Folk, please don't sell to Araneidae

[Celephas]

Oops, I apparently already have.

[Dwarfpolis]

If it becomes a permanent feature, then we'll need some top down intervention to limit this sort of behaviour.

It has been raised for discussion. You are by no means the only person that has gotten irritated with the spammy 0.01 offers.

Add a summary set of rules of the TCG that every player is informed of by a pop-up when they first click the "cards" section. Like an EULA, they ought to read it before proceeding and they consent to the rules after advancing. For players that participate before this hypothetical update, inform them the first time they click after the update.

Then make 0.01 spam an offense that is punishable by restriction of sales, banning from the TCG, or a DEAT. That way rule-abiding players do not suffer.

[Bombadil]

It has been raised for discussion. You are by no means the only person that has gotten irritated with the spammy 0.01 offers.

Add a summary set of rules of the TCG that every player is informed of by a pop-up when they first click the "cards" section. Like an EULA, they ought to read it before proceeding and they consent to the rules after advancing. For players that participate before this hypothetical update, inform them the first time they click after the update.

Then make 0.01 spam an offense that is punishable by restriction of sales, banning from the TCG, or a DEAT. That way rule-abiding players do not suffer.

People can sell for what they want, I don't see a reason to punish.. the issue with the game is the issue with all of NS, the ease of making puppets - there's no good answer to it so it is what it is.

It is a case for regulation in general, but it's not a case for such on NS, this card swap game just highlights the issue because to have puppets devalues any card.

Just don't sell for .01.

[Aweland]

You're all taking this too seriously. It's an April Fools joke.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

I thought I was the only one who found it annoying. Agree with the advice/sentiment.

What should happen for the remainder of this mini-game is that nations should be allowed to donate to other players, free of charge: that would maintain the compassion part. I would accept that in exchange for a ban on one-penny bids. However, I cannot speak of this mini-game lasting forever without significant re-tooling.

This, or having sell/buy offers time-limited. For instance, offers would only have a validity of 24/36 hours or they'll be removed.

Or even an hour. That could work too.

[Galiantus III]

I thought I was the only one who found it annoying. Agree with the advice/sentiment.


This, or having sell/buy offers time-limited. For instance, offers would only have a validity of 24/36 hours or they'll be removed.

Or even an hour. That could work too.

That seems a little short. The market is moving fast, but it isn't moving that fast. The goal is to prevent spammy offers, not inhibit trading.

[The first Galactic Republic]

You're all taking this too seriously. It's an April Fools joke.

Max Barry wanted to see if we could come up with financial regulations and or devolve into infighting over cards.

[Araneidae]

As the guy is a fellow Forest denizen (presumably because the place is the best place to maximise chances of a Legendary random) I've been arguing with him there too, and his primary argument in his defence is that he was highlighting flaws in the system by exploiting them.

Actually, I am one of the original Forest residents. Been there for years, long before you arrived, as you can see from my Residency stat.

The fact is those bids were made to demonstrate why tying the collection value to buy requests was a bad idea. And it worked: it got fixed quickly. I additionally reported the effect that 0.01 transfers have on the average card value, which has also already been fixed.

The bids were not random: they were (and are) mainly for the cards that my puppets are holding, cards that I've been meaning to transfer over. But thanks to the interface, that's been slow work. To complicate matters, I started getting donations from fellow Forest residents, after they noticed that I have a large collection. Trading those collections took a long time, which is why the original bids have sat for days.

The goal was to have one of the largest collections, so that Forest can rank highly in the stats (assuming that there'll be any). Meanwhile, you're turned that combined effort into baseless accusations and a public debacle without even asking me about it first. That kind of behavior is unacceptable, especially from an editor.

You even lied about me reselling the cards at profit. The only cards that I've sold are a few overpriced commons to my puppets, plus couple of requests from Forest residents, and a legendary that I sold at a fair price after getting a polite request for it from a collector.

[Mithea III]

For the best common card in the world, look here.

[Mithea III]

As the guy is a fellow Forest denizen (presumably because the place is the best place to maximise chances of a Legendary random) I've been arguing with him there too, and his primary argument in his defence is that he was highlighting flaws in the system by exploiting them.

Actually, I am one of the original Forest residents. Been there for years, long before you arrived, as you can see from my Residency stat.

The fact is those bids were made to demonstrate why tying the collection value to buy requests was a bad idea. And it worked: it got fixed quickly. I additionally reported the effect that 0.01 transfers have on the average card value, which has also already been fixed.

The bids were not random: they were (and are) mainly for the cards that my puppets are holding, ones that I've been meaning to transfer them over. But thanks to the interface, that's been slow work. To complicate matters, I started getting donations from fellow Forest residents, after they noticed that I have a large collection. Trading those collections took a long time, which is why the original bids have sat for days.

The goal was to have one of the largest collections, so that Forest can rank highly in the stats (assuming that there'll be any). Meanwhile, you're turned that combined effort into baseless accusations and a public debacle without even asking me about it first. That kind of behavior is unacceptable, especially from an editor.

I accidentally sold you a card once, so...

[Araneidae]

I accidentally sold you a card once, so...

Well, you should've contacted me about it. I've got exactly one telegram about accidentally sold card, which I sold back promptly.

[Www2]

I accidentally sold you a card once, so...

Well, you should've contacted me about it. I've got exactly one telegram about accidentally sold card, which I sold back promptly.

It was only uncommon, so I didn't care. However, I found a bug because of it. If you place a sell offer for 0.01 (for moving cards from puppet to main) and there already is a buy offer for that amount, every once in awhile it will just sell directly to the nation that offered. Happened to me twice before I realize what the problem was.

EDIT: This is one of my puppets.

[21st Century Rome]

I must have missed that discussion.

My broad thoughts here, which I'm sure have been suggested elsewhere:

1) Set minimum trade price equal to junk value.

or

2) Allow an account to have no more than 5 trades offered at any one time.

Both have got their downsides, but either would fix the problem.

I'd agree with 1, as it seems reasonable. However, some people such as myself have a legitimate interest in 2. I was trying to collect my whole region, so yesterday, I probably had like 50+ offers set up. However, I do have a legitimate interest in buying them all. Similarly, anyone else who is trying to collect a small-ish set like that would also have reason to put up a bunch of offers.

[Ille-et-Vilaine]

And this is why a time limit on bids is a nice thing to have: to keep bidders on their toes, by making them monitor the market; and for the sellers not too be too greedy in trying to wait for the bids to increase, because that highest bid might be gone eventually. It will also purge the inactive bids.

[Candlewhisper Archive]

Actually, I am one of the original Forest residents. Been there for years, long before you arrived, as you can see from my Residency stat.

I apologise for that assumption, and stand corrected.

The fact is those bids were made to demonstrate why tying the collection value to buy requests was a bad idea. And it worked: it got fixed quickly. I additionally reported the effect that 0.01 transfers have on the average card value, which has also already been fixed.

The bids were not random: they were (and are) mainly for the cards that my puppets are holding, ones that I've been meaning to transfer them over. But thanks to the interface, that's been slow work. To complicate matters, I started getting donations from fellow Forest residents, after they noticed that I have a large collection. Trading those collections took a long time, which is why the original bids have sat for days.

The goal was to have one of the largest collections, so that Forest can rank highly in the stats (assuming that there'll be any). Meanwhile, you're turned that combined effort into baseless accusations and a public debacle without even asking me about it first. That kind of behavior is unacceptable, especially from an editor.

You even lied about me reselling the cards at profit. The only cards that I've sold are a few overpriced commons to my puppets, plus couple of requests from Forest residents, and a legendary that I sold at a fair price after getting a polite request for it from a collector.

I think these are all fine words, but frankly I don't believe you, and from the Forest RMB, nor do others. I think your generous donors are your puppet accounts, and you left the trades half complete for as long as you could in order to get people to sell to you at below value.

It's only since I started this thread that you've been cleaning house, with trades purposefully left hanging for 3 days now being closed off with your puppet accounts in Bellinos, Naasseners, Conoistre and Special Circumstances (and maybe others) in order to respond to the pressure of myself and Forest to change your behaviour.

Actually, that's fine, as while it seems to me that you're trying to save face now, you're at least finally closing off all those 1 cent offers that have been popping up on everyone's screens for the past 3 days.

You now have a mere 854 1-cent buy offers up, which is far fewer than before.

Finish clearing those off please, whether you delete them or you "complete the process of receiving donations" and everyone will be happy. You can stick to your narrative, and I'll stick to mine, but we'll at least be in a position where we're not all wasting time clicking to see what buy offers are and seeing your name with 1 cent offer again, and again, and again, and again. Seriously, it's like at least once every 10 cards.

Whatever your reasons, just get rid of those 1 cent offers, okay?

[Dwarfpolis]

As the guy is a fellow Forest denizen (presumably because the place is the best place to maximise chances of a Legendary random) I've been arguing with him there too, and his primary argument in his defence is that he was highlighting flaws in the system by exploiting them.

Actually, I am one of the original Forest residents. Been there for years, long before you arrived, as you can see from my Residency stat.

The fact is those bids were made to demonstrate why tying the collection value to buy requests was a bad idea. And it worked: it got fixed quickly. I additionally reported the effect that 0.01 transfers have on the average card value, which has also already been fixed.

The bids were not random: they were (and are) mainly for the cards that my puppets are holding, cards that I've been meaning to transfer over. But thanks to the interface, that's been slow work. To complicate matters, I started getting donations from fellow Forest residents, after they noticed that I have a large collection. Trading those collections took a long time, which is why the original bids have sat for days.

The goal was to have one of the largest collections, so that Forest can rank highly in the stats (assuming that there'll be any). Meanwhile, you're turned that combined effort into baseless accusations and a public debacle without even asking me about it first. That kind of behavior is unacceptable, especially from an editor.

You even lied about me reselling the cards at profit. The only cards that I've sold are a few overpriced commons to my puppets, plus couple of requests from Forest residents, and a legendary that I sold at a fair price after getting a polite request for it from a collector.

Don't take my saying that people flooding with 0.01 offers should be banned that I wanted to call for your banning then. Apologies

[Naasseners]

I think these are all fine words, but frankly I don't believe you, and from the Forest RMB, nor do others.

Yes, I've noticed that the Forest is not the region that it used to be.

It's only since I started this thread that you've been cleaning house, with trades purposefully left hanging for 3 days now being closed off with your puppet accounts in Bellinos, Naasseners, Conoistre and Special Circumstances (and maybe others) in order to respond to the pressure of myself and Forest to change your behaviour.

False again. If you check Araneidae's trade log, you'll see that I've been slowly cleaning those for the past few days. I made the mistake of bidding on everything that the puppets were holding, and it's taking equally long time to undo. Thanks to the constant lack of funds, I hadn't been able to transfer those as quickly as I would've liked. Getting rid of the offers will still take a long while, probably won't get it finished today.

But you can keep on believing what you want to believe.

[Luna Amore]

You're all taking this too seriously. It's an April Fools joke.

Max Barry wanted to see if we could come up with financial regulations and or devolve into infighting over cards.

Curse you Barry! You know our weaknesses too well.

[USS Monitor]

As the guy is a fellow Forest denizen (presumably because the place is the best place to maximise chances of a Legendary random) I've been arguing with him there too, and his primary argument in his defence is that he was highlighting flaws in the system by exploiting them.

That's a load of shit. He's just trying to rationalize his behavior so he doesn't have to own up to his selfishness.

[USS Monitor]

As the guy is a fellow Forest denizen (presumably because the place is the best place to maximise chances of a Legendary random) I've been arguing with him there too, and his primary argument in his defence is that he was highlighting flaws in the system by exploiting them.

Actually, I am one of the original Forest residents. Been there for years, long before you arrived, as you can see from my Residency stat.

The fact is those bids were made to demonstrate why tying the collection value to buy requests was a bad idea. And it worked: it got fixed quickly. I additionally reported the effect that 0.01 transfers have on the average card value, which has also already been fixed.

The bids were not random: they were (and are) mainly for the cards that my puppets are holding, cards that I've been meaning to transfer over. But thanks to the interface, that's been slow work. To complicate matters, I started getting donations from fellow Forest residents, after they noticed that I have a large collection. Trading those collections took a long time, which is why the original bids have sat for days.

The goal was to have one of the largest collections, so that Forest can rank highly in the stats (assuming that there'll be any). Meanwhile, you're turned that combined effort into baseless accusations and a public debacle without even asking me about it first. That kind of behavior is unacceptable, especially from an editor.

You even lied about me reselling the cards at profit. The only cards that I've sold are a few overpriced commons to my puppets, plus couple of requests from Forest residents, and a legendary that I sold at a fair price after getting a polite request for it from a collector.

You are lucky that the mod team has treated this as a technical issue with the game and not warned you for your obvious spam. CWA is not the problem here.

Who has been in Forest longer or why you are there is beside the point.

[Wopruthien]

Actually, I am one of the original Forest residents. Been there for years, long before you arrived, as you can see from my Residency stat.

The fact is those bids were made to demonstrate why tying the collection value to buy requests was a bad idea. And it worked: it got fixed quickly. I additionally reported the effect that 0.01 transfers have on the average card value, which has also already been fixed.

The bids were not random: they were (and are) mainly for the cards that my puppets are holding, cards that I've been meaning to transfer over. But thanks to the interface, that's been slow work. To complicate matters, I started getting donations from fellow Forest residents, after they noticed that I have a large collection. Trading those collections took a long time, which is why the original bids have sat for days.

The goal was to have one of the largest collections, so that Forest can rank highly in the stats (assuming that there'll be any). Meanwhile, you're turned that combined effort into baseless accusations and a public debacle without even asking me about it first. That kind of behavior is unacceptable, especially from an editor.

You even lied about me reselling the cards at profit. The only cards that I've sold are a few overpriced commons to my puppets, plus couple of requests from Forest residents, and a legendary that I sold at a fair price after getting a polite request for it from a collector.

You are lucky that the mod team has treated this as a technical issue with the game and not warned you for your obvious spam. CWA is not the problem here.

Who has been in Forest longer or why you are there is beside the point.

Maybe another solution would be where the card says how many buyers there are (when you open it in the loot box) it actually shows what the highest buy offer is?

It doesn't help with the spamming of thousands of cards at 0.01 offer, but it stops people needlessly looking at the buy price and seeing it well below Junk/Market value.

The Deck value already has the price at minimum junk value so that isn't affected by the 0.01 offer anymore.

[Rezland]

As someone whose objective in this min-game is to sell as much as possible for good profits, I too find it annoying how nations put up 0.01 offers.
My suggestion is the creation of another setting within the nation's settings page where the game automatically hides any offers to buy below a certain bank value the player sets if they want to use the setting.

[The Confederate Territory]

I saw Araneidae have offers for 0.01 myself

I think it definitely is a flaw in the system. But I do support a give ability. My trades history shows a lot of 0.01 deals, simply because nations have no ability to directly give cards. I think that should be included for the sake of charity, compassion, and helping combat the 0.01 deals.

But 0.01 deals to/from puppets is justifiable. What Araneidae does is annoying and a clear abuse of the system.

[Ioavollr]

These cards are serious business, eh? It already drops the lowest bid to the bottom of the stack. It already tells users the average sale price and the junk price right there. It also doesn't matter. It's game cards worth nothing that do nothing but take up your time. You lose nothing if Araneidae gets a good deal. As with all things, my recommendation is to buy or sell for what you think something is worth. If that turns out to be a great deal for someone else who cares.

[USS Monitor]

These cards are serious business, eh? It already drops the lowest bid to the bottom of the stack. It already tells users the average sale price and the junk price right there. It also doesn't matter. It's game cards worth nothing that do nothing but take up your time. You lose nothing if Araneidae gets a good deal. As with all things, my recommendation is to buy or sell for what you think something is worth. If that turns out to be a great deal for someone else who cares.

The problem is not that he's getting a good deal. It's that he's wasting everyone else's time.