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Tarockanien
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Collectiom ?

Postby Tarockanien » Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:04 am

When I look at all these 'collections' (which I tend to do from time to times), I can´t help but discover, that there are more and more of them, where mere quantity triumphs over quality and effort, it seems.
I suppose, that´s mainly a result of the 'run for owning the biggest collection of a certain theme (country, flag, whatever)', but what 'collection' is this ? It´s a simple amassing of two or three times (mostly) the same cards, that show no difference but being of another edition; often not even a variation in rarity, if nothing else.
A collection (worth of notice) should not only be 'the one which contains the most cards', but also be the one containing the most 'different cards' of it´s theme, so my opinion. And 'doublets/triplets' shouldn´t be counted, not for 'breaking the 1000-card-barrier, nor for 'owning the collection with the most cards of a said theme'.
A possible solution, imo, to this dilemma, would maybe a partition of the 'collections' in some, that are 'pure', and some, that hold 'non-different doublets/triplets'.
Any opinions about this, 'card community' ?

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Postby Panagouge » Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:30 pm

Not a bad idea.
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Postby Giovanniland » Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:09 pm

I don't think that would be a very good division. "Purity" is very subjective and any label like that would be subject of much controversy, nor do I believe there's a need for more categories as things stand.

Also one can't deny that some collections' impressiveness relies heavily on their size, for example the rarity collections, default flags, ex-nations and so on. I do have in mind that the volume collections' bar should be increased if there's a feeling that there are too many collections there so that it's not really special anymore, though.

I'll hopefully update the thread this week.
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Postby Fauzjhia » Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:16 pm

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Tarockanien
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Postby Tarockanien » Tue Apr 25, 2023 12:05 am

Giovanniland wrote:I don't think that would be a very good division. "Purity" is very subjective and any label like that would be subject of much controversy, nor do I believe there's a need for more categories as things stand.


So you think, a 'collection' that contains, let´s say, 600 cards, but in fact only 200 or maybe 300 'unique' copies, each card two or three times, but from different issues, is more 'impressive' or 'noticable' than a collection, that consists only of, let´s say, 500 cards, but each copy of a card is 'original', 'unique' , different and maybe collected with great invest of time (and maybe money) and effort over years ?
I would call this a 'cheap trick' to get 'massive (but simply uninteresting) collections', compared to 'pure' ones, which I still believe, should be 'classified' and handled different.

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Postby New Makasta » Tue Apr 25, 2023 7:36 am

Tarockanien wrote:
Giovanniland wrote:I don't think that would be a very good division. "Purity" is very subjective and any label like that would be subject of much controversy, nor do I believe there's a need for more categories as things stand.


So you think, a 'collection' that contains, let´s say, 600 cards, but in fact only 200 or maybe 300 'unique' copies, each card two or three times, but from different issues, is more 'impressive' or 'noticable' than a collection, that consists only of, let´s say, 500 cards, but each copy of a card is 'original', 'unique' , different and maybe collected with great invest of time (and maybe money) and effort over years ?
I would call this a 'cheap trick' to get 'massive (but simply uninteresting) collections', compared to 'pure' ones, which I still believe, should be 'classified' and handled different.

IMO, both are impressive collections. One requires work within multiple seasons/spending more bank for off season cards that many owners are unlikely to sell. Meanwhile the other is still impressive because 500 cards is a lot of cards. Both are neat and can reflect different styles of collecting neither is right or wrong. Both are cool
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Postby Vylixan » Tue Apr 25, 2023 7:49 am

Tarockanien wrote:
Giovanniland wrote:I don't think that would be a very good division. "Purity" is very subjective and any label like that would be subject of much controversy, nor do I believe there's a need for more categories as things stand.


So you think, a 'collection' that contains, let´s say, 600 cards, but in fact only 200 or maybe 300 'unique' copies, each card two or three times, but from different issues, is more 'impressive' or 'noticable' than a collection, that consists only of, let´s say, 500 cards, but each copy of a card is 'original', 'unique' , different and maybe collected with great invest of time (and maybe money) and effort over years ?
I would call this a 'cheap trick' to get 'massive (but simply uninteresting) collections', compared to 'pure' ones, which I still believe, should be 'classified' and handled different.


Don't confuse unique flag with unique card. Many cards with a very common flags are very very hard to get. But getting a lot of copies of the same card with a very unique flag can sometimes be very easy.
If you want to collect all cards with for example a Greek flag on it, there are going to be a few cards that are very hard to get. That's the whole point of some cards being rare, or of older seasons, CTE nations etc. If all cards where equally easy to get there would not be much fun in collecting them. Thus collections can both consist of a lot of cards that share a common theme but each having a unique flag, or a lot of unique cards that have the same flag. And there are variations on this possible. Both types of collections require considerable work in acquiring cards, both in time, energy and money. And thus deserve to be lauded by including them in this thread.

For example, I'm still missing one S2 card with the Greek flag on it for this collection, two of the owners are not going to sell it because it is part of their own collections, and the third hasn't responded yet to any communication attempts. When I finally get that card it will be a personal victory for me.

Also many people want to include all seasons of a card if it still fits the theme of the collection, at least that is what I think what you are trying to say with "issues". That's a very valid way of collecting cards imo.


Many people underestimate how much work some people put into acquiring some rare cards for their collections, they see a boring flag and think that's the end of the story.

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Postby The Grene Knyght » Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:34 am

Giovanniland wrote:I don't think that would be a very good division. "Purity" is very subjective and any label like that would be subject of much controversy, nor do I believe there's a need for more categories as things stand.

Also one can't deny that some collections' impressiveness relies heavily on their size, for example the rarity collections, default flags, ex-nations and so on. I do have in mind that the volume collections' bar should be increased if there's a feeling that there are too many collections there so that it's not really special anymore, though.

I'll hopefully update the thread this week.

Well before you go and raise the bar I would just like to note that my hammer and sickle collection is now over 1,100
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Postby Mushroom Gorge » Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:22 pm

Hi Gio! I'd like to submit my collection of S3 Legs: https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/collection=59817
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Postby Giovanniland » Fri Apr 28, 2023 12:56 am

Season 3, Update 6

Added:
Ioavollr's "Card Collectors of Past and Future" - a collection of players who were once in or nearly in the top 100
Osheiga's "SVGs: Seamlessly Vectored Guatemalas"
Palikit's "Gabon"
Apexiala's "Femme", "Politics", "Department of Defense" and "Cultural Heritage"
Socialist Platypus's "Platypus"

Edited:
Dr Hooves's uncommon collection now added seeing as it's the largest and nearly completed.
Ballotonia's multiple season specific collections for the same theme now simplified into one (thank you very much Ballo!)
Seanat's Anime and Pokémon collection has given the way to Apexiala's Anime & Arts collection with nine thousand cards (the largest I know, but there are so many anime collectors), whereas Seanat's Pokémon collection continues in this thread separately.
Austrian collection entry restored to display two collections due to popular demand.
Panagouge's Owl collection added, with a lot more cards than the previous collection, a similar case to Mike's S3 Music collection.
Several collections moved to the Boneyard, none have got out of there this update sadly.

Included mentions for the following rarity collectors:
  • New Kowloon Bay for Season 2 legendaries
  • Fauzjhia for Season 3 legendaries
  • Laudesia for Season 3 epics

Moved the following 1000+ cards collections to the Volume Category:
  • The Grene Knyght's "Hammers and Sickles"
  • Big Shot's "Saving frames" (all animated cards)
  • Vylixan's "The World of J.R.R. Tolkien - 'All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.'"
  • Apexiala's "LGBT"
  • Ballotonia's "Site Supporter+"
  • Dr Hooves's "Aquarium"

Rejected:
Mushroom Gorge's "S3 Legs", though it could be a funny joke with that title, it's far too small for inclusion here.
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Ferengi Alliance Union
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Postby Ferengi Alliance Union » Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:33 pm

I have expanded this two collections a bit.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/collection=63127 Pirates of The Carribean (34)
https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/collection=55160 Borderlands (25)
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Valoptia
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Postby Valoptia » Tue May 09, 2023 4:52 pm

I've completed these two rarity collections.
S2 Legendary Collection: https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/collection=52374
S3 Legendary Collection: https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/collection=55381

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Postby Giovanniland » Tue May 23, 2023 8:11 pm

Season 3, Update 7 (a small update)

Added:
Ferengi Alliance Union's "POTC 'A Pirate's Life For Me'" and "Borderlands"
New Sunville's "First Finders: Legendary"

Included mentions for the following rarity collectors:
  • Valoptia for Season 2 and 3 legendaries
  • Mediobogdum for Season 3 epics
Remember, anyone can let me know of any collections you think are worthy of being added to the thread by posting a reply here!
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The Colonial BuccaRuu
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Postby The Colonial BuccaRuu » Fri Jun 09, 2023 3:36 pm

As BuccaRuu cannot participate in the trades anymore, the Colony had to take over, All is Default - Extension

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A Failed President
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Postby A Failed President » Sun Jun 18, 2023 2:07 pm

My collection is now 299 cards and it's shaping up well. Heck I may be a failure but my collection is not. :D
A Failed President's Card Collection or Donald Trump: A Political Odyssey
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Postby Coffin-Breathe » Tue Jun 20, 2023 2:43 am

Sorry, but what´s the title or theme of this collection ? I´d say, 'my collection' is a little bit vague...

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A Failed President
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Postby A Failed President » Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:07 am

Coffin-Breathe wrote:Sorry, but what´s the title or theme of this collection ? I´d say, 'my collection' is a little bit vague...

A failed president's card collection is the overall name. However, this collection will eventually be broken into sub-categories with more conventional titles which you'll appreciate. But i get your drift. Now how does this sound - maybe a little Stanley Kubrick-esque?

A Failed President's Card Collection or The Donald Trump Years: A Political Odyssey

Various sub-categories now exist, so see the 24 categories below created for your enjoyment! ...STAY TUNED, more cards still to be added!

Trump inspired MAGA Brand Flash Cards®
Twice Impeached and Indicted Ex-POTUS running again while Lady Justice Looms
The January 6th Insurrection was in the Cards
Commander-in-Chief
I declassified Secret JFK Assassination File with my Mind!
Apocalypse Now and then a Quack found my phantom Bone Spurs
Many good Cheeseburgers on both sides
Trump's 2024 Campaign Ca$h on Hand
Believe me, these are our future US Presidents, this i can tell you!
Despots & Dictators or what i call Strong Leaders!
Made in Ghina virus caused American Carnage
They let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the p#ssy.
Visit these Casinos which aren't Bankrupt
Worst US Presidents ...EVER!
Arms to Ukraine for Dirt on Biden
My Jewish Son-in-Law's $2 Billion friendship with the Arab
Got Dirt on Hunter Biden
I will build a Great Wall on our Southern Border and have Mexico pay for it.
21st Century US Presidents who lost the popular vote but won the Electoral College
Donald Trump's childhood pet cat
Biden's Stamp Collection
My old pal Jeffy Eps
All US Presidents since June 14, 1946
US Presidents born in 1946
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Postby Panagouge » Mon Jun 26, 2023 4:32 pm

Might be a bit many categories.
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Postby Giovanniland » Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:21 am

Season 3, Update 8

Added:
  • Ioavollr's "S3 Legs"
  • Slaggstone Bruntt's "Gold Primitiveness Cards" and "Gold Agriculture Cards"
  • Deims Kir's "Netherlands Flags"
  • Waterfall State's "The Sovereign Military Order of Malta has given thee courtesy enough"
  • Apexiala's "Through the wacky selfie zoo, strike a pose, or two! Be weird. Be goofy. Be silly. Be you."
  • Mediobogdum's "A Chocolate Salute to Darkesia"
Edited:
  • Replaced the class collection by The Serendipitous with a much larger by TUMS and moved to Volume Collections.
  • Promoted "Polish Flags" by Pytong to Volume Collections!
  • Updated BuccaRuu's default collection to link both its parts (see above).
  • Removed my two collections themed on Brazil and Tibet/Bhutan, cards were moved to my main nation but the lack of card queries has made it difficult to organize them until I find a new way and reassemble them.
  • Pruned collections that were deleted and moved to and from the Boneyard in case of the owner ceasing to exist or reviving.
  • ...and other minor fixes!
Not added:
  • A Failed President's collection, because I don't think it's a wise idea to highlight a collection on a very controversial and politically contentious person.
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Postby Coffin-Breathe » Wed Jun 28, 2023 10:16 am

a failed president should have stayed with his/her collection of 'US-presidents, and it would, imo, have been added without any problems... ;)

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A Failed President
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Ex-Nation

Postby A Failed President » Sat Jul 01, 2023 5:14 am

Giovanniland wrote:Season 3, Update 8

Added:
*snip*
Not added:
  • A Failed President's collection, because I don't think it's a wise idea to highlight a collection on a very controversial and politically contentious person.


*chuckles*

C'est la vie!
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Postby A Failed President » Sat Jul 01, 2023 8:20 am

Coffin-Breathe wrote:a failed president should have stayed with his/her collection of 'US-presidents, and it would, imo, have been added without any problems... ;)


Nah.
No challenge there.

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Postby Panagouge » Thu Jul 13, 2023 7:25 pm

I am the fourth person to collect all animated cards in all seasons: https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/collection=65150
Many thanks to Kwaj for the last card.
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Postby Giovanniland » Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:20 pm

Panagouge wrote:I am the fourth person to collect all animated cards in all seasons: https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/collection=65150
Many thanks to Kwaj for the last card.

Congrats Rewan!

If you don't mind answering, what were the second and third people? I currently have the link to Big Shot, which was the first, but would like to add a mention just like it's done with rarity collections.
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Postby Panagouge » Sat Jul 15, 2023 11:39 pm

Giovanniland wrote:
Panagouge wrote:I am the fourth person to collect all animated cards in all seasons: https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/collection=65150
Many thanks to Kwaj for the last card.

Congrats Rewan!

If you don't mind answering, what were the second and third people? I currently have the link to Big Shot, which was the first, but would like to add a mention just like it's done with rarity collections.

I'm actually second, then.
From some reason I was thinking of Raghallaigh and Yodle at the time, but I skipped a step somewhere and thought they were done. But looking now, they are not.
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