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Lets look at the facts: N-day 2021 was Horrible. HORRIBLE.

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Barlyy
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Postby Barlyy » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:48 am

Kors wrote:
Barlyy wrote:Let's say, hypothetically, there were bots involved (allegedly). Sure, let's say that the CRABs used them. That'd mean that those players violated the game's rules, correct? Therefore, these people would be banned, correct? But, as we can see, they are currently still completely fine, and therefore, they did not commit anything illegal. So, therefore, there were no bots involved.

According to the Nationstates API rules, there is a list of things that bots cannot do. Participating in N-day is not one of them.

Maybe you're correct. I think nuking, targeting, destroying incoming missiles etc. might also be considered stuff that "generates Happenings event line in a region".
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Postby Kors » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:48 am

Vikanias wrote:The thing to stop mass puppeting is for a nation to join a faction is to be in the WA for a week. Since you can’t have multiple nations in the WA this removes the puppets all together.

I'm permanently banned from the WA, so good luck with that.
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Kors wrote:According to the Nationstates API rules, there is a list of things that bots cannot do. Participating in N-day is not one of them.

Maybe you're correct. I think nuking, targeting, destroying incoming missiles etc. might also be considered stuff that "generates Happenings event line in a region".

There's no event lines though
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Postby Popolopis » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:49 am

WA-locking n day is a dumb idea

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Postby Brototh » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:50 am

Yeah, NDay '21 was bad. But hey, at least we got the highest non-CoTA Faction to be ANAL xD
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Postby Andronya » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:50 am

Yeah, I thought this N-day thing would be fun (I'm pretty new around here), but when people can go ahead and use bots and alts to create 10 extra factions quite literally overnight it's not fun at all, it ends up being a computation-power contest.
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Postby Barlyy » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:51 am

Kors wrote:
Barlyy wrote:Maybe you're correct. I think nuking, targeting, destroying incoming missiles etc. might also be considered stuff that "generates Happenings event line in a region".

There's no event lines though

There are event lines in the Factions tab, though.

Honestly, this is just a technical issue that needs to be addressed on a different thread.
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Postby Vikanias » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:53 am

Popolopis wrote:WA-locking n day is a dumb idea


But it’s really only solution that I have heard of that can stop the mass puppets
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Postby Christian Confederation » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:58 am

We could set the factions locked by governments type
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Postby Kors » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:59 am

Barlyy wrote:
Kors wrote:There's no event lines though

There are event lines in the Factions tab, though.

Honestly, this is just a technical issue that needs to be addressed on a different thread.
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Postby Kingdom of Circle of Magi » Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:00 am

I didn't even need to use all of my 400+ puppets before everyone crumbled. The lack of resistance was disappointing.
I personally advise you all to get good.
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Postby Santa Selena » Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:01 am

Christian Confederation wrote:We could set the factions locked by governments type

That would be VERY lopsided, the Innoffensive Centrist Democracy group would definitely win.
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Postby Kors » Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:02 am

Kingdom of Circle of Magi wrote:I didn't even need to use all of my 400+ puppets before everyone crumbled. The lack of resistance was disappointing.
I personally advise you all to get good.

I personally advise you to step in my shoes and look at the 3 alliances targeting you with over 150 nukes, with 300 targets simultaneously and several nukes coming at you in a single second.
I personally advise you to try to survive in that position and tell me how hard it was.
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Postby Sweeze » Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:05 am

Kors wrote:
Kingdom of Circle of Magi wrote:I didn't even need to use all of my 400+ puppets before everyone crumbled. The lack of resistance was disappointing.
I personally advise you all to get good.

I personally advise you to step in my shoes and look at the 3 alliances targeting you with over 150 nukes, with 300 targets simultaneously and several nukes coming at you in a single second.
I personally advise you to try to survive in that position and tell me how hard it was.

Literally the entire game targeted horsemen last year, I know exactly the feeling you have right now. We adapted to the metagame this time and this year have dominated, maybe you should do the same and adapt to the meta if you want to survive too.
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Postby Emodea » Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:05 am

Kors wrote:personally advise you to step in my shoes and look at the 3 alliances targeting you with over 150 nukes, with 300 targets simultaneously and several nukes coming at you in a single second.

Been there, got targeted with 700k nukes at once, with several thousands incoming.

Trust me, you didn't have as bad as you think you had.
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Postby Gonswanza » Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:06 am

Kors wrote:
North Cromch wrote:you do have z-day to look forward to and hope that it doesn't become a mess, though.

Z-day doesn't have factions though
And you can only attack others in your region.

XKI will become the main arena in having over 1k members.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:06 am

Sweeze wrote:
Kors wrote:I personally advise you to step in my shoes and look at the 3 alliances targeting you with over 150 nukes, with 300 targets simultaneously and several nukes coming at you in a single second.
I personally advise you to try to survive in that position and tell me how hard it was.

Literally the entire game targeted horsemen last year, I know exactly the feeling you have right now. We adapted to the metagame this time and this year have dominated, maybe you should do the same and adapt to the meta if you want to survive too.

Partly true, but some rule changes should still be made so you don't hold all top 10 spots for example.
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Postby Kingdom of Circle of Magi » Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:08 am

Kors wrote:
Kingdom of Circle of Magi wrote:I didn't even need to use all of my 400+ puppets before everyone crumbled. The lack of resistance was disappointing.
I personally advise you all to get good.

I personally advise you to step in my shoes and look at the 3 alliances targeting you with over 150 nukes, with 300 targets simultaneously and several nukes coming at you in a single second.
I personally advise you to try to survive in that position and tell me how hard it was.


I did that during N-day 2020, the fast killing of the PA got everyone to aim against us, the horsemen of the apocalypse. We lasted for a couple of hours before nukes broke the site and then us.
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Postby IWCA 028 » Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:08 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Sweeze wrote:Literally the entire game targeted horsemen last year, I know exactly the feeling you have right now. We adapted to the metagame this time and this year have dominated, maybe you should do the same and adapt to the meta if you want to survive too.

Partly true, but some rule changes should still be made so you don't hold all top 10 spots for example.


Why? Just use the game mechanics and knock us out?

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Postby Roavin » Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:20 am

Kors wrote:
Barlyy wrote:Let's say, hypothetically, there were bots involved (allegedly). Sure, let's say that the CRABs used them. That'd mean that those players violated the game's rules, correct? Therefore, these people would be banned, correct? But, as we can see, they are currently still completely fine, and therefore, they did not commit anything illegal. So, therefore, there were no bots involved.

According to the Nationstates API rules, there is a list of things that bots cannot do. Participating in N-day is not one of them.


What a bot cannot do is perform a so-called "restricted action" without explicit user input. Sending a nuke or shielding or any of those things is a restricted action. Ergo, bots can't play N-Day.
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Postby Kors » Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:29 am

Roavin wrote:
Kors wrote:According to the Nationstates API rules, there is a list of things that bots cannot do. Participating in N-day is not one of them.


What a bot cannot do is perform a so-called "restricted action" without explicit user input. Sending a nuke or shielding or any of those things is a restricted action. Ergo, bots can't play N-Day.

Well there were no bots used. I never said that bots were used.
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Postby Doge Land » Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:32 am

Vikanias wrote:The thing to stop mass puppeting is for a nation to join a faction is to be in the WA for a week. Since you can’t have multiple nations in the WA this removes the puppets all together. (I don’t know if this is possible though)


r/d

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I enjoyed this year's N-Day. I've enjoyed every N-Day. It was a thrill building up our nukes in Potato and nuking everyone! The best part was when we exchanged total nuclear war between us and CotA. Sure, maybe we didn't win, but that doesn't matter!

I can tell you're still annoyed that your faction got nuked into oblivion. Making a faction on (what appears to be) your first N-Day never turns out good. Join the faction that your main region is participating in, or follow your friends into a large alliance! N-Day is always better when you feel safe when you go to sleep.

Anyways I'm pretty sure we already nuked you into oblivion, so it's too late this year, so hopefully I see you in Potato (or whatever TSP's in) next year.
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Postby Perikuresu » Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:34 am

Welp, uhhh nice first N-Day for me? Wish I would've had a good N-Day
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Postby Anisop » Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:35 am

Maybe we need to cap the factions, and force factions to co-operate (that´s what discord is for)?

Just a suggestion...

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Postby IWCA 032 » Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:41 am

We did that in the first place, hence so many regions joining the same faction. Some of us have been prepping for weeks. You can't complain when that all comes to fruition.

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:56 am

IWCA 028 wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Partly true, but some rule changes should still be made so you don't hold all top 10 spots for example.


Why? Just use the game mechanics and knock us out?

I don't think that's currently possible. Plus, I don't recall this happening before where you block anyone else from getting recognition. I've seen factions dominate, but not like this.
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