Civil War in Northern Australia (IC/MT/Open)

[Northern Australia]

Ooc- Can't we respond to things said OOC? And yes, this is getting a bit boring. I made this for fun, based of a real civil war that me and my friends made up, which isn't in my factbook yet.

[Napoleonic Europa]

Ooc- Can't we respond to things said OOC? And yes, this is getting a bit boring. I made this for fun, based of a real civil war that me and my friends made up, which isn't in my factbook yet.

(OOC: Just because you OOC know something doesn't mean you do IC.)

[Northern Australia]

Ooc- Can't we respond to things said OOC? And yes, this is getting a bit boring. I made this for fun, based of a real civil war that me and my friends made up, which isn't in my factbook yet.

(OOC: Just because you OOC know something doesn't mean you do IC.)

OOC- I'll post the factbook link to the war this was based on when I'm done, I made this thread to see what would happen if we let NS players also participate. I was expecting a government victory within 2 days. Just wanted to tell everyone that.

[Usowar]

So far into the meeting the two representatives of USSU were silent. Now, Spiridon Ignatyev (Commissar of Foreign Affairs) stood up and began to speak:

"We feel that Napoleonic Europa is making a baseless argument over here. Australia has seen its days of monarchy. Those days are gone now. And, even if there is a monarchy today, it is certain that there will be violence over the post of "king" and related successions."

Now Marshall Yegor (Marshall of the Union) stood up and said "This is our proposal for restoring peace in Australia.
He hands down a paper, where the following was written:

USSU Proposal in the aftermath of the war

1. The sovereignty of USSNA must be recognized and respected
2. There will be no rebel state.
3. All ideological factions will be represented in the USSNA government and parliament.
4. All territories occupied by fellow comrade states must be returned to USSNA
5. All nations will pull out their troops as soon as possible when the decision is reached.
6. Fascist/Monarchical nations will claim no ownership of the occupied territories. They will be returned to USSNA.

"So comrades" Ignatyev said "Fair enough?"

[Northern Australia]

So far into the meeting the two representatives of USSU were silent. Now, Spiridon Ignatyev (Commissar of Foreign Affairs) stood up and began to speak:

"We feel that Napoleonic Europa is making a baseless argument over here. Australia has seen its days of monarchy. Those days are gone now. And, even if there is a monarchy today, it is certain that there will be violence over the post of "king" and related successions."

Now Marshall Yegor (Marshall of the Union) stood up and said "This is our proposal for restoring peace in Australia.
He hands down a paper, where the following was written:

USSU Proposal in the aftermath of the war

1. The sovereignty of USSNA must be recognized and respected
2. There will be no rebel state.
3. All ideological factions will be represented in the USSNA government and parliament.
4. All territories occupied by fellow comrade states must be returned to USSNA
5. All nations will pull out their troops as soon as possible when the decision is reached.

6. Fascist/Monarchical nations will claim no ownership of the occupied territories. They will be returned to USSNA.
"So comrades" Ignatyev said "Fair enough?"

We agree with this, but all 3 Australias would also like to form a united Australian state, which would be a parliamentary republic.

[Chuying]

So far into the meeting the two representatives of USSU were silent. Now, Spiridon Ignatyev (Commissar of Foreign Affairs) stood up and began to speak:

"We feel that Napoleonic Europa is making a baseless argument over here. Australia has seen its days of monarchy. Those days are gone now. And, even if there is a monarchy today, it is certain that there will be violence over the post of "king" and related successions."

Now Marshall Yegor (Marshall of the Union) stood up and said "This is our proposal for restoring peace in Australia.
He hands down a paper, where the following was written:

USSU Proposal in the aftermath of the war

1. The sovereignty of USSNA must be recognized and respected
2. There will be no rebel state.
3. All ideological factions will be represented in the USSNA government and parliament.
4. All territories occupied by fellow comrade states must be returned to USSNA
5. All nations will pull out their troops as soon as possible when the decision is reached.

6. Fascist/Monarchical nations will claim no ownership of the occupied territories. They will be returned to USSNA.
"So comrades" Ignatyev said "Fair enough?"

We agree with this, but all 3 Australias would also like to form a united Australian state, which would be a parliamentary republic.

Chuying also agrees with this, and this is the best practical solution to prevent another conflict or uprising in Australia, which monarchy would surely bring, a democratic parliamentary non-monarchist government would be the best solution.

[Oflandia]

So far into the meeting the two representatives of USSU were silent. Now, Spiridon Ignatyev (Commissar of Foreign Affairs) stood up and began to speak:

"We feel that Napoleonic Europa is making a baseless argument over here. Australia has seen its days of monarchy. Those days are gone now. And, even if there is a monarchy today, it is certain that there will be violence over the post of "king" and related successions."

Now Marshall Yegor (Marshall of the Union) stood up and said "This is our proposal for restoring peace in Australia.
He hands down a paper, where the following was written:

USSU Proposal in the aftermath of the war

1. The sovereignty of USSNA must be recognized and respected
2. There will be no rebel state.
3. All ideological factions will be represented in the USSNA government and parliament.
4. All territories occupied by fellow comrade states must be returned to USSNA
5. All nations will pull out their troops as soon as possible when the decision is reached.

6. Fascist/Monarchical nations will claim no ownership of the occupied territories. They will be returned to USSNA.
"So comrades" Ignatyev said "Fair enough?"

We agree with this, but all 3 Australias would also like to form a united Australian state, which would be a parliamentary republic.

The People's Republic of Oflandia supports this. So far it seems that no one but France wants a Monarchy, least of all the Australian people, so a Presidential system seems best. We are pleased with the progress we are making here.

[Napoleonic Europa]

Void all my posts, hopefully the thread dies faster that way.

[Oflandia]

Well, if the French are dropping out, are we all agreed then? A united democratic Australia, with a President?

[Napoleonic Europa]

A. I said void them.
B. Liamese and Free America are still in opposition

[Usowar]

So far into the meeting the two representatives of USSU were silent. Now, Spiridon Ignatyev (Commissar of Foreign Affairs) stood up and began to speak:

"We feel that Napoleonic Europa is making a baseless argument over here. Australia has seen its days of monarchy. Those days are gone now. And, even if there is a monarchy today, it is certain that there will be violence over the post of "king" and related successions."

Now Marshall Yegor (Marshall of the Union) stood up and said "This is our proposal for restoring peace in Australia.
He hands down a paper, where the following was written:

USSU Proposal in the aftermath of the war

1. The sovereignty of USSNA must be recognized and respected
2. There will be no rebel state.
3. All ideological factions will be represented in the USSNA government and parliament.
4. All territories occupied by fellow comrade states must be returned to USSNA
5. All nations will pull out their troops as soon as possible when the decision is reached.

6. Fascist/Monarchical nations will claim no ownership of the occupied territories. They will be returned to USSNA.
"So comrades" Ignatyev said "Fair enough?"

We agree with this, but all 3 Australias would also like to form a united Australian state, which would be a parliamentary republic.

We have no objection regarding the unification of three Australias, if the above terms are fulfilled. Let's do what is best for the Australian people.

[The Liamese Empire]

(OOC: ??? That was a while ago, not the same offer.)
"How do you know there would be violence? You've never had monarchy before, although you have seen violence under the ideologies you wish to allow into your democracy. If the Presidency is so similar to a monarchy as you claim it is why should they fear it?"

"I believe these negotiations should be leading to creating a government that the people of Australia choose, It is none of anybody present's business what government type they choose, it can be a constitutional monarchy or a parliamentary republic, as long as the people choose it and wish it to be their government. We should have the Australian people and the nations on the continent vote on it, so that their voices are heard"

"Why should the Australians get what they want when more of my men fought on the continent? Not to mention that they have been stupid enough to want socialism and fascism in the past."

[Oflandia]

"I believe these negotiations should be leading to creating a government that the people of Australia choose, It is none of anybody present's business what government type they choose, it can be a constitutional monarchy or a parliamentary republic, as long as the people choose it and wish it to be their government. We should have the Australian people and the nations on the continent vote on it, so that their voices are heard"

"Why should the Australians get what they want when more of my men fought on the continent? Not to mention that they have been stupid enough to want socialism and fascism in the past."

The Australians get what they want because they live there. Basic democracy.

[The Liamese Empire]

"Why should the Australians get what they want when more of my men fought on the continent? Not to mention that they have been stupid enough to want socialism and fascism in the past."

The Australians get what they want because they live there. Basic democracy.

"That is the case when it comes to future government matters but as of now, we are still deciding how the government will run. As for anyone who opposes the idea of monarchy, why should you oppose somebody with no government powers? The head of government will be different than the head of state and the king of Australia will only be as powerful as the queen of England. the only reason that this is better than the presidency you all want is that the king would be a bi-partisan figure while the president would be seen as an evil figure that the leading party chooses without any word from the people."

[Northern Australia]

The Australians get what they want because they live there. Basic democracy.

"That is the case when it comes to future government matters but as of now, we are still deciding how the government will run. As for anyone who opposes the idea of monarchy, why should you oppose somebody with no government powers? The head of government will be different than the head of state and the king of Australia will only be as powerful as the queen of England. the only reason that this is better than the presidency you all want is that the king would be a bi-partisan figure while the president would be seen as an evil figure that the leading party chooses without any word from the people."

our president would be directly elected by the people, not chosen by the leading party. The only real difference is that they would stay in office until they are voted out, unlike a monarch.

[Arthropol]

Removed for retcon purposes (2019-08-01)

[The Liamese Empire]

"That is the case when it comes to future government matters but as of now, we are still deciding how the government will run. As for anyone who opposes the idea of monarchy, why should you oppose somebody with no government powers? The head of government will be different than the head of state and the king of Australia will only be as powerful as the queen of England. the only reason that this is better than the presidency you all want is that the king would be a bi-partisan figure while the president would be seen as an evil figure that the leading party chooses without any word from the people."

our president would be directly elected by the people, not chosen by the leading party. The only real difference is that they would stay in office until they are voted out, unlike a monarch.

That doesn't change the fact that a nation as divided as a new Australia would need a bi-partisan figure to represent the state.

[The Liamese Empire]

The emperor then nonchalantly states "If you don't accept our deal, we could just see Australia being a nuclear wasteland."

[Usowar]

Ignatyev (Commissar of Foreign Affairs) turns to Liamese delegate and tries to provide a counterargument

"A king cannot rule Australia because of two main reasons. The first is "quo warranto" that is, "by what warrent". I want to ask that, on what basis the king will rule Australia? He isn't chosen by the people and neither by God (Divine Theory), as monarchies around the world claim. People will start to question the legitimacy of this newly created post. When they will fail to find it, protests will emerge leading to violence. "

Ignatyev took a sip of water, and then continued

"The second is the Royal family. Who will be its members? Will they be from all factions of Australia? It would often look like that the king is favoring a social group upon the other. What will happen then?

"I would also like to clarify your concept of the president as "evil power". As the delegates from Northern Australia said before, the president will be directly elected by people. If his powers are limited, why will he be seen as evil? Hence, the post of president is the ultimate answer"

Saying this, Ignatyev sat down.

[Teuton Union]

A group of fascist rebels has taken over the south-western part of Northern Australia, who is demanding that they install a new government in Northern Australia. The rebels have taken control of multiple military bases and have 40,000 troops, using equipment supplied by multiple countries. Their equipment mostly consists of older American equipment like the M14 rifle and the F-16 fighter. The government has a military of 35,000 with mostly Russian equipment like the AK-74 rifle and the Su-30 fighter. All support is welcomed.

RULES

Realistic size military for the world today (1% Max of population)

This thread is for Australian wars only

where is the OOC thread?

[The Liamese Empire]

Ignatyev (Commissar of Foreign Affairs) turns to Liamese delegate and tries to provide a counterargument

"A king cannot rule Australia because of two main reasons. The first is "quo warranto" that is, "by what warrent". I want to ask that, on what basis the king will rule Australia? He isn't chosen by the people and neither by God (Divine Theory), as monarchies around the world claim. People will start to question the legitimacy of this newly created post. When they will fail to find it, protests will emerge leading to violence. "

Ignatyev took a sip of water, and then continued

"The second is the Royal family. Who will be its members? Will they be from all factions of Australia? It would often look like that the king is favoring a social group upon the other. What will happen then?

"I would also like to clarify your concept of the president as "evil power". As the delegates from Northern Australia said before, the president will be directly elected by people. If his powers are limited, why will he be seen as evil? Hence, the post of president is the ultimate answer"

Saying this, Ignatyev sat down.

"You are really continuing to push us even after we threaten to go nuclear? The king would have been divine because the king that makes the most sense would be of house of Windsor."

[Oflandia]

The People's Republic of Oflandia will not stand for this Liamese posturing. They are behaving like a spoilt child, threatening nuclear war because they didn't get what they wanted in a peace conference. Thankfully, The People's Republic of Oflandia is more reasonable. We propose a compromise. Let the Australians vote on it. We will hold a referendum on whether they want a Monarchy or President.

[Arthropol]

Removed for retcon purposes (2019-08-01)

[Thy Free American Empire]

I believe Australia should be united by a democratic republic.

OOC: Have we come to conclusion upon you actually "won" this war?

[Northern Australia]

I believe Australia should be united by a democratic republic.

OOC: Have we come to conclusion upon you actually "won" this war?

We agree, and also think that Australia should be a democratic parliamentary republic