Council of Nations [IC, Council Members Only]

[South Olpen]

Thies Op Het Mensink arrives at the meeting room

Thies Op Het Mensink: “Apologies for the delay, but I was busy drafting a timely proposal. A concord of Mutual Defense, if you will. I call it common courtesy, but mankind doesn’t always act on altruistic instincts.”

He promptly places down a sheet onto the deliberation table.

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COUNCIL OF NATIONS
Mutual Defense Doctrine
To require all member nations to mutually aid in the defense of another nation

SECTION 1: SHORT NAME
The Mutual Defense Doctrine shall be put as “MDD”

SECTION 2: Brief Summary

I) All nations within the CN shall provide for the mutual defense of their fellow member states.

II) Stipulating that it must be a defensive action and not an offensive one.

III) The state in defense must not aggravate another state through economic or political means, otherwise no members will be required to partake in it’s defense.

IV) The proposal shall create a Tribunal of Justice to decide on whether the the state in defense aggravated the opposing state.

V) Defines aggravation as “a forceful spark of tensions between two party for political or economic reasoning. Predominately with a single party being aggressive to another.”

VI) In political conflict where both sides perpetually aggravate one another, the CN shall take the side of the member state.


SECTION 3: Tribunal of Justice
The Tribunal of Justice shall have one, professionally qualified magistrate from each member state. Defining “Professionally qualified”, as being licensed in their nation of origin, and vetted by the CN representative from each member state. As of the current date, it shall only provide in its sole purpose of the MDD, however if need be, its judiciary power can be extended through democratic means. X Justice shall have no political party, and/or playing to no political part whatsoever within the boundaries of their home nation.

3-2: Eviction/Plausible Punishment
If a member nation has been shown to not aid the nation in defense, they shall be punished accordingly. That being, up to the discretion of the proposed council. Punishments can range from direct eviction to a temporary ban on activity within the CN. The appointed justice from the member nation in question cannot vote on the final decision, considering the fact that it would fall under a Conflict-Of-Interest. If a nation is temporarily banned from activity, their appointed justice will still serve on the council, unless they are further found to be exiled.

“I would like to vote AYE for this proposal, but I would like to know the policy on inner CN war. Not that we plan anything, but it is bound to happen eventually.”

[Nederlandsekolonie]

Thies Op Het Mensink arrives at the meeting room

Thies Op Het Mensink: “Apologies for the delay, but I was busy drafting a timely proposal. A concord of Mutual Defense, if you will. I call it common courtesy, but mankind doesn’t always act on altruistic instincts.”

He promptly places down a sheet onto the deliberation table.

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COUNCIL OF NATIONS
Mutual Defense Doctrine
To require all member nations to mutually aid in the defense of another nation

SECTION 1: SHORT NAME
The Mutual Defense Doctrine shall be put as “MDD”

SECTION 2: Brief Summary

I) All nations within the CN shall provide for the mutual defense of their fellow member states.

II) Stipulating that it must be a defensive action and not an offensive one.

III) The state in defense must not aggravate another state through economic or political means, otherwise no members will be required to partake in it’s defense.

IV) The proposal shall create a Tribunal of Justice to decide on whether the the state in defense aggravated the opposing state.

V) Defines aggravation as “a forceful spark of tensions between two party for political or economic reasoning. Predominately with a single party being aggressive to another.”

VI) In political conflict where both sides perpetually aggravate one another, the CN shall take the side of the member state.


SECTION 3: Tribunal of Justice
The Tribunal of Justice shall have one, professionally qualified magistrate from each member state. Defining “Professionally qualified”, as being licensed in their nation of origin, and vetted by the CN representative from each member state. As of the current date, it shall only provide in its sole purpose of the MDD, however if need be, its judiciary power can be extended through democratic means. X Justice shall have no political party, and/or playing to no political part whatsoever within the boundaries of their home nation.

3-2: Eviction/Plausible Punishment
If a member nation has been shown to not aid the nation in defense, they shall be punished accordingly. That being, up to the discretion of the proposed council. Punishments can range from direct eviction to a temporary ban on activity within the CN. The appointed justice from the member nation in question cannot vote on the final decision, considering the fact that it would fall under a Conflict-Of-Interest. If a nation is temporarily banned from activity, their appointed justice will still serve on the council, unless they are further found to be exiled.

“I would like to vote AYE for this proposal, but I would like to know the policy on inner CN war. Not that we plan anything, but it is bound to happen eventually.”

Thies Op Het Mensink: “That’s a very good and strenuous question.

In my opinion:

If member states are 100% free to decide where they place their support, that would undoubtedly cause a massive schism that none of us want to deal with. If the tribunal decides, that also creates a schism, unless every state is unilateral in the final verdict. In my opinion, it would be best to maintain a non-interference policy, it’s a hard call, but it’s the best outcome for all involved parties. If any of my colleagues have a better solution, I would be glad to hear them out, and change sides if need be.”

[New Provenance]

“I would like to vote AYE for this proposal, but I would like to know the policy on inner CN war. Not that we plan anything, but it is bound to happen eventually.”

Thies Op Het Mensink: “That’s a very good and strenuous question.

In my opinion:

If member states are 100% free to decide where they place there support, that would undoubtedly cause a massive schism that none of us want to deal with. If the tribunal decides, that also creates a schism, unless every state is unilateral in the final verdict. In my opinion, it would be best to maintain a non-interference policy, it’s a hard call, but it’s the best outcome for all involved parties. If any of my colleagues have a better solution, I would be glad to hear them out, and change sides if need be.”

Ambassador Sylvia Holmes: "I agree, But wouldn't a non-interference policy just completely nullify this proposal?"

[Nederlandsekolonie]

Thies Op Het Mensink: “That’s a very good and strenuous question.

In my opinion:

If member states are 100% free to decide where they place there support, that would undoubtedly cause a massive schism that none of us want to deal with. If the tribunal decides, that also creates a schism, unless every state is unilateral in the final verdict. In my opinion, it would be best to maintain a non-interference policy, it’s a hard call, but it’s the best outcome for all involved parties. If any of my colleagues have a better solution, I would be glad to hear them out, and change sides if need be.”

Ambassador Sylvia Holmes: "I agree, But wouldn't a non-interference policy just completely nullify this proposal?"

Thies Op Het Mensink: “The main goal of the proposal is that it’s a non-interference policy for a non-member state attacking a member state, not for a member state enveloping another. I don’t believe that nullifies it.”

[Zarnicovia nova]

"Our government is only days from falling. We request aid to prevent a church or army takeover."

[Southeast Marajarbia]

"Our government is only days from falling. We request aid to prevent a church or army takeover."

Ryan Williams:" While my nation's government does not approve of Zarnicovia nova's government over a plethora of issues (including, but not limited to, attempted colonization of Tzatzikistan and threats of nuclear war whilst being a pro-warmongering government with ties to peaceful, democratic alliances, as well as a fascist regime that was the predecessor to the current Jones Admin.) , the CN must not allow for fascist dictatorships and religious cults to rise in political power when a rightfully democratic government is already in place. So, how much aid does Zarnicovia nova require?"

[Zarnicovia nova]

"Our government is only days from falling. We request aid to prevent a church or army takeover."

Ryan Williams:" While my nation's government does not approve of Zarnicovia nova's government over a plethora of issues (including, but not limited to, attempted colonization of Tzatzikistan and threats of nuclear war whilst being a pro-warmongering government with ties to peaceful, democratic alliances, as well as a fascist regime that was the predecessor to the current Jones Admin.) , the CN must not allow for fascist dictatorships and religious cults to rise in political power when a rightfully democratic government is already in place. So, how much aid does Zarnicovia nova require?"

OOC: Holy crap I just wanted to have economic controll over them because I have so much ethnic groups I couldn't directly or indirectly govern them, and it was theocratic not fascist theirs big difference.
"Troops on the ground or whatever you think is best to force the army and church to stop trying to take more power."

[New Provenance]

Ambassador Sylvia Holmes: "I agree, But wouldn't a non-interference policy just completely nullify this proposal?"

Thies Op Het Mensink: “The main goal of the proposal is that it’s a non-interference policy for a non-member state attacking a member state, not for a member state enveloping another. I don’t believe that nullifies it.”

Ambassador Sylvia Holmes: "Ah, in that case that's wonderful news. Atlantica would be enthusiastic to implement such a proposal as long as a majority of the other member states votes in favor."

[New Provenance]

Ryan Williams:" While my nation's government does not approve of Zarnicovia nova's government over a plethora of issues (including, but not limited to, attempted colonization of Tzatzikistan and threats of nuclear war whilst being a pro-warmongering government with ties to peaceful, democratic alliances, as well as a fascist regime that was the predecessor to the current Jones Admin.) , the CN must not allow for fascist dictatorships and religious cults to rise in political power when a rightfully democratic government is already in place. So, how much aid does Zarnicovia nova require?"

OOC: Holy crap I just wanted to have economic controll over them because I have so much ethnic groups I couldn't directly or indirectly govern them, and it was theocratic not fascist theirs big difference.
"Troops on the ground or whatever you think is best to force the army and church to stop trying to take more power."

Ambassador Sylvia Holmes: "The United States of America and now Atlantica were able to unite a lot of ethnic groups and govern them directly. I'm sure Zarnicovia will be able to do the same as long as its government possesses the will to do so, regardless of the cost. As for Mister Williams's question, we can't "force" the army and the church to stop trying to take more power. Doing so will only inflame the situation and make your government's opponents believe that you are the aggressor here, since you're the one technically escalating by requesting military personnel. I suggest finding a diplomatic solution first; the army and the church wouldn't refuse peace, not that they have a choice, of course."

[Zarnicovia nova]

OOC: Holy crap I just wanted to have economic controll over them because I have so much ethnic groups I couldn't directly or indirectly govern them, and it was theocratic not fascist theirs big difference.
"Troops on the ground or whatever you think is best to force the army and church to stop trying to take more power."

Ambassador Sylvia Holmes: "The United States of America and now Atlantica were able to unite a lot of ethnic groups and govern them directly. I'm sure Zarnicovia will be able to do the same as long as its government possesses the will to do so, regardless of the cost. As for Mister Williams's question, we can't "force" the army and the church to stop trying to take more power. Doing so will only inflame the situation and make your government's opponents believe that you are the aggressor here, since you're the one technically escalating by requesting military personnel. I suggest finding a diplomatic solution first; the army and the church wouldn't refuse peace, not that they have a choice, of course."

"We rule the ethnic groups currently under our nation directly but they're too diverse and too well not liking being under our control plus the bullshit of the army and church makes it so that any attempt to annex new territory directly or indirectly would be basically impossible. The unforchant thing is our government has approved the plan to force the Military into submission so we're going through with that plan."

[Countesia]

Thies Op Het Mensink arrives at the meeting room

Thies Op Het Mensink: “Apologies for the delay, but I was busy drafting a timely proposal. A concord of Mutual Defense, if you will. I call it common courtesy, but mankind doesn’t always act on altruistic instincts.”

He promptly places down a sheet onto the deliberation table.

(Image)
COUNCIL OF NATIONS
Mutual Defense Doctrine
To require all member nations to mutually aid in the defense of another nation

SECTION 1: SHORT NAME
The Mutual Defense Doctrine shall be put as “MDD”

SECTION 2: Brief Summary

I) All nations within the CN shall provide for the mutual defense of their fellow member states.

II) Stipulating that it must be a defensive action and not an offensive one.

III) The state in defense must not aggravate another state through economic or political means, otherwise no members will be required to partake in it’s defense.

IV) The proposal shall create a Tribunal of Justice to decide on whether the the state in defense aggravated the opposing state.

V) Defines aggravation as “a forceful spark of tensions between two party for political or economic reasoning. Predominately with a single party being aggressive to another.”

VI) In political conflict where both sides perpetually aggravate one another, the CN shall take the side of the member state.


SECTION 3: Tribunal of Justice
The Tribunal of Justice shall have one, professionally qualified magistrate from each member state. Defining “Professionally qualified”, as being licensed in their nation of origin, and vetted by the CN representative from each member state. As of the current date, it shall only provide in its sole purpose of the MDD, however if need be, its judiciary power can be extended through democratic means. X Justice shall have no political party, and/or playing to no political part whatsoever within the boundaries of their home nation.

3-2: Eviction/Plausible Punishment
If a member nation has been shown to not aid the nation in defense, they shall be punished accordingly. That being, up to the discretion of the proposed council. Punishments can range from direct eviction to a temporary ban on activity within the CN. The appointed justice from the member nation in question cannot vote on the final decision, considering the fact that it would fall under a Conflict-Of-Interest. If a nation is temporarily banned from activity, their appointed justice will still serve on the council, unless they are further found to be exiled.

We vote for this proposal.

"Countesia is going to abstain. We don't disagree with the proposal, but it would force us to come to the defence of non-democratic nations which goes against our values."

[New Provenance]

Ambassador Sylvia Holmes: "Any other remarks from the other delegations before we move on to tally the vote?"

[Arvenia]

Ambassador Sylvia Holmes: "Any other remarks from the other delegations before we move on to tally the vote?"

General Tomo Aritomo: "Me and my country wholly opposes this proposal. We prefer protecting fully democratic states, not less democratic ones. My country's current government do not wish to support colonization, genocide or other human rights violations."

[The Eurasian Revolution Front]

OOC:Hm../bump-

[American Pere Housh]

Morgana Tsuchigama, a 7 tailed kitsune in her human form, enters the chamber, "Greetings, I am Morgana Tsuchgama and I am here to represent American Pere Housh in the Council of Nations."