Civil War in Northern Australia (IC/MT/Open)

[Oflandia]

Oflandian Foreign Minister Abdu Abiola, who has been quite for the meeting this far, spoke up. "The People's Republic of Oflandia believes democracy is the best way forward. There should be a parliamentary to represent the people, and there should be high local autonomy so the radically different views of the Australians can be heard.

"There is no need for local autonomy if the people have a complete right to free speech."

But the people of Australia have wildly different views. Communism, Fascism, Liberalism... The government will not be able to compromise between all these. The best solution is to have high local autonomy so that the people can be truly represented.

[The Liamese Empire]

"There is no need for local autonomy if the people have a complete right to free speech."

But the people of Australia have wildly different views. Communism, Fascism, Liberalism... The government will not be able to compromise between all these. The best solution is to have high local autonomy so that the people can be truly represented.

No, the best idea is to let people begin to unite under the new king instead of them splitting their identity. They can be split into different parties and it is those parties jobs to have people join them but they will all be Northern Australian

[Chuying]

But the people of Australia have wildly different views. Communism, Fascism, Liberalism... The government will not be able to compromise between all these. The best solution is to have high local autonomy so that the people can be truly represented.

No, the best idea is to let people begin to unite under the new king instead of them splitting their identity. They can be split into different parties and it is those parties jobs to have people join them but they will all be Northern Australian

OOC: You mean Australian, they're uniting the countries into one.

[The Liamese Empire]

No, the best idea is to let people begin to unite under the new king instead of them splitting their identity. They can be split into different parties and it is those parties jobs to have people join them but they will all be Northern Australian

OOC: You mean Australian, they're uniting the countries into one.

Yes I did

[Northern Australia]

But the people of Australia have wildly different views. Communism, Fascism, Liberalism... The government will not be able to compromise between all these. The best solution is to have high local autonomy so that the people can be truly represented.

No, the best idea is to let people begin to unite under the new king instead of them splitting their identity. They can be split into different parties and it is those parties jobs to have people join them but they will all be Northern Australian

There will not be a monarch, but instead a president who is largely ceremonial like the systems of all 3 Australias

[Napoleonic Europa]

No, the best idea is to let people begin to unite under the new king instead of them splitting their identity. They can be split into different parties and it is those parties jobs to have people join them but they will all be Northern Australian

There will not be a monarch, but instead a president who is largely ceremonial like the systems of all 3 Australias

"With respect, I don't believe you're in any position to make that happen. We are offering you this treaty and we believe a Constitutional Monarchy is the best compromise. If you refuse to compromise then we can end the treaty now." Morgane paused. "However, for the sake of the people of Australia I would recommend you do compromise."

[Northern Australia]

There will not be a monarch, but instead a president who is largely ceremonial like the systems of all 3 Australias

"With respect, I don't believe you're in any position to make that happen. We are offering you this treaty and we believe a Constitutional Monarchy is the best compromise. If you refuse to compromise then we can end the treaty now." Morgane paused. "However, for the sake of the people of Australia I would recommend you do compromise."

What reason to you want a monarchy, one, the people don't want a king, two, our system is very similar to one, except with the title of President

[Chuying]

There will not be a monarch, but instead a president who is largely ceremonial like the systems of all 3 Australias

"With respect, I don't believe you're in any position to make that happen. We are offering you this treaty and we believe a Constitutional Monarchy is the best compromise. If you refuse to compromise then we can end the treaty now." Morgane paused. "However, for the sake of the people of Australia I would recommend you do compromise."

"Perhaps, this is an unnecessary decision, the head of state will be ceremonial and only deal in certain matters, so we should move this matter to be decided by the people of Australia, after all, if we force them to have a certain system of government, it could cause resentment and lead to another civil war, this war was started exactly because of a government the people did not agree with! Is this what anyone wants? We must let the people of Australia decide what is best." the Prime Minister added,

[Northern Australia]

"With respect, I don't believe you're in any position to make that happen. We are offering you this treaty and we believe a Constitutional Monarchy is the best compromise. If you refuse to compromise then we can end the treaty now." Morgane paused. "However, for the sake of the people of Australia I would recommend you do compromise."

"Perhaps, this is an unnecessary decision, the head of state will be ceremonial and only deal in certain matters, so we should move this matter to be decided by the people of Australia, after all, if we force them to have a certain system of government, it could cause resentment and lead to another civil war, this war was started exactly because of a government the people did not agree with! Is this what anyone wants? We must let the people of Australia decide what is best." the Prime Minister added,

Exactly, i was about to say that. If there was a monarchy, there would be anti monarchy rebellions, leading to more violence.

[Napoleonic Europa]

"With respect, I don't believe you're in any position to make that happen. We are offering you this treaty and we believe a Constitutional Monarchy is the best compromise. If you refuse to compromise then we can end the treaty now." Morgane paused. "However, for the sake of the people of Australia I would recommend you do compromise."

What reason to you want a monarchy, one, the people don't want a king, two, our system is very similar to one, except with the title of President

"I have never had an anti-monarchy rebellion, why should there be one in Australia? The only rebellions in place have been those combating the exact ideologies you would allow in a democracy. It's quite clear a democracy will only divide the people further to the point of civil war."

[Northern Australia]

Democratic New Australia invites a representative from each government to discuss a peace treaty to limit loss of life, as the war has already killed nearly half of Australia's population. There will be a rebel controlled state in the north of NT, with Darwin as capital. All Australian governments including rebels have agreed to the treaty. (I know them IRL). Now its just up to the other governments to agree to the treaty

There will not be a monarch, but instead a president who is largely ceremonial like the systems of all 3 Australias

"With respect, I don't believe you're in any position to make that happen. We are offering you this treaty and we believe a Constitutional Monarchy is the best compromise. If you refuse to compromise then we can end the treaty now." Morgane paused. "However, for the sake of the people of Australia I would recommend you do compromise."

OOC- the DNA actually offered the treaty
The Australian people are different from the people in France. Our population doesn't like monarchy, and like I said, if there was a monarch in Australia, there would be violence. That's why we left the commonwealth in the first place.

[Napoleonic Europa]

Democratic New Australia invites a representative from each government to discuss a peace treaty to limit loss of life, as the war has already killed nearly half of Australia's population. There will be a rebel controlled state in the north of NT, with Darwin as capital. All Australian governments including rebels have agreed to the treaty. (I know them IRL). Now its just up to the other governments to agree to the treaty

"With respect, I don't believe you're in any position to make that happen. We are offering you this treaty and we believe a Constitutional Monarchy is the best compromise. If you refuse to compromise then we can end the treaty now." Morgane paused. "However, for the sake of the people of Australia I would recommend you do compromise."

OOC- the DNA actually offered the treaty
The Australian people are different from the people in France. Our population doesn't like monarchy, and like I said, if there was a monarch in Australia, there would be violence. That's why we left the commonwealth in the first place.

(OOC: ??? That was a while ago, not the same offer.)
"How do you know there would be violence? You've never had monarchy before, although you have seen violence under the ideologies you wish to allow into your democracy. If the Presidency is so similar to a monarchy as you claim it is why should they fear it?"

[Chuying]

(OOC: ??? That was a while ago, not the same offer.)
"How do you know there would be violence? You've never had monarchy before, although you have seen violence under the ideologies you wish to allow into your democracy. If the Presidency is so similar to a monarchy as you claim it is why should they fear it?"

"I believe these negotiations should be leading to creating a government that the people of Australia choose, It is none of anybody present's business what government type they choose, it can be a constitutional monarchy or a parliamentary republic, as long as the people choose it and wish it to be their government. We should have the Australian people and the nations on the continent vote on it, so that their voices are heard"

[Northern Australia]

OOC- the DNA actually offered the treaty
The Australian people are different from the people in France. Our population doesn't like monarchy, and like I said, if there was a monarch in Australia, there would be violence. That's why we left the commonwealth in the first place.

(OOC: ??? That was a while ago, not the same offer.)
"How do you know there would be violence? You've never had monarchy before, although you have seen violence under the ideologies you wish to allow into your democracy. If the Presidency is so similar to a monarchy as you claim it is why should they fear it?"

Actually, we were a monarchy before we spilt into 3. We were part of the Commonwealth (like real life Australia) and the resulting anti-monarchy violence eventually evolved into a massive civil war where Australia split into 3.

[Northern Australia]

(OOC: ??? That was a while ago, not the same offer.)
"How do you know there would be violence? You've never had monarchy before, although you have seen violence under the ideologies you wish to allow into your democracy. If the Presidency is so similar to a monarchy as you claim it is why should they fear it?"

"I believe these negotiations should be leading to creating a government that the people of Australia choose, It is none of anybody present's business what government type they choose, it can be a constitutional monarchy or a parliamentary republic, as long as the people choose it and wish it to be their government. We should have the Australian people and the nations on the continent vote on it, so that their voices are heard"

We agree, we think this peace treaty should focus on Australian interests, not interests of other countries like Liamese Empire or France.

[Napoleonic Europa]

"Allow me to rephrase for all of you as none of you are willing to compromise.

I am not making peace, I am imposing it. If you refuse to adhere to a moderate system I shall have no choice but to continue the war."

[Northern Australia]

"Allow me to rephrase for all of you as none of you are willing to compromise.

I am not making peace, I am imposing it. If you refuse to adhere to a moderate system I shall have no choice but to continue the war."

How is our democratic semi-presidential system not moderate? Even under a constitutional monarchy the same parties exist unless political freedom is severely limited! You are essentially threatening war because you don't like our head of state's title and how long they stay in office.

EDIT- wrong terminology, I mean the system coloured in orange on this page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_republic

[Napoleonic Europa]

"Allow me to rephrase for all of you as none of you are willing to compromise.

I am not making peace, I am imposing it. If you refuse to adhere to a moderate system I shall have no choice but to continue the war."

How is our democratic semi-presidential system not moderate? Even under a constitutional monarchy the same parties exist unless political freedom is severely limited! You are essentially threatening war because you don't like our head of state's title and how long they stay in office.

"A president doesn't serve for life based on his bloodline. Only a fool would call them the same thing. The system you propose is for all practical purposes a democracy, not a constitutional monarchy." (OOC: Remember in this nation's universe the modern puppet style constitutional monarchy never took hold, so it would be a relationship similar to that under Queen Victoria and similar 19th century rulers to their parliaments.)

Morgane stood up, looking away from the group at the table as she put on the white gloves she had taken off when she entered the room she said "I offered a reasonable compromise and the release of those currently in power with no punishment."

She looked back to the group at the table, "and was denied. You are in no position to argue these things and within the next few days the government of North Australia will be executed if you continue your extremities. Would any of you care to change your mind before I return to Paris to start up the war again?"

[Chuying]

"Allow me to rephrase for all of you as none of you are willing to compromise.

I am not making peace, I am imposing it. If you refuse to adhere to a moderate system I shall have no choice but to continue the war."

"No. It seems YOU'RE the one is unwilling to compromise, and to be quite honest, this behavior is unfitting of a head of state, you must understand that either way there will be war if you impose this system the Australians do not want. If you impose a system only your nation wants, there will be a revolution or conflict soon with the Australians, if you don't compromise and allow them to choose, you'll also return to war. You must understand this is not about you, this is about Australia, and if you threaten to return to such unpleasant measures, you can be sure our nation will let you deal with it yourself, Australia can crumble for all I care if you impose this peace, which is quite honestly just neocolonialism or a puppet government, submitting to your unrealistic demands.

Either you submit to Australia's people and their expectations of government, or the people of Australia and their allies will become something that you do not wish to be in conflict with."

[Northern Australia]

How is our democratic semi-presidential system not moderate? Even under a constitutional monarchy the same parties exist unless political freedom is severely limited! You are essentially threatening war because you don't like our head of state's title and how long they stay in office.

"A president doesn't serve for life based on his bloodline. Only a fool would call them the same thing. The system you propose is for all practical purposes a democracy, not a constitutional monarchy." (OOC: Remember in this nation's universe the modern puppet style constitutional monarchy never took hold, so it would be a relationship similar to that under Queen Victoria and similar 19th century rulers to their parliaments.)

Morgane stood up, looking away from the group at the table as she put on the white gloves she had taken off when she entered the room she said "I offered a reasonable compromise and the release of those currently in power with no punishment."

She looked back to the group at the table, "and was denied. You are in no position to argue these things and within the next few days the government of North Australia will be executed if you continue your extremities. Would any of you care to change your mind before I return to Paris to start up the war again?"

Whats your definition of 'Constitutional Monarchy'
In this nation's alternate history, a constitutional monarchy is the same, what countries like Canada, UK and Australia are like.

[Napoleonic Europa]

"A president doesn't serve for life based on his bloodline. Only a fool would call them the same thing. The system you propose is for all practical purposes a democracy, not a constitutional monarchy." (OOC: Remember in this nation's universe the modern puppet style constitutional monarchy never took hold, so it would be a relationship similar to that under Queen Victoria and similar 19th century rulers to their parliaments.)

Morgane stood up, looking away from the group at the table as she put on the white gloves she had taken off when she entered the room she said "I offered a reasonable compromise and the release of those currently in power with no punishment."

She looked back to the group at the table, "and was denied. You are in no position to argue these things and within the next few days the government of North Australia will be executed if you continue your extremities. Would any of you care to change your mind before I return to Paris to start up the war again?"

Whats your definition of 'Constitutional Monarchy'
In this nation's alternate history, a constitutional monarchy is the same, what countries like Canada, UK and Australia are like.

(OOC: In this timeline it's where the parliament and monarchy have relatively even power. As I said quite like the reign of Queen Victoria in the real timeline, where she could exercise her power but anything Parliament disagreed with could be shot down, and vice versa.

EDIT: You should also keep in mind Morgane's perspective here:

• France's only experiment with Republican government had the Reign of Terror and the mass guillotining of people
• Republics allows fools and ugly groups like fascists and communists to take power
• Constitutional Monarchy is also susceptible to this, but much less so than a republic

)

[Northern Australia]

Whats your definition of 'Constitutional Monarchy'
In this nation's alternate history, a constitutional monarchy is the same, what countries like Canada, UK and Australia are like.

(OOC: In this timeline it's where the parliament and monarchy have relatively even power. As I said quite like the reign of Queen Victoria in the real timeline, where she could exercise her power but anything Parliament disagreed with could be shot down, and vice versa.)

We don't like that as it's essentially a dictatorship and if the monarch is really bad, it would be bad for the people. How are you going to execute the leaders when you haven't won Brisbane yet? As we said before, this peace treaty should represent Australian interests, not those of other foreign countries.

[Napoleonic Europa]

(OOC: In this timeline it's where the parliament and monarchy have relatively even power. As I said quite like the reign of Queen Victoria in the real timeline, where she could exercise her power but anything Parliament disagreed with could be shot down, and vice versa.)

We don't like that as it's essentially a dictatorship and if the monarch is really bad, it would be bad for the people. How are you going to execute the leaders when you haven't won Brisbane yet? As we said before, this peace treaty should represent Australian interests, not those of other foreign countries.

(OOC: OOC means out of character)

[Northern Australia]

Whats your definition of 'Constitutional Monarchy'
In this nation's alternate history, a constitutional monarchy is the same, what countries like Canada, UK and Australia are like.

(OOC: In this timeline it's where the parliament and monarchy have relatively even power. As I said quite like the reign of Queen Victoria in the real timeline, where she could exercise her power but anything Parliament disagreed with could be shot down, and vice versa.

EDIT: You should also keep in mind Morgane's perspective here:

• France's only experiment with Republican government had the Reign of Terror and the mass guillotining of people
• Republics allows fools and ugly groups like fascists and communists to take power
• Constitutional Monarchy is also susceptible to this, but much less so than a republic

)

Well, Australia is not France. We don't even use the death penalty here. We also will have a constitution that guarantees things that cannot be infringed on by anyone, to stop radicals like fascists oppressing freedom or somehting.

[Napoleonic Europa]

(OOC: If you're not going to recognize what OOC means I think I'll just drop out of this rp, it's pretty pointless anyways.)