Thamesholmian expansion war (IC/MT/TG to enter)

[Yusufzai Swat]

OOC:
In less than a year?
Both your reasons they could sustain their gains would also apply to the Soviets.

OOC: The initial invasion happened in mid 2022 with them establishing control over most of the country around early 2025. Soviets have hardly had an experience with a large-scale partisan activity beforehand- and although they did commit a reasonable amount of war crimes, said crimes are nowhere near the amount of genocides, attacks on civilian targets and outright purges Laka has committed (or is committing) over the blood-stained timeline of their colonial might. I mean in some colonies there has been armed resistance ever since they’ve installed their power there, which in some cases results in more than two-centuries-long bush war. They’re also way ahead of soviets in terms of chemical and biological weapons and use them non-sparingly if need arises. Unlike the soviets they do not even pretend to assist any local people, being fairly open about their imperialistic deeds- and Chinese when they’re not denying evenrything are stating that they’re there to protect the Chinese people from Taliban terrorist attacks (canonically the Chinese may or may not have made these attacks themselves to gain a cases beli)

OOC: Two centuries long Bush War?

Is your population 90% female due to casualties or something? (even if you allowed women to join your army on the same terms as men, without affirmative action of some kind fewer women would pass the fitness test)

[Laka Strolistandiler]

OOC: Two centuries long Bush War?

Is your population 90% female due to casualties or something? (even if you allowed women to join your army on the same terms as men, without affirmative action of some kind fewer women would pass the fitness test)

OOC: Eh it’s your usual British-ish colonial conflict in Africa- and it’s not like such conflicts turn into an all-consuming modern conflicts. In have the prime example of such a conflict would be Xhosa wars- there has been not one not two but NINE in total.

Female soldiers are a usual thing here because of a far lower sexual dimorphism present in ingenious Lakan population- which is also why gender stereotypes here are less prominent than elsewhere. Essentially when the locals mixed with the arriving Europeans this trait turned out to be dominant, and resulted in traditional gender roles not being a thing here. Thus, many Lakan women are physically around the same as men.

[Yusufzai Swat]

OOC: Two centuries long Bush War?

Is your population 90% female due to casualties or something? (even if you allowed women to join your army on the same terms as men, without affirmative action of some kind fewer women would pass the fitness test)

OOC: Eh it’s your usual British-ish colonial conflict in Africa- and it’s not like such conflicts turn into an all-consuming modern conflicts. In have the prime example of such a conflict would be Xhosa wars- there has been not one not two but NINE in total.

Female soldiers are a usual thing here because of a far lower sexual dimorphism present in ingenious Lakan population- which is also why gender stereotypes here are less prominent than elsewhere. Essentially when the locals mixed with the arriving Europeans this trait turned out to be dominant, and resulted in traditional gender roles not being a thing here. Thus, many Lakan women are physically around the same as men.

OOC: Well the British didn't manage to impose direct rule over Afghanistan (so your protectorate would have to allow a substantial degree if autonomy if your military power was like 19th century Britain).

But you said 200 years? Rather than 100?

[Laka Strolistandiler]

OOC: Well the British didn't manage to impose direct rule over Afghanistan (so your protectorate would have to allow a substantial degree if autonomy if your military power was like 19th century Britain).

But you said 200 years? Rather than 100?

OOC: The British had no chemical and/or biological weapons, aviation, armored vehicles (or any vehicles in general) when they tried to impose their direct rule. Although the Taliban wouldn’t be fighting back with flintlocks too, but you cannot recruit terrorists when the majority of the population are either scared that because of a mere suspection of them being aligned with the rebels their whole family will be executed, or in cases of whole kishlacks, bombed into the ground.

It could be argued that the Xhosa wars were only a part of a far larger military conflict in the South Africa which, stopping for a few decades here and there, mostly terminated when Rhodesia finally gave the majority rule in 1979

[Yusufzai Swat]

OOC: Well the British didn't manage to impose direct rule over Afghanistan (so your protectorate would have to allow a substantial degree if autonomy if your military power was like 19th century Britain).

But you said 200 years? Rather than 100?

OOC: The British had no chemical and/or biological weapons, aviation, armored vehicles (or any vehicles in general) when they tried to impose their direct rule. Although the Taliban wouldn’t be fighting back with flintlocks too, but you cannot recruit terrorists when the majority of the population are either scared that because of a mere suspection of them being aligned with the rebels their whole family will be executed, or in cases of whole kishlacks, bombed into the ground.

It could be argued that the Xhosa wars were only a part of a far larger military conflict in the South Africa which, stopping for a few decades here and there, mostly terminated when Rhodesia finally gave the majority rule in 1979

OOC: Whether or not you'd win rests on one question, would you be willing to nuke Afghanistan to destruction to make a point?

If the answer is yes, then you could win.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

OOC: Whether or not you'd win rests on one question, would you be willing to nuke Afghanistan to destruction to make a point?

If the answer is yes, then you could win.

OOC: Nuking it is a waste of nuclear weapons and good resources. It’s not like they’re invading Afghanistan because they want to prove that they’re cooler than Britain, USSR and US but rather because they are after the country’s mineral resources. They will use tactical nuclear weapons (which even the Chinese have questioned) here and there but most of all they rely on either conventional warfare or WMD’s of their types. And they will take precautions so that the biological weapons would not cause a global pandemic of some sort they’re not that stupid

[Yusufzai Swat]

OOC: Whether or not you'd win rests on one question, would you be willing to nuke Afghanistan to destruction to make a point?

If the answer is yes, then you could win.

OOC: Nuking it is a waste of nuclear weapons and good resources. It’s not like they’re invading Afghanistan because they want to prove that they’re cooler than Britain, USSR and US but rather because they are after the country’s mineral resources. They will use tactical nuclear weapons (which even the Chinese have questioned) here and there but most of all they rely on either conventional warfare or WMD’s of their types. And they will take precautions so that the biological weapons would not cause a global pandemic of some sort they’re not that stupid

OOC: Then what's to stop war crimes meaning the Afghans simply fight harder to avenge their families (Who you killed)?
The only way of doing that would be to make it literally impossible for them to defeat you.

[Thamesholm and Wallborough]

IC: "I think, Lord-President, that we should send military police to question here."

[Laka Strolistandiler]

OOC: Then what's to stop war crimes meaning the Afghans simply fight harder to avenge their families (Who you killed)?
The only way of doing that would be to make it literally impossible for them to defeat you.

OOC: That’s the actual difference between the previous captors and Laka. Lakans know how to kill whole countries and have done this exactly here. They might fight harder and more relentlessly but that actually works better for them- because they will be dying quickly. Eventually the civilian population will diminish to a point where they will be basically running out of people to throw into the battle- and Lakans are more than willing to “assist” them in that issue via extermination programs. They’re not afraid of Afghans causing some casualties in fact their colonial regiments are trained and equipped mainly to deal with conflicts like these.

[Thamesholm and Wallborough]

OOC: Then what's to stop war crimes meaning the Afghans simply fight harder to avenge their families (Who you killed)?
The only way of doing that would be to make it literally impossible for them to defeat you.

OOC: That’s the actual difference between the previous captors and Laka. Lakans know how to kill whole countries and have done this exactly here. They might fight harder and more relentlessly but that actually works better for them- because they will be dying quickly. Eventually the civilian population will diminish to a point where they will be basically running out of people to throw into the battle- and Lakans are more than willing to “assist” them in that issue via extermination programs. They’re not afraid of Afghans causing some casualties in fact their colonial regiments are trained and equipped mainly to deal with conflicts like these.

OOC: Ok.
IC:

IC: "I think, Lord-President, that we should send military police to question here."

OOC: I meant "question her" not 'here'

[Alfordshire]

"The 33rd Stealth Bomber Wing would be instrumental in decapitating Thameshomian leadership. Sneaking through the Thamesholmian air defense network through stealth and other air-wings providing distraction for the Air defenses, the 33rd would be charged with deep penetration strikes into enemy territory targeting Thamesholmian command installations. They would be accompanied by multiple wings of bombers, all firing cruise missiles at important targets." - Excerpt from "The Air War - The Thameshomian Intervention"

Shock and Awe; Part 1

The MRF71N roared into the air with full afterburners, with the afterburners lighting up the dark night sky. It would join over 100 other aircraft in striking Thamesholmian C3I Installations and other targets of importance. Another objective was to pave a way to the Thamesholmian Capital. The targeting list included a grand total of 10 command centers, 4 SAM sites, and major military concentrations.

A few hours later, the air-wings arrived. SEAD missiles roared to life as multiple air-wings danced for air-superiority over the dark night sky. Multiple impacts lit up the shore as SAM batteries were hit by saturated attacks of great magnitude, all aiming for radar sites and other installations.

This trifecta of operations was joined by more cruise missiles launched from loitering bombers, all of them targeting important enemy Command installations. Multiple command sites got lit up by cruise missiles, with R4 surveillance aircraft listening to the cries of command personnel.

As the day dawned, one thing was clear. Alfordshire had completely gutted multiple Thamesholmian Command centers and had crippled multiple Air Defense sites. This was joined by more strikes on known military concentrations.

It was not over. The 33rd Bomber wing was fast approaching their targets, which were the SAM sites within the Thamesholmian Capital and the presidential palace. With the chaos caused by the strikes against the command centers, the 33rd Bomber wing snuck in and was able to bomb the SAM site and the Presidential Palace through 1000kg laser-guided bombs.

Observers would call it the day of the tracers, as AA tracers listlessly roared into the air; with no target in sight.

The day would not be without loss. Over 10 planes were shot down due to enemy SAM fire, which represented the inherent danger of SEAD operations. A further 5 were lost to enemy action. A older SAM battery was able to gain a lock and down a stealth bomber, but the wreckage would be hit by cruise missiles a few days later.

With 3 pilots in Thameshomian custody, NAVSPECWAR started planning a rescue operation.

A chartered jet carrying important members of Alfordshirian Military staff would touch down in Bretslava a few hours after the air operations. SECDEF Elmart would be accompanied by multiple members of Alfordshirian military staff.

OOC: Alright, this is a little shorter. Please post reasonable losses; a 1000kg bomb doesn't just dent a palace.

[Thamesholm and Wallborough]

"The 33rd Stealth Bomber Wing would be instrumental in decapitating Thameshomian leadership. Sneaking through the Thamesholmian air defense network through stealth and other air-wings providing distraction for the Air defenses, the 33rd would be charged with deep penetration strikes into enemy territory targeting Thamesholmian command installations. They would be accompanied by multiple wings of bombers, all firing cruise missiles at important targets." - Excerpt from "The Air War - The Thameshomian Intervention"

Shock and Awe; Part 1

The MRF71N roared into the air with full afterburners, with the afterburners lighting up the dark night sky. It would join over 100 other aircraft in striking Thamesholmian C3I Installations and other targets of importance. Another objective was to pave a way to the Thamesholmian Capital. The targeting list included a grand total of 10 command centers, 4 SAM sites, and major military concentrations.

A few hours later, the air-wings arrived. SEAD missiles roared to life as multiple air-wings danced for air-superiority over the dark night sky. Multiple impacts lit up the shore as SAM batteries were hit by saturated attacks of great magnitude, all aiming for radar sites and other installations.

This trifecta of operations was joined by more cruise missiles launched from loitering bombers, all of them targeting important enemy Command installations. Multiple command sites got lit up by cruise missiles, with R4 surveillance aircraft listening to the cries of command personnel.

As the day dawned, one thing was clear. Alfordshire had completely gutted multiple Thamesholmian Command centers and had crippled multiple Air Defense sites. This was joined by more strikes on known military concentrations.

It was not over. The 33rd Bomber wing was fast approaching their targets, which were the SAM sites within the Thamesholmian Capital and the presidential palace. With the chaos caused by the strikes against the command centers, the 33rd Bomber wing snuck in and was able to bomb the SAM site and the Presidential Palace through 1000kg laser-guided bombs.

Observers would call it the day of the tracers, as AA tracers listlessly roared into the air; with no target in sight.

The day would not be without loss. Over 10 planes were shot down due to enemy SAM fire, which represented the inherent danger of SEAD operations. A further 5 were lost to enemy action. A older SAM battery was able to gain a lock and down a stealth bomber, but the wreckage would be hit by cruise missiles a few days later.

With 3 pilots in Thameshomian custody, NAVSPECWAR started planning a rescue operation.

A chartered jet carrying important members of Alfordshirian Military staff would touch down in Bretslava a few hours after the air operations. SECDEF Elmart would be accompanied by multiple members of Alfordshirian military staff.

OOC: Alright, this is a little shorter. Please post reasonable losses; a 1000kg bomb doesn't just dent a palace.

IC: 64% of the high command die, all officers ranked Maj.Gen/Rear Admiral/Air Commodore or above are replaced by a bunch of Colonels and the occasional Brigadier (in both cases selected from the special forces).

However, whilst they are planning the rescue operations the three pilots have already been sacrificed.

[Yusufzai Swat]

IC:
Three months later
Danyal Khan has entered Special Forces Training School. After six months, their skills will be tested and then they will undergo continuing training alongside active service.

Laka Strolistandiler has colonised part of Swat

[Thamesholm and Wallborough]

IC:
Three months later
IC: The extensive bombing campaign has meant OF-3 ranked special forces personnel have been promoted to Brigadier-Generals, the average age for a Major-General is now 32.5 whilst the average age for a chief of staff is just 37.5

Meanwhile, due to the deaths of many military personnel,
special forces NCOs have been commissioned from the ranks, even without university degrees, and placed in charge of platoons of soldiers, whilst all surviving special forces officers are placed in charge of at least a company/squadron/vessel.

A female fighter pilot and Muslim convert was found to have sympathies for the previous government of Swat, she was executed.


Meanwhile, military order outside of the special forces has broken down and has civil order except amongst the police and clergy, political prisoner labour has become the main source of agricultural and manufactured products and 7.69% of the Thamesholmian population has PTSD.

The new, even more, fanatical group of Majors, Colonels, Brigadiers and Generals suggests using nuclear force against the enemy.

[Alfordshire]

Three Months Later

The Alfordshirian Logistics chain has finally caught up. Land Force divisions have been embarked on landing ships; all waiting for the order to go.

It took 3 months to completely sort out the mess of logistics. 90 days to send strategic redeployment orders to Land Force divisions and to get them on ships. 90 days to get the MEUs organized for the last landing. The bombing campaign has intensified in the last few days; with the use of cruise missiles being replaced with glide bombs to allow replenishment of stock. Hotspots of encrypted transmission is hit by Alfordshirian bombs, continually wearing down Thamesholmian Command Structures.

The people of Alfordshire had become much more angry with the Thamesholmian Goverment due to the sacrifice of the pilots. The gloves were taken off and the first strategic civilian targets were hit. Guided bombs hit railway lines, dockyards and highway bridges, all in the name of revenge.

Operation For Honor was a go.

20 IFVs slowly approached the sea-line. Expecting no significant resistance, they were able to easily dispatch the remaining fortifications through their autocannon. The pearly white beaches were interrupted by the sounds of battle, as NLF forces battled to secure a beachhead.

With the beachhead secured, the engineers set up multiple docks. The first Land Force divisions disembarked from the transport ships.

In Bretslava, the Staff requests that Nitrana makes a coastal landing and transmits a full targeting list with all targets hit.

The days of Thamesholm were now numbered.

OOC: I can make the cruise missile strikes less destructive and retcon the total destruction of the Thamesholmian command structure if you want to fight a conventional war instead of a guerilla one.

1st Infantry Division
1st Mech. Inf
2nd Mech. Inf
3rd Mot. Inf
4th Mot. Inf
5th Armored
6th Armored
Support Artillery and Logistics

2nd Armored Cavalry
1st Armored
2nd Armored
3rd Armored
4th Mech. Inf
Support Artillery and Logistics

3rd Armored Division
1st Armored Btn.
2nd Armored Btn.
3rd Armored Btn.
5th Infantry Btn.
6th Infantry Btn.

[Thamesholm and Wallborough]

Three Months Later

The Alfordshirian Logistics chain has finally caught up. Land Force divisions have been embarked on landing ships; all waiting for the order to go.

It took 3 months to completely sort out the mess of logistics. 90 days to send strategic redeployment orders to Land Force divisions and to get them on ships. 90 days to get the MEUs organized for the last landing. The bombing campaign has intensified in the last few days; with the use of cruise missiles being replaced with glide bombs to allow replenishment of stock. Hotspots of encrypted transmission is hit by Alfordshirian bombs, continually wearing down Thamesholmian Command Structures.

The people of Alfordshire had become much more angry with the Thamesholmian Goverment due to the sacrifice of the pilots. The gloves were taken off and the first strategic civilian targets were hit. Guided bombs hit railway lines, dockyards and highway bridges, all in the name of revenge.

Operation For Honor was a go.

20 IFVs slowly approached the sea-line. Expecting no significant resistance, they were able to easily dispatch the remaining fortifications through their autocannon. The pearly white beaches were interrupted by the sounds of battle, as NLF forces battled to secure a beachhead.

With the beachhead secured, the engineers set up multiple docks. The first Land Force divisions disembarked from the transport ships.

In Bretslava, the Staff requests that Nitrana makes a coastal landing and transmits a full targeting list with all targets hit.

The days of Thamesholm were now numbered.

OOC: I can make the cruise missile strikes less destructive and retcon the total destruction of the Thamesholmian command structure if you want to fight a conventional war instead of a guerilla one.

1st Infantry Division
1st Mech. Inf
2nd Mech. Inf
3rd Mot. Inf
4th Mot. Inf
5th Armored
6th Armored
Support Artillery and Logistics

2nd Armored Cavalry
1st Armored
2nd Armored
3rd Armored
4th Mech. Inf
Support Artillery and Logistics

3rd Armored Division
1st Armored Btn.
2nd Armored Btn.
3rd Armored Btn.
5th Infantry Btn.
6th Infantry Btn.

IC: "Lord-President, what plans do you have for guerrilla warfare?" Lord-President Hereward the Woke is asked.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

OOC: Azad, I did not consent to the timeskip.

[Thamesholm and Wallborough]

OOC: Azad, I did not consent to the timeskip.

OOC: You were outvoted, I believe you said you support majoritarian democracy.

IC: "Just give the word and we'll nuke these unwoke nations back into the Stone Age they came from!" says the new Army chief.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

OOC: Azad, I did not consent to the timeskip.

OOC: You were outvoted, I believe you said you support majoritarian democracy.

IC: "Just give the word and we'll nuke these unwoke nations back into the Stone Age they came from!" says the new Army chief.

OOC: I support it when I get the result I favour.

[Thamesholm and Wallborough]

OOC: You were outvoted, I believe you said you support majoritarian democracy.

IC: "Just give the word and we'll nuke these unwoke nations back into the Stone Age they came from!" says the new Army chief.

OOC: I support it when I get the result I favour.

OOC: LOL, you're great!
Anyway the results were predicted, that it would be Dodging, fanaticism and nukes versus nukes and everything except Dodging and fanaticism.

IC:
"Just give the order, Lord-President".

[Cantport]

OOC: I support it when I get the result I favour.

OOC: LOL, you're great!
Anyway the results were predicted, that it would be Dodging, fanaticism and nukes versus nukes and everything except Dodging and fanaticism.

IC:
"Just give the order, Lord-President".

IC: Robert Butler and the King both approve the nuking of Thamesholm and Wallborough into nothingness, THE END.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

OOC: LOL, you're great!
Anyway the results were predicted, that it would be Dodging, fanaticism and nukes versus nukes and everything except Dodging and fanaticism.

IC:
"Just give the order, Lord-President".

IC: Robert Butler and the King both approve the nuking of Thamesholm and Wallborough into nothingness, THE END.

OOC: Eh, don’t forget that mine AEGIS-equipped warships are in the area! What types of delivery system and how is used to nuke?
IC: Three months pass and the Lakan protectorate, named the Duchy of *local town name, YS is up to decide it* has seen a lot of change. The Lakan invasion fleet has seemingly turned the local port into their new naval base, attempting to overtake many facilities and building many more. For construction they sometimes employ locals, however usually they prefer their own men- and if the locals are deemed politically unreliable, they’ll give up on the idea of local recruitment at all. A stream of Lakan and Imperial corporations, firms and companies enter the land, seeking whatever new facilities and ways to earn money they can install- however they are hardly your cliche “evil corporation”- for despite operating outside of the Metropoly they are still subject to all rules and regulations regarding payment, workplace safety, etc. They are much more liberal in local employment than the armed forces.
Army, Air Service and even Space Corps have all set up their facilities in the region, with the Kolonialtrupplers creating a small regiment, which will increase in activity and numbers of locals will resist an occupation. Some Lakan regulars are send there to guard borders, all while the army attempts to raise a local regiment, intending to use them as rear guards. All of them bring along strategic weapons, with two Air Force tactical bombers armed with nuclear weapons being a worthy example. An early warning radar is being built and AEGIS Ashore is also being constructed, temporarily replaced with several AEGIS-equipped ships moored off the coast as well as THAAD’s stationed inlands.

Many considerations are done to safety to prevent large-scale political uprisings and generally maintain law and order. Effectively, no changes to the legal system is made, excluding the forced implementation of Lakan oversight over courts as well as laws creating total gender equality, LGBTQ tolerance and anti-family-violence laws (and stuff like that). No attempts at raising a collaborative government is made, because they know that this is going to fail.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

OOC: Azad why did you nuke T&W

[Thamesholm and Wallborough]

OOC: Azad why did you nuke T&W

OOC: Cantport thought they'd be an extreme threat if allowed to rebuild so pre-emptively nuked them.

[Alfordshire]

OOC: Ah, there goes the counter-insurgency RP I wanted to do. Oh well. Will get to countries reactions tomorrow.