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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 1:38 am
by The Galactic Authority of Progress
Spyri wrote:
The Galactic Authority of Progress wrote:That's a lot of words...bold for you to assume most people here are interested in reading that much.

Idk man it's an interesting read. Id argue pulitzer prize material.

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Always good to remember debates aren't only to convince or win against the other party in them. They're also to persuade open-minded onlookers.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 4:08 am
by Interstellar Peoples Republics
The Korean Papal States wrote:
Interstellar Peoples Republics wrote:
The legacy of Fascism objectively was genocide and racism, and it's rightly become the object of vilification and ridicule as its final legacy. Nobody cares about whatever "world of fascist positions and systems" exist outside of this because, unless they actually manifest themselves in reality, it's just you playing with your imaginary Lego.


Only if you exclusively get your history from western liberal revisionists terrified at the prospect of another Franco, or worse for them a proper Falangist system along the lines of Jose Antonio himself taking root anywhere. Fascism came to be at a time of US/Soviet hegemony, as such only communism and liberalism were allowed to exist by threat of overwhelming military violence. Evil men and human suffering pose no threat to the status quo, so dictators of course were permitted to exist so long as they bent the knee one way or the other. But Spain walked the line and prospered spiritually and interpersonally as a fascist system under Franco in the shadow of the Spanish Civil War, the only reason the system collapsed into liberalism was because Franco never prepared a successor. Autocracies have historically been frequently the best systems for societies. The problem with liberal hegemony is that it disallows good men from being autocrats,and as such only evil men seize nations anymore. We need more good men willing to seize nations, we need to return to the time of reluctant kings. Fascism is simply the ancient (and most universally successful) way of human government adapted into a modern economic scheme.

Of course, there are always the republican apologists who say that era was terrible, but the Republicans were brutal savages who raped and murdered nuns and priests for sport. It was a brutal war on both ends, both sides could be exceedingly cruel where there was a battlefield, but only one of those sides had even a play at a moral compass.


I see a lot of dogmatic proselytising but where is the actual rebuttal to what I said?

PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 4:21 am
by Audioslavia
Interstellar Peoples Republics wrote:
I see a lot of dogmatic proselytising but where is the actual rebuttal to what I said?


The rebuttal could perhaps go in the General forum, and not in this N-Day thread. Cheers

PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 8:39 am
by The Machine Regime
Our entire faction got completely annihilated, but that just made it hilarious.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 10:34 am
by Knights of LUSITANIA
Interstellar Peoples Republics wrote:I see a lot of dogmatic proselytising but where is the actual rebuttal to what I said?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 10:38 am
by Attes in Majestia
The Korean Papal States wrote:
Interstellar Peoples Republics wrote:
The legacy of Fascism objectively was genocide and racism, and it's rightly become the object of vilification and ridicule as its final legacy. Nobody cares about whatever "world of fascist positions and systems" exist outside of this because, unless they actually manifest themselves in reality, it's just you playing with your imaginary Lego.


Only if you exclusively get your history from western liberal revisionists terrified at the prospect of another Franco, or worse for them a proper Falangist system along the lines of Jose Antonio himself taking root anywhere. Fascism came to be at a time of US/Soviet hegemony, as such only communism and liberalism were allowed to exist by threat of overwhelming military violence. Evil men and human suffering pose no threat to the status quo, so dictators of course were permitted to exist so long as they bent the knee one way or the other. But Spain walked the line and prospered spiritually and interpersonally as a fascist system under Franco in the shadow of the Spanish Civil War, the only reason the system collapsed into liberalism was because Franco never prepared a successor. Autocracies have historically been frequently the best systems for societies. The problem with liberal hegemony is that it disallows good men from being autocrats,and as such only evil men seize nations anymore. We need more good men willing to seize nations, we need to return to the time of reluctant kings. Fascism is simply the ancient (and most universally successful) way of human government adapted into a modern economic scheme.

Of course, there are always the republican apologists who say that era was terrible, but the Republicans were brutal savages who raped and murdered nuns and priests for sport. It was a brutal war on both ends, both sides could be exceedingly cruel where there was a battlefield, but only one of those sides had even a play at a moral compass.

Blah blah blah stop talking about this

PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 1:57 pm
by The Korean Papal States
Interstellar Peoples Republics wrote:I see a lot of dogmatic proselytising but where is the actual rebuttal to what I said?

The rebuttal is literally just what I said, Falangist Spain. Don't need to harp on it further, but that was only a partially Fascist system and it was extremely successful for as long as they could maintain their independence from the liberal order. Had it stayed true to it's principles and planned for succession, it would likely still be a strong state. Oman, being a true kingdom, is another analogous example of at least autocratic right wing rule working extremely well (for centuries at a time), though with different fiscal policy than traditional fascism, but I'm down to advocate for that kind of system too.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 5:19 pm
by Porotia
Knights of LUSITANIA wrote:
Interstellar Peoples Republics wrote:I see a lot of dogmatic proselytising but where is the actual rebuttal to what I said?


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