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Darlingtown
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Postby Darlingtown » Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:40 pm

Southeast Marajarbia wrote:"I wouldn’t immediately insult other nations and cause infighting here if I were you. While it's true that Marajarbia has less of a good image and yet remains a great power, the reason why I am sitting alongside you and the other representatives here is because Emperor Jackson wishes to see factions such as this one go strong, so that should there ever be a moment in which the GENA, IHC, or KTO collapse completely, an existing alliance is there to replace either. The only way to make that known is to intervene, or declare support for, a side in a big conflict, or handle several minor conflicts."

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"We appreciate Emperor Jackson's interest in the B-VP, but it was not built to be a backup plan for other factions. The Berlin-Vienna Pact is its own autonomous organization, not a surrogate body to be put into hypostasis for if and when GENA or some other faction collapses. To treat us as such is, quite frankly, an insult."

"Furthermore, this 'desire to strengthen the B-VP' does not override our autonomy. The Marajarbian Federation does not have the power or authority to make promises on the Pact's behalf, nor is this appreciated. It is an egregious overstep on Marajarbia's side. To demand cooperation while blatantly disregarding this faction's autonomy and flaunting one's own power is coercive and not the act of a friend or ally."

"And even as you accuse Darlingtown of starting infighting, we all know this is not true. The Marajarbian Federation holds an observer role here on this council and is not a peer to its members. Instead I have provided reasoning and argumentation as to why Marajarbia's 'suggestions' should not be taken, and last I have checked the definition of 'infighting' was not 'any who stand in the way of Marajarbia's plans'. Not all debate can be swept away with a single magic word, and our objections to Marajarbia's counsel will not be silenced as such."

"The things I have spoken are facts. If they offend the Marajarbian delegacy then perhaps Marajarbia should examine itself and its conduct. There is little more to say on this matter."

"Again, I cannot speak for all present when I say these things. We do urge the Marajarbian delegation to wait until others have spoken before making any sort of decision, as Darlingtown does not speak for the B-VP as a whole. But I would count myself surprised if any here were as welcoming of Marajarbian hegemony as you might like them to be. And if this is not Marajarbia's aim then it has certainly done a poor job at countering such sentiments, choosing machismo and vague threats in place of acknowledgement of its own wrong doings and an earnest desire for cooperation."
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Deutsch-Francia
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Postby Deutsch-Francia » Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:27 pm

"Indeed, the representative from Darlingtown is correct. This alliance is an independent faction and we in Deutsch-Francia refuse to see it devolve into a tool used by other factions to merely advance their own aims. We are willing to peacefully cooperate with other alliances such as GENA, the KTO, or the IHC, but we will not be taken advantage of." Von Ritterburg sternly states.
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Southeast Marajarbia
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Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:29 pm

Deutsch-Francia wrote:"Indeed, the representative from Darlingtown is correct. This alliance is an independent faction and we in Deutsch-Francia refuse to see it devolve into a tool used by other factions to merely advance their own aims. We are willing to peacefully cooperate with other alliances such as GENA, the KTO, or the IHC, but we will not be taken advantage of." Von Ritterburg sternly states.


"So, which side would the B-V Pact support in Acornesia?" Asked the Marajarbian Representative, ignoring the representative from Darlingtown.
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Deutsch-Francia
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Postby Deutsch-Francia » Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:55 pm

"As it stands currently, this alliance as a whole is officially neutral unless its member states agree on collective intervention." Von Ritterburg states.
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Southeast Marajarbia
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Postby Southeast Marajarbia » Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:11 pm

Deutsch-Francia wrote:"As it stands currently, this alliance as a whole is officially neutral unless its member states agree on collective intervention." Von Ritterburg states.


"Which side does Berlin support?"
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Postby Deutsch-Francia » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:44 pm

"The government may be more sympathetic to West Acornesia, but it's currently unwilling to directly intervene at this time." Von Ritterburg responds.

After responding, a minor official from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs enters the room. He walks to Von Ritterburg, hands him a piece of paper, and the two men whisper to each other. The minor official then leaves the room.

"It seems our government has just received a report stating that the Galapagos has declared war on Aursi. Given that the latter is a member state of this alliance, it is our duty to invoke article 1 of the treaty and come to the defense of Aursi." Von Ritterburg firmly announces.
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Grande Germania
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Postby Grande Germania » Thu Jul 14, 2022 12:36 am

Deutsch-Francia wrote:"The government may be more sympathetic to West Acornesia, but it's currently unwilling to directly intervene at this time." Von Ritterburg responds.

After responding, a minor official from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs enters the room. He walks to Von Ritterburg, hands him a piece of paper, and the two men whisper to each other. The minor official then leaves the room.

"It seems our government has just received a report stating that the Galapagos has declared war on Aursi. Given that the latter is a member state of this alliance, it is our duty to invoke article 1 of the treaty and come to the defense of Aursi." Von Ritterburg firmly announces.

"I would say that we have to do something, and in this case it will be war, I'm going to contact my superiors, the Visegradian army will be mobilized to defend Aursi"
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GreatOceania
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Postby GreatOceania » Thu Jul 14, 2022 1:49 pm

Walking through the doors of the conference room was the Oceanian representative Steve however instead of a human being instead was a PT-726 model robot that was named Steve and had its alloy plates painted to resemble a suit and tie it waddled over to its spot.

"Hello my name is Steve I am a human representative from Oceania it is an honor being here and meeting some of you people even though some people might have shaky relations between my nation and the alliance we are part of and so we hope that we can amend stronger ties with everyone here"

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Charoskania
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Postby Charoskania » Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:50 am

GreatOceania wrote:Walking through the doors of the conference room was the Oceanian representative Steve however instead of a human being instead was a PT-726 model robot that was named Steve and had its alloy plates painted to resemble a suit and tie it waddled over to its spot.

"Hello my name is Steve I am a human representative from Oceania it is an honor being here and meeting some of you people even though some people might have shaky relations between my nation and the alliance we are part of and so we hope that we can amend stronger ties with everyone here"


"Hello sir Steve, you are most definitely one of the finest specimens of Homo Sapiens I have ever seen! What kind of genetics have your family bred?" Amusedly said Johannes looking up and down at the robot.
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Postby GreatOceania » Fri Jul 15, 2022 9:22 am

Charoskania wrote:
"Hello sir Steve, you are most definitely one of the finest specimens of Homo Sapiens I have ever seen! What kind of genetics have your family bred?" Amusedly said Johannes looking up and down at the robot.


"I am one of the finest examples of a Homo Sapien which I totally am one if I recall my family has roots in Britain with some coming from Scotland and Ireland so there is some European blood in me although can't say the same for my cousins with some being either the KX-enforcer droid, the TT-Loader droid, or the good ole and obviously superior then the other two mention robots the PT-726 model robot"

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Grande Germania
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Postby Grande Germania » Sat Jul 16, 2022 4:38 pm

"Hello gentlemen, I would like to bring to your attention the fact that GENA, through a declaration of the head of state of one of their founding states and effective leader of the Alliance, namely the Marajarbian Federation, attacked us and declared the beginning of a new cold war against us, what do we do to respond to such events? "
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Awesome Imperium
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Postby Awesome Imperium » Sat Jul 16, 2022 4:42 pm

Grande Germania wrote:"Hello gentlemen, I would like to bring to your attention the fact that GENA, through a declaration of the head of state of one of their founding states and effective leader of the Alliance, namely the Marajarbian Federation, attacked us and declared the beginning of a new cold war against us, what do we do to respond to such events? "

(OOC: look on the OOC thread we already have a response and plan ready there.)

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Grande Germania
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Postby Grande Germania » Sat Jul 16, 2022 4:58 pm

Awesome Imperium wrote:
Grande Germania wrote:"Hello gentlemen, I would like to bring to your attention the fact that GENA, through a declaration of the head of state of one of their founding states and effective leader of the Alliance, namely the Marajarbian Federation, attacked us and declared the beginning of a new cold war against us, what do we do to respond to such events? "

(OOC: look on the OOC thread we already have a response and plan ready there.)

OOC: I've seen the draft now, it looks good
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Darlingtown
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Postby Darlingtown » Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:55 pm

To say Marajarbia's departure from the Berlin-Vienna Pact was problematic would have been an understatement. Unable to see eye-to-eye with the members of the Pact, their departure was followed by an immediate smear campaign of the BV-P and a call-to-arms to "contain" the alliance and purge it of "troublesome member states". In its own statement, the Marajarbian Federation openly anticipated a cold war on a scale greater than those of the past.

The Pact, not wanting Marajarbia's word to be the only one out there and seeking to refute some of the more slanderous allegations, drafted and published their own response to the issue at hand:

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Official Statement on Marajarbian Relations and Conduct



In response to a statement made by the government of the Marajarbian Federation earlier today, the Berlin-Vienna Pact would like to clarify the events that have led up to this statement and refute the slanderous claims the Marajarbian government has made at the Berlin-Vienna Pact's expense.

The breakdown of friendly diplomacy between the Pact and the Marajarbian Federation is a direct result of Marajarbia's disrespectful and domineering actions. Marajarbia has, in acting as a spokesperson for the Global Entente of Nations & Alliances (GENA), declared that the Pact would be stepping in to replace GENA in the Acornesian conflict. However, it did so knowing well in advanced that no such guarantee had been made, formally or informally. When this was brought up while discussing potential B-VP involvement in Acornesia, as well as other concerns with becoming involved in said conflict, the Marajarbian delegation refused to acknowledge any wrongdoings and instead insisted on B-VP involvement without addressing any of the concerns given.

When worries of GENA or Marajarbian dominance over the Pact were brought up, with fears of losing autonomy being among chief concerns, the Marajarbian delegation became belligerent and insisted that sacrificing the Pact's autonomy to GENA would be in its best interest. With GENA leadership's history of erasing or otherwise overriding the autonomy of member alliances and nations, Marajarbia's recent disrespectful and authoritative acts directed at the Pact, and no points of concern ever addressed a question was raised to the Marajarbian delegation: "Why should we trust you?"

The Marajarbian response was to cut ties with the Berlin-Vienna Pact and slander its conduct and credibility on international channels. Marajarbia has unilaterally called upon GENA and its allies to prepare for a cold war aimed at rivalling other such conflicts in the past and has done so out of its own pettiness. If the Marajarbian government had clarified any one of the numerous concerns that had been raised, allowed itself to coexist with an alliance that disagreed with it on one single issue, did not blatantly disregard the Pact's autonomy by making promises on its behalf, or left amicably it would be possible to give the Marajarbian government the benefit of doubt and assume no ill will in its intentions. But with all facts laid out it is impossible not to see Marajarbia thirst for power driving this call-to-arms.

The Berlin-Vienna Pact is not a corrupt organization and its member nations are not "problematic" as Marajarbia has claimed, unless one considers "not recognizing Marajarbian hegemony over the Pact" problematic. These are the words of a nation who, having trounced its former adversary, seeks a new one to maintain its powerbase as others have done throughout all of human history. But this "new threat" cannot exist without the Marajarbian Federation first being the aggressor, and there can be no war without Marajarbia being the one to seek it out.

We urge any who maintain good relations with GENA or Marajarbia to reconsider their diplomacy between themselves and these two entities. We urge GENA members to reconsider their membership to an alliance who is unilaterally governed by a nation who resorts to underhanded tactics and threats of violence when they do not get their way. Above all, we wish to convey to all regardless of affiliation that the Berlin-Vienna Pact does not intend to war with anyone. We shall defend ourselves, should Marajarbia lead soldier onto our shores or seek to dismantle our autonomy, but we shall never be the aggressor in such a conflict.



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Deutsch-Francia
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Postby Deutsch-Francia » Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:52 pm

"I believe that this statement is perhaps the best response we can give, and my country will fully support using it as our alliance's official response to the aggression shown by Marajarbia and GENA." Von Ritterburg says.
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Charoskania
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Postby Charoskania » Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:22 am

OOC: I feel like we should skip a week later in IC due to the Cold War happening in a blink of an eye.
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Postby Deutsch-Francia » Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:51 am

OOC: Agreed.
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Postby Deutsch-Francia » Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:53 pm

"It seems Berlin has received reports indicating that members of GENA will be voting on a resolution to dissolve itself. Thoughts on this matter?" Von Ritterburg asks.
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Charoskania
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Postby Charoskania » Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:18 am

Deutsch-Francia wrote:"It seems Berlin has received reports indicating that members of GENA will be voting on a resolution to dissolve itself. Thoughts on this matter?" Von Ritterburg asks.

"All I can say is, why? Disgrace?"
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Grande Germania
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Postby Grande Germania » Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:26 am

Deutsch-Francia wrote:"It seems Berlin has received reports indicating that members of GENA will be voting on a resolution to dissolve itself. Thoughts on this matter?" Von Ritterburg asks.

"This is a great victory for the Berlin-Vienna Pact, in the end GENA's ambition to be bigger and bigger was its undoing."
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Charoskania
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Postby Charoskania » Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:29 am

Grande Germania wrote:
Deutsch-Francia wrote:"It seems Berlin has received reports indicating that members of GENA will be voting on a resolution to dissolve itself. Thoughts on this matter?" Von Ritterburg asks.

"This is a great victory for the Berlin-Vienna Pact, in the end GENA's ambition to be bigger and bigger was its undoing."


"Mmm. This will be a large undoing of GENA, but this will open space for the KTO and IHC."
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Awesome Imperium
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Postby Awesome Imperium » Tue Jul 19, 2022 8:35 am

"The B-V Pact is strong enough to take on the other alliances, I suggest we act quickly to ensure our position at the top alliance."

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Postby Deutsch-Francia » Tue Jul 19, 2022 8:54 am

"I certainly agree that it is better to secure our position sooner than later, but I would suggest doing so in a way that is less likely to turn everyone against us."
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Biladu Al Rafidayn
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Postby Biladu Al Rafidayn » Tue Jul 19, 2022 8:56 am

Awesome Imperium wrote:"The B-V Pact is strong enough to take on the other alliances, I suggest we act quickly to ensure our position at the top alliance."

“Typical. Yet another alliance proposing conflict to seize power.”
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Awesome Imperium
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Postby Awesome Imperium » Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:02 am

Biladu Al Rafidayn wrote:
Awesome Imperium wrote:"The B-V Pact is strong enough to take on the other alliances, I suggest we act quickly to ensure our position at the top alliance."

“Typical. Yet another alliance proposing conflict to seize power.”


(OOC: Are you a member? And last I checked you are part of some laziness that does the exact same thing.)

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