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Lets look at the facts: N-day 2021 was Horrible. HORRIBLE.

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Lets look at the facts: N-day 2021 was Horrible. HORRIBLE.

Postby Kors » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:25 am

Hello, everybody of the Vault 41 forum and all people who participate in N-day.

I want to talk about this N-day in this forum post. Many things went wrong with this, and it is probably the worst N-day in Nationstates history. From puppetting (I know I was guilty) to big factions ruining everybody's fun, N-day is ruined.

First of all, I would like to talk about excessive puppetting, but I recognize that I was guilty of this too. I used 22 puppets to ramp up my production, and I managed to deflect off 50 nukes at a time. An alliance responsible for this was Oppressor MK2 griefers, who only targeted me and my puppets to bump their score up to the thousands. No one bothered to touch them until Crabs and Potato threw all their nukes at them when they gained third place by nuking my nations. All they had were thousands of puppets whom Wapistan used to mercilessly beat me up to the point where I just gave up. Even McNukalds, who mainly targeted me couldn't land a single hit on any of my nations, because the puppeteers of Crab, Potato, Wapistan and D.G.E.S took up the spot.. I've already said that I had puppets but I had a measly 22 compared to the nearly 150 nations targeting me. I'm human. I have all my 670 alternate accounts but without any way to control them. I tried my best, and many people were still complaining that I gained an unfair advantage. I don't think it should be outlawed, but I think a limit is required.

Secondly, I would like to talk about the alliances who pretty much targeted me for the entire game. I know this only applies to me, but it was such a big deal that nearly every faction tried to take me down. I made a pony-themed faction named Friendship that was mainly a pacifist alliance, but when I posted one single message on the "Who are you targeting for N-day" thread, I wrote McNukalds. I thought I would have had a good game with them until Wapistan and D.G.E.S (Who I said I would target as a joke) decided to wreak havoc on me with their puppets. I thought Wapistan would join McNukalds but instead owned thousands of puppets. I can't help but think that D.G.E.S and Wapistan were working together because I instantly saw around 100 nukes come to my puppets. McNukalds didn't even touch me at all since all the nukes and strikes came from them. The situation only applies to me as far as I know but is a good reason why N-day was horrible.

Thirdly, I found that there was no winner of this N-day. For nearly the entire N-day, there were only two factions that even survived, much less lived. Now there is the problem of lack of diversity. Usually, most big regions such as Feeder Pacifics, TRR, Laz, Os, Bal, Trr, XKI, Euro and others have their factions. This time, the more influential regions had more players than they had in previous years since they banded together. The Potato alliance, for instance, had nearly 6 regions take part in it, and the two largest factions that ever existed, Crab and HOTA merged to gain twice the players of the Potato alliance. Even large regions such as Lazarus and the South Pacific's factions were less than 1/10th of their power, and yet they had a mutual defence pact for a long time, crushing anybody who dares to even exist. It wasn't fun for the crushed factions, and it wasn't fun for the big factions who literally could sit back and watch their teammates defend them.

In summary, N-day was horrible. It was a stupid scheme led by the old big farts of the regional offices of Crab HOTA and Potato to lead regional pride and ruined the idea of even competing with them. N-day 2021 was my first, and Nationstates' worst. Everybody says "Welcome to N-day" but we could do a lot better than this. A LOT better than this.

-Kors.
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Postby Fauzjhia » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:30 am

only 1 faction survived, and they took the first 10 positions.
crabs.

The Potato alliance,, even if founded by 6 region, did not survive.
so big puppets win again
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Postby Crab King » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:31 am

well i had fun

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Postby Xmara » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:31 am

Agreed

I think bots were involved
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Postby Sincluda » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:32 am

Yup, big factions merged while another big one sat out. I had fun merely because this was my first N-Day and I got to click some new fancy buttons.

Also, for the last time, THERE ARE NO BOTS INVOLVED, that would be stupid.
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Postby Christian Confederation » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:32 am

So wait Crabs have achieved World Peace?
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Postby Kors » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:32 am

Xmara wrote:Agreed

I think bots were involved

It's like Augustin Alliance but way more
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Postby Barlyy » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:33 am

Yes, excessive puppeting is annoying if you're in a small faction (like me). How would you fix this problem, then? How would this "limit" work?

Your second point is filler to me. That's the point of N-Day: people team up, people nuke you. That's how this works.

And no, there definitely was a winner this N-Day. You can't possibly say that the Crabhorses "didn't win". They won it. Was it won "fair and square"? That's questionable. If you look at the current N-Day meta, it was totally fair. The correct question would be "is the current meta fair?" That's up for debate, but in my personal opinion, no. It certainly isn't.

And no, there were no bots. There were only *scripts*. Basically, you press a button on your keyboard and it performs a certain action (such as destroying incoming missiles). Are scripts stupidly annoying? Yes. Were there bots? I don't think so.

Edit: grammar.
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Postby Radicalania » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:34 am

Xmara wrote:Agreed

I think bots were involved


[Citation needed]

Look, we did the diplomatic work early on, and got in a bigger faction. We are all running puppets, some completely manually, some using scripts akin to the Card Farming ones. We were lucky there weren't as many big alliances this year, but ultimately getting salty about us almost perfecting NDay isn't helpful. Yall need to look at what we did right, what youdid wrong, and learn for next year.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:35 am

Potato had 28 recognized member regions, not 6

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Postby Rkr » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:35 am

Yeah I used to of my alts I didn’t even use my main account for this I was only alive for like 3 hours sine I started it like 2 hours after it started then I went to bed then I die

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Postby Imperial States of Duotona » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:35 am

I think my decision to not join a faction and not participate was a good one, things would've got very messy very quickly.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:38 am

Imperial States of Duotona wrote:I think my decision to not join a faction and not participate was a good one, things would've got very messy very quickly.

Normally I join N-day as soon as it starts. I haven't joined in yet and I probably won't.
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Postby Kors » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:38 am

Lord Dominator wrote:Potato had 28 recognized member regions, not 6

That's even more fucking scuffed
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Postby Christian Confederation » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:40 am

Sounds like I have made a good choice in faction
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Postby Barlyy » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:41 am

Let's say, hypothetically, there were bots involved (allegedly). Sure, let's say that the CRABs used them. That'd mean that those players violated the game's rules, correct? Therefore, these people would be banned, correct? But, as we can see, they are currently still completely fine, and therefore, they did not commit anything illegal. So, therefore, there were no bots involved.
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Postby Kors » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:42 am

Barlyy wrote:Let's say, hypothetically, there were bots involved (allegedly). Sure, let's say that the CRABs used them. That'd mean that those players violated the game's rules, correct? Therefore, these people would be banned, correct? But, as we can see, they are currently still completely fine, and therefore, they did not commit anything illegal. So, therefore, there were no bots involved.

According to the Nationstates API rules, there is a list of things that bots cannot do. Participating in N-day is not one of them.
Hello. I'm Kors. Welcome to my sig.It's a normal sig, a completely ordinary sig, an indifferent sig. You won't find anything different in this sig. MY LEADER AND MILITARY ARE IN MY OVERVIEW FACTBOOK!!!!!!!
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Planned obsolescence banned in Kors : Several unknown satellites crash land into highest mountain in Iceland : Korsian welfare programs cut spending by 50% : Terrorist attacks on the Korsian governmental building result in the enaction of the emergency measures act : Carbon monoxide threat in southern Kors due to wildfires : Giant potato rolls off and chases farmer off mountain into the city, crushing and mortally injuring 3

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Postby Vladilan » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:43 am

Barlyy wrote:Let's say, hypothetically, there were bots involved (allegedly). Sure, let's say that the CRABs used them. That'd mean that those players violated the game's rules, correct? Therefore, these people would be banned, correct? But, as we can see, they are currently still completely fine, and therefore, they did not commit anything illegal. So, therefore, there were no bots involved.


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Postby The Onox Legion » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:45 am

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this was done by hand.
You don't need bots for this.
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Postby Radicalania » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:45 am

Kors wrote:
Barlyy wrote:Let's say, hypothetically, there were bots involved (allegedly). Sure, let's say that the CRABs used them. That'd mean that those players violated the game's rules, correct? Therefore, these people would be banned, correct? But, as we can see, they are currently still completely fine, and therefore, they did not commit anything illegal. So, therefore, there were no bots involved.

According to the Nationstates API rules, there is a list of things that bots cannot do. Participating in N-day is not one of them.


Regardless, we didnt need bots to do the work for us.
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Postby Lirum-Arixo » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:46 am

The only fun part of N-day was waking up to see The Potatos completely obliterated. If none of them thought this would happen that would be be hilarious. Otherwise it was just lame all around. I was recently only reminded this site existed. Way back when I found it for the first time there were no fancy events, so I was looking forward to to seeing it.

What a let down.

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Postby Kors » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:46 am

The Onox Legion wrote:Yeah, I'm pretty sure this was done by hand.
You don't need bots for this.

*Hands*
Over 10000 of them.
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Planned obsolescence banned in Kors : Several unknown satellites crash land into highest mountain in Iceland : Korsian welfare programs cut spending by 50% : Terrorist attacks on the Korsian governmental building result in the enaction of the emergency measures act : Carbon monoxide threat in southern Kors due to wildfires : Giant potato rolls off and chases farmer off mountain into the city, crushing and mortally injuring 3

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Postby North Cromch » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:47 am

Lirum-Arixo wrote:The only fun part of N-day was waking up to see The Potatos completely obliterated. If none of them thought this would happen that would be be hilarious. Otherwise it was just lame all around. I was recently only reminded this site existed. Way back when I found it for the first time there were no fancy events, so I was looking forward to to seeing it.

What a let down.

you do have z-day to look forward to and hope that it doesn't become a mess, though.

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Postby Vikanias » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:47 am

The thing to stop mass puppeting is for a nation to join a faction is to be in the WA for a week. Since you can’t have multiple nations in the WA this removes the puppets all together. (I don’t know if this is possible though)
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Postby Kors » Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:48 am

North Cromch wrote:
Lirum-Arixo wrote:The only fun part of N-day was waking up to see The Potatos completely obliterated. If none of them thought this would happen that would be be hilarious. Otherwise it was just lame all around. I was recently only reminded this site existed. Way back when I found it for the first time there were no fancy events, so I was looking forward to to seeing it.

What a let down.

you do have z-day to look forward to and hope that it doesn't become a mess, though.

Z-day doesn't have factions though
And you can only attack others in your region.
Hello. I'm Kors. Welcome to my sig.It's a normal sig, a completely ordinary sig, an indifferent sig. You won't find anything different in this sig. MY LEADER AND MILITARY ARE IN MY OVERVIEW FACTBOOK!!!!!!!
If any post is written about you, unless it is not relating to you or of very low effort, you do NOT have the right to /stillme anybody. This is ridiculous.
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Planned obsolescence banned in Kors : Several unknown satellites crash land into highest mountain in Iceland : Korsian welfare programs cut spending by 50% : Terrorist attacks on the Korsian governmental building result in the enaction of the emergency measures act : Carbon monoxide threat in southern Kors due to wildfires : Giant potato rolls off and chases farmer off mountain into the city, crushing and mortally injuring 3

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