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Cristiano Imperio de la Raza
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Postby Cristiano Imperio de la Raza » Sun Sep 29, 2024 9:00 am

Limitata wrote:
Burgerslandia wrote:right wing as in the right way to think

Tell that to the millions killed in genocides and nationalistic wars.

You can’t just say right-wing politics have done this when we all know how many have died under communism, socialism, and anarchism. Priests are killed, landowners are killed, genocides happen, and tens of millions starve. These are just a few examples. Nationalism can be a left-wing or right-wing attribute. It’s just that the far-right tends to be imperialist/isolationist while the far-left tends to be more globalist.

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Postby The Korean Papal States » Sun Sep 29, 2024 1:59 pm

Cristiano Imperio de la Raza wrote:
Limitata wrote:How's the "total victory" going? More like a "total loss."

Fascism isn't even right wing. It's third way, proves you guys just are trying to be edgy and don't know a hint of this horrid political theory.

I agree with part of this. Not sure how many of them actually agree on true fascism. It is the third position because it consists of leftist economic and right-wing social policies (sometimes mixed though). And, it’s certainly not the center, so it is the third position. A mixed ideology. Not sure how it is actually horrid though. It’s definitely not the worst one at their but also not the best. I would take this over progressive socialism or communism in America any day.


Careful with those measured assessments of Fascism, you might get caught engaging in actual ideological discourse with real ideas. Everyone knows the only reason anyone would ever identify with fascism is because the only thing fascists believe in is genocide and racism. There is certainly not an entire world of fascist positions and systems specifically meant to address active problems with materialist culture and the spiritual malaise of materialist Western thought. That would be crazy.
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Postby Interstellar Peoples Republics » Sun Sep 29, 2024 2:05 pm

The Korean Papal States wrote:
Cristiano Imperio de la Raza wrote:I agree with part of this. Not sure how many of them actually agree on true fascism. It is the third position because it consists of leftist economic and right-wing social policies (sometimes mixed though). And, it’s certainly not the center, so it is the third position. A mixed ideology. Not sure how it is actually horrid though. It’s definitely not the worst one at their but also not the best. I would take this over progressive socialism or communism in America any day.


Careful with those measured assessments of Fascism, you might get caught engaging in actual ideological discourse with real ideas. Everyone knows the only reason anyone would ever identify with fascism is because the only thing fascists believe in is genocide and racism. There is certainly not an entire world of fascist positions and systems specifically meant to address active problems with materialist culture and the spiritual malaise of materialist Western thought. That would be crazy.


The legacy of Fascism objectively was genocide and racism, and it's rightly become the object of vilification and ridicule as its final legacy. Nobody cares about whatever "world of fascist positions and systems" exist outside of this because, unless they actually manifest themselves in reality, it's just you playing with your imaginary Lego.
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Postby Free Kart puppet » Sun Sep 29, 2024 2:37 pm

Cristiano Imperio de la Raza wrote:
Limitata wrote:Tell that to the millions killed in genocides and nationalistic wars.

You can’t just say right-wing politics have done this when we all know how many have died under communism, socialism, and anarchism. Priests are killed, landowners are killed, genocides happen, and tens of millions starve. These are just a few examples. Nationalism can be a left-wing or right-wing attribute. It’s just that the far-right tends to be imperialist/isolationist while the far-left tends to be more globalist.

Whataboutism

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Postby Kaldon » Sun Sep 29, 2024 2:41 pm

Cristiano Imperio de la Raza wrote:
Limitata wrote:Tell that to the millions killed in genocides and nationalistic wars.

You can’t just say right-wing politics have done this when we all know how many have died under communism, socialism, and anarchism. Priests are killed, landowners are killed, genocides happen, and tens of millions starve. These are just a few examples. Nationalism can be a left-wing or right-wing attribute. It’s just that the far-right tends to be imperialist/isolationist while the far-left tends to be more globalist.

Whataboutism, and the entirety of the right wing ideology has killed more than left wing ideology, unless absolute monarchism is a left wing ideology.

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Postby Limitata » Sun Sep 29, 2024 2:44 pm

Cristiano Imperio de la Raza wrote:
Limitata wrote:Tell that to the millions killed in genocides and nationalistic wars.

You can’t just say right-wing politics have done this when we all know how many have died under communism, socialism, and anarchism. Priests are killed, landowners are killed, genocides happen, and tens of millions starve. These are just a few examples. Nationalism can be a left-wing or right-wing attribute. It’s just that the far-right tends to be imperialist/isolationist while the far-left tends to be more globalist.

I’m literally a capitalist. I just hate fascism and it’s sisters.
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Postby Chr Carlavikay » Sun Sep 29, 2024 4:00 pm

Among all 149 nations that joined the Fascist Solidarity Accord for this round of nuclear chaos, all of them have been fully destroyed along with any form of structure for the the Fascist Alliance, bringing an end to the black stain.

Keep calm, Liberty Has Won.

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Until next round, the torch continues to shine bright.
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Postby Total Drama 2 » Sun Sep 29, 2024 4:04 pm

Chr Carlavikay wrote:Among all 149 nations that joined the Fascist Solidarity Accord for this round of nuclear chaos, all of them have been fully destroyed along with any form of structure for the the Fascist Alliance, bringing an end to the black stain.

Keep calm, Liberty Has Won.

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Until next round, the torch continues to shine bright.

Ahhhhh, the fascists didn't won. This upset Max Berry who punished them severely.

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Postby Knights of LUSITANIA » Sun Sep 29, 2024 5:32 pm

Interstellar Peoples Republics wrote:
The Korean Papal States wrote:
Careful with those measured assessments of Fascism, you might get caught engaging in actual ideological discourse with real ideas. Everyone knows the only reason anyone would ever identify with fascism is because the only thing fascists believe in is genocide and racism. There is certainly not an entire world of fascist positions and systems specifically meant to address active problems with materialist culture and the spiritual malaise of materialist Western thought. That would be crazy.


The legacy of Fascism objectively was genocide and racism, and it's rightly become the object of vilification and ridicule as its final legacy. Nobody cares about whatever "world of fascist positions and systems" exist outside of this because, unless they actually manifest themselves in reality, it's just you playing with your imaginary Lego.

I can put words in italics too whilst reminding you that you're objectively wrong on your assessment :clap:
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We'll probably actually win next N-Day so, enjoy the radioactive spoils while you can.

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Postby Enzonar » Sun Sep 29, 2024 5:34 pm

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Postby Spyri » Sun Sep 29, 2024 5:35 pm

Interstellar Peoples Republics wrote:
The Korean Papal States wrote:
Careful with those measured assessments of Fascism, you might get caught engaging in actual ideological discourse with real ideas. Everyone knows the only reason anyone would ever identify with fascism is because the only thing fascists believe in is genocide and racism. There is certainly not an entire world of fascist positions and systems specifically meant to address active problems with materialist culture and the spiritual malaise of materialist Western thought. That would be crazy.


The legacy of Fascism objectively was genocide and racism, and it's rightly become the object of vilification and ridicule as its final legacy. Nobody cares about whatever "world of fascist positions and systems" exist outside of this because, unless they actually manifest themselves in reality, it's just you playing with your imaginary Lego.

perhaps just like we hear about communism....it hasn't been applied properly yet in practice :rofl:
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moral of the day: ever just angry at the world? print out a picture of FSA's webpage or flag and burn it. or do whatever you want
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Postby Nerasian Empire » Sun Sep 29, 2024 5:53 pm

The facists faction ended up like an atomic shooting range, proud to have killed one of it's last members
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Postby Wheath » Sun Sep 29, 2024 5:56 pm

Crumpetopia wrote:Gentlemen, a toast! Our plan to blast off into space and CONQVER the stars for Fascism has succeeded! Even now, hundreds of nations are providing thousands of units of propellant for the grand launch.
And so, a toast! To those who nations who selflessly donated their bombs to our cause!

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Who's going to tell this guy Legend of the Galactic Heroes isn't an endorsement of totalitarianism? The relationship between self-proclaimed fascists and anime remains complex.
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Postby Total Drama 2 » Sun Sep 29, 2024 5:56 pm

Knights of LUSITANIA wrote:
Interstellar Peoples Republics wrote:
The legacy of Fascism objectively was genocide and racism, and it's rightly become the object of vilification and ridicule as its final legacy. Nobody cares about whatever "world of fascist positions and systems" exist outside of this because, unless they actually manifest themselves in reality, it's just you playing with your imaginary Lego.
We'll probably actually win next N-Day so, enjoy the radioactive spoils while you can.
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Postby 0cala » Sun Sep 29, 2024 6:29 pm

Your "faction" will continue to lose unless Trans Republic either doesn't play or I CTE.

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Postby Interstellar Peoples Republics » Sun Sep 29, 2024 6:46 pm

Spyri wrote:
Interstellar Peoples Republics wrote:
The legacy of Fascism objectively was genocide and racism, and it's rightly become the object of vilification and ridicule as its final legacy. Nobody cares about whatever "world of fascist positions and systems" exist outside of this because, unless they actually manifest themselves in reality, it's just you playing with your imaginary Lego.

perhaps just like we hear about communism....it hasn't been applied properly yet in practice :rofl:


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Postby The Korean Papal States » Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:23 am

Interstellar Peoples Republics wrote:
The Korean Papal States wrote:
Careful with those measured assessments of Fascism, you might get caught engaging in actual ideological discourse with real ideas. Everyone knows the only reason anyone would ever identify with fascism is because the only thing fascists believe in is genocide and racism. There is certainly not an entire world of fascist positions and systems specifically meant to address active problems with materialist culture and the spiritual malaise of materialist Western thought. That would be crazy.


The legacy of Fascism objectively was genocide and racism, and it's rightly become the object of vilification and ridicule as its final legacy. Nobody cares about whatever "world of fascist positions and systems" exist outside of this because, unless they actually manifest themselves in reality, it's just you playing with your imaginary Lego.


Only if you exclusively get your history from western liberal revisionists terrified at the prospect of another Franco, or worse for them a proper Falangist system along the lines of Jose Antonio himself taking root anywhere. Fascism came to be at a time of US/Soviet hegemony, as such only communism and liberalism were allowed to exist by threat of overwhelming military violence. Evil men and human suffering pose no threat to the status quo, so dictators of course were permitted to exist so long as they bent the knee one way or the other. But Spain walked the line and prospered spiritually and interpersonally as a fascist system under Franco in the shadow of the Spanish Civil War, the only reason the system collapsed into liberalism was because Franco never prepared a successor. Autocracies have historically been frequently the best systems for societies. The problem with liberal hegemony is that it disallows good men from being autocrats,and as such only evil men seize nations anymore. We need more good men willing to seize nations, we need to return to the time of reluctant kings. Fascism is simply the ancient (and most universally successful) way of human government adapted into a modern economic scheme.

Of course, there are always the republican apologists who say that era was terrible, but the Republicans were brutal savages who raped and murdered nuns and priests for sport. It was a brutal war on both ends, both sides could be exceedingly cruel where there was a battlefield, but only one of those sides had even a play at a moral compass.
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Postby The Korean Papal States » Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:48 am

Wheath wrote:
Crumpetopia wrote:Gentlemen, a toast! Our plan to blast off into space and CONQVER the stars for Fascism has succeeded! Even now, hundreds of nations are providing thousands of units of propellant for the grand launch.
And so, a toast! To those who nations who selflessly donated their bombs to our cause!

(Image)

Who's going to tell this guy Legend of the Galactic Heroes isn't an endorsement of totalitarianism? The relationship between self-proclaimed fascists and anime remains complex.


Image

Sure, the creator didn't believe the Galactic Empire was ultimately the best, but he also let the series speak for itself for viewers to draw their own conclusions. Yang Wenli represented the best that democracy had to offer -- to be the pawn of oligarchs and plutocrats who spend lives that are not their own for political clout among the wealthy and secure, doing his best to minimize the consequences of their actions not because of ambition or a desire for a military career, but because he genuinely cared for humanity and the lives he was responsible for, unlike the majority of those in command. The best democracy had to offer was a disengaged bottom rung commander with no ambition but to see peace and find comfort.

Reinhardt, on the other hand, showed the power that comes from active ambition, a good and noble man choosing to take the reigns and improve his entire society for the better. It's bloody, dangerous, and treacherous, but he brings the entire empire into a new era of prosperity and almost single-handedly guides his people into a golden era. There is no concern about popular politics any deeper than what will cause widespread revolt, and the people are left to their own devices without the burden of politics far beyond their station. Neither side has clean hands when a world gets between the two sides, that's a reality of war, but Reinhardt puts forth a compelling case for why an imperial system is so great a thing, and what reform can look like from that perspective. The great man theory of history is out of favor in modern discourse, but fundamentally it is true that at many points in history, it has come down to the orders of particular men with particular vision which have made or broken entire civilizations. To dismiss the perspective of Reinhardt as 'the bad guy' is to betray an extremely surface level engagement with the material, and with the broader currents of history.
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Postby The Galactic Authority of Progress » Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:55 am

The Korean Papal States wrote:
Wheath wrote:Who's going to tell this guy Legend of the Galactic Heroes isn't an endorsement of totalitarianism? The relationship between self-proclaimed fascists and anime remains complex.


Image

Sure, the creator didn't believe the Galactic Empire was ultimately the best, but he also let the series speak for itself for viewers to draw their own conclusions. Yang Wenli represented the best that democracy had to offer -- to be the pawn of oligarchs and plutocrats who spend lives that are not their own for political clout among the wealthy and secure, doing his best to minimize the consequences of their actions not because of ambition or a desire for a military career, but because he genuinely cared for humanity and the lives he was responsible for, unlike the majority of those in command. The best democracy had to offer was a disengaged bottom rung commander with no ambition but to see peace and find comfort.

Reinhardt, on the other hand, showed the power that comes from active ambition, a good and noble man choosing to take the reigns and improve his entire society for the better. It's bloody, dangerous, and treacherous, but he brings the entire empire into a new era of prosperity and almost single-handedly guides his people into a golden era. There is no concern about popular politics any deeper than what will cause widespread revolt, and the people are left to their own devices without the burden of politics far beyond their station. Neither side has clean hands when a world gets between the two sides, that's a reality of war, but Reinhardt puts forth a compelling case for why an imperial system is so great a thing, and what reform can look like from that perspective. The great man theory of history is out of favor in modern discourse, but fundamentally it is true that at many points in history, it has come down to the orders of particular men with particular vision which have made or broken entire civilizations. To dismiss the perspective of Reinhardt as 'the bad guy' is to betray an extremely surface level engagement with the material, and with the broader currents of history.

Why do you even bother
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The Korean Papal States
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby The Korean Papal States » Mon Sep 30, 2024 1:24 am

The Galactic Authority of Progress wrote:Why do you even bother


It is natural for the liberal to ask 'why bother?' when the prospect of a better world runs counter to popular consensus. They cannot conceive of an effort that deviates from popular morality. But the fascist thinker actually has personal agency to engage with the world apart from the conclusions of others. He also knows that popular consensus is changed by those with the agency to change it. I engage because my life is enriched by the crucible of lesser minds fleeing from engagement. I am empowered by the weakness of others causing them to revile that which threatens their comfort and vice.

Or maybe I'm just bored and find observing the soy-fulfillment of 'beating' the big mean fascists in the exact way and manner they intended you to while maximizing our reach and recruitment fascinating. The best part is, I can just say that openly and nobody is ever going to be sharp enough to catch it, and even if they could nobody is organized enough to do anything meaningful about it. We've never been interested in winning any of these popularity contest games, we have our own social community and better community-run events. We engage with them because the children on this site you mindlessly teach to never critically engage with anything literally cannot resist "beating" the boogeyman you have created in your heads, and it boosts our influence exponentially every year. And even if you catch on, there will be a fresh crop next year who won't. And so we'll keep poaching every conscious newcomer we can and continue to grow and have objectively the best social community on this website.

Good luck next year, I'm sure we'll win again. <3
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Paige
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Paige » Mon Sep 30, 2024 1:26 am

Total Right-Wing Annihilation! amirite? 8)

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The Galactic Authority of Progress
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby The Galactic Authority of Progress » Mon Sep 30, 2024 1:30 am

The Korean Papal States wrote:
The Galactic Authority of Progress wrote:Why do you even bother


It is natural for the liberal to ask 'why bother?' when the prospect of a better world runs counter to popular consensus. They cannot conceive of an effort that deviates from popular morality. But the fascist thinker actually has personal agency to engage with the world apart from the conclusions of others. He also knows that popular consensus is changed by those with the agency to change it. I engage because my life is enriched by the crucible of lesser minds fleeing from engagement. I am empowered by the weakness of others causing them to revile that which threatens their comfort and vice.

Or maybe I'm just bored and find observing the soy-fulfillment of 'beating' the big mean fascists in the exact way and manner they intended you to while maximizing our reach and recruitment fascinating. The best part is, I can just say that openly and nobody is ever going to be sharp enough to catch it, and even if they could nobody is organized enough to do anything meaningful about it. We've never been interested in winning any of these popularity contest games, we have our own social community and better community-run events. We engage with them because the children on this site you mindlessly teach to never critically engage with anything literally cannot resist "beating" the boogeyman you have created in your heads, and it boosts our influence exponentially every year. And even if you catch on, there will be a fresh crop next year who won't. And so we'll keep poaching every conscious newcomer we can and continue to grow and have objectively the best social community on this website.

Good luck next year, I'm sure we'll win again. <3

That's a lot of words...bold for you to assume most people here are interested in reading that much.
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Call me Lina. The G.A.P sounds too clunky :)
Exclusiveness is the backbone of everything good in the world.[/b]

Please call this nation IC Hyperione, a small, archipelagic planet home to the remnants of humanity still in existence by 40,000 AD. Very unrealistic but a pleasant fantasy.
N.S.A.P.N.C

You shouldn’t take everything I say seriously.

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Compulsory Consumerist State

Postby Spyri » Mon Sep 30, 2024 1:34 am

The Galactic Authority of Progress wrote:That's a lot of words...bold for you to assume most people here are interested in reading that much.

Idk man it's an interesting read. Id argue pulitzer prize material.
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"The foibles of politics and the march of time can turn friends into enemies
just as easily as the wind changes. Ridiculous, isn’t it? Yesterday’s ally becomes today’s opposition….
Enemies change along with the times, and the flow of the ages. So then what is an enemy?
Is there such thing as an absolute timeless enemy? There is no such thing and never has been.
And the reason is that our enemies are human beings like us.
They can only be our enemies in relative terms."




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