drvska One thing to keep in mind for medieval battle roleplaying:

The combat itself is always very short lived. The manoeuvring may take hours or even days. But when two sides meet? We're talking seconds, minutes. Its such intense tiring work that generally one side breaks the other pretty soon. You seem to describe the opposite, although that may just be me.

Equally I've been pretty generous with reguards to your troops. Honestly? You're infantry would probably never have escaped that gateway. And you're cavalry probably wouldn't have been in decent enough state to then lead a charge against me. Always keep morale in mind. No army is completely populated by heroes.

Also I apologise for my post, was a bit dry because I'm knackered right now.

[Angermanland]

so... is everyone dead or what?

i've got three RPs still waiting on posts and/or corrections to existing posts

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[Drvarska]

@ Drvska One thing to keep in mind for medieval battle roleplaying:

The combat itself is always very short lived. The manoeuvring may take hours or even days. But when two sides meet? We're talking seconds, minutes. Its such intense tiring work that generally one side breaks the other pretty soon. You seem to describe the opposite, although that may just be me.

Equally I've been pretty generous with reguards to your troops. Honestly? You're infantry would probably never have escaped that gateway. And you're cavalry probably wouldn't have been in decent enough state to then lead a charge against me. Always keep morale in mind. No army is completely populated by heroes.

Also I apologise for my post, was a bit dry because I'm knackered right now.

No problem, it may have been a bit descriptive but when it is described as "fought for a while", I really do mean around minutes as it is both infantry and cavalry attacking. I have responded and yes as always I have taken into account the reality of the situation. The whole "state of my army" is still near-fresh. We did discuss that there was enough food and supplies to last at the most one and a half to two weeks. It is only been around 8 or so days as my mind recalls, correct me if im wrong. But morale, yes it is obvious that theyre not all heroes which has been taken into a account the last post with many surrendering to your forces even with the efforts of "rounding them up". The outcome has brought my Army to a 70% loss of personnel, if not more will come to die due to injuries or survival on their retreat.

[Frozopia]

They maybe near fresh, but getting mauled in the gateway would be a real blow to morale.

As for 70% casualties and capture: I would actually say 85-95%. The only men who had any real chance of escaping were the horsemen (who both suffered heavily in the gateway and then again in the subsequent charge) and perhaps some of the infantry under Marius who were a little nearer to the tree-line. For everyone else you have to ask: How did they get away? They wouldn't be able to outrun the horses, even those who fled the various side gates would get run down (There are a couple of small patrols of my light cavalry around the southern and western sides of the town).

[Dashret]

Alright, posted in the Falcon topic, Anger.

Froz, you're up in Lord of the Two Lands. Do you mind a little timeskip, also? Just over the two-ish days of travel they've got if your ambassador accepts.

[Drvarska]

@Frozopia

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[Angermanland]

Alright, posted in the Falcon topic, Anger.

Froz, you're up in Lord of the Two Lands. Do you mind a little timeskip, also? Just over the two-ish days of travel they've got if your ambassador accepts.

heh. just discovered i hadn't subscribed to that topic. [doesn't auto-subscribe to stuff you posted in, and the subscription button's hiding]

fixed that now.


umm... any chance of a map of the deployment? i know i wrote my positions out in much the same manner, but I'm having trouble picturing where stuff actually is. squares with some marking for troop type on a white background in paint will do. [name and number labels would help even more. [and because I'm feeling lazy, and horrible at such things, and it'd be useful, adding my stuff in would be good too. but i can do that myself. it's just slower.]]

Yay for nested brackets.

[Frozopia]

Dash I would like to avoid one liner posts. Go ahead with the trip...My only response would be "Yes lets go."

Also Drvrska...I keep looking at that number, 2300...and I ask myself: How? I know I said 85-95%, but now I'm thinking maybe 200 Would get away. 500 max really, consisting primarily of Marius's original 3000.

I just cant see many escaping. But if someone else reads the thread and disagree's, please tell me.

[The Zoogie People]

Can I get a digest of how Froz's war is going? Getting invaded? getting your ass kicked?

[Frozopia]

Drav and NBS cancelled their joint invasion, but because I was mobilised I invaded Dravkany anyways. First battle was a siege for a town which contained a large portion of Drav's army (12000 I think?). I surrounded the town and started damming the nearby river so I could flood and cut the town off. However Drav sallied out before the construction works were completed, accompanied by reinforcements outside the town numbering 3000 men. Both of Dravs forces got mauled horribly and now we are deciding the survivors (who are few).

[Fiduses and Diuses]

Anyone not in the Frozopia invasion/counterinvasion thread want to do something? My people grow restless and are open to missionaries, raidings and counter raidings and what not.

[Drvarska]

From what I see, I think its adequate for the reamining to escape because you have such a large force dispersing from the town. I have no idea how many riders went with Wulf that "rounded" up the retreating enemy but out of 12,000, I would think at least 2,000 would have sustained to scatter towards the woods. Dont forget, once passed the bridge it makes it harder for your cavalry to cross the river as you built a dam just recently, there could still be a lot of water in there and mud making it harder to move across.

But I agree, its hard to banter over the outcomes of a battle with the opponent. We need a third party to give out a justification.

[Angermanland]

plain simple fact is you'd be insanely lucky to get even a hundred men out of that gate alive And uncaptured.

and your smaller force all but suicided.

i see no logical reason for more than 1000 men to get away, and even That's pushing it.

normally it'd be a lot higher. normally the number who routed in disorder and couldn't be rallied, or who were captured, would be pretty high too.

but you made repeated suicidal moves. most of those who aren't dead are injured and stuck in large piles of bodies.

how many escaped is almost a non issue. the fact that Any manage it is Frozo throwing you a bone.


edit: also, Dashret, can you tell me if you can do a troop deployment map or not? if you can't I'll find some way to deal easily enough. just need to know so i can figure out what I'm doing

[Frozopia]

^pretty much.

Hm struggling to update OP. "It was not possible to determine the dimensions of the image." error keeps appearing, when all I'm doing is linking another thread .

Anyways Drav I'll get onto the next post reguardless. Erm for this campaign season we'll keep it in the one thread. Perhaps next season we'll start a new thread.

[Dashret]

Here's a rough map...really rough

http://i33.tinypic.com/2illk3r.png

It's not a creative formation, but it works. The reserve consists of roughly 1/2 infantry and 1/4 archers and cavalry.

If you don't mind, could you do something similar? If you use this map then it might be easier on both of us, and we could update it each round to show movements.

[Osteia]

How active is this?

[Fiduses and Diuses]

About two pages or so a day active.

[Frozopia]

How active is this?

Osteia!? The Osteia who we've done medieval rps with before?

Its active, although some threads and rpers are gone, others are still going strong.

[Isurioth]

Sorry for being so inactive guys. I am still here, but I have several projects and papers I am working on. I will post as often as I can.
Anger, that invasion thread, any chance I could get you to serve as my cannon fodder/elite troops given the honor of first combat?

[Angermanland]

invasion... this is the one where you're spreading north, right?

given that the troops of mine that went along consist entirely of pikes and archers...

depends what you're facing. the pike men are excellent shock troops... as long as they're not getting shredded by missile fire [remember, their armour borders on the non-existent]. it's possible to convince them to try anyway, but not as an opening move unless you're surrounded and doomed. you also won't have an easy time convincing them to lead an escalade. pike men, ya know? they'll happily charge an unsupported shield wall or something like that though.

the crossbowmen are, of course, archers, and behave as such.

[Angermanland]

whoops. found a mistake in the Falcon thread.

i was talking about 1000 man units...

then deployed them as 500 man units.

half my army vanished :S

let it be read, where my post says 100 by 5, as 200 by 5.

that un-breaks it somewhat, even if it does render my formations a bit more unwieldy.


working out the details of the current deployment on a whiteboard [well, white paper with clear seal on it, but whatever:D], then I'll get to writing up the post.

[this doesn't change the fact that you apparently outnumber me, btw, Dashret... though only because a lot of my units are either behind the ridge or on the other side of hills or in the forests so you can't see 'em... err... and i haven't taken your reserves into account yet.... work in progress...]


edit: how many chariots do you actually have? i can't seem to find a number.

nor can i pin down what the reserves are... another two armies that aren't there yet?

blah. straight up numerical force list goes here:

Angermani infantry:
10 regiments of 1000, 3/5ths lance and shield, 2/5ths javelin and shield. you can see 7 of them.
1 regiment of 500 Nvimabu't heavy lancers, well armoured and carrying two handed lances. [that does actually work]
3 regiments of Navibu't and Yurobu't soldiers, one of which is armed with great two handed swords. the rest mostly broadswords and round shields.
4 regiments of assorted peasantry, armed with whatever was to hand. you can probably see 1 of them.

Angermani cavalry:
4 regiments of 1000, all with spears. two on each flank, you can't see any of them yet.
1 regiment of 500 Navibu't and Yurobu't cavalry. armed with long handled axes, for the most part. you can see them.

can i get a nice tidy list like this of your stuff to check against please? trying to keep track of it's getting a bit tricky.

[The Romulan Republic]

so... is everyone dead or what?

i've got three RPs still waiting on posts and/or corrections to existing posts

[note that edits do not trigger update notifications]

I'm sorry I haven't posted here in a while. In my case, its been a mix of writer's block and being busy with other things.

[Dashret]

The reserves are just half of the second army. The other two armies are too far away to take part unless the battle takes a couple of days.

Forces breakdown is basically:

5,000 Horus troops in the center

About 2,500 Dashreti regulars on either flank

Behind each of these are their attached archer units (included as part of that number). The Horus archers are all using composite bows, while the others are mostly using stick bows with the occasional higher quality longbow/composite.

And about 5,000 Dashreti regulars in the reserve force, just behind the main force.

The cavalry on the flank are about 700 total, all heavy cavalry.

The chariots, oh, lets say there's about 500 of them. All light chariots.

The other two armies, should they arrive, will contribute about 20,000 men total, basically the same force distribution as the second (non-Horus) army.

[Angermanland]

The reserves are just half of the second army. The other two armies are too far away to take part unless the battle takes a couple of days.

Forces breakdown is basically:

5,000 Horus troops in the center

About 2,500 Dashreti regulars on either flank

Behind each of these are their attached archer units (included as part of that number). The Horus archers are all using composite bows, while the others are mostly using stick bows with the occasional higher quality longbow/composite.

And about 5,000 Dashreti regulars in the reserve force, just behind the main force.

The cavalry on the flank are about 700 total, all heavy cavalry.

The chariots, oh, lets say there's about 500 of them. All light chariots.

The other two armies, should they arrive, will contribute about 20,000 men total, basically the same force distribution as the second (non-Horus) army.

... any longbow-men should be shot in the face for blatant anachronism
actually, composite bows might be questionable too, though i wouldn't really know.
at least there's no compound bows in that mix [first time i read it i misread one instance of composite... yeah... heh.]

right, with all that info, I'll fix up my map here... [it's too big to scan, sadly] then see what i can do.

i envisage several hours of waiting around, to begin with

[Angermanland]

and posted.

it's actually really hard to write battle scenes without godmoding or resorting to single line posts, especially when I'm supposed to be Losing... competently. Hopefully this will do.

Oh, fa`f”aqak? Grammatically it should be translated as 'charge', but 'ride them down!' is closer to the intent when it's used. Just to make life fun, it is pronounced absolutely Nothing like how you would read it in English. [Nvozelam is even worse. English'd render it something like Nthokh-ellam. The – replaces a character that I'm pretty sure any English attempt at transliterating would simply give up on. Its half way between an sh and an h, and is only half of the sound represented by x, and the middle syllable is high pitched compared to the others. [Angerman words can have a high or low pitch on the stressed syllable. it serves a grammatical function in verbs, in other words it's just another 'letter']

the above paragraph was originally attached as an OOC note to my post... but it was far too big, so i put it here