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Postby Nevertopia » Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:32 am

i just had a bidding war with the no.1 guy for card collections and holy moly, he used puppets to buy and sell cards he has for a higher price and baited me into overpaying what I presume to be a bot of his. 200iq plays.
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Postby Fauzjhia » Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:47 am

yeah. Koem Kab has more then 2000 puppets. who solely exist for increasing his own collections.
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Postby Pigeonstan » Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:36 pm

i never thought to use puppets to drive up a price
and you can use it to transfer money to puppets and mains
ok this is awesome
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Postby Koskalherria » Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:16 pm

The card market is a free for all, especially when it comes to bidding for epic and legendary cards. You'd think after a player had collected multiple copies of the same card that they'd be willing to leave some for the rest of us but sharing appears to be an unknown concept to the player you're referring to.
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Postby The Cosmic Mainframe » Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:20 pm

Nevertopia wrote:i just had a bidding war with the no.1 guy for card collections and holy moly, he used puppets to buy and sell cards he has for a higher price and baited me into overpaying what I presume to be a bot of his. 200iq plays.

That's a fairly old trick. It's best to only bid if you're willing to pay the full amount, for precisely that reason.
Pigeonstan wrote:i never thought to use puppets to drive up a price
and you can use it to transfer money to puppets and mains
ok this is awesome

It truly is, you should join the NS cards community ;)
Koskalherria wrote:The card market is a free for all, especially when it comes to bidding for epic and legendary cards. You'd think after a player had collected multiple copies of the same card that they'd be willing to leave some for the rest of us but the concept of sharing apparently doesn't occur to the player you're referring to.

Like in real-world capitalism, those who are generous with their cards are far less likely to reach #1 in the International Artwork leaderboard.
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Postby Pigeonstan » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:00 am

The Cosmic Mainframe wrote:
Nevertopia wrote:i just had a bidding war with the no.1 guy for card collections and holy moly, he used puppets to buy and sell cards he has for a higher price and baited me into overpaying what I presume to be a bot of his. 200iq plays.

That's a fairly old trick. It's best to only bid if you're willing to pay the full amount, for precisely that reason.
Pigeonstan wrote:i never thought to use puppets to drive up a price
and you can use it to transfer money to puppets and mains
ok this is awesome

It truly is, you should join the NS cards community ;)
Koskalherria wrote:The card market is a free for all, especially when it comes to bidding for epic and legendary cards. You'd think after a player had collected multiple copies of the same card that they'd be willing to leave some for the rest of us but the concept of sharing apparently doesn't occur to the player you're referring to.

Like in real-world capitalism, those who are generous with their cards are far less likely to reach #1 in the International Artwork leaderboard.

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Postby Coffin-Breathe » Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:19 am

The Cosmic Mainframe wrote:Like in real-world capitalism, those who are generous with their cards are far less likely to reach #1 in the International Artwork leaderboard.

Who cares ? This is just a game for fun and waisting leisure time - if someone has to rely on this form of acknowledgement, this one is really to deplore, I´d say...

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Postby Koskalherria » Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:35 pm

The Cosmic Mainframe wrote:
Nevertopia wrote:i just had a bidding war with the no.1 guy for card collections and holy moly, he used puppets to buy and sell cards he has for a higher price and baited me into overpaying what I presume to be a bot of his. 200iq plays.

That's a fairly old trick. It's best to only bid if you're willing to pay the full amount, for precisely that reason.
Pigeonstan wrote:i never thought to use puppets to drive up a price
and you can use it to transfer money to puppets and mains
ok this is awesome

It truly is, you should join the NS cards community ;)
Koskalherria wrote:The card market is a free for all, especially when it comes to bidding for epic and legendary cards. You'd think after a player had collected multiple copies of the same card that they'd be willing to leave some for the rest of us but the concept of sharing apparently doesn't occur to the player you're referring to.

Like in real-world capitalism, those who are generous with their cards are far less likely to reach #1 in the International Artwork leaderboard.

Ah, yes, capitalism: the practice, together with the help of SARS-COvid-2, that will complete the destruction of the middle class in the USoA.

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Postby Fauzjhia » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:55 pm

no one will move Koem kab from his evil overlord position

only by infllation, someone can catch, and then again. one must be rich to inflate
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Postby Koskalherria » Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:09 pm

Fauzjhia wrote:no one will move Koem kab from his evil overlord position

only by infllation, someone can catch, and then again. one must be rich to inflate
Thank you for being one of the generous ones. Your efforts to sell at reasonable prices is appreciated although I don't know if anyone ever tells you so.
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Postby Nevertopia » Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:12 pm

Fauzjhia wrote:no one will move Koem kab from his evil overlord position

only by infllation, someone can catch, and then again. one must be rich to inflate


or we can all decide not to buy his cards.
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Postby The Cosmic Mainframe » Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:23 pm

Nevertopia wrote:
Fauzjhia wrote:no one will move Koem kab from his evil overlord position

only by infllation, someone can catch, and then again. one must be rich to inflate


or we can all decide not to buy his cards.

That's easier said than done.
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Postby Nevertopia » Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:36 pm

The Cosmic Mainframe wrote:
Nevertopia wrote:
or we can all decide not to buy his cards.

That's easier said than done.


good point lets condemn him on the WA.
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Postby Free Las Pinas » Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:39 pm

Nevertopia wrote:
The Cosmic Mainframe wrote:That's easier said than done.


good point lets condemn him on the WA.

They already are condemned, and it’s really just a badge, I doubt they’re hurt by it.

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Postby Nevertopia » Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:23 pm

Free Las Pinas wrote:
Nevertopia wrote:
good point lets condemn him on the WA.

They already are condemned, and it’s really just a badge, I doubt they’re hurt by it.


You know at some point when someone has all the cards then theres no point playing and that person is holding to what is essentially worthless because it has lost its value in the public conscious. I wonder if we could introduce that to the cards somehow. Keep hording cards and they drop in value over time.
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Postby Fauzjhia » Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:48 pm

Nevertopia wrote:
Free Las Pinas wrote:They already are condemned, and it’s really just a badge, I doubt they’re hurt by it.


You know at some point when someone has all the cards then theres no point playing and that person is holding to what is essentially worthless because it has lost its value in the public conscious. I wonder if we could introduce that to the cards somehow. Keep hording cards and they drop in value over time.




We can simply remove the internation artwork badge, that would be the best solution.
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Postby Noahs Second Country » Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:11 am

Nevertopia wrote:
Fauzjhia wrote:no one will move Koem kab from his evil overlord position

only by infllation, someone can catch, and then again. one must be rich to inflate


or we can all decide not to buy his cards.

The whole point of Koem Kab's investments are that these are cards people want to buy, making them a safe way to convert bank to value.

Fauzjhia wrote:
Nevertopia wrote:
You know at some point when someone has all the cards then theres no point playing and that person is holding to what is essentially worthless because it has lost its value in the public conscious. I wonder if we could introduce that to the cards somehow. Keep hording cards and they drop in value over time.



We can simply remove the internation artwork badge, that would be the best solution.

That's a terrible idea, a lot of people (especially newer players) would lose interest and motivation in the card game. Besides, even without the stat there's still a leaderboard, players who currently play for DV will continue to do so.


Big farmers like Koem Kab drive market activity and work for the health of the game as a whole by recirculating their currency to smaller players who happen to pull legendary cards.
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Postby Coffin-Breathe » Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:13 am

Fauzjhia wrote:We can simply remove the internation artwork badge, that would be the best solution.

The whole system was heavily flawed from the beginning, when allowing to "overexpand" storing capacity and "card-farming"; but this would be at least one step in the right direction, as well as making "card-olymics", "pull events" and the like illegal.
But I guess, it´s already far to late now.

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Postby Nevertopia » Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:16 am

I feel like this is some kind of allegory for stock markets.
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Postby Coffin-Breathe » Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:29 am

Noahs Second Country wrote:We can simply remove the internation artwork badge, that would be the best solution.

That's a terrible idea, a lot of people (especially newer players) would lose interest and motivation in the card game. Besides, even without the stat there's still a leaderboard, players who currently play for DV will continue to do so.
Big farmers like Koem Kab drive market activity and work for the health of the game as a whole by recirculating their currency to smaller players who happen to pull legendary cards.[/quote]
"Newer players" are not interested in the "artwork badge", if they don´t farm big, because otherwise they never will get out of the "green range" usually; and you should state, that you (and your big bunch of farms) are also one of the "big farmers".
"Big farmers" don´t "recirculate" their wealth and "work for the health of the game", they already have ruined the game (for "small players") by abusing the system as well as almost exclusively trading between themselves (and their puppets).

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Postby Nevertopia » Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:34 am

Noahs Second Country wrote:
Nevertopia wrote:
or we can all decide not to buy his cards.

The whole point of Koem Kab's investments are that these are cards people want to buy, making them a safe way to convert bank to value.

Fauzjhia wrote:

We can simply remove the internation artwork badge, that would be the best solution.

That's a terrible idea, a lot of people (especially newer players) would lose interest and motivation in the card game. Besides, even without the stat there's still a leaderboard, players who currently play for DV will continue to do so.


Big farmers like Koem Kab drive market activity and work for the health of the game as a whole by recirculating their currency to smaller players who happen to pull legendary cards.




D:< stop sniping my trades!
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Postby Noahs Second Country » Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:36 am

Coffin-Breathe wrote:
Noahs Second Country wrote:We can simply remove the internation artwork badge, that would be the best solution.

Do you mind fixing your quote, I definitely did not say that^

I would actually argue that the primary motivating factor for new players is the artwork badge. It's a rank that you can enter the top 1% in easily, but the leaderboard is competitive and competition drives activity.

I am indeed a Big Farma member, but I was not always one. The reason I am in 2nd (and 6th) worldwide right now is because I put in the time and effort to work my way up the leaderboard, driven to become Second Best and live up to my nation name :)

Beyond this, smaller farms are not "crushed" by Big Farma. We actually fund them, recirculating money produced from our farms into the market. I actively try to encourage new farmers to work their way up the ladder, and many other top traders do too.
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Postby Coffin-Breathe » Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:37 am

Nevertopia wrote:I feel like this is some kind of allegory for stock markets.

No, it´s not - because at stock markets there is no unlimited supply of cards and bank without investment; and don´t go for "farminng is an investment of time and care", as it takes only a few seconds to maintain a farm usually.

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Postby Nevertopia » Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:42 am

Coffin-Breathe wrote:
Nevertopia wrote:I feel like this is some kind of allegory for stock markets.

No, it´s not - because at stock markets there is no unlimited supply of cards and bank without investment; and don´t go for "farminng is an investment of time and care", as it takes only a few seconds to maintain a farm usually.


i prefer my farms to have animals and crops but i digress. It seems like its best to play within your definition of what a respectable sized collection is in this game or else be trapped in an infinite loop of pulling trading cards. I think Ill call it quits after I peak at 100.00~ bank. Im already a one-percenter in my region anyways.
So the CCP won't let me be or let me be me so let me see, they tried to shut me down on CBC but it feels so empty without me.
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Postby Tarockanien » Sat Aug 22, 2020 2:10 am

Nevertopia wrote:i prefer my farms to have animals and crops but i digress. It seems like its best to play within your definition of what a respectable sized collection is in this game or else be trapped in an infinite loop of pulling trading cards. I think Ill call it quits after I peak at 100.00~ bank. Im already a one-percenter in my region anyways.

When looking at some players in here, I´d say, they could own a real farm in real life, if they would have invested their time and efforts in their real life (if even they do have one) instead of playing this stupid game... :p

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